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Exascor
10-06-2005, 02:47 PM
I hear a lot of rubblings that Casserly is as much or more to blame than the coaching staff. I'm not a huge Casserly fan but his only downfall IMO has been listening to his coaching staff on players selection/value. I really can't fault him for that. Isn't it his job to bring in players that the coaching staff feels will make the team better? Isn't that why some coaches want to be GMs as well?

We don't know what goes on for sure but there's no way Casserly makes all the picks and signings on his own. He has to have a ton of input from the coaching staff and the scouts. I'd bet that if it was the Raiders that approached us for the Buchanon trade that he would have cleared it with the coaching staff...including what picks we were giving up. You think Casserly just plopped a 2nd rounder on Hollings without the coaches making some kind of push for him? I doubt it. The fact that Casserly has been able to make moves like the Babin trade, Joppru trade down, Henson deal and a few "this year's draft picks for next year's higher draft pick" deals shows he's capable of making deals when needed. Are they all great moves? No way. Are they all Casserly's fault. No way. At least he shows he can get a deal done when needed.

Casserly is ultimately responsible for the entire team, players and coaching staff. I suppose that he should have nixed some of the deals like the Babin and Buchanon trades. If I was a GM and my coaches told me that "Babin will be the pass rusher we've been looking for" and had them compared to probowl caliber players then I might have pulled the trigger on that trade as well. OK-that one I still wouldn't have made but can understand why he would do it. I'll just point back to the fact that the GM must rely of info from the coaches and scouts. If that info is flawed, it could take years to find out. So far Buchanon and Hollings (and to a lesser extent Babin) at the very least seemed to have been the result of flawed info. Joppru was back luck period.

I'm not saying that the entire regime doesn't need to go. Maybe they do. I just think that some people are blaming Casserly for the player moves that he only has a partial part in. Should he be let go along with the coaching staff after this season? What could he do for a new coaching staff? Mr Mcnair has a lot of thinking to do.

Double Barrel
10-06-2005, 03:15 PM
Good post, man, and excellent points. :thumbup

I agree with you for the most part. I know Casserly has taken a lot of heat on the boards, and there are even questions about his ability to GM.

But, he has great respect among both the national media (who covers all NFL teams), as well as team owners and football experts. That has to account for something...at least in my book.

He's also a whiz on the salary cap from what I've read about him. You can never discount the effect that poor salary cap management has on a team's future potential. It can be devastating, and carry for many years beyond the one season you're dealing with at the present.

Personally, if there is change in the front office, I hope it starts with the HC instead of the GM. But that's just my take, and I'm a mere fan, so what do I know. :)

CowboysTexansFan
10-06-2005, 03:59 PM
I think you guys are being way too easy on Casserly.

Of course he's going to make personnel decisions based on the heavy input of the coaching staff, but ultimately, the buck stops with him. It's HIS job to run the team's football operations. If the team's picks and personnel moves ultimately don't work out, he has to take the responsibility. If the coaches and/or scouts gave him bad advice, they should be sent packing along with him.

For years the quality of the O-Line has been a weak spot and nothing has been done to address it. But more to the point, look at all the bad draft picks made by this regime.

Second and third round picks have been wasted on Hollings, Joppru, Wand, Weary, Gaffney, Buchanon (via trade) and Babin (all those picks given up for him).

On the plus side, they picked Davis in the fourth round and were able to swap the Henson sixth round pick for a third round pick.

The first round picks have been good, but they SHOULD have been, because they were so high, and it's hard to mangle those. Having said that, talk to just about any Redskins fan about Casserly and what they're most likely to remember about him is that he wasted the team's 3rd overall pick in the draft on Heath Shuler.

In my opinion, on the whole, Casserly has done a lousy job of building the team through the draft, which he said he was going to do. Everyone is going to make mistakes and have bad luck, but any objective evaluation of the Texans' picks does not reflect well on the organization.

The team has regressed badly and I'm sick of all the excuses. I hope I'm wrong, but I don't see how the team is possibly going to win more than 4 games this year. If the Texans don't, in Year 4, win more games than they did in Year 1, Casserly, Capers and the whole bunch deserve to get FIRED!

texasguy346
10-06-2005, 04:21 PM
Great post Exascor. I don't think CC deserves all of the blame he's been given, but he certainly deserves some. One interesting question to ponder is how would this team be different if CC didn't listen to the coaching staff? I'm sure there were players that the coaching staff may have been pushing for that CC wouldn't sign off on, and vice versa. I'm curious what it was about players like Hollings, etc. that made CC feel like they were worth the gamble of taking them. I guess we'll never know for sure.

