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Runner
10-14-2005, 06:17 AM
Here's what I have so far - it's kind of rough.

He said because of additional experience, Pitts is a better player now then when he was previously an LT. He points out several times that Pitts and rest of lines will have a learning curve and we need to patient

Asked if changes for pass protection reasons will effect running games. He says it could, but they hope not. States Brown, Pitts, right tackle all good run blockers.

He stated he was concerned bout o-line coordination, says they are better on paper but they have to see how they play.

He states we can run when we stay at it.

Asked if it was unfair to play Riley at LT. Casserly said some people are just better on either the right or left. Said at left faces more speed rushers. Said they got Riley to be back-up RT but in the spring decided to give him a shot a LT, and then he had a good camp.

Wand's name never brought up.

Fred Weary plays D-line on practice squad because of injuries to d-line, so game simulations may not bethat good.

Says Dre might not play. Says Armstrong plays well whenever he is in, which puts coaches in a dilemma because no one has played bad enough to be benched.

Runner
10-14-2005, 06:20 AM
Two statements that struck me.

Said they got Riley to be back-up RT but in the spring decided to give him a shot a LT

Give him a shot - it looks good on paper

Says Armstrong plays well whenever he is in, which puts coaches in a dilemma because no one has played bad enough to be benched.

Nobody has played bad enough to be benched?

texan279
10-14-2005, 06:21 AM
Says Armstrong plays well whenever he is in, which puts coaches in a dilemma because no one has played bad enough to be benched.

That is one of the most pathetic things I have ever heard from that man's mouth. He's not on the field becuse no one has played bad enough? How about how GOOD Armstrong is when he's on the field? Jeez...

Runner
10-14-2005, 06:22 AM
How about how GOOD Armstrong is when he's on the field? Jeez...


that's what I thought too.

Runner
10-14-2005, 06:27 AM
Still rough:

Q: Matt Murphy - can he be a big pass catcher? How's his health.
A: Rivers ahead of Murphy, somewhat due to injury. Is improving will continue to get better.

Q: Until o-line fixed, will they be primarily blockers?
A: No - except for blitzes they check/release right now. We focus on receivers rather than Tes in passing game because we have Dre.

Q: How good are players' heart
A: No question they have heart and work hard. Need to make some plays to jump start team.

Runner
10-14-2005, 06:34 AM
Q: Will one win reestablish confidence?
A: It's not as simple as that, but it can make a difference. It's not that the players have lost confidence in themselves, but there are levels of confidence.

Q: How does loosing sharper affect moral of defense.
A: No question he did a good job but you had to look at finances and the future. If hadn't signed Greenwood, Sharper would be here this year but not next. Talked about 3-4 ILB learning curve.

Q: Babin's health
A: Not playing, getting better.

Q: At times Bradford looks like speed guy, but consistently wouldn't Armstrong be better - he makes more players?
A: That's part of the equation. That is a good question and a good argument.

Q: Would Mathis being healthy change things?
A: Production is the determining factor. Experience in practice is helping.

Runner
10-14-2005, 06:36 AM
Commercial. I'm glad I never wanted to be a court reporter.

profan
10-14-2005, 06:37 AM
No one's played bad enough to be benched? How about bradfords drops? Again, this organization is not playing the best players, bradford was bad enough to cut, and no one picked him up, but he's not bad enough to be benched. Man, i'm beginning to think cass. is right up there with the coaching staff and this is not good.

Runner
10-14-2005, 06:39 AM
No one's played bad enough to be benched? How about bradfords drops? Again, this organization is not playing the best players, bradford was bad enough to cut, and no one picked him up, but he's not bad enough to be benched. Man, i'm beginning to think cass. is right up there with the coaching staff and this is not good.

It might be the corporate line or if he just doesn't want to disagree with the coaches in the press. I don't know.

Runner
10-14-2005, 06:42 AM
He's been giving much more detailed answers than I'm transcribing. I'm trying to hit the high points.

Runner
10-14-2005, 06:50 AM
He was asked questions about the Vikings situation and the Super Bowl bid. I didn't really listen to the answers. I'm on hold to ask the Wand question. I doubt I'll get in before the end of the show.

Runner
10-14-2005, 06:59 AM
He was asked questions about the Vikings situation and the Super Bowl bid. I didn't really listen to the answers. I'm on hold to ask the Wand question. I doubt I'll get in before the end of the show.

I didn't get through. Show's over.

JfromthaTray
10-14-2005, 07:16 AM
I know the show's over, but you are right, its not professional to disagree with the staff and bad mouth players to the media. They say that Cass did a good job in Washington, but for the exception of a few, either his eye for talent has diminished, or the players he's drafting don't fit in with what Dom wants to do.

Tayton
10-14-2005, 07:19 AM
Corey Bradford 7 catches 92 yards 4 games. Not bad enough for you, Charlie.
PLAY ARMSTRONG!!!!!!

JfromthaTray
10-14-2005, 07:27 AM
I'll bet his number of drops is even more impressive.

Runner
10-14-2005, 07:27 AM
Corey Bradford 7 catches 92 yards 4 games. Not bad enough for you, Charlie.
PLAY ARMSTRONG!!!!!!

