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run-david-run
10-02-2005, 11:16 PM
Just heard on Fox Sports this ref that blew our call was the guy who called Brady's fumble an incomplete pass! You have to say, if Brady's was not a fumble, than therer is no way that Carr's was a fumble. Unbelivable that the same guy made that call. Really is no excuse, you look at tape for 3 minutes and you call that a fumble :dangit:

I'm out, the more I think abut it the madder I get...

UGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

aliaspgk
10-03-2005, 12:32 AM
I sat with my mouth open just really not knowing how to react. After they began to review the Carr tuck play I watched one replay and happily turned quickly to the Astros game with 100% assurance that when I turned back it we would still have the ball. Apart from holding and PI calls (which are totally subjective for the most part) I dont understand how you could have absoutle IRREFUTABLE evidence that his hand was still on the ball and it was going forward...for christs sake the ball went forward 5 yards. I just cant believe this isnt a bigger deal to anyone, ESPN and other highlight shows. We got absoultely robbed...that was our chance at the game winning drive (with no timeouts and no protection even on prevent you cant honestly expect us to go 80+ in 50 seconds without getting really lucky at the end of the game). I just sat motionless not really knowing how to react to that-even if we hadnt moved the ball after that we punt and its still a 3 point game with 4 minutes and a timeout and a shot for us to stop them on defense. I am still speechless and I have to imagine there must be some kind of former NFL apology issued tomorrow. If someone thinks Im wrong I would like to hear it because I still sick to my stomach.

HJam72
10-03-2005, 12:41 AM
If you don't want to have this problem, don't root for Houston teams. It's a stigma or something. I have my theories, but the fact is that Houston teams are always mistreated by refs, umps, whatever. Same reason they're always disrespected by the media. The media would love Carr (California) if he didn't play in Houston.

LBC_Justin
10-03-2005, 12:48 AM
If you don't want to have this problem, don't root for Houston teams. It's a stigma or something. I have my theories, but the fact is that Houston teams are always mistreated by refs, umps, whatever. Same reason they're always disrespected by the media. The media would love Carr (California) if he didn't play in Houston.Funny thing is people in California think their is a bias against the West Coast by the East Coast media.

The Texans did get robbed of an opportunity to win the game.

HJam72
10-03-2005, 12:50 AM
Funny thing is people in California think their is a bias against the West Coast by the East Coast media.

They're probably right, but only when they play against the east coast specifically and not to near the extent that Houston gets it, IMO.

HoustonFan
10-03-2005, 12:57 AM
Well, f the media and the refs and anyone else hating and disrespecting Houston teams. This definitely isn't the first time a bogus call like that was made against a team from Houston. But whatever. The refs and media can get booed like Sports Illustrated here in Houston.

Elite
10-03-2005, 01:03 AM
I tought the call could of gone either way but the Houston should of not put them self in a situation were one ball call decides the game wich the way we were playing we would of been lucky to get a field at best. this style of conservitve football is not going to win games for us.

Malloy
10-03-2005, 01:52 AM
If you don't want to have this problem, don't root for Houston teams. It's a stigma or something. I have my theories, but the fact is that Houston teams are always mistreated by refs, umps, whatever. Same reason they're always disrespected by the media. The media would love Carr (California) if he didn't play in Houston.

you've been watching too many x-files episodes :)

Cheroqui
10-03-2005, 01:56 AM
I I just cant believe this isnt a bigger deal to anyone, ESPN and other highlight shows.

They never do. I get pissed because I'll want to see or hear what they have to say and they give us no press, absolutely no coverage at all. They do week to week on NFL channel and still don't talk about the team like they do the others. Either they don't mention us at all, or breeze through the team we have to play/played.

Youngstown Colt
10-03-2005, 02:33 AM
They never do. I get pissed because I'll want to see or hear what they have to say and they give us no press, absolutely no coverage at all. They do week to week on NFL channel and still don't talk about the team like they do the others. Either they don't mention us at all, or breeze through the team we have to play/played.But it works both ways. David Carr should be getting raked over by the nat'l media the way Tim Couch was, but he's been given a pass.

Sure, they didn't make a big deal out of the call (and they should have) but they also aren't saying anything about Carr's lack of progression (which they should)

I get the feeling that the nat'l media honestly doesn't care about this team. Of course, they will when you start winning, but right now they put your team as a footnote every chance they get.

ledzeppelin229
10-03-2005, 03:05 AM
I get the feeling that the nat'l media honestly doesn't care about this team. Of course, they will when you start winning, but right now they put your team as a footnote every chance they get.

