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z0rpAn
10-05-2005, 07:22 AM
This team is 4 years old and yet the longest pass play we have so far this season is a measly 28 yarder. OPEN UP THE FIELD COACH. We have bradford and mathis who can haul butt and AJ who can catch a drop pass while being double teammed. Defenses blitz us so much and most of the time they don't have any safeties in the back field. We need fly routes and 3 step drops passes and it should force a lot of the blitzing to stop and MAKE teams play in the secondary and give Carr more time.

Theres an article about Harrington and Carr on nfl.com and it explains it clearly, dont have time to get the link, but its only a few days old.

Double Barrel
10-05-2005, 07:27 AM
You can't throw down field if the QB has just a second or two to throw a pass. There is not a consistent pocket for Carr to trust, so he can't make his reads when defenders are bearing down on him. Once position players start picking up blitzes and our O-line can push defenders (instead of being pushed), I think we'll see a more vertical game come into existence.

Then again, Capers and Pendry are not really known for high-powered offenses. Ball control is the name of the game, which requires a decent running attack. This is another aspect of long passes, making the defense respect the running game.

It'll take some time, but I think we'll see it. Pendry is preaching fundamentals, which is what everything else is built upon. Once he feels the team is solid on the basic stuff, he can add new wrinkles like passes longer than 15 yards.

TheOgre
10-05-2005, 07:35 AM
I will say that the offense looks best when Carr has 4 WR or 3 WR and a 1 TE spread out. It seems to open holes for DD as well. Carr seems in his element with an offense like this. He doesn't seem like a play-action type of QB. The problem is that Carr would take a pounding in that style of offense.

Coach C.
10-05-2005, 07:42 AM
the 3 wr set is our best set. It was and is our most productive set throughout this year. The situation is Carr usually does not have much time, but Pendry in the Bengals game started moving the pocket which helped Carr out alot. Not sure why he went away from it, but it could have been cause the defense was on the field so long on three drives (7+min.) that he felt they needed some rest.

GP
10-05-2005, 07:50 AM
Here's the link for the story:

Week Four Review: Carr & Harrington (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/8920408)

Pretty much sums up what I think most of us are thinking, don't you agree?

Coach C.
10-05-2005, 08:00 AM
Nice post, and to answer the question if Carr was Detroit's QB we would be pissed cause he would be having a great year.

GP
10-05-2005, 08:01 AM
The commentators said the same thing that Double Barrel is saying:

Carr needed to get confidence back again and Pendry at least provided Carr with the very vanilla pass plays that can establish in Carr's head that "Yes! I can complete a pass, even if it's for short yardage."

We all were in awe of the Carr-AJ hook up last season when Carr would lob it up and AJ would go get it and wrestle it out of the defenders' hands.

I said, and I can't prove it now, that "Yes" that was great, that was awesome. BUT...it was a huge red flag to me becuase it signaled (to me) that Carr would rely upon AJ's talent and subsequently begin to lose touch on his passes, thinking that all he had to do was chunk it and AJ would adjust and grab it. I was glad we made those clutch plays, but I was also concerned because I also was leary of that sort of mentality.

Well, Carr lobbed a few balls up against the Bills that looked bad as soon as it left his hand: High arc, slow delivery, and the ball even ended up falling out of bounds several yards. It was NOT what we are accustomed to from Carr, and I know that it freaked a lot of us out.

Basically, he got away from precision passing and he thought Aj or Bradford could make the play for him and pull this team out of a funk. When in reality, none of the team's defense care about playing our WRs deep because they are scouting Carr and they know he's losing his touch on deep passes, so they can just play the short stuff all day long and they can throw a safety to one side of the field to help the corner out on AJ or whoever the deep route is at the time. Key on the short routes, break on the three-step drop, and BAM-O! You've got a pretty solid defensive play on our team's QB/WR.

That's kinda' what I have been seeing lately. BUT, I think Pendry is definitely putting the brakes on ANY deep pass plays and he's just wanting to get Carr into some sort of rhythm where Pendry can (at some point) trust Carr to have a little more touch on those deep passes. With every dee pass that floats 10 yards out of bounds, etc., it cause a huge deflation of Carr, the WRs, and the team in general. We end up punting, and then Carr beats himself up about it for the rest of the game and can't connect on even a short curl or quick slant. The WRs lose confidence and drop balls because they, too, think the ball has no chance of being where it should be...and THAT is why Aj dropped so many balls.

|Mercury|
10-05-2005, 10:48 AM
it seemed to me that Pendry just decide to throw everything out and start over from scratch with the basics. As time goes on he probably will add stuff here and there as the offense becomes comfortable with it.

touttail
10-05-2005, 10:53 AM
The situation is Carr usually does not have much time, but Pendry in the Bengals game started moving the pocket which helped Carr out alot. Not sure why he went away from it, .