It seems so simple from the sidelines - put in the people who make plays now, not those with the potential to make a few big plays, or those who used to make plays but can't any more. It certainly doesn't take Napier's Bones to figure that out!

I'll take Armstrong's catches for a few extra first downs if the other choice is Bradford's rare long catch.

eriadoc
10-14-2005, 07:30 AM
Says Armstrong plays well whenever he is in, which puts coaches in a dilemma because no one has played bad enough to be benched.

No one's played bad enough to be benched? How about bradfords drops?

I'll bet his (Bradford) number of drops is even more impressive.

I can actually almost see where he's coming from here. To be honest, what determines if a WR is playing poorly? Catches and route running, for the most part. A little blocking, but mostly the receiving aspects. We don't have much information on route running, but when it comes to drops, it's pretty easy to see when a receiver has a ball hit him right in the hands and he drops it. Andre Johnson leads this team in drops right now. If you mix in the last two preseason games, just for performance measurement, it's not even close. I am not a Bradford fan, but he played a pretty decent game last week. Even the play in the end zone that he didn't come up with wasn't classified as a drop. Nor should it have been. He laid out for it, caught it with one hand, pulled it in, and knocked it out of his first hand with his second. That was frustrating, but to be honest, he made a great effort on the ball.

So who do you bench from the WR corps? Since AJ is injured, I say just start Gaffney (our most productive receiver to date) and rotate the other three in. They're definitely not giving enough opportunity to Armstrong.

bckey
10-14-2005, 07:30 AM
Appreciate the post runner.

I don't believe for a minute that they signed Riley to be a back up rt. They got him to play lt and it backfired. Wand did better than this guy. It seems like they don't even consider playing Wand anymore for some reason. At least Wand has an upside. (I can't believe I'm defending Wand)

Armstrong should be starting instead of Bradford. He makes plays and gets open despite lacking speed. Bradford drops way too many balls and shouldn't even be on the team.

At this point I think we should put Wand, Pitts, McKinny, Wiegert, Wade out there and take our lumps. Same line as last year but at least with some upside on the leftside. Pitts is probably the best option at LT but he will be right back at lg next year if we draft a stud lt next year. Why not just let Pitts keep learning the position we know he will be playing here long term?

beerlover
10-14-2005, 07:38 AM
has anyone seen Donovan Morgan from the practice squad play? if my #1 WR is down then I'd call up my #1 practice squad WR because if you lose one more during the game then you may need to call on him to actually get some pt. then re-evaulate the WR corps when AJ comes back to see who should be in the rotation :)

JfromthaTray
10-14-2005, 07:38 AM
I agree and even said the same thing about pitts. I disagree wit the Wand issue. I don't think wand is strong enough to play LT even though he has the stature. Look at this guy's arms. It makes me wonder if he even spends time in the weight room. I'm willing to bet that he can't bench 500lbs. Before you say something, no I can't, but when I played HSFB at JY, we had 9 or 10 guys benching that much and a couple were in the 11th grade. Start Armstrong, Wade run block yes pass block no, but I think he can play better.

Runner
10-14-2005, 07:51 AM
I agree and even said the same thing about pitts. I disagree wit the Wand issue. I don't think wand is strong enough to play LT even though he has the stature. Look at this guy's arms. It makes me wonder if he even spends time in the weight room. I'm willing to bet that he can't bench 500lbs. Before you say something, no I can't, but when I played HSFB at JY, we had 9 or 10 guys benching that much and a couple were in the 11th grade. Start Armstrong, Wade run block yes pass block no, but I think he can play better.

This a good example of coaching from looking at paper rather than looking at play. Wand's performance last year was better than Riley's and Wade's this year. On field performance should count for something, right?

Wand spent so much time in the weight room last pre-season that (according to Capers) Capers said he had to kick him out so he wouldn't hurt himself, so throw out that assumption

Just because you looked at his arms and make an assumption doesn't make it true. I don't know how much Wand can press, nor Riley, and I don't think a raw bench press number means much anyway. However, I bet Wand still has his strength after 3 quarters of football, while Riley can't do more than shuffle his feet in the 4th quarter.

I'll reconsider my opinion if we get into a weight lifting contest, but right now I'd settle for improved pass blocking.

beerlover
10-14-2005, 07:57 AM
At this point I think we should put Wand, Pitts, McKinny, Wiegert, Wade out there and take our lumps. Same line as last year but at least with some upside on the leftside. Pitts is probably the best option at LT but he will be right back at lg next year if we draft a stud lt next year. Why not just let Pitts keep learning the position we know he will be playing here long term?

its clear that Wand has not endeared himself to Pendry, so as of now he is just taking up a roster spot (even though I agree with you). Pitts has the footwork, hand punch & now the experience to be effective at LT, therefore he is the best choice at the position. after that McKinney should remain @ center, Weigert RG & Wade RT. the big question is LG with moving Pitts to tackle? I would remove Reily from the starting line-up at any position and insert Milford Brown to play LG. so here is my Texans O-Line-

Chester Pitts-LT Milford Brown-LG Steve McKinney-C Zach Weigert-RG Todd Wade-RT

Vinny
10-14-2005, 08:01 AM
Says Armstrong plays well whenever he is in, which puts coaches in a dilemma because no one has played bad enough to be benched.