That's exactly it. It's the same story for every Houston franchise. We are almost always in the shadow of Yankees, Red Sox, Lakers, Patriots, Eagles, etc. Even our winning teams are on the second page compared to those teams. I remember a timeline of the NBA mentioned a bunch of teams winning championships, and had the Bulls etc on there, but not a single mention of Houstons back to backs. It didn't even surprise me, to be honest. The reason Carr has been given a free pass for so long is partially because the media "experts" care so little about this team that getting their facts straight or putting intelligent backing into their opinions, really isn't that important.

Crank_It_Up
10-03-2005, 03:56 AM
That call was just one of many bad calls today on both sides... one of the worst called games I've ever seen. Holding where there was no holding, pass interference where there was no pass interference.... amazing.

If the refs are gonna party like that the night before a game, they should at least have the courtesy to invite us.

touttail
10-03-2005, 04:47 AM
I sat with my mouth open just really not knowing how to react. After they began to review the Carr tuck play I watched one replay and happily turned quickly to the Astros game with 100% assurance that when I turned back it we would still have the ball. Apart from holding and PI calls (which are totally subjective for the most part) I dont understand how you could have absoutle IRREFUTABLE evidence that his hand was still on the ball and it was going forward...for christs sake the ball went forward 5 yards. I just cant believe this isnt a bigger deal to anyone, ESPN and other highlight shows. We got absoultely robbed...that was our chance at the game winning drive (with no timeouts and no protection even on prevent you cant honestly expect us to go 80+ in 50 seconds without getting really lucky at the end of the game). I just sat motionless not really knowing how to react to that-even if we hadnt moved the ball after that we punt and its still a 3 point game with 4 minutes and a timeout and a shot for us to stop them on defense. I am still speechless and I have to imagine there must be some kind of former NFL apology issued tomorrow. If someone thinks Im wrong I would like to hear it because I still sick to my stomach.

????? It had to do with the inimidation of being on Cincy's home field. Myself, the Texan offense,along with every TV comentator, radio comentators, fans, my dogs and cats, thought it was a forward pass. His arm was going forward, his hand still on the ball, and the ball went straight out and hit a lineman. Go figure how that ***** could call that play a fumble. It took the game away from us, knocked the wind out of our sails. BTW-they said that was the same crew that screwed up the "famous coin toss" too! Tar and feather them I say!!!!!!!

bobby119C :brickwall

touttail
10-03-2005, 05:20 AM
It was also the same Ref who bumbled the coin toss in the Super Bowl.

bobby 119C :brickwall

WhoDeyBengals
10-03-2005, 09:37 AM
There were bad calls on both teams. That intentional grounding penalty was a b.s. call that you guys got. Probably saved a touchdown. The procedure penalty that brought back the TD was b.s. Saved you another score. Guys, I agree that you got a bad call on the turnover, but come on. Get over it.

Without the zebras, you guys would have been beat worse. :penalty:

the wonger need food
10-03-2005, 10:19 AM
But it works both ways. David Carr should be getting raked over by the nat'l media the way Tim Couch was, but he's been given a pass.

Sure, they didn't make a big deal out of the call (and they should have) but they also aren't saying anything about Carr's lack of progression (which they should)

That is a great point. Harrington, Boller and several other young QB's are criticized when they play poorly, but for some reason Carr gets a pass.

MorKnolle
10-03-2005, 10:38 AM
The reffing was horrible the whole game and the Bengals definitely got the overall benefit of it but the Texans still didn't make a few key plays here and there when we needed it. That pass interference on Faggins that set up the Bengals only TD was garbage, and the fumble at the end was probably the worst call I've seen in an NFL game, possibly topped only by the infamous tuck rule that allowed the Patriots to get into the Super Bowl, and it was the same referee that made the call. I have to assume the ref didn't want to admit that he blew the call, but either way if our O-lineman had fallen on the ball rather than standing there and letting the Bengals get it then we wouldn't be arguing about it anyways. It hurts that our possible game-tying or winning drive was taken away from us like that and that the pass interference gave them a first down at the one yard line in the first half, but we still didn't make quite enough plays to win this one. We have the Titans coming in town this weekend and with the offense looking much improved this should be a great game for us against the Titans poor defense, and then we get to go to Seattle to face an equally poor defense, so we should win these next two and be back on track.

ojthecat
10-03-2005, 10:39 AM
There were bad calls on both teams. That intentional grounding penalty was a b.s. call that you guys got. Probably saved a touchdown. The procedure penalty that brought back the TD was b.s. Saved you another score. Guys, I agree that you got a bad call on the turnover, but come on. Get over it.