Coach C, I was dumbfounded that the first series Carr did a couple of roll out passes for good gains, 15-20 yards. Then Pendry just quit running the roll out pass plays.
Go figure. They should have run that play until the opposing D stopped it!

bobby 119C :brickwall

exclude
10-05-2005, 11:03 AM
The commentators said the same thing that Double Barrel is saying:

Carr needed to get confidence back again and Pendry at least provided Carr with the very vanilla pass plays that can establish in Carr's head that "Yes! I can complete a pass, even if it's for short yardage."

We all were in awe of the Carr-AJ hook up last season when Carr would lob it up and AJ would go get it and wrestle it out of the defenders' hands.

I said, and I can't prove it now, that "Yes" that was great, that was awesome. BUT...it was a huge red flag to me becuase it signaled (to me) that Carr would rely upon AJ's talent and subsequently begin to lose touch on his passes, thinking that all he had to do was chunk it and AJ would adjust and grab it. I was glad we made those clutch plays, but I was also concerned because I also was leary of that sort of mentality.

Well, Carr lobbed a few balls up against the Bills that looked bad as soon as it left his hand: High arc, slow delivery, and the ball even ended up falling out of bounds several yards. It was NOT what we are accustomed to from Carr, and I know that it freaked a lot of us out.

Basically, he got away from precision passing and he thought Aj or Bradford could make the play for him and pull this team out of a funk. When in reality, none of the team's defense care about playing our WRs deep because they are scouting Carr and they know he's losing his touch on deep passes, so they can just play the short stuff all day long and they can throw a safety to one side of the field to help the corner out on AJ or whoever the deep route is at the time. Key on the short routes, break on the three-step drop, and BAM-O! You've got a pretty solid defensive play on our team's QB/WR.

That's kinda' what I have been seeing lately. BUT, I think Pendry is definitely putting the brakes on ANY deep pass plays and he's just wanting to get Carr into some sort of rhythm where Pendry can (at some point) trust Carr to have a little more touch on those deep passes. With every dee pass that floats 10 yards out of bounds, etc., it cause a huge deflation of Carr, the WRs, and the team in general. We end up punting, and then Carr beats himself up about it for the rest of the game and can't connect on even a short curl or quick slant. The WRs lose confidence and drop balls because they, too, think the ball has no chance of being where it should be...and THAT is why Aj dropped so many balls.

Wait, I don't understand the logic here.

If Carr had success throwing deep last year, then its BAD cause (according to your logic), "Carr would rely upon AJ's talent and subsequently begin to lose touch on his passes, thinking that all he had to do was chunk it and AJ would adjust and grab it. " What?!!?!? Carr's going to lose his touch on passes because he successfully threw deep last year??? :wacko:

The one time that Carr has gone deep to *shudder* Bradford *shudder*, he dropped it. We haven't been able to go deep to Andre cause they double cover him. Teams shadow Andre, putting a safety over the top, knowing that all you need is a hand in Bradford's face and he'll probably drop it.

Lets just pray that Carr doesn't completely lose it like Harrington, cause if you look at Harrington, 4 yard dump offs are an adventure with that guy.

Texas
10-05-2005, 04:52 PM
I agree we need to have a more aggresive team overall. Not just the defense not just the offense but the whole thing including the Coaches

MorKnolle
10-06-2005, 06:20 AM
The OL frequently does't block very well for Carr, but a big part of the problem is our conservative play calling. The first game or two we ran a bunch of mass-protect where we basically had two receivers running routes and everyone else blocking. Sure this leaves extra blockers in there, but when they rush 7-8 guys eventually someone will get thru, and if we only have two receivers running routes it's easy to cover them and leave Carr with no passing option. The offense has by far looked it's best in 3 or 4 receiver sets when we spread the defense out. That way if they do blitz we have many more passing options that are spread out across the field and harder to cover, but if two TEs and a RB are all sitting back further clogging the pocket as 8 defensive players converge on them then Carr doesn't have much of a chance to do anything with it.

rmartin65
10-06-2005, 06:34 AM
i really dont like conservative play. the texans do not have the d for it.