Nobody has played bad enough to be benched?This means when they break down film there are guys open but Carr hasn't gotten them the ball.

JfromthaTray
10-14-2005, 08:01 AM
First of all, I'm no riley fan, Pitts is the best LT on the team. I watched as wand got pushed around the field last year and BTW if he's that much better than Riley, why did Riley beat him out and TAKE HIS STARTING JOB FROM HIM IN CAMP. Did you forget about that. It takes strength to keep from getting bull rushed as Wand did many times last year, which no doubt, contributed to HIM LOOSING HIS STARTING JOB TO RILEY. You are wasting my time.

Runner
10-14-2005, 08:03 AM
its clear that Wand has not endeared himself to Pendry, so as of now he is just taking up a roster spot (even though I agree with you). Pitts has the footwork, hand punch & now the experience to be effective at LT, therefore he is the best choice at the position. after that McKinney should remain @ center, Weigert RG & Wade RT. the big question is LG with moving Pitts to tackle? I would remove Reily from the starting line-up at any position and insert Milford Brown to play LG. so here is my Texans O-Line-

Chester Pitts-LT Milford Brown-LG Steve McKinney-C Zach Weigert-RG Todd Wade-RT

That's looks as good as it's going to get until Pendry gets over his problem with Wand. (I think you're right that that's the problem). However, they still may be putting Riley ahead of Wade. Maybe they should each play a half or platoon. Riley is just too exhausted after more than half a game.

beerlover
10-14-2005, 08:09 AM
That's looks as good as it's going to get until Pendry gets over his problem with Wand. (I think you're right that that's the problem). However, they still may be putting Riley ahead of Wade. Maybe they should each play a half or platoon. Riley is just too exhausted after more than half a game.

I'm glad we could solve this enigma, now could someone please forward to the Texans GM & Coaching staff :cool:

Texans Horror
10-14-2005, 08:10 AM
Look at this guy's arms. It makes me wonder if he even spends time in the weight room. I'm willing to bet that he can't bench 500lbs. Before you say something, no I can't, but when I played HSFB at JY, we had 9 or 10 guys benching that much and a couple were in the 11th grade.

I am baffled by "look at this guy's arms." Wand is massive. A leviathon. A behemoth. After all, he's a lineman. It comes with the territory. But if you want to compare pictures, check out that sagging gut of Riley's. I'll take Wand's "tiny" arms over Riley's bulging gut-check any day.

BTW - I'm just curious. How many of your high school buddies play for the NFL?

bckey
10-14-2005, 08:12 AM
This means when they break down film there are guys open but Carr hasn't gotten them the ball.


I hadn't thought of it from that angle.

Vinny, what is your opinion on next years draft if we end up with the first pick. I understand it is way early but would you take Leinart or trade back a few spots and get a stud LT along with some extra picks. I'm asking because this is Carr's option year and by season end it may/may not show Carr to be a problem. If Carr looks no better than he does right now would he be worth keeping and if not could the Texans fo have enough balls to let him walk? If Carr did walk would we receive any compensation? Lastly, what is the deadline for the Texans on Carr's $8 million option?

Vinny
10-14-2005, 08:17 AM
I hadn't thought of it from that angle.

Vinny, what is your opinion on next years draft if we end up with the first pick. I understand it is way early but would you take Leinart or trade back a few spots and get a stud LT along with some extra picks. I'm asking because this is Carr's option year and by season end it may/may not show Carr to be a problem. If Carr looks no better than he does right now would he be worth keeping and if not could the Texans fo have enough balls to let him walk? If Carr did walk would we receive any compensation? Lastly, what is the deadline for the Texans on Carr's $8 million option? First thing I would do is blow this whole organization up and bring in someone to replace Casserly. Let them bring in a new coach and then I'd try to trade down a few spots (assuming we pick at the top) and take a LT. I'd try to sign Carr to a much smaller contract and if he doesn't agree I'd pursue a veteran because Carr's days as a "franchise QB" are over. He is just another guy now so paying him franchise money would be a huge mistake (I'd bring in another Vet to push him if we do resign him as well). I think I have read that we have to kick in his contract by March...but I'm not clear on that.

JfromthaTray
10-14-2005, 08:20 AM
I am baffled by "look at this guy's arms." Wand is massive. A leviathon. A behemoth. After all, he's a lineman. It comes with the territory. But if you want to compare pictures, check out that sagging gut of Riley's. I'll take Wand's "tiny" arms over Riley's bulging gut-check any day.

BTW - I'm just curious. How many of your high school buddies play for the NFL?
They are long and lack muscle, I'm baffeled by what you see. If you read everything, I acknowledged the fact that the guy was not lacking the stature of a lineman, I question his upper body strength. Again Pitts is the best LT on the team and I'm no riley fan. But the fact still remains that RILEY BEAT OUT WAND IN CAMP AND TOOK HIS STARTING JOB FROM HIM. Don't blame me for pointing out that the guy lacks upper body strength. The coaches saw it too because and they saw something better in Riley BEAT WAND IN CAMP AND TOOK HIS STARTING JOB.