CowboysTexansFan
10-06-2005, 04:27 PM
LOL!

What kind of boss worth his salt listens to his underlings and then blames them when he followed their advice?

If Casserly listened to the coaches and made bad decisions based on their advice, he deserves whatever blame comes his way.

disaacks3
10-06-2005, 04:50 PM
My only "correction" to make is that the scouts don't work for the Coaching staff, they work for the G.M. They weren't hired by Capers, they were hired by Casserly. So, any "blame" associated with poor scouting goes right to CC, nobody else.

Texas
10-06-2005, 04:56 PM
The whole coaching staff including managers and all are to blame!

Also gotta throw it on some of the players

beerlover
10-06-2005, 05:55 PM
LOL!

What kind of boss worth his salt listens to his underlings and then blames them when he followed their advice?

If Casserly listened to the coaches and made bad decisions based on their advice, he deserves whatever blame comes his way.

thats what I was thinking too, Casserly does not seem like the non-opinionated type I believe its his plan, his players & his decisons. at the same time he also seems like a stand-up kinda guy and will take the heat & explain his moves with McNair in detail (communication with your boss is key & he probably cover's his bases well). :texans:

beerlover
10-06-2005, 05:56 PM
My only "correction" to make is that the scouts don't work for the Coaching staff, they work for the G.M. They weren't hired by Capers, they were hired by Casserly. So, any "blame" associated with poor scouting goes right to CC, nobody else.

ditto could not have said it better :thumbup

Honoring Earl 34
10-06-2005, 06:28 PM
:texflag: Casserly took alot of chances . If they work he's a genius if they don't the fans go on the message boards and want him fired .

Marcus
10-06-2005, 09:24 PM
LOL!

What kind of boss worth his salt listens to his underlings and then blames them when he followed their advice?

If Casserly listened to the coaches and made bad decisions based on their advice, he deserves whatever blame comes his way.

:blah::blah::blah: Ahhh yes, the good ole 'buck stops here' argument. 'Last man off the ship', 'fall on your sword' . . . and on, and on, and on. Tell me something. Do you actually want a GM that doesn't listen to the coaches?

Here's another little catchy cliche. How about '****** rolls downhill'? If Casserly goes out the door, everyone below him goes, too. Ain't no way in hell anyone's going to convince me that Babin was NOT Capers' boy.

Texas_Thrill
10-06-2005, 10:20 PM
I think CC is an excellent GM....that being said he's not doing an excellent job.

Going into last offseason when your #1 priority is to get an offensive line and after the Pace trade falls through you seem to abandon all sense of it and dont draft not one until the 5th round....you shoulder the majority of that blame.

There's enough blame in this situation to go around though. I mean I know this was our season to go young but we went young and terrible.

We've drafted too many PROJECTS imo. Babin, Hollings, Joppru....etc.
I want to see some PLAYMAKERS. .....PROVEN ones for once.

eriadoc
10-06-2005, 10:20 PM
Casserly has been credited with choosing eight of the defensive players from the Redskins team that won the Super Bowl. Hence, the question - Did he assemble those players at the request of his coaches? And if so, does he deserve credit for listening to his coach when, in hindsight, he clearly should have? Or is he just a puppet on a string choosing what his coaches want and he gets no credit? Or maybe he picked a few of them and has some knowledge of being a GM in the NFL.

I don't know the answer, but I figured I'd toss that out there.

tsip
10-07-2005, 03:19 AM
This is the All-Big 12 TE from UT that the Texans passed on and the Titans drafted. At UT, he was a good blocker that could catch and run with the ball. Even listed as 3rd team for the Titans, he's caught 9 passes/1 TD vs the 3 passes our TE's have caught.

It's amazing that everyone but the Texans think they need an all-purpose TE! :brickwall

El Amigo Invisible
04-30-2006, 10:35 PM
This is the All-Big 12 TE from UT that the Texans passed on and the Titans drafted. At UT, he was a good blocker that could catch and run with the ball. Even listed as 3rd team for the Titans, he's caught 9 passes/1 TD vs the 3 passes our TE's have caught.

