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Ranger
10-10-2005, 10:21 AM
If we end up in the Top 3 of the NFL draft (and that is where it looks like we are headed) would we draft Reggie Bush if he declares? In my opinion, if you have this player sitting in your lap, you just can't pass on him and draft someody else. He is a video game, one of the greatest athletes I have seen in a long time. So, say we have the #2 pick in the draft. Leinhart has already been picked, Texans on the clock, do we get Reggie?

I mean we have Dominack Davis, who is showing he is worth his money. He is already a jack-of-all trades guy who IS our offense, do we draft Reggie and make him a jack-of-all trades as well? Wow, that would be a offensive coordinators dream right there. But don't forget about the Big OT from Virginia, Brown, he will be up there as well, and we may be hard-pressed to draft him.

So-Reggie Bush, or Brown?

Bayern
10-10-2005, 10:26 AM
This is interesting because I haven't thought about adding another Running Back. Transform the team into a total running attack and all of a sudden that o-line that can actually block (kind of) for the run doesn't look so bad and David is only handing the ball off the whole year. Keep Davis and Bush on the field at the same time!

Then you'll see the play action pass to Dre downfield work. I like it!

Bush
O-line
Tight End
and some friggin mean linebackers. :texans:

WildBlackBear32
10-10-2005, 11:05 AM
But don't forget about the Big OT from Virginia, Brown, he will be up there as well, and we may be hard-pressed to draft him.

So-Reggie Bush, or Brown?

Ferguson and no. Take Bush.

Blake
10-10-2005, 11:07 AM
Build up the trenches, and then we can get the weapons.

beerlover
10-10-2005, 12:08 PM
two things have to happen. First Bush is only a junior so he would have to declare for the draft & leave USC early (just a thought if Pete Carrol was interested in ANY Texans position this might sway his decision) & the Texans need the top pick. all told not out of the question and yes I would do it :thumbup

royce1054
10-10-2005, 03:55 PM
This is a no brainer for me. Name 1 QB who can play with our OL. I know i posted this b4 in a different chain but no QB ever could. I think we go OT from Virginia. No questions asked. I think if 1 min goes by and we dont make him the pick i will be disappointed

PapaL
10-10-2005, 04:04 PM
Average NFL career life of

RB: 3 years.
OLine: ??

You couldnt really go wrong with either. Bush is big play waiting happen. Our O-Line is big play waiting to happen for the other team. Hard choice...Franchise RB/Slot WR vs Franchise LT.

Bubbajwp
10-10-2005, 04:19 PM
If our RB was as bad as our oline this would be a no Brainer.

Wolf
10-10-2005, 04:23 PM
we have to get OL and maybe by then Peterson in 2 years???
:heh:

Bubbajwp
10-10-2005, 04:26 PM
we have to get OL and maybe by then Peterson in 2 years???
:heh:
Ive been thinking that to. :drool:

BuffSoldier
10-10-2005, 04:34 PM
Two word: D'Brickashaw Ferguson:texflag:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/Buffsoldier/df.jpg

As much as I love Reggie Bush, we would be putting him in a no win situation, just like we have Carr, DD, and AJ if we take him with no offensive line help.

Huge
10-10-2005, 04:40 PM
Desmond Howard, Rocket Ismail and Peter Warrick dominated the college scene much the same way Reggie Bush is now.

I'd pass on Bush if it was a top 10 pick so that I could address more pressing areas of need.

beerlover
10-10-2005, 09:26 PM
Desmond Howard, Rocket Ismail and Peter Warrick dominated the college scene much the same way Reggie Bush is now.

I'd pass on Bush if it was a top 10 pick so that I could address more pressing areas of need.

were all receivers, Reggie Bush is a rb. big, no HUGE difference. the Texans need to run the ball period, both blocking scheme & personel would be better suited, at least a little more play action to keep them honest & with a back like Reggie Bush they would have to respect that :)

Huge
10-11-2005, 04:36 AM
Bush isn't near as effective if you only play him as a RB though. Much like Desmond Howard, Rocket Ismail and Peter Warrick who were effective because their teams created ways to get them the ball...not just throwing it to them because they were WRs.