Runner
10-14-2005, 08:22 AM
First of all, I'm no riley fan, Pitts is the best LT on the team. I watched as wand got pushed around the field last year and BTW if he's that much better than Riley, why did Riley beat him out and TAKE HIS STARTING JOB FROM HIM IN CAMP. Did you forget about that. It takes strength to keep from getting bull rushed as Wand did many times last year, which no doubt, contributed to HIM LOOSING HIS STARTING JOB TO RILEY. You are wasting my time.

Wow. Um.....well said. You might be taken more seriously without the outrage that you've been disagreed with though.

I didn't forget the coaches decision to start Riley. I also didn't realize the coaching staff had made all the right decisions all year.

Let's see - Wand 12.5 sacks last year. Riley on pace for 26. Wade on pace for 20. Far less penalties by Wand. They haven't faced Freeney yet. If I didn't know the coaches were infallible, I would have considered they may have made a mistake. Then I'd consider if a mistake by the coaches makes Wand a worse player in reality. But that's just me.

SESupergenius
10-14-2005, 08:24 AM
This means when they break down film there are guys open but Carr hasn't gotten them the ball.
This means when they break down the film the oline isn't doing its job to allow Carr time to let the play develop, much less find Armstrong, usually the 3rd or 4th option Hence the shuffle on the oline.

Honoring Earl 34
10-14-2005, 08:27 AM
:texflag: It seems the Texans like Ashley Simpson types . She can't sing or perform but she looks good . Play Janis Joplin she was'nt pretty or glamorous but she could perform .

I wonder what Wands body fat % is . He looks like he's built like one of the Utah Jazz's back up centers .

Runner
10-14-2005, 08:28 AM
:texflag: It seems the Texans like Ashley Simpson types . She can't sing or perform but she looks good . Play Janis Joplin she was'nt pretty or glamorous but she could perform .

I wonder what Wands body fat % is . He looks like he's built like one of the Utah Jazz's back up centers .


Watch it - you're going to get yelled at too.

JfromthaTray
10-14-2005, 08:31 AM
Well let me calm down. Your opinion is yours and my opinion is mine, you are not wrong and I am not right, thats what this forum is for opinions. I understand that very well. It will always offend me when I'm accused of being a stat boy. Stats don't always tell the whole story. I base my opinions on what I see in the game on the field. How many of those sacks were Carr's fault for holding the ball too long or running out of bounds behind the LOS. I'll say it again, Pitts is the best LT on the team.... In my opinion.

eriadoc
10-14-2005, 08:34 AM
This means when they break down film there are guys open but Carr hasn't gotten them the ball.

I forgot to mention that, but it doesn't excuse the drops by AJ and Bradford.

Runner
10-14-2005, 08:36 AM
Well let me calm down. Your opinion is yours and my opinion is mine, you are not wrong and I am not right, thats what this forum is for opinions. I understand that very well. It will always offend me when I'm accused of being a stat boy. Stats don't always tell the whole story. I base my opinions on what I see in the game on the field. How many of those sacks were Carr's fault for holding the ball too long or running out of bounds behind the LOS. I'll say it again, Pitts is the best LT on the team.... In my opinion.

That opinion is shared by a lot of people; I'm in the minority there.

Another question from a team play perspective is this:

Even if Pitts is a better LT than Wand, would a left side of Wand/Pitts be stronger than Pitts/McKinney or Pitts/Brown?

What do you think?

JfromthaTray
10-14-2005, 08:44 AM
I'm just not sold on Wand at LT. If you put Pitts at LT and Wand at LG, maybe. But then you still have a problem at center. Mckinney is terrible. Washington at C and let Weigert make the line calls since he's the only one the coaches are confident in.

Runner
10-14-2005, 08:50 AM
I'm just not sold on Wand at LT. If you put Pitts at LT and Wand at LG, maybe. But then you still have a problem at center. Mckinney is terrible. Washington at C and let Weigert make the line calls since he's the only one the coaches are confident in.

Right. It almost comes down to a question if Wand is a better LT than our back-ups at guard or center. Opinions differ.

As I've stated before, even putting Orlando Pace at LT and leaving the rest of the line the same would solve a few of our problems, but wouldn't make our line a juggernaut by any means. The o-line is a unit.

Honoring Earl 34
10-14-2005, 08:51 AM
:texflag: It seems Pitts is the best LT . It seems the Texans drafted him as the LG and by God thats where he is playing . If say we did draft D'Brick would not Pitts be a good RT.

Either the coaching staff was dealt a sorry hand (Casserly) or they can't coach . The Texans have brought in through the draft or free agengcy about 10 guys surely their not all bust . ( Capers)

Capers + Casserly = 0

JfromthaTray
10-14-2005, 08:58 AM
My only question about D'Brick is if he's that good to make an immediate impact as a rookie. I don't have the patience to wait 2 or 3 years for him to develope. I like Bush with the#1 pick and through free agency get some talent in here to help him. Not knocking DD, I say we put them on the field at the same time like Auburn did with Brown and Williams and Miami is doing with Brown and Williams(Ricky).