Without the zebras, you guys would have been beat worse. :penalty:


The calls that you speak of were in fact penalties. The procedure call was an illegal formation call and was correct the wr covered the te. The Grounding was grounding because the ball did not get back to the line. The fact is these are the rules. The fumble that was bs.

MorKnolle
10-03-2005, 10:40 AM
as for that intentional grounding, it was a good call because he ran back at least very close to within the tackles and the ball came no where near the line of scrimmage and no Bengal receiver was within 15 yards of it, not to mention the line got away with a hold on Peek on that play.

Scooter
10-03-2005, 10:43 AM
There were bad calls on both teams. That intentional grounding penalty was a b.s. call that you guys got. Probably saved a touchdown. The procedure penalty that brought back the TD was b.s. Saved you another score. Guys, I agree that you got a bad call on the turnover, but come on. Get over it.

Without the zebras, you guys would have been beat worse. :penalty:

it was bad on both sides. the grounding & procedural calls you mentioned, the "fumble", the pass interference by faggins, the bogus holding calls & non calls (steinbech got flagged during a textbook block and shortly after no call as a lineman is BEHIND payne with his arms around his stomach) & weak offensive pass interference calls on both teams. we can only complain now about what could've been, but it could've been a very good game.

Scooter
10-03-2005, 10:45 AM
as for that intentional grounding, it was a good call because he ran back at least very close to within the tackles and the ball came no where near the line of scrimmage and no Bengal receiver was within 15 yards of it, not to mention the line got away with a hold on Peek on that play.

i'll concede the grounding call because there was infact a receiver in the area.

tulexan
10-03-2005, 10:45 AM
It was a great call. I mean all fumbles spiral for 5 yards. I actually went back and looked at the game. It turns out that Carr didn't have 1 fumble, he had 9 more that the ref missed. Some were so bad that they landed 20-30 yards away from him. I guess we got lucky

BREAZE
10-03-2005, 10:51 AM
Never underestimate the power of Vegas...

TD
10-03-2005, 10:58 AM
I just cant believe this isnt a bigger deal to anyone, ESPN and other highlight shows.

I saw the play on ESPN and Tom Jackson went on a 20 second rant about how terrible the call was. What do you want them to do; devote a whole Sportscenter to it and demand an investigation from the commissioners office?

The Texans have enought problems without worrying about perceived media slights.

WhoDeyBengals
10-03-2005, 11:21 AM
The calls that you speak of were in fact penalties. The procedure call was an illegal formation call and was correct the wr covered the te. The Grounding was grounding because the ball did not get back to the line. The fact is these are the rules. The fumble that was bs.

Um, on the grounding penalty, you're 100% wrong. Rudi Johnson was within 5 yards of where the ball landed. Take your homer blinders off.

WhoDeyBengals
10-03-2005, 11:21 AM
Never underestimate the power of Vegas...

Texans beat the spread. I don't think this is a fair statement.

chuckm
10-03-2005, 11:25 AM
Um, on the grounding penalty, you're 100% wrong. Rudi Johnson was within 5 yards of where the ball landed. Take your homer blinders off.

1. Intentional grounding of a forward pass is a foul: loss of down and 10 yards from previous spot if passer is in the field of play or loss of down at the spot of the foul if it occurs more than 10 yards behind the line or safety if passer is in his own end zone when ball is released.

2. Intentional grounding will be called when a passer, facing an imminent loss of yardage due to pressure from the defense, throws a forward pass without a realistic chance of completion.

3. Intentional grounding will not be called when a passer, while out of the pocket and facing an imminent loss of yardage, throws a pass that lands at or beyond the line of scrimmage, even if no offensive player(s) have a realistic chance to catch the ball (including if the ball lands out of bounds over the sideline or end line).

Would you say Rudi Johnson had a realistic chance of catching the pass?