If you want a true RB, you're better off drafting his teammate Lindale White.

tulexan
10-11-2005, 05:50 AM
Reggie Bush wouldn't nearly have the success here with this terrible line. I would trade with another team that wants him (like San Diego did with Vick). Get our LT and another pick and build the team the right way by starting with the line.

beerlover
10-11-2005, 06:19 AM
Bush isn't near as effective if you only play him as a RB though. Much like Desmond Howard, Rocket Ismail and Peter Warrick who were effective because their teams created ways to get them the ball...not just throwing it to them because they were WRs.

If you want a true RB, you're better off drafting his teammate Lindale White.

WR's

Desmond Howard 5'9" 176
Rocket Ismail 5'10" 175
Peter Warrick 5' 11" 192

RB's

Clinton Portis 5'11" 212
Cadillac Williams 5'11" 217
Curtis Martin 5'11" 210

All Around

Reggie Bush 6'0" 205

my bad he doesn't just fit the prototypical RB mold, he fits virtually all offensive positions and cannot be defined by a single position. gee I'm not sure how or if the Texans could use someone like that :heh:

Michael Ventre, MSNBC.com:
"Bush is young and multi-talented. He's a running back. He's a receiver. He's a kick returner. He's a punt returner. He's even a passer. If you try to pigeonhole him, you'd better have lots of pigeonholes.

Gary Klein, Los Angeles Times:
"Keith Gilbertson half-jokingly labeled the situation unfair. Bill Doba called the potential problems monstrous. Mike Riley found only one word to describe it-horrible. That's what these Pac-10 coaches said when asked to assess difficulties created for defenses when Reggie Bush lines up as a receiver."

Todd Harmonson, Orange County Register:
"The easy comparison is to Marshall Faulk because of the similarity in all-around games, but those who saw Gale Sayers recognize the speed, spins and spellbinding cuts...He is a speed demon who sees Christmas morning when a linebacker tries to defend him and a winnable challenge when a quick corner draws the assignment...Off the field, Bush is a quiet leader who is on track to graduate in 3 years."

Texas_Thrill
10-11-2005, 07:37 AM
Love to have him....if our O-LINE wasn't so bad.....I.E. BARRY SANDERS.

Huge
10-11-2005, 08:08 AM
WR's

Desmond Howard 5'9" 176
Rocket Ismail 5'10" 175
Peter Warrick 5' 11" 192

RB's

Clinton Portis 5'11" 212
Cadillac Williams 5'11" 217
Curtis Martin 5'11" 210

All Around

Reggie Bush 6'0" 205

my bad he doesn't just fit the prototypical RB mold, he fits virtually all offensive positions and cannot be defined by a single position. gee I'm not sure how or if the Texans could use someone like that :heh:

Michael Ventre, MSNBC.com:
"Bush is young and multi-talented. He's a running back. He's a receiver. He's a kick returner. He's a punt returner. He's even a passer. If you try to pigeonhole him, you'd better have lots of pigeonholes.

Gary Klein, Los Angeles Times:
"Keith Gilbertson half-jokingly labeled the situation unfair. Bill Doba called the potential problems monstrous. Mike Riley found only one word to describe it-horrible. That's what these Pac-10 coaches said when asked to assess difficulties created for defenses when Reggie Bush lines up as a receiver."

Todd Harmonson, Orange County Register:
"The easy comparison is to Marshall Faulk because of the similarity in all-around games, but those who saw Gale Sayers recognize the speed, spins and spellbinding cuts...He is a speed demon who sees Christmas morning when a linebacker tries to defend him and a winnable challenge when a quick corner draws the assignment...Off the field, Bush is a quiet leader who is on track to graduate in 3 years."
Basically what I'm saying is his collegiate dominance doesn't translate to the same in the NFL. I can see him playing a role similar to what Marshall Faulk does/did but I don't think he's as good of a RB as Faulk (but I think he's a better receiver).