Texans Horror
10-14-2005, 09:00 AM
Wand, Pitts, Hodgon, Wade, Weigert

Doesn't take care of the right side the way I wished it would, but it at least anchors the left and the center. The only certainty for me is Pitts at LG. I don't like Wade or Weigert on the right, but I don't think Riley or Weary would be an improvement. I'm willing to take a risk on Hodgon, though.

Vinny
10-14-2005, 09:00 AM
My only question about D'Brick is if he's that good to make an immediate impact as a rookie. I don't have the patience to wait 2 or 3 years for him to develope.Whats the alternative? Teams don't let Franchise Tackles go into Free Agency.

JfromthaTray
10-14-2005, 09:10 AM
All I have are questions, no answers, like everyone else. I'd just hate to see a playmaker like Bush go elsewhere if we have a shot at him. I also understand that offensive playmakers need a halfway decent line to allow him to make plays. What do we do. IN MY OPINION, we can get solid linemen through free agency or off waivers. I'm talking solid linemen who other teams can't pay due to the cap, not just anl old cast offs. Not saying I'm right, just my opinion, what's yours?

Vinny
10-14-2005, 09:12 AM
IN MY OPINION, we can get solid linemen through free agency or off waivers. I'm talking solid linemen who other teams can't pay due to the cap, not just anl old cast offs. Not saying I'm right, just my opinion, what's yours?That's what led to this mess, and once again...teams don't let Franchise LT's go into FA. McKinney, Weigert, Wade Washington and Riley are what you got out of Free Agency....I already stated that I would draft linemen...I did it last year in the mock draft here as well..

JfromthaTray
10-14-2005, 09:17 AM
Good point, where does that leave us rebuilding the entire line through the draft? If we draft Brick, that only teams him up with the same players we have now less one LT. I haven't paid much attention to Weigert in all of this. Is his play consistant(not poor) or is he just as bad as the rest of the OL?

Vinny
10-14-2005, 09:19 AM
Good point, where does that leave us rebuilding the entire line through the draft? If we draft Brick, that only teams him up with the same players we have now less one LT. I haven't paid much attention to Weigert in all of this. Is his play consistant(not poor) or is he just as bad as the rest of the OL?You can only patch one hole at a time. Teams can win with average QB's and dominant lines. It's much harder to win with great skill guys and no line. Weigert isn't the problem on this line.

ATX_Texan
10-14-2005, 09:20 AM
First thing I would do is blow this whole organization up and bring in someone to replace Casserly. Let them bring in a new coach and then I'd try to trade down a few spots (assuming we pick at the top) and take a LT. I'd try to sign Carr to a much smaller contract and if he doesn't agree I'd pursue a veteran because Carr's days as a "franchise QB" are over. He is just another guy now so paying him franchise money would be a huge mistake (I'd bring in another Vet to push him if we do resign him as well). I think I have read that we have to kick in his contract by March...but I'm not clear on that.

I am in total agreement with this plan. I think the remainder of this season should be spent doing experiments like what we are seeing with the shuffling of the offense line. We have all seen what Casserly, Capers, Fangio working together have created - a horrible mess. Firing Palmer revealed that the problems lie much deeper. With the lame duck coaching staff, we need to start evaluating who stays and who goes. I know no one wants to face the fact that rebuilding needs to begin again, but that is the reality.

Runner
10-14-2005, 09:21 AM
Well guys - there will be no quick fix. It is the rare college LT that can come in and be consistently very good as a rookie. It may be a little easier for other o-line positions, but we're looking at a two year plan here.

Coach C.
10-14-2005, 09:22 AM
Vin you are right on target buddy. I think Cass will be smart and take a top LT hopefully Winston who is playing much better than Ferguson right now. And then maybe steal a guy like Withworth or damn forgot the centers name. But look for us to take three lineman in the draft and then a qb, rb, wr, and lb.

Vinny
10-14-2005, 09:25 AM
With the lame duck coaching staff, we need to start evaluating who stays and who goes. I know no one wants to face the fact that rebuilding needs to begin again, but that is the reality.If I was McNair I would have some independent scouts and talent evaluators on the side studying game film to grade the talent on the roster as the year wears on...I don't trust this current FEMA-like group of football experts to make a seriously honest, credible analysis.

JfromthaTray
10-14-2005, 09:25 AM
We saw in year 1 what happens when you start too many rookies on the OL. Can Carr survive another year like that, better yet, will he survive this year. Bush still gets my vote for the #1 pick and there is no way we can duplicate the results that we've had on the free agent market. I hope.

Runner
10-14-2005, 09:27 AM
If I was McNair I would have some independent scouts and talent evaluators on the side studying game film to grade the talent on the roster as the year wears on...I don't trust this current FEMA-like group of football experts to make a seriously honest, credible analysis.

Darn straight.

Vinny
10-14-2005, 09:29 AM
We saw in year 1 what happens when you start too many rookies on the OL. Can Carr survive another year like that, better yet, will he survive this year. Bush still gets my vote for the #1 pick and there is no way we can duplicate the results that we've had on the free agent market. I hope.We were only an expansion team once. We won't have to play multiple rookies....we should sign one FA starting Guard (and or Center) and draft a franchise quality LT. The rest of the guys should be alright to fill in around them....oh yeah, and cut Steve McKinney and his $4,706,160 cap number next year. He is seriously over paid.