It's amazing that everyone but the Texans think they need an all-purpose TE! :brickwall
We passed on L.Pope too. We will be seeing him twice a year(Jacksonville):brickwall

Double Barrel
04-30-2006, 11:35 PM
This thread is six months old. What's up? :um:

D-ReK
04-30-2006, 11:41 PM
We passed on L.Pope too. We will be seeing him twice a year(Jacksonville):brickwall

Jacksonville took Marcedes Lewis, genius...

El Amigo Invisible
05-01-2006, 09:51 AM
Jacksonville took Marcedes Lewis, genius...
It was a long weekend. Pope went to Arizona but we picked some guy in the fourth from Wisconsin?Brilliant !

chuckm
05-01-2006, 09:52 AM
It was a long weekend. Pope went to Arizona but we picked some guy in the thrid from Wisconsin?Brilliant !


4th and he's Owen Daniels

kingh99
05-01-2006, 10:18 AM
I hear a lot of rubblings that Casserly is as much or more to blame than the coaching staff. I'm not a huge Casserly fan but his only downfall IMO has been listening to his coaching staff on players selection/value. I really can't fault him for that. Isn't it his job to bring in players that the coaching staff feels will make the team better? Isn't that why some coaches want to be GMs as well?

We don't know what goes on for sure but there's no way Casserly makes all the picks and signings on his own. He has to have a ton of input from the coaching staff and the scouts. I'd bet that if it was the Raiders that approached us for the Buchanon trade that he would have cleared it with the coaching staff...including what picks we were giving up. You think Casserly just plopped a 2nd rounder on Hollings without the coaches making some kind of push for him? I doubt it. The fact that Casserly has been able to make moves like the Babin trade, Joppru trade down, Henson deal and a few "this year's draft picks for next year's higher draft pick" deals shows he's capable of making deals when needed. Are they all great moves? No way. Are they all Casserly's fault. No way. At least he shows he can get a deal done when needed.

Casserly is ultimately responsible for the entire team, players and coaching staff. I suppose that he should have nixed some of the deals like the Babin and Buchanon trades. If I was a GM and my coaches told me that "Babin will be the pass rusher we've been looking for" and had them compared to probowl caliber players then I might have pulled the trigger on that trade as well. OK-that one I still wouldn't have made but can understand why he would do it. I'll just point back to the fact that the GM must rely of info from the coaches and scouts. If that info is flawed, it could take years to find out. So far Buchanon and Hollings (and to a lesser extent Babin) at the very least seemed to have been the result of flawed info. Joppru was back luck period.

I'm not saying that the entire regime doesn't need to go. Maybe they do. I just think that some people are blaming Casserly for the player moves that he only has a partial part in. Should he be let go along with the coaching staff after this season? What could he do for a new coaching staff? Mr Mcnair has a lot of thinking to do.

So then you remember this dolt gushing about these busts right after his "coups" getting them. And he's still in front of the podium.

ArlingtonTexan
05-01-2006, 10:21 AM
The title of thread really gets to the heart of a problem with many texans fans. Over the last four years even when they have played well (the couple of games) they have been one least interesting teams to watching the league. Bush or Young would have brought an air of excitement to the team.

It is one thing when you are boring and good (the Steelers and Patriots are not exciting teams per se), but boring and bad is unforgiveable. Many fans wanted to at least see exciting and bad, now there is a fear of more boring and bad.

Ibar_Harry
05-01-2006, 10:34 AM
We will be anything, but boring this year. We have redone the WR & TE core. I think you are going to be surprised at how much difference that is going to make. Our 2nd level of receivers was plain bad as in no good last year. Our O-line is going to be very different being that it is coached by someone who knows how to put an O-line together. I think we are playoff bound, but that's just one man's opinion.

Coaching is one of the biggest factors contributing to success in the NFL. We have an outstanding coaching staff and the difference in going to be magnified over the course of the season. The simple phrase we will just have to find a way to win is in sharp contrast to if only they would have executed.

Kaiser Toro
05-01-2006, 10:54 AM
The title of thread really gets to the heart of a problem with many texans fans. Over the last four years even when they have played well (the couple of games) they have been one least interesting teams to watching the league. Bush or Young would have brought an air of excitement to the team.

It is one thing when you are boring and good (the Steelers and Patriots are not exciting teams per se), but boring and bad is unforgiveable. Many fans wanted to at least see exciting and bad, now there is a fear of more boring and bad.

