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gtexan02
10-11-2005, 11:36 PM
Don't you think Capers is becoming embarassed? I mean, if he ever wants to work in this league again, he better hurry up and resign. Every week he puts this joke he calls coaching out for a live audience he loses more and more credibility. If your approval rating is single digits, its time to reign buddy. Save face and leave town blaming someone else. Please do it for us!

Ibar_Harry
10-11-2005, 11:41 PM
Don't you think Capers is becoming embarassed? I mean, if he ever wants to work in this league again, he better hurry up and resign. Every week he puts this joke he calls coaching out for a live audience he loses more and more credibility. If your approval rating is single digits, its time to reign buddy. Save face and leave town blaming someone else. Please do it for us!

He's probably been told to lay low and try to survive. Probably McNair and Company still don't understand how disgruntled and mad the fans are nor do they really understand the total ineptness of this staff. As some of have said its as much about the loss of respect of the team as it is technique. Nobody believes in the system anymore. You simply can't fix that, but he can't admit it, just as he nevers ever points to himself in the interviews.

Vinny
10-11-2005, 11:41 PM
He isnt going to resign and I think that it is unrealistic to assume he would. The Panters started 0-7 last year and most of the teams in the NFL have started 0-4 at one time or another. I think the fan base is starting to get really ridiculous now.

outofhnd
10-11-2005, 11:42 PM
lol like you can do any better.....

He can't control execution on gameday.....

Our line is aging and out of shape niether tackle appears to be able to last 60 minutes.the guards look off blitzers as if someone else is goin to pick em up and the center is solw getting up and into the defender after the snap.

outofhnd
10-11-2005, 11:44 PM
AMEN Vinny!

There is a simple answer if you are that upset by the texans performances dont watch them on sunday....

gtexan02
10-11-2005, 11:46 PM
Of course I couldn't do better. im also not being paid to be a coach, nor do I have the training or the experience. I also don't recall saying I could do any better. If I see a movie in which the lead actor sucks, I don't think to myself "wow he shouldn't act because I could do better" Anyways, maybe 0-4 isnt bad enough to warrant a resignation, but the panthers were playing hard and getting every player injured. Their 0-7 start was not from lack of talent/coaching/motivation like ours is. Its also not just this year, but everything from the browns game up until now. 5 regular season and 4 preseason disasters

Vinny
10-11-2005, 11:52 PM
Insert any 0-fer team ever to start a season then...just is not gonna happen people. Capers will play this out till he gets canned. If we don't start winning it will be later in this season...if we do start to win here and there I think McNair will let him play out the year then replace him at the end of the season.

outofhnd
10-11-2005, 11:58 PM
Of course one statisitic we have not measured is Capers Butt Kissing ability. Who knows with a little lip movement and ample suction he might stick around :deadhorse

Vinny
10-12-2005, 12:05 AM
Of course one statisitic we have not measured is Capers Butt Kissing ability. Who knows with a little lip movement and ample suction he might stick around :deadhorseOur Football operations resembles FEMA. They can't make a simple decisions such as keeping the roof closed in oppressive heat and they close it on beautiful days as an overreaction....they didn't think about it...they just reacted....much like FEMA would. Heck, our entire offense never watched film together before a few weeks ago. What a clusterblank this is! The FEMA Texans

Ibar_Harry
10-12-2005, 12:10 AM
Our Football operations resembles FEMA. They can't make a simple decisions such as keeping the roof closed in oppressive heat and they close it on beautiful days as an overreaction....they didn't think about it...they just reacted....much like FEMA would. Heck, our entire offense never watched film together before a few weeks ago. What a clusterblank this is! The FEMA Texans

No, that's a result of a very competent football staff headed by Capers. Has something to do with minute detail. Each person on the team is an independent entity unrelated to any other component on the team. Now if they would only execute..................... Oh, I forgot the word together.........

Ibar_Harry
10-12-2005, 12:14 AM
Our Football operations resembles FEMA. They can't make a simple decisions such as keeping the roof closed in oppressive heat and they close it on beautiful days as an overreaction....they didn't think about it...they just reacted....much like FEMA would. Heck, our entire offense never watched film together before a few weeks ago. What a clusterblank this is! The FEMA Texans

Actually, Vinny, now that you know this is the case and knowing what you know about football, how could you continue to support this staff in anyway whatsoever? You seem to call them incompetents on one hand, but defend them on the other hand. What a waste this year is going to be and that's the worst part of this whole fiasco.......