Honoring Earl 34
10-14-2005, 09:30 AM
:texflag: I think all great teams have great line play . The old Redskins with the Hogs won 3 super bowls with 3 different QBs . Their Dline Had Charles Grant , ? , Dave Butts and Manley .

I guess CC tried to go that route with Boselli and Young it just did'nt pan out .

beerlover
10-14-2005, 09:31 AM
If I was McNair I would have some independent scouts and talent evaluators on the side studying game film to grade the talent on the roster as the year wears on...I don't trust this current FEMA-like group of football experts to make a seriously honest, credible analysis.

how about a select few of us right here on this board? it would be nice to have their access to the athletes/agents, but even without all that we should be able to do a better job and pigs do :pigfly:

Exascor
10-14-2005, 09:32 AM
cut Steve McKinney and his $4,706,160 cap number next year. He is seriously over paid.R U Carr A Z? What about the Inside Skinny? No way could the Houston airwaves survive without it!

Vinny
10-14-2005, 09:34 AM
The Carr - McKinney QB/Center tandem has a $12 million dollar cap hit next year assuming the team picks up Carr's deal. That's mindboggling for the level of player they turned out to be.

MojoX
10-14-2005, 09:34 AM
Good point, where does that leave us rebuilding the entire line through the draft? If we draft Brick, that only teams him up with the same players we have now less one LT. I haven't paid much attention to Weigert in all of this. Is his play consistant(not poor) or is he just as bad as the rest of the OL?
With Brick/Winston/McNeill at LT, Pitts can hold down the LG spot. That has the potential to be an All-Pro left side. The team seems to be fine as far as RG and RT prospects go. Weigert/Brown combo should suffice for now. As for RT, Wade/Riley/Wand should be passable until the next draft. That just leaves them looking for a real C to hold down the middle and coordinate the line. And with 2 thirds and a second plus anything they get from a potential trade down from 1, the team can bring in another C to develop and compete with Hodgdon. This is the year to fix the oline problems.

I believe the talent is there at the skill positions. With a top-notch oline, DD, AJ and the other receivers Carr (or whoever replaces him) should have a field day.

JfromthaTray
10-14-2005, 09:34 AM
If we cut Mckinney, the people at 610am radio will have a fit, not to mention B. Allen, although lately he has been asking a bit tougher questions. Cut the poster child for the local media, 1 year too late. I'd have cut him this year.

beerlover
10-14-2005, 09:40 AM
Vin you are right on target buddy. I think Cass will be smart and take a top LT hopefully Winston who is playing much better than Ferguson right now. And then maybe steal a guy like Withworth or damn forgot the centers name. But look for us to take three lineman in the draft and then a qb, rb, wr, and lb.

Winston is playing with better lateral movemnet, while Ferguson is not playing at all because he is hurt.

Whitworth will be a starter, maybe not LT but a solid SB quality guard ala the Patriots, smart, good mechanics, excellent work ethic & character.

There are two really good Centers led by Minnesota Greg Eslinger. Nick Mangold of Ohio State should still be there for the taking in the 2nd rd.

Vinny
10-14-2005, 09:41 AM
With Brick/Winston/McNeill at LT, Pitts can hold down the LG spot. That has the potential to be an All-Pro left side. The team seems to be fine as far as RG and RT prospects go. Weigert/Brown combo should suffice for now. As for RT, Wade/Riley/Wand should be passable until the next draft. That just leaves them looking for a real C to hold down the middle and coordinate the line. And with 2 thirds and a second plus anything they get from a potential trade down from 1, the team can bring in another C to develop and compete with Hodgdon. This is the year to fix the oline problems.

I believe the talent is there at the skill positions. With a top-notch oline, DD, AJ and the other receivers Carr (or whoever replaces him) should have a field day.I'd like to see a new LT, move Pitts to RT (he still has the best feet for the edge on the line), move Wade to RG to battle Weigert, find a FA Center (how about LeCharles Bentley), and let the rest of the guys battle it out for LG.

Honoring Earl 34
10-14-2005, 09:46 AM
:texflag: I think you could draft D'brick and Winston ... and still have problems with our current staff .

JfromthaTray
10-14-2005, 09:48 AM
Say we draft Brick or Mckinney(The U) to play LT. Pitts at RT, the coaches think Weigert is OK at RG. How about Wade at LG and say Bentley at C. Or is there some flaw in Wade's game that would prevent him from playing LG.

Vinny
10-14-2005, 09:50 AM
Say we draft Brick or Mckinney(The U) to play LT. Pitts at RT, the coaches think Weigert is OK at RG. How about Wade at LG and say Bentley at C. Or is there some flaw in Wade's game that would prevent him from playing LG.All I know about Wade is he can run block like crazy...but he is a pathetic pass blocker because he isn't athletic enough. Victor Riley is more athletic than him...he's just a big stiff Herman Munster like guy who cant move his feet well laterally and doesn't get good knee bend.

Texans Horror
10-14-2005, 10:00 AM
If we cut Mckinney, the people at 610am radio will have a fit, not to mention B. Allen, although lately he has been asking a bit tougher questions. Cut the poster child for the local media, 1 year too late. I'd have cut him this year.