I am in the same camp with you AT. I just want to be entertained and the Offense has never been entertaining save for a couple of games in my opinion. However, I do feel that we should see marked improvement from both units and get me out of my seat more often for cheers rather than beers.

Exascor
05-02-2006, 09:07 AM
Fixed

Vinny
05-02-2006, 11:08 AM
The title of thread really gets to the heart of a problem with many texans fans.I looked into the history of this thread and his thread was merged/split/chopped up at one point and the wrong title was left up. That's probably not your point..but I wanted to set the record straight that Exascor had a different title on this thread when he started it. I fixed it this morning. Sorry about that E.

Hookem Horns
05-02-2006, 11:13 AM
I know nothing about Owens but many "experts" were praising the Texans for this pick saying he was a steal this late in the draft.

Exascor
05-02-2006, 11:28 AM
Thanks Vinny. I just want to make sure everyone understands that this thread was started October of 2005. Someone necro bumped it. This was before Capers was fired and many fans were calling for an entire regime change. I was just clearing the air about what I felt Casserly's job was. Many of the posters were saying that Casserly made all the player decisions on his own. I felt that was incorrect.

Now...back to the present. :)

JDizzle
05-02-2006, 11:30 AM
I know nothing about Owens but many "experts" were praising the Texans for this pick saying he was a steal this late in the draft.

Not only that, but if Ed Brandon or Neil Frank ever go down, this guy is a SOLID replacement.

Kaiser Toro
05-02-2006, 11:33 AM
Thanks Vinny. I just want to make sure everyone understands that this thread was started October of 2005. Someone necro bumped it. This was before Capers was fired and many fans were calling for an entire regime change. I was just clearing the air about what I felt Casserly's job was. Many of the posters were saying that Casserly made all the player decisions on his own. I felt that was incorrect.

Now...back to the present. :)

I like the term necro bump.

El Tejano
05-02-2006, 11:37 AM
This is the All-Big 12 TE from UT that the Texans passed on and the Titans drafted. At UT, he was a good blocker that could catch and run with the ball. Even listed as 3rd team for the Titans, he's caught 9 passes/1 TD vs the 3 passes our TE's have caught.

It's amazing that everyone but the Texans think they need an all-purpose TE! :brickwall
How long will Scaife be able to play. Dude is already like 50 years old because he Rodney Dangerfielded his college career.

DarkNinja
05-04-2006, 03:54 AM
I think CC is an excellent GM....that being said he's not doing an excellent job.

Going into last offseason when your #1 priority is to get an offensive line and after the Pace trade falls through you seem to abandon all sense of it and dont draft not one until the 5th round....you shoulder the majority of that blame.

There's enough blame in this situation to go around though. I mean I know this was our season to go young but we went young and terrible.

We've drafted too many PROJECTS imo. Babin, Hollings, Joppru....etc.
I want to see some PLAYMAKERS. .....PROVEN ones for once.





Well, if you look this draft thing from another perspective. It seems to be a racial thing. How can you pass up 2 Micheal Jordans(V. Young/ R. Bush) of the NFL and go with an OKAY football player. Hmm...is it because with Young/Bush, either of them with the big fan base with big pockets would have to be the BLACK face of the team. Oops, would those better than average rookies would replace a QB who gets paid more than a pornstar to lay on his back? The Texans passed up tremendous talent, revenue, profit, and possible sold out season ticket holders from Austin to Houston....Darn. Just so the present washed up QB can continue to lay down on his back. Its totally racial. Lets keep THAT face to represent the team and Houston....Thanks McNair/ Casserly

HJam72
05-04-2006, 04:38 AM
So, they're racist because they took Mario Williams? That's just nuts. If McNair was racist, he wouldn't have bought an NFL franchise in the first place and CC would have been unemployed a long time ago.

This is just more proof that it's time to BURN the race card.

Malloy
05-04-2006, 05:03 AM
I am in the same camp with you AT. I just want to be entertained and the Offense has never been entertaining save for a couple of games in my opinion. However, I do feel that we should see marked improvement from both units and get me out of my seat more often for cheers rather than beers.