Vinny
10-12-2005, 12:18 AM
Actually, Vinny, now that you know this is the case and knowing what you know about football, how could you continue to support this staff in anyway whatsoever? You seem to call them incompetents on one hand, but defend them on the other hand. What a waste this year is going to be and that's the worst part of this whole fiasco.......I'm not like you Ibar...I watch football because I enjoy the game...I understand that things don't work out sometimes and that Dom Capers is a good man. He just may not be the right guy here....I don't enjoy seeing a decent man struggle and get put down like this....but I will continue to support this team as we make our changes.

outofhnd
10-12-2005, 12:19 AM
The only thing that would make me a proponent of the fire capers movement would be the guarantee that we move to a 4-3 defense. I dislike the 3-4 its to en vogue now so teams game plan around it. the heck with a blitz scheme just bring the house.

Ibar_Harry
10-12-2005, 12:26 AM
I'm not like you Ibar...I watch football because I enjoy the game...I understand that things don't work out sometimes and that Dom Capers is a good man. He just may not be the right guy here....I don't enjoy seeing a decent man struggle and get put down like this....but I will continue to support this team as we make our changes.

Vinny, I understand your point and I would say as many that Capers is a very decent man. However, this has been going on now for two years and this impacts more than just Caper's LIFE. It has had a tremendous impact on the lives of CARR, AJ, DD, BUCHANNON and you could name many more including McNair. This is bigger than the life of one person. He's being put down by a lot of people, because he simply does not recognize it's time to move on. He can't win the battle, but he has been blaming everyone but himself for a long time. He certainly didn't mind firing Palmer. Some think Palmer got a bad break. The hand writing has been on the wall for a long time. His staying is not prolonging his own career, rather he's hurting any future opportunities he might have. He has become the laughing stock of the NFL.

tsip
10-12-2005, 12:32 AM
He isnt going to resign and I think that it is unrealistic to assume he would. The Panters started 0-7 last year and most of the teams in the NFL have started 0-4 at one time or another. I think the fan base is starting to get really ridiculous now.

The Panthers were coming off a Super Bowl year and were decimated by injuries. IMO, the point is that-though the Texans have never won-they at least had a few games where they resembled an NFL team. That is not true now. Also, there is a big difference between Fox and Capers in terms of player motivation and getting the most out of your players.

The Texans are suffering a 'major' fan lash that they fueled by their promise of a 5 yr plan--"...just hang in there and give us time." Most fans bought into this thinking and now they see it all crumbling on the field and-more than ever-these fans know this is not a quick fix. For the fans to rebound back -and they would in a heart beat-all the Texans have to do is win. The fans feel betrayed and that is not something to 'blow off'--sooner or later , the Texans are going to have to deal with getting the fans back...

And,finally, you are absolutely right.Capers will not resign because he does not believe he has done anything wrong. Sure, he's a good man but there are many things that come with his job, including criticism. And, actually, Capers has a big advantage over other managers in other fields--most don't get 3 plus yrs before they're shown the door.

outofhnd
10-12-2005, 12:33 AM
I think the Palmer firing was an ultimatem after repeated meetings between casserly capers and palmer about the o line play.

Vinny
10-12-2005, 12:34 AM
All I can say is I will sit by the tube and watch the game on Sunday night as this season continues to shift, redefine and push it's way to new leadership one loss at a time....you should sit back and watch your main man on National TV...it will be the last time we are there for a while...I'm going to do what us beat-down fans do when tired late at night....gonna go to sleep.

...say goodnight Gracie.

:goodnight

Vinny
10-12-2005, 12:36 AM
Also, there is a big difference between Fox and Capers in terms of player motivation and getting the most out of your players.

Im not comparing Capers to Fox or anyone...just mentioned that every team in the league has started off winless at one time or another.

Time for some sleep for me. laterz

Ibar_Harry
10-12-2005, 12:38 AM
All I can say is I will sit by the tube and watch the game on Sunday night as this season continues to shift, redefine and push it's way to new leadership one loss at a time....you should sit back and watch your main man on National TV...it will be the last time we are there for a while...I'm going to do what us beat-down fans do when tired late at night....gonna go to sleep.

...say goodnight Gracie.

:goodnight

Don't forget to put out your Cigar......

texan279
10-12-2005, 02:31 AM
Capers quitting wouldn't help either side. It would show the rest of the league he is a quitter and that he can't handle it when the going gets tough, thus making it harder than it already will be to find employment again in the NFL. If he quits on us now, in the middle of the season, what do you think that would do to a team that already lacks fire and confidence, to have their "leader" quit on them.