I have never understood the fascination with McKinney. Must be his rhino tattoo.

JfromthaTray
10-14-2005, 10:05 AM
They released Glenn, so I don't think it has anything to do with him being a homer. May have somthin to do with the huntin -n- fishin.

Ibar_Harry
10-14-2005, 10:19 AM
The Carr - McKinney QB/Center tandem has a $12 million dollar cap hit next year assuming the team picks up Carr's deal. That's mindboggling for the level of player they turned out to be.

Vinny I disagree with you on Carr until the O-line is fixed, but I will point out something I picked up on the other day and mentioned in another thread and that is they have no one but McKinney to call blocking assignments for the O-line. That appears to be the stumbling block on McKinney. I can't believe that's true, but that appears to be the case. Why aren't they grooming someone else to do that. Seems like a lot of job security to me......

aj.
10-14-2005, 10:21 AM
I have a sneaky feeling that Armstrong will get plenty of reps next year, after they let Gaffney go UFA. Drew will get stupid during negotiations and I have heard nothing about them extending Gaff.

Gaff and Armstrong are basically the same receiver and one will be 1/4 the cost of the other

Ibar_Harry
10-14-2005, 10:36 AM
I have a sneaky feeling that Armstrong will get plenty of reps next year, after they let Gaffney go UFA. Drew will get stupid during negotiations and I have heard nothing about them extending Gaff.

Gaff and Armstrong are basically the same receiver and one will be 1/4 the cost of the other

We let go of 3 WR's in TC who are better than Bradford. That was a coaching decision. I can bet that AJ will want to go somewhere else the way its shaping up here. He has talent, but he's not really being coached well here. Like Carr he is regressing. His hands have always been in question and its showing up once again this year.

Honoring Earl 34
10-14-2005, 10:50 AM
:texflag: We have let go alot of players . The good news is you can still watch them on the tube . They landed on their feet and are playing well .

I guess we have never defined what a Houston Texan player is . The good teams will draft a guy and plug him in and voila its agood fit . We get a player and it seems he regresses .

Robaire was a DT who was switched to a 3-4 end and I think he's coming around . We have let a couple of LBs go who could clearly start for us ... one could 'nt get on the field but I think he went to the Pro-Bowl for San Diego .

Ibar_Harry
10-14-2005, 10:55 AM
:texflag: We have let go alot of players . The good news is you can still watch them on the tube . They landed on their feet and are playing well .

I guess we have never defined what a Houston Texan player is . The good teams will draft a guy and plug him in and voila its agood fit . We get a player and it seems he regresses .

Robaire was a DT who was switched to a 3-4 end and I think he's coming around . We have let a couple of LBs go who could clearly start for us ... one could 'nt get on the field but I think he went to the Pro-Bowl for San Diego .

That's not the GM's fault...........................

powda
10-14-2005, 11:04 AM
If I was McNair I would have some independent scouts and talent evaluators on the side studying game film to grade the talent on the roster as the year wears on...I don't trust this current FEMA-like group of football experts to make a seriously honest, credible analysis.


i made a post about that a couple of days ago actually...

"outside consultants" to get a diffrent perspective on our players-coaches-and to reevaluate our gm...plus then we at least have a place to start when evaluating college talent if casserly gets fired.

i think carr being benched in the next couple of games may be an indicator mcnair has decided to keep casserly.

i think mcnair would also be wise to have a "spy" or 2 on the next coaching staff. a deepthroat sort with no worries on speaking the truth to mcnair behind closed doors.

its been my employement experience that sometimes people at the "grunt level" have the best insight on whats wrong...they just dont have the authority to change it.

Hervoyel
10-14-2005, 11:06 AM
I'll take Armstrong's catches for a few extra first downs if the other choice is Bradford's rare long catch.


That's completely right. Bradford, for all the grief he takes out on these boards is not a bad receiver BUT you have to know how to use him. To begin with Bradford is never going to be a consistent starter for you. He wants to be and he tries to be but it's not going to happen. If it was going to happen it would have by now.

What you do is keep Bradford coming off the bench and trying to earn that starting spot. He's at his best when the defense hasn't seen him for most of the day and he's trying to prove that he can be your #2. Then he comes in while your #2 is taking a breather and rips off that one long TD.

Starting him is just not a good idea. Armstrong, Gaffney, maybe even Mathis (we just don't know enough about him yet) are your potential #2's.

Vinny
10-14-2005, 11:07 AM
i think carr being benched in the next couple of games may be an indicator mcnair has decided to keep casserly.I don't understand why this would be favorable to Casserly. He is the guy who picked him.

nunusguy
10-14-2005, 11:09 AM
Out of frustration about any specifics about Wand in Chronical coverage
lately during the OL shakeup, I E-mailed Chron writer M.Manfull to ask her what Wand's current status is. She said, and of course I'm paraphrasing here,
that Wand is still with the team, at practice, etc. but the Texans feel that Wand, while a good run blocker, lacked the athleticism and mobility to handle the speed rushers in pass protection. She did add that he is still young with time to learn.
Anyway, shows how little I know, because I've always been under the impression that Wand's strong suite was pass blocking and not run blocking and also that he was relatively athletic with quick feet.