Does the one exclude the other ? :)

BigTimeTexanFan
05-04-2006, 08:15 AM
Well, if you look this draft thing from another perspective. It seems to be a racial thing. How can you pass up 2 Micheal Jordans(V. Young/ R. Bush) of the NFL and go with an OKAY football player. Hmm...is it because with Young/Bush, either of them with the big fan base with big pockets would have to be the BLACK face of the team. Oops, would those better than average rookies would replace a QB who gets paid more than a pornstar to lay on his back? The Texans passed up tremendous talent, revenue, profit, and possible sold out season ticket holders from Austin to Houston....Darn. Just so the present washed up QB can continue to lay down on his back. Its totally racial. Lets keep THAT face to represent the team and Houston....Thanks McNair/ Casserly
You've got to be kidding me. Yeah their racist alright. They passed on reggie and vince because they are black. I guess they didn't realize mario is black also??? Oh and I guess DD is considered white because of his light skin tone so they pass on reggie bush??? I don't buy the racist card for one second.

Kaiser Toro
05-04-2006, 08:35 AM
Does the one exclude the other ? :)

I have always taken the exclusion through inclusion route. :confused:

Erratic Assassin
05-04-2006, 08:11 PM
his only downfall IMO has been listening to his coaching staff on players selection/value. I really can't fault him for that.

At least he shows he can get a deal done when needed.

If I was a GM and my coaches told me that "Babin will be the pass rusher we've been looking for" and had them compared to probowl caliber players then I might have pulled the trigger on that trade as well.

If it's the coaches job to coach the players AND pick the players, then why the Hell do we even need Casserly?

If you're a GM and you know that Heath Shuler is a wasted pick (because you're an expert) and you waste a #3 pick on him anyway because your subordinate "made you do it" you deserve to be fired. Same for Babin and Joppru and P-Burn. If you're the man in charge and you pass the buck for your bad decisions to someone who reports to you, you are unworthy of your position.

Anyone can "get a deal done". The trick is to get the good end of the deal. How many times has Casserly gotten over on the other guy?

Bobo
05-04-2006, 08:25 PM
I hear a lot of rubblings that Casserly is as much or more to blame than the coaching staff. I'm not a huge Casserly fan but his only downfall IMO has been listening to his coaching staff on players selection/value. I really can't fault him for that. Isn't it his job to bring in players that the coaching staff feels will make the team better? Isn't that why some coaches want to be GMs as well?

We don't know what goes on for sure but there's no way Casserly makes all the picks and signings on his own. He has to have a ton of input from the coaching staff and the scouts. I'd bet that if it was the Raiders that approached us for the Buchanon trade that he would have cleared it with the coaching staff...including what picks we were giving up. You think Casserly just plopped a 2nd rounder on Hollings without the coaches making some kind of push for him? I doubt it. The fact that Casserly has been able to make moves like the Babin trade, Joppru trade down, Henson deal and a few "this year's draft picks for next year's higher draft pick" deals shows he's capable of making deals when needed. Are they all great moves? No way. Are they all Casserly's fault. No way. At least he shows he can get a deal done when needed.

Casserly is ultimately responsible for the entire team, players and coaching staff. I suppose that he should have nixed some of the deals like the Babin and Buchanon trades. If I was a GM and my coaches told me that "Babin will be the pass rusher we've been looking for" and had them compared to probowl caliber players then I might have pulled the trigger on that trade as well. OK-that one I still wouldn't have made but can understand why he would do it. I'll just point back to the fact that the GM must rely of info from the coaches and scouts. If that info is flawed, it could take years to find out. So far Buchanon and Hollings (and to a lesser extent Babin) at the very least seemed to have been the result of flawed info. Joppru was back luck period.

I'm not saying that the entire regime doesn't need to go. Maybe they do. I just think that some people are blaming Casserly for the player moves that he only has a partial part in. Should he be let go along with the coaching staff after this season? What could he do for a new coaching staff? Mr Mcnair has a lot of thinking to do.

And who gets the credit for the first three years where the Texans started their first year with four wins and then went to five and seven? All I hear about is "who's to blame, who's to blame" when these guys had one bad year and three pretty good ones. Hint: These guys didn't get hit with a stupid stick all at once last year. Capers, Casserly et. al. are all pretty bright guys who have been around for awhile and know what they are doing. They did very well, taking into account what they had to deal with out there to stock their team with.