Kaiser Toro
10-06-2005, 06:49 AM
If you want to be in games this year we will have to be conservative in every approach. The only players that I see on this team that you can allow to do what ever they want (be creative) are AJ, Dunta and Mathis. They are our only playmakers, other than that, keep it simple.

HomeBred_Texan
10-06-2005, 07:17 AM
I agree we need to have a more aggresive team overall. Not just the defense not just the offense but the whole thing including the Coaches
The whole team needs to be aggressive. More blitzes and more long passes. I still don't see the Texans doing "timed" passes where Carr throws to an area and the WR runs under it or is suppose to be there. Usually I see a WR standing in a spot and Carr hitting him. Pop Warner ball if ya ask me..

Texans Horror
10-06-2005, 07:24 AM
They should mix it up a bit. I mean, heck, it's not like they are in the position to lose anything, so they might as well experiment.

z0rpAn
10-06-2005, 07:32 AM
Bengals game sacks(7):
2 from safeties
2 from linemen(both RE and LE)
3 from linebackers(only 1 for the MLB)

Pitts game sacks(8):
3 from Poma(SS)
2 from the right cornerback position
3 from LBS(both outside linebackers positions)

Bills game sacks(5):
3 from Ends
2 from LB

Overall sacks(20)
5 from safeties
5 from linemen
2 from cornerback
8 from linebackers(mostly outside LBs)

our teams ratios(the "-"s are negatives, not bullets):
-16 sacks
-7 turnovers
-3 TDs
-9 FGs

im sorry, but with this conservative way, I don't see us going anywhere at all. Expecially when we tend to play competitive games into the 4th quarter, and the only plays during the 2 minute drill are 5 yard passes right in the middle of the field.

HomeBred_Texan
10-06-2005, 07:36 AM
Those are some nice stats. And I agree with you 100%..

Bullpen Drew
10-06-2005, 08:01 AM
Just let me throw the damn ball!

HoustonHarley
10-06-2005, 11:29 AM
Alright, I am going to say it now.......


We start the game this week against the Titans with a long pass play down the sidelines for a TD! It brings back memories of 19-10 and we are happy once again.

z0rpAn
10-11-2005, 10:54 AM
Upto Date:

Bengals game sacks(7):
2 from safeties
2 from linemen(both RE and LE)
3 from linebackers(only 1 for the MLB)

Pitts game sacks(8):
3 from Poma(SS)
2 from the right cornerback position
3 from LBS(both outside linebackers positions)

Bills game sacks(5):
3 from Ends
2 from LB

Titans Game Sacks(7):
6 from defensive line
1 from Linebacker

Overall sacks(27)
5 from safeties
11 from linemen
2 from cornerback
9 from linebackers(mostly outside LBs)

our teams ratios(the "-"s are negatives, not bullets):
-23 sacks
-8 turnovers
-6 TDs
-7 FGs

Bobo
10-11-2005, 10:58 AM
This team is 4 years old and yet the longest pass play we have so far this season is a measly 28 yarder. OPEN UP THE FIELD COACH. We have bradford and mathis who can haul butt and AJ who can catch a drop pass while being double teammed. Defenses blitz us so much and most of the time they don't have any safeties in the back field. We need fly routes and 3 step drops passes and it should force a lot of the blitzing to stop and MAKE teams play in the secondary and give Carr more time.

Theres an article about Harrington and Carr on nfl.com and it explains it clearly, dont have time to get the link, but its only a few days old.

Open it up and you increase the already intolerable amount of sacks suffered. Don't you get it? Teams don't have to blitz the Texans to get pressure -- they get it done with just three guys!

Bobo
10-11-2005, 11:00 AM
>Pendry is preaching fundamentals, which is what everything else is built >upon.

Pendry may be part of the problem, not the answer. Remember what his job was before replacing Palmer?

Bobo
10-11-2005, 11:02 AM
The whole team needs to be aggressive. More blitzes and more long passes. I still don't see the Texans doing "timed" passes where Carr throws to an area and the WR runs under it or is suppose to be there. Usually I see a WR standing in a spot and Carr hitting him. Pop Warner ball if ya ask me..

No time to throw long passes and no time to throw time passes. The Texans do blitz, but it's picked up all the time.