Ibar_Harry
10-14-2005, 11:12 AM
Out of frustration about any specifics about Wand in Chronical coverage
lately during the OL shakeup, I E-mailed Chron writer M.Manfull to ask her what Wand's current status is. She said, and of course I'm paraphrasing here,
that Wand is still with the team, at practice, etc. but the Texans feel that Wand, while a good run blocker, lacked the athleticism and mobility to handle the speed rushers in pass protection. She did add that he is still young with time to learn.
Anyway, shows how little I know, because I've always been under the impression that Wand's strong suite was pass blocking and not run blocking and also that he was relatively athletic with quick feet.

Mr B. thought so and was tuitoring him before he left. Still think Mr. B didn't become an assistant because he didn't like what was going on.

powda
10-14-2005, 11:12 AM
I don't understand why this would be favorable to Casserly. He is the guy who picked him.

better to eat crow for 3/4 of a season then loose any chance of salvaging your "franchise qb". my feeling on it is the longer carr is in there with this line the more you jeopardize his chance of ever reaching his potential.

if mcnair decides to keep casserly i think casserly lays down the law. casserly would still consider carr a longterm part of the team...why let a shortterm coaching staff ruin him anymore then they already have?

Vinny
10-14-2005, 11:13 AM
Anyway, shows how little I know, because I've always been under the impression that Wand's strong suite was pass blocking and not run blocking and also that he was relatively athletic with quick feet.You have had that backwards then. Wand's strength has been his run blocking, not his pass protection.

ComstockLode
10-14-2005, 11:20 AM
Why didnt anyone ask him if our oline is so good, then why would none of them start at any other team in the league?

What a joke, clean house including casserly after this season.

Give me a coach and or GM who has the attitude of van gundy. Never satisfied, and not pumping out excuses for failure.

Tell it how it is, we are the worst team in the NFL and the team needs to get their asses into gear.

powda
10-14-2005, 11:25 AM
Give me a coach and or GM who has the attitude of van gundy. Never satisfied, and not pumping out excuses for failure.

Tell it how it is, we are the worst team in the NFL and the team needs to get their asses into gear.


van gundy is a refreshing sports personality. he dosent always say pc things and sometimes he comes across as a
cry baby...but he tells you what he genuienly feels minus the cliches.

nunusguy
10-14-2005, 11:36 AM
I'd like to see a new LT, move Pitts to RT (he still has the best feet for the edge on the line)
Yea, we put our best tackle on the left side and 2nd best on the right side, not one of them at LG. But I guess its taken them a season plus to realize that Chester is the best tackle on the team right now and next year if they draft that stud tackle, I hope they don't forget again that Pitts is still one of the 2 best tackles on the team and move him back to guard.

Runner
10-14-2005, 11:41 AM
Out of frustration about any specifics about Wand in Chronical coverage
lately during the OL shakeup, I E-mailed Chron writer M.Manfull to ask her what Wand's current status is. She said, and of course I'm paraphrasing here,
that Wand is still with the team, at practice, etc. but the Texans feel that Wand, while a good run blocker, lacked the athleticism and mobility to handle the speed rushers in pass protection. She did add that he is still young with time to learn.
Anyway, shows how little I know, because I've always been under the impression that Wand's strong suite was pass blocking and not run blocking and also that he was relatively athletic with quick feet.

Well, Pitts has Freeney in 2 weeks to show how it's done against the premier speed rusher in the game. I'm sure glad it's not going to be Riley (and he has superior athleticism???) vs Freeney. I don't know if there is a tackle in the league who can stop him one on one.


Now, to get this thread back to Casserly's interview, he did stress several times that there would be a learning curve for o-line for a while as everybody adjusts to the new positions. That is a pretty clear warning that we fans better be ready for things to get a little worse before they get better.

infantrycak
10-14-2005, 11:43 AM
This means when they break down film there are guys open but Carr hasn't gotten them the ball.

Well true, could be, but as we have talked about, at least I have to wonder if the coaches haven't changed Carr's definition of open. The same 14 game streak you have rightly mentioned shows a marked change in what Carr throws to. I would love to know if the change was Carr or the staff because that really affects decisions for the future.

WWJD
10-14-2005, 11:46 AM
The time to change and improve your team is during the off-season.

I'll see what happens Sunday.

Runner
10-14-2005, 11:48 AM
change and improve

We did one but not the other.

infantrycak
10-14-2005, 11:49 AM
Mr B. thought so and was tuitoring him before he left. Still think Mr. B didn't become an assistant because he didn't like what was going on.

"Mr. B" didn't become an assistant for a couple hundred grand because he has $20 mil in the bank and thinks that is plenty. Same reason he didn't sue the obviously negligent Jax doc who butchered his shoulder and ended his otherwise hall of fame career. But you keep on with the Oliver Stone surmises.

touttail
10-14-2005, 04:54 PM
That is one of the most pathetic things I have ever heard from that man's mouth. He's not on the field becuse no one has played bad enough? How about how GOOD Armstrong is when he's on the field? Jeez...

Agreed-----Agreed----------Agreed
Casserly is just as bad as any politician. always jumping around the issues!

bobby 119C :brickwall