Bobo
05-04-2006, 08:27 PM
The title of thread really gets to the heart of a problem with many texans fans. Over the last four years even when they have played well (the couple of games) they have been one least interesting teams to watching the league. Bush or Young would have brought an air of excitement to the team.

It is one thing when you are boring and good (the Steelers and Patriots are not exciting teams per se), but boring and bad is unforgiveable. Many fans wanted to at least see exciting and bad, now there is a fear of more boring and bad.

You obviously have not been to many games. As a season ticket holder, the stadium was filled with electricity the first three years. You put Bush or Young behind a team with bad lines and either of those two guys will notice a quick end to their honeymoon.

champ1234
05-04-2006, 08:33 PM
Same for Babin and Joppru and P-Burn. If you're the man in charge and you pass the buck for your bad decisions to someone who reports to you, you are unworthy of your position.

Anyone can "get a deal done". The trick is to get the good end of the deal. How many times has Casserly gotten over on the other guy?

Yes, the objective is to get the good end of the deal. But you can't blame CC for everything that has happened to Joppru, he was an outstanding collegiate player with NO injury history. Also, with P-Burnt he saw the possiblity of landing a young, inexpensive 1st round talent for a 2nd round pick. The possible upside outweighed the cost. Even though he had a HORRIBLE season last year, we also had no pass rush and an absolutely aweful Defense as a whole. Does that mean we wasted our pick on D-Rob b/c he wasn't outstanding last year? NO. A real decision can't be made on P-Buch yet.

Remember that CC is responsible for Eric Winston, this season, b/c of the trade down in the '05 Draft. I'm not saying this guy is the best GM ever, but he has had some bright spots. Have you noticed that the majority of all of our previous draftees are still on the team under the new regime? He picked up the talent, it just hasn't been utilized yet.

champ1234
05-04-2006, 08:35 PM
You obviously have not been to many games. As a season ticket holder, the stadium was filled with electricity the first three years. You put Bush or Young behind a team with bad lines and either of those two guys will notice a quick end to their honeymoon.

Great point, Bobo

BigTimeTexanFan
05-04-2006, 08:36 PM
Frankly I'm getting a litlle tired of people lumping the Joppru pick in with bad Casserly moves. He may have made mistakes in the past, but it is not fair to place blame of this pick on him. Joppru didn't have a history of injuries in college, it's just one of those unfortunate circumstances.

DarkNinja
05-05-2006, 04:36 AM
So, they're racist because they took Mario Williams? That's just nuts. If McNair was racist, he wouldn't have bought an NFL franchise in the first place and CC would have been unemployed a long time ago.

This is just more proof that it's time to BURN the race card.
Mario's black butt doesn't have a fan base at all, at a No 1 overated pick. Look at it this way, if Bush or Young were here, Texans jerseys alone would be sold out between Austin and Houston. And there would be sold out tickets to some David Carr jersey burning parties....But to keep his job, lets not hire someone really good to take the politics away from Carr...hmm. If I was V. Young do you think I would want to take tutoring from a used Carr how to lay on my back all the time. Race card still in play.

DarkNinja
05-05-2006, 04:48 AM
You've got to be kidding me. Yeah their racist alright. They passed on reggie and vince because they are black. I guess they didn't realize mario is black also??? Oh and I guess DD is considered white because of his light skin tone so they pass on reggie bush??? I don't buy the racist card for one second.
If Young/ Bush was here. Who would be the face/ leader of the team? Not a used Carr...2 major stars was passed up so a used Carr can still be in HEB commercials. But the rest of the team/ roster got a major overhaul...hmm. Did Kubiak get a bunch of HEB coupons so Carr can keep his job. Capers is gone...why not Carr....he has been given chances. But if Carr did leave, who is stupid enough to take him in the NFL, Canada, or Europe?? Its still racial...don't let a black guy take the HEB off the table from Carr. Now is there a clearer picture here?

Malloy
05-05-2006, 04:52 AM
I have always taken the exclusion through inclusion route. :confused:

Auch, my anthropological tools of analysis are hurting atm! :)

DarkNinja
05-05-2006, 04:55 AM
You obviously have not been to many games. As a season ticket holder, the stadium was filled with electricity the first three years. You put Bush or Young behind a team with bad lines and either of those two guys will notice a quick end to their honeymoon.