Bottle-O-Bud
10-03-2005, 11:29 AM
Okay robbed by the ref or robbed by todd wade who got schooled by atleast 2 steps by that cincy player.......... :challenge :challenge

Exascor
10-03-2005, 11:30 AM
Um, on the grounding penalty, you're 100% wrong. Rudi Johnson was within 5 yards of where the ball landed. Take your homer blinders off.On the replay it did show Rudi coming back for the ball. I'm not sure where he was when Palmer threw it but he did end up within 10 yards of the ball. I felt that that call kinda washed with the PI call on Faggins. Faggins had good coverage. Both were bad calls IMO.

All of the calls pale compared to one where the officials had 2 chances to get it right and failed both times.

Runner
10-03-2005, 11:44 AM
Okay robbed by the ref or robbed by todd wade who got schooled by atleast 2 steps by that cincy player.......... :challenge :challenge


Didn't you read the feature article in the Chronicle during training camp? Todd Wade is so good he doesn't even have to compete for a starting position. According to that write-up, we're solid at RT, LT is the only problem.

BREAZE
10-03-2005, 11:48 AM
Texans beat the spread. I don't think this is a fair statement.
...and if the Bengals had capitalized with a TD?

WhoDeyBengals
10-03-2005, 11:53 AM
1. Intentional grounding of a forward pass is a foul: loss of down and 10 yards from previous spot if passer is in the field of play or loss of down at the spot of the foul if it occurs more than 10 yards behind the line or safety if passer is in his own end zone when ball is released.

2. Intentional grounding will be called when a passer, facing an imminent loss of yardage due to pressure from the defense, throws a forward pass without a realistic chance of completion.

3. Intentional grounding will not be called when a passer, while out of the pocket and facing an imminent loss of yardage, throws a pass that lands at or beyond the line of scrimmage, even if no offensive player(s) have a realistic chance to catch the ball (including if the ball lands out of bounds over the sideline or end line).

Would you say Rudi Johnson had a realistic chance of catching the pass?

The measure of whether or not an offensive player has a realistic chance of catching the ball is determined by whether or not there are any eligible players in the vicinity of where the pass lands. The Bengals had a player in the vicinity of where the pass landed. Therefore, the intentional grounding penalty was a bad call.

Furthermore, the pass interference penalty on Faggins was a questionable call - but there were so many ticky tack penalties called in this game, I'm angry for both sides. That officiating staff needs to be dragged into the streets of Houston and beaten severely. Preferably by a firing squad armed with penalty flags (those things hurt if you get hit with one!).

Anyhow - good luck with the rest of your season.

WhoDeyBengals
10-03-2005, 11:54 AM
...and if the Bengals had capitalized with a TD?
Did that happen?

I hear a lot of "what if"'s here.

TEXANS84
10-03-2005, 11:55 AM
The measure of whether or not an offensive player has a realistic chance of catching the ball is determined by whether or not there are any eligible players in the vicinity of where the pass lands. The Bengals had a player in the vicinity of where the pass landed. Therefore, the intentional grounding penalty was a bad call.


Remember, the pass never made it past the line of scrimmage. That call was questionable as well, but it wasn't as blatantly horrible of a call as the fumble.

Vinny
10-03-2005, 11:56 AM
Remember, the pass never made it past the line of scrimmage. That call was questionable as well, but it wasn't as blatantly horrible of a call as the fumble.It doesn't have to if an eligible receiver is in the area...and there was.

covcath1
10-03-2005, 12:00 PM
At least you all didn't have to see Carr taking more sacks if they would have kept possesion. It was like your offensive line had stopped playing the last few drives.

BREAZE
10-03-2005, 12:12 PM
Did that happen?

I hear a lot of "what if"'s here.

Typical response from the benefactor.

"What if's" result from doubts. Doubts result from refs reviewing a play and trying to explain "we did not see what we saw". To be fair I'm not suggesting its 100% Vegas, but I am saying its unfortunate you have to consider these things when stunts like yesterday are pulled.

Now if you were equally fair you might agree that refs don't have 100% control of the outcome. You are correct...the Bengals did not score a TD, but the opportunity was there and put on a silver platter!

TEXANS84
10-03-2005, 01:02 PM
http://www.bengals.com/assets/default/gallery051002-15.jpg

Vinny
10-03-2005, 01:04 PM
That shot looks more like a fumble than an inc pass. The ball didn't come out until the elbow was already hit.

CinciBengals03
10-03-2005, 01:05 PM
stop complaining about one play, I agree with the refs when there wasn't enough evidence