I would post quotes of sports writers that also support this view but I don't hold their (sports writers) opinions too highly. :)

edo783
10-11-2005, 12:41 PM
A talent no doubt, but not what we NEED.

HeHateMe
10-11-2005, 12:55 PM
If we do get the first overall pick, and it's looking like it so far. I think we should trade down a couple of spots and pick up a couple of more 2nd and 3rd round picks. Then again Casserly hasn't drafted that well in the later rounds.

We are just doomed!!!!!

Texas_Thrill
10-11-2005, 01:20 PM
If we get the first pick I say trade down as well. None of the OL are that dominant to be the 1st pick. Of course they all look dominant to us b/c ours are so bad.

That being said we could use the extra picks. At this point I'm playing the #'s game with cass b/c the more picks he has at least 2-3 have to turn out ok.

I.E. Dunta....ummmm that's about it.

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
10-11-2005, 01:56 PM
The best we can hope for is a few teams getting into a bidding war for Leinhart and we rack up on draft picks.

clandestin
10-11-2005, 02:18 PM
If D'Brickashaw Ferguson is there then we take him without question (assuming the scouts say that he lives up to the hype.) We just resigned Davis and RBs are easy to come by...Edgerin james and Alexander could have been had with a 2nd round pick last year.

The only place you can get an elite franchise LT for the next 12 years is at the top of the draft.

tulexan
10-12-2005, 05:53 AM
We could always try to get the poor man's Reggie Bush with Maurice Drew

TheOgre
10-12-2005, 06:31 AM
We have already shown how hard it is to find just an average LT. Most of the stud LT's in the league were early first round selections. Once we get our foundation in place, we can re-evaluate our skill position talent.

tulexan
10-12-2005, 07:19 AM
you're right. we need to build this team starting from the line. once you shore up the line, you would be surprised how much better you can look

beerlover
10-12-2005, 08:12 AM
if the Texans have the #1 pick and pass on Reggie Bush they should all be fired, otherwise I'll fire myself, you don't pass on this type of player.

http://www.jefflewisphotography.com/adm/photo/60_USCBush1Website.jpg

Vinny
10-12-2005, 08:23 AM
I wouldn't take him if I were the Texans...and would be dissapointed if they did.

Nawzer
10-12-2005, 10:28 AM
I would trade down if we have the no.1 pick. We have multiple holes on our team and we need multiple picks to fill up those holes. No one player is going to make us a playoff team next year much less a rookie imho.

HardKnockTexan
10-12-2005, 10:45 AM
Selecting an ofensive lineman in the first round is never a flashy pick to make. As all of you know I'm sure, skill positions are usually the first taken. Championship contenders are all built from the inside out. It all starts in the trenches. This is where the Texans went wrong in the first place. Our DLine is average at best and our OLine is horrible at best. I'd love to see someone like Bush in our backfield but not selecting the best left tackle available would be the biggest mistake the Texans could possibly make. Unless ofcourse, the Texans actually make plenty of solid moves during freeagency :texflag:

BigBull17
10-12-2005, 11:02 AM
if the Texans have the #1 pick and pass on Reggie Bush they should all be fired, otherwise I'll fire myself, you don't pass on this type of player.

http://www.jefflewisphotography.com/adm/photo/60_USCBush1Website.jpg
What the hell is he gonna do with our ****y O-Line? Can he block all the D, and somhow run through for the score? If they pick him they should be fired unless they get alot of FA linemen, but I still think they should get a LT.

dtran04
10-12-2005, 12:33 PM
Reggie Bush = Michael Westbrook type of player

clandestin
10-12-2005, 02:40 PM
Selecting an ofensive lineman in the first round is never a flashy pick to make.

I agree with your post, but I would actually argue this point. In my eyes an elite LT doing their thing can be just as flashy as any other position. Don't believe me? If you haven't had a chance this season watch Walter Jones do his thing vs. Antwan Peek on Sunday.

I watched SEA vs. ATL and Walter Jones so throughly destroyed his man each and every play that the guy basically gave up trying to get by him for the sack at times. I'm not talking about giving his QB 5,7, or 10 seconds of protection either, to me it appeared that he could have kept the defender at bay for 5,7, or 10 minutes!