The fans showed up to reliant stadium just to watch the Astros get as far as they gotten w/o Clement's clout-throwing behind.

mancunian
05-05-2006, 05:54 AM
Well, if you look this draft thing from another perspective. It seems to be a racial thing. How can you pass up 2 Micheal Jordans(V. Young/ R. Bush) of the NFL and go with an OKAY football player. Hmm...is it because with Young/Bush, either of them with the big fan base with big pockets would have to be the BLACK face of the team. Oops, would those better than average rookies would replace a QB who gets paid more than a pornstar to lay on his back? The Texans passed up tremendous talent, revenue, profit, and possible sold out season ticket holders from Austin to Houston....Darn. Just so the present washed up QB can continue to lay down on his back. Its totally racial. Lets keep THAT face to represent the team and Houston....Thanks McNair/ Casserly

What?!!! Your talking through your jacksey mate. David Carr is just ONE of the faces of this team. The others are DD, AJ, Dunta - and guess what they're all black.
In my opinion when Mario lives up to his potential and becomes the dominant DE this team need then he will be the main man here. It wont be the first time a defensive player becomes to embody the spirit of an organisation - Ray Lewis at the Ravens for example - and Mario can emulate that.

mancunian
05-05-2006, 06:02 AM
If Young/ Bush was here. Who would be the face/ leader of the team? Not a used Carr...2 major stars was passed up so a used Carr can still be in HEB commercials. But the rest of the team/ roster got a major overhaul...hmm. Did Kubiak get a bunch of HEB coupons so Carr can keep his job. Capers is gone...why not Carr....he has been given chances. But if Carr did leave, who is stupid enough to take him in the NFL, Canada, or Europe?? Its still racial...don't let a black guy take the HEB off the table from Carr. Now is there a clearer picture here?

Its actually nothing to do with race really is it? You just don't like David Carr?
The team did get a major overhaul and I guess they must have only signed white players..............darn I am so stoopid! :sarcasm:

Kaiser Toro
05-05-2006, 09:29 AM
If Young/ Bush was here. Who would be the face/ leader of the team? Not a used Carr...2 major stars was passed up so a used Carr can still be in HEB commercials. But the rest of the team/ roster got a major overhaul...hmm. Did Kubiak get a bunch of HEB coupons so Carr can keep his job. Capers is gone...why not Carr....he has been given chances. But if Carr did leave, who is stupid enough to take him in the NFL, Canada, or Europe?? Its still racial...don't let a black guy take the HEB off the table from Carr. Now is there a clearer picture here?

I am with Mancunian about talking out your jacksey. I did not want that RB from USC or VY and have never been a fan of Carr. Carr is not marketable until he does something this year. Right now Drob and Mario can instantly be the flavors of the day if the D gets elevated and they contribute.

There is one face on this franchise iin the interim in my opinion and that is Kubiak.

Finger pointers like yourself deserve reciprocal behavior via the middle appendage. I know Mario is super, but did he change color since Saturday?

bigtex77
05-05-2006, 09:45 AM
Mario's black butt doesn't have a fan base at all, at a No 1 overated pick. Look at it this way, if Bush or Young were here, Texans jerseys alone would be sold out between Austin and Houston. And there would be sold out tickets to some David Carr jersey burning parties....But to keep his job, lets not hire someone really good to take the politics away from Carr...hmm. If I was V. Young do you think I would want to take tutoring from a used Carr how to lay on my back all the time. Race card still in play.

People who act ignorant really annoy me.

Kaiser Toro
05-05-2006, 09:47 AM
I have already answered the question, but to answer again - hell no! Capers and staff were just that bad or Kubiak is just that damn good. Cass does his job and it is up to the coach to execute and get the players to perform.

edo783
05-05-2006, 09:54 AM
People who act ignorant really annoy me.

Some how I doubt he is acting.

Bobo
05-05-2006, 10:24 AM
Mario's black butt doesn't have a fan base at all, at a No 1 overated pick. Look at it this way, if Bush or Young were here, Texans jerseys alone would be sold out between Austin and Houston. And there would be sold out tickets to some David Carr jersey burning parties....But to keep his job, lets not hire someone really good to take the politics away from Carr...hmm. If I was V. Young do you think I would want to take tutoring from a used Carr how to lay on my back all the time. Race card still in play.

V. Young has "a black butt" too. I for one don't see how the color of one's "butt" has anything to do with anything. This pretty well kills your whole argument as it shows you aren't being logical, rational or cogent.