HomeBred_Texan
10-12-2005, 05:18 AM
Insert any 0-fer team ever to start a season then...just is not gonna happen people. Capers will play this out till he gets canned. If we don't start winning it will be later in this season...if we do start to win here and there I think McNair will let him play out the year then replace him at the end of the season.
These are my thoughts exactly..
Who would resign from a million dollar job, certainly not me. You would have to fire me and then escort me off the premises with armed guards to make sure I wasn't hanging around for my paycheck...
Come on fans, get real. Capers will not quit, ever. Would you???

HJam72
10-12-2005, 05:31 AM
Capers quitting wouldn't help either side. It would show the rest of the league he is a quitter and that he can't handle it when the going gets tough, thus making it harder than it already will be to find employment again in the NFL. If he quits on us now, in the middle of the season, what do you think that would do to a team that already lacks fire and confidence, to have their "leader" quit on them.

I think you're onto something here, but it's not that it would actually hurt the Texans (although, he probably thinks it would) as much as is it that Capers knows he would look like a quitter. I'm sure that coaches who quit mid-season without being asked to are going to lose credit with owners throughout the league. Besides that, he probably takes it as a personal challenge to prove the world wrong about him at this point, if he can get the time to do it (like 20 yrs.).

TexanExile
10-12-2005, 05:40 AM
Wannstedt quit in mid-season last year, after going 1-8. Link to story (http://www.nfl.com/teams/story/MIA/7869296)
And it hasn't held him back at all--he's well on his way toward ruining a college team now.

But again, there's a big difference between firing/quitting 9 games in versus 4 games in. NFL franchises rarely let almost a whole season go adrift like that. Dom'll be with us for at least a few more weeks--most likely, through Thanksgiving.

U4ikrob
10-12-2005, 05:45 AM
Honestly you guys keep beating on Dom - but Charlie is just as much to blame - he hired the guy and has made just as many questionable personel decisions in the draft as Dom has. They worked together in tandem for the last almost 5 years to develop this team into what it is today. Honestly IMO the whole staff needs to go outside of maybe Hoke and Marciano as no other coaches or the GM has made enough good or even great decisions to keep their jobs up to this point.

These people are responsible for the product on the field - bottom line. It's time to stop with the excuses and start taking responsability for your choices Dom & Charlie - this is afterall your team.

I think Don Banks @ SI has it on the money
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/writers/don_banks/10/11/week5/1.html

[quotes]
6. How is it that Houston head coach Dom Capers is definitely next on the firing line, but Texans general manager Charley Casserly -- the man who hired him -- continues to have job security? Casserly is said to still have the confidence of Texans owner Bob McNair, but we can't help but wonder why. Look at Casserly's track record. What makes him untouchable? It's been a long time between success stories for the former Redskins general manager.

Houston -- Actually you can't get any lower than the winless Texans, unless the NFL goes to a European soccer league system of dropping its losers down to a lower division. Houston was 0 for 13 on third down.

HJam72
10-12-2005, 05:55 AM
I think Casserly is VERY much to blame as well. However, this team's play-calling is too predictable on both sides of the ball and the players SEEM to have quit on their HC. I also think that you have to try another coach before you go so far as to replace your GM, or at least I don't think McNair would fire his GM without doing that first. When Capers is gone and they still suck, I will gladly join the Fire Casserly crowd and probably be even more loyal to it.

McNair is a rookie owner. We have to give him time to get experienced. It's a 20 yr. plan and THEN he will hire a good GM and HC. Just be patient. Hahahhaahahahaha! :wacko:

Exascor
10-12-2005, 05:57 AM
It (Capers quitting) would definitely help in the sense that it would prove to the players and the fans that we are committed to winning. Capers is not committed, which is the reason for the change. I garauntee a boost in spirits and energythe second Capers is gone.

I believe the sooner we get rid of Capers and Co., the more likely we are not to lose some of our talent. Just think of some of your favorite players...do you want to take a chance on them leaving because they think Capers is going to stick around. It is pretty obvious that the team has given up on Capers, so why not just finish it off?I'm going to have to call bull to that. There's not a coach in sports that's "not committed" to winning. You think he actually enjoys losing? He may not be able to bring this team up to it's potential, his style may be ineffective, he may be incapable of changing his system but to say he should resign because he's not committed to winning is pretty weak.

Caper's under contract and will honor that contract until Mcnair decides enough is enough. If anyone can make a move that would show that the Texans are "committed to winning" it would be Mcnair. You will see that AFTER the season is over.

Also...last time I looked most of my "favorite players" were under contract. They can't just leave after the season.

HJam72
10-12-2005, 05:59 AM
Best thing Capers could do for this team is submit his application for Defensive Coordinator. That would be his best Head Coaching decision EVER.