At one point they even moved the DE to the other side of the line leaving Jones standing all by himself with noone even attempting to rush on his side of the line. To me that's pretty flashy.

HardKnockTexan
10-13-2005, 06:37 AM
I agree with your post, but I would actually argue this point. In my eyes an elite LT doing their thing can be just as flashy as any other position. Don't believe me? If you haven't had a chance this season watch Walter Jones do his thing vs. Antwan Peek on Sunday.

I watched SEA vs. ATL and Walter Jones so throughly destroyed his man each and every play that the guy basically gave up trying to get by him for the sack at times. I'm not talking about giving his QB 5,7, or 10 seconds of protection either, to me it appeared that he could have kept the defender at bay for 5,7, or 10 minutes!

At one point they even moved the DE to the other side of the line leaving Jones standing all by himself with noone even attempting to rush on his side of the line. To me that's pretty flashy.

I completley agree. Unfortunatley, this kind of thinking puts us in the minority. I played on the offensive line for 9 years and love seeing complete dominance. Watching the Texans week in and week out made me forget what it looks like for an offensive line to take over a game.

beerlover
10-13-2005, 09:15 AM
I completley agree. Unfortunatley, this kind of thinking puts us in the minority. I played on the offensive line for 9 years and love seeing complete dominance. Watching the Texans week in and week out made me forget what it looks like for an offensive line to take over a game.

Good deal Hardknock then let me ask you a question. As a lineman did you prefer to run the ball or pass the ball? And which was more effective for the offense a QB who stayed in the pocket on pass plays or scrambled? Also if you had a star caliber RB who could find holes and break tackles utilizing the blocks of his offensive lineman how would that compare?

My point is it would seem alot harder to protect a QB (weather he be stationary type or mobile) than a franchise type of back, at least from a linemans point of view. the running play is much quicker to develop, you have a blocking assingment you exacute removing a road block for the RB to pass through unobstructed. In a pass play there is more time and it takes longer to develop & basicly your assignment becomes a freestyle tag match & if you have no idea of where the QB has reloacted too it would seem to make things very difficult to not allow a hold, breakdown in protection and a sack.

By the running the ball more, dedicating the line to ground control all the QB should have to do besides handing off to the RB is some play action and once in a while to really devastate the defense throw a deep ball. I agree the line is important and has been negleted, last years move to not take a tackle with the first pick then not having a 2nd and only one 3rd really has cost the Texans talent/depth on the line. But a player like Bush would cause all kinds of problems for defenses, not only would it help Carr & Davis it would help the OL look like a OL and of course THIS YEAR WE DO NOT TRADE OUR 2ND & 3RD RD PICKS AND DRAFT OFFENSIVE LINEMEN INSTEAD. I believe that because of the depth at the tackle position in this years draft a 1st rd quality guy will still be there especially if the Texans have the 1st pick. :texans:

HardKnockTexan
10-13-2005, 09:35 AM
There's no debating that Bush is a great playmaker. The fact is the Texans already have one of the top rushing offenses in the NFL. Adding a great runningback to the mix would be a nice addition but it isnt nessasary at the moment. If this was highschool ball it would be okay to have a lopsided offesne but this is pro ball. Teams have to be able to pass. If we do not upgrade the line through the draft or freeagency this offseason we will be in for many years of continues turmoil.

Huge
10-13-2005, 10:47 AM
Way too many talented RBs coming out of college to use a (very) high first round pick on Bush.

In other words, you're better off taking an elite OT in the first and a RB in the 2nd than you are doing the opposite. Bush will not help this team enough that would warrant taking him that high.

And it's almost (maybe even closer than I realize) debatable that the RBs drafted after the first round have performed as well as, if not better than, those in the first lately.

BigBull17
10-13-2005, 11:06 AM
And we have to shaky of an oline and to soft a defense to take Bush.

beerlover
10-13-2005, 03:29 PM
I'm not too worried about it right now there is still six months (until the 06 draft) for you guys to come around which I have faith that you will :heh: