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Exascor
10-12-2005, 06:30 AM
There was a rumor floating that if Mcnair were to replace Capers, he'd want a coach with NFL experience. The name I see tossed out most often is Jimmy Johnson. Some of the fans I really respect are even hoping he is the next Texans HC. I understand the success he had with Dallas. I credit that with a combination of talent evaluation, coaching, luck and trades that just don't exist in the NFL anymore. I'll expand on each.

Talent Evaluation: It's obvious he was able to pick players that fit his system and worked good together. His picks were never the "wow" picks that you see sometimes, but he obviously knows how to pick players that are good football players. He definately had skill for picking players. The question is: Does he still have that? He had a huge amount of resources at the collegiate level. Does he still have enough to still get the job done?

Coaching: From what I've seen, Johnson was a good coach. He was amazing at motivating players. While his offense wasn't "flashy" it was productive and could win games. He had great defenses that did all the things ours has failed at. Turnovers, sacks and disruption of the offense.

Luck: No team has a dynasty without some luck. Their main characters remained injury free. Balls bounce their way... They aslo had a pretty good running back that wore #22. Players like him don't come around in every draft. Sure it took skill to pick him, but luck that he didn't blow out a knee or pull a groin. No way would Johnson have said Smith would end up the all time leading rusher back then. I'd dare to say that the Cowboys would have failed to make it to any Superbowls without him and if they did, the Bills would have creamed them. All speculation but you get the point. Mr Smith had to be contained. That kind of back creates exploitable holes in the defense (see LT & the Chargers) and allow players around them to be that much better.

Trades: Everyone knows of the Walker trade. People (including Johnson) say the trade wasn't important. It was the fact he picked great players with those picks. OK-we've established that Johnson had an eye for talent. Fact: Johnson never won a Superbowl without having those extra picks. Fact: Johnson will never get that kind of a jump ever again. GMs might do foolish things (Babin for a 2,3,4 & swap 5s) but never to the extent of the Walker trade. Johnson himself has bragged how he traded Steve Walsh (a 1st round pick) for a 1st, 2nd & 3rd after only 1 year as a back up. It could happen again but I doubt it.

I have so many questions about Johnson. Would he return to coaching at all? Why did he not succeed in Miami? Would he be better as a HC, GM or both? Would he be able to turn this team around or would it takes a few years before we find out he isn't all that great?

I want to believe that he is the end-all solution to the Texans. I'm hoping someone can convince me to join the "Hire Jimmy Johnson Club". What would be cooler than Johnson leading us to a victory against the Cowboys next season?

Make me a believer!

Huge
10-12-2005, 06:36 AM
As GM, yes.

As coach, no.

edo783
10-12-2005, 07:51 AM
As GM, yes.

As coach, no.

That is something I proposed on another board a couple of days ago. I like JJ for the GM spot and the Kubiac as HC. Could be a real SOLID combo IMO. Beside, JJ doesn't seem interested in coaching anymore.

TexanExile
10-12-2005, 08:10 AM
I've driven by Jimmy's place down in the Florida Keys. Why in the world he'd leave a place like that for the full-time grind of coaching, making money he can probably get (or come close to getting?) on TV, is beyond me. I don't see it.

Furthermore, I don't really want to see it. I won't rehash all the arguments about the advantages he had in making the Cowboys great--it's pointless--but I think he recruited some tremendous college talent and built upon that foundation. He gets a lot of credit for that and he should.

But that was a long time ago, and his "insider" knowledge of college (and pro) talent isn't what it was. His Miami drafts were pretty uninspiring, with the notable exceptions of Zach Thomas, Sam Madison, and Pat Surtain. There are better choices.

Vinny
10-12-2005, 08:14 AM
Fans and media were throwing all kinds of names around when it was obvious Atlanta was going to fire Dan Reeves. Nobody saw Mora on the radar....the same thing probably happens here...we will probably throw out a billion names in the next few months and the actual coach will pop up late in the game.

beerlover
10-12-2005, 08:15 AM
Pete Carrol for GM :texflag:

Kubiac HC :texans:

gcolby
10-12-2005, 08:43 AM
Jimmy Johnson? Excuse me?

Did you not see that train wreck he presided over in Miami at the end of his coaching career? The man had an eye for talent because he was able to draft the players he was familiar with when he was a college coach. Other than Zach Thomas, he did not find many players that were not already on other folks' radar screens. Miami continued a slow downhill decline under Johnson.

I'll pass.

gcolby
10-12-2005, 08:45 AM
Pete Carrol for GM :texflag:

Kubiac HC :texans:

Pete Carroll has a proven track record as 5-star collegiate material, but 0-star NFL material.

(also see: Erickson, Dennis; Jones, June; Ryan, Mike)

Double Barrel
10-12-2005, 08:56 AM
Did you not see that train wreck he presided over in Miami at the end of his coaching career?

You have to remember, though, that the owner was making him play Dan Marino instead of allowing him to rebuild the team. JJ was never in favor of being forced to play someone, so I don't think he should carry all of the blame. He left Dallas because of owner interference, and he probably left Miami for the same reason. He wouldn't have that problem in Houston, because Mr. McNair does not profess to be a football man, but rather a fan that wants to let the experts build him (us) a winning team.

Plus, Johnson has three NFL Championships and an NCAA Championship on his resume (one of only two coaches in history that can brag about having both NFL & NCAA Championships). I simply don't think a bad coach can have that kind of experience. Scoreboard speaks volumes about ability.

Coach Capers, on the other hand, has....uhhhh.... idonno:

Huge
10-12-2005, 09:36 AM
Jimmy Johnson? Excuse me?

Did you not see that train wreck he presided over in Miami at the end of his coaching career? The man had an eye for talent because he was able to draft the players he was familiar with when he was a college coach. Other than Zach Thomas, he did not find many players that were not already on other folks' radar screens. Miami continued a slow downhill decline under Johnson.

I'll pass.
Jason Taylor - 3rd round
Sam Madison - 2nd round
Patrick Surtain - 2nd round

Just to name a few.

Miami's "slow downhill decline" under Johnson consisted of 8-8, 9-7, 10-6, 9-7 seasons (56% winning percentage). Using the talent primarily obtained by Johnson, Wannstedt won 64% of their games the following four seasons. Yeah they eventually dropped off to 4-12 last year (five years removed from Jimmy's days as coach) but good luck convincing me that had anything to do with Jimmy.

Obviously he wasn't able to turn the organization around to championship caliber but he hardly rode it into the ground.

nunusguy
10-12-2005, 09:36 AM
Fans and media were throwing all kinds of names around when it was obvious Atlanta was going to fire Dan Reeves. Nobody saw Mora on the radar....the same thing probably happens here..
I couldn't agree more. There's probably a lot of people who could make an
excellent HC in this league, the trick is to identify them. The reason to
choose Capers was obvious - to head up a brand new X team and that was already on his resume. Not many had that experience. The group McNair will
have to choose from this offseason is for all practical purposes infinetly larger. Many are known, even high profile but others aren't even on the current radar screen.

ojthecat
10-12-2005, 11:58 AM
Plus, Johnson has three NFL Championships and an NCAA Championship on his resume (one of only two coaches in history that can brag about having both NFL & NCAA Championships).

I would love to see Jimmy here but he only has 2 NFL championships.

Switzer has the last one. Hey how about we get Barry Switzer for interem coach till the end of the year. He couldn't do worse.

Double Barrel
10-12-2005, 12:00 PM
^ Yeah, you're right. I spaced off that Switzer technically got that third SuperBowl Championship, but it was definitely with Jimmy's team. Thanks for the correction! :)