Runner
10-12-2005, 06:04 AM
Of course one statisitic we have not measured is Capers Butt Kissing ability. Who knows with a little lip movement and ample suction he might stick around :deadhorse

I don't think his ability to osculate has anything to do with him keeping his job the rest of the year. Firing him now will have little effect unless a suitable substitute, either permanent or interim, is identified and is interested in joining the Texans under these circumstances.

Malloy
10-12-2005, 06:06 AM
He can't win the battle, but he has been blaming everyone but himself for a long time.

One of the things I like about Capers is that he does NOT blame people left and right, like some people on these boards.

HJam72
10-12-2005, 06:09 AM
One of the things I like about Capers is that he does NOT blame people left and right, like some people on these boards.

Oh, shut up! It's all your fault our O-line sucks anyway! :blah:

Cjeremy635
10-12-2005, 06:09 AM
He isnt going to resign and I think that it is unrealistic to assume he would. The Panters started 0-7 last year and most of the teams in the NFL have started 0-4 at one time or another. I think the fan base is starting to get really ridiculous now.

I couldn't agree with you more Vinny. I look on this board and there is thread after thread of Texan bashing....from the towel boy to the owner...no one is excluded. It is quite embarassing to see grown men cry like this. I love the game of football and waited 6 months just like the rest of you, hoping we would have a much improved team this year. Apparently with all of the scheme changes, it isn't working out as we hoped, but to sit up here day after day and bash people is quite low. 40% of you need to grow up, another 40% of you need to get a life, that leaves 10% of the fans who will support this team no matter what. I am not saying I am happy with the coaching or playing...it is horrendous, but this isn't high school football. These guys are paid professionals and they have been through this before and will fix it. None of you "fans" could do any better, regardless of what you think. Move this person, fire this guy, hire this guy, switch them around..blah..blah...blah!

Malloy
10-12-2005, 06:10 AM
Oh, shut up! It's all your fault our O-line sucks anyway! :blah:

me smells a witch-hunt coming :)

HJam72
10-12-2005, 06:12 AM
Really not sure if I need to grow up or get a life. Gotta be at least one of them. :um:

texan279
10-12-2005, 06:40 AM
It would definitely help in the sense that it would prove to the players and the fans that we are committed to winning. Capers is not committed, which is the reason for the change. I garauntee a boost in spirits and energythe second Capers is gone.

I understand where you are coming from, say we fire Capers now. Who do we get to replace him? Do we promote Pendry or Fangio temporarily? It would be almost impossible to find a coach from the outside to come in in the middle of the season and even if we did, if you bring in a new coach now, would the players have to learn all new plays and schemes? If Capers gets the axe, it should be the day after the season is over, bring in a new coach and it gives them an offseason to practice and learn. I understand it will take time either way, but I would wait until after the season is over to get more of a fresh start so to say.

texan279
10-12-2005, 06:42 AM
Best thing Capers could do for this team is submit his application for Defensive Coordinator. That would be his best Head Coaching decision EVER.

After his 4 years here, I doubt he could get anything more than a job as a DC, unless he coaches in college which I doubt.

nunusguy
10-12-2005, 07:03 AM
Our Football operations resembles FEMA. They can't make a simple decisions such as keeping the roof closed in oppressive heat and they close it on beautiful days as an overreaction....they didn't think about it...they just reacted....much like FEMA would. Heck, our entire offense never watched film together before a few weeks ago. What a clusterblank this is! The FEMA Texans
Now lets make an effort to be objective about this - yea, this strategy seems to have backfired on the Texans this year, but it also seemed to
be a successful strategy last year against Oakland. I think several of the Raider players were on record stating that they ran out of gas in the second half of last years game because of the heat & humidity which they were unaccustomed to out west in the Bay Area. Given how desperate we were for even a decent showing in the home opener, I dont' blame the move. Of
course there's the 20/20 hindsight thing - doesn't look like a smart move now.

Bobo
10-12-2005, 07:15 AM
He's probably been told to lay low and try to survive. Probably McNair and Company still don't understand how disgruntled and mad the fans are nor do they really understand the total ineptness of this staff. As some of have said its as much about the loss of respect of the team as it is technique. Nobody believes in the system anymore. You simply can't fix that, but he can't admit it, just as he nevers ever points to himself in the interviews.

I am a fan and I am disappointed, but certainly NOT disgruntled and mad. It's ridiculous to feel that way after just four games with three of them being games you were expected to lose anyway.

Vinny
10-12-2005, 07:17 AM
Now lets make an effort to be objective about this - yea, this strategy seems to have backfired on the Texans this year, but it also seemed to be a successful strategy last year against Oakland. I think several of the Raider players were on record stating that they ran out of gas in the second half of last years game because of the heat & humidity which they were unaccustomed to out west in the Bay Area. Given how desperate we were for even a decent showing in the home opener, I dont' blame the move. Of
course there's the 20/20 hindsight thing - doesn't look like a smart move now.
This is SOOOOO FEMA-like it's not even funny. How about have Dom Capers worry about football instead of the flippin' roof? Instead of just worrying about gameplan and whipping a good football team this *****ic regime is caught up in the weather and how they want to try to win the humidity battle. Putting the roof into the coaching decision was preposterous from the get-go. Get your team ready to play and just go out and whip them.....forget about the friggin' !@#$#! roof.

Wharton
10-12-2005, 07:18 AM
He isnt going to resign and I think that it is unrealistic to assume he would. The Panters started 0-7 last year and most of the teams in the NFL have started 0-4 at one time or another. I think the fan base is starting to get really ridiculous now.

Agreed.

I'm not sure if its the fan base or just this board, but either way, its gotten kinda ridiculous.

HJam72
10-12-2005, 07:20 AM
Yeah, where do we get these stupid people? :tomato:

nunusguy
10-12-2005, 07:40 AM
This is SOOOOO FEMA-like it's not even funny. How about have Dom Capers worry about football instead of the flippin' roof? Instead of just worrying about gameplan and whipping a good football team this *****ic regime is caught up in the weather and how they want to try to win the humidity battle. Putting the roof into the coaching decision was preposterous from the get-go. Get your team ready to play and just go out and whip them.....forget about the friggin' !@#$#! roof.
Defending Capers about anything is not something I want to get into, but the strategy of a team taking advantage of its climate when playing an opponent from a different region of the country is pretty commonplace. Thing is with the Texans these days, nothing seems to work: they close the roof against Tennessee thereby neutralizing the weather, but the results are still the same.

HomeBred_Texan
10-12-2005, 08:16 AM
Why are we talking about the roof? It not only affects the players, but the "fans" as well. It took all 60k right out of it, me included....

HardKnockTexan
10-12-2005, 08:18 AM
This is SOOOOO FEMA-like it's not even funny. How about have Dom Capers worry about football instead of the flippin' roof? Instead of just worrying about gameplan and whipping a good football team this *****ic regime is caught up in the weather and how they want to try to win the humidity battle. Putting the roof into the coaching decision was preposterous from the get-go. Get your team ready to play and just go out and whip them.....forget about the friggin' !@#$#! roof.


Take a deep breath Vinny... I've never seen you this worked up before...

GP
10-12-2005, 09:29 AM
"There is a simple answer if you are that upset by the texans performances dont watch them on sunday...." -- outofhnd

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Uh......I think that's probably happening at an alarming rate, don't you think?

Honestly, the only reason I keep watching is just to see how much more comical it can get. Anybody thinking there is a BIG TURNAROUND coming, and that's why they still watch on Sundays...get to an emergency room quick.

Just look at it the way I look at it: It'll continue to be a circus, and every Sunday it continues to look like a circus is just another day we get closer to firing some coaching or management or both...and the quicker we get to a new system and a new philosophy.

Until that happens, any "wins" we get are just a delay in the healing process if you ask me. If it does your heart good to see us win a couple games, then so be it. But for me, I'm looking forward to a new system and new coaches etc. to give us something to hope for.

Because we've had almost four years to place our hope in this current system, and we get inconsistent performance every year.

touttail
10-12-2005, 01:15 PM
He isnt going to resign and I think that it is unrealistic to assume he would. The Panters started 0-7 last year and most of the teams in the NFL have started 0-4 at one time or another. I think the fan base is starting to get really ridiculous now.


Vinny, let me ask you this.

Do you not agree that we very badly outcoached Sunday? The game was still tight at the half. The Titans coaches made some adjustments and they came out in the second half flinging the ball everywhere, kicking our butt. They saw or found something and went at it. I don't feel our coaches have the mentality or whatever to see something to adjust to. If they do then, we don't have the players to perform it.

Per say, look at the Cincy game. We came out with a couple of roll out passes for some good yargage in the first possession. Did we stay with it? Nope!

Look at the Titan game, we had McNair under pressure several times, and he would dump it off to one of his tight ends for good yardage. We don't seem to know what a tight end is for except to try to block.

Our coaches have their head stuck in the mud with aa few offensive plays and that's it. Maybe too many for Carr's wristband, I don't know! But we are outcoached every single game.


bobby 119C :brickwall

HomeBred_Texan
10-12-2005, 01:47 PM
We have been out-coached every game....

jagsfanincanada
10-12-2005, 01:52 PM
The Panthers were actually 1-7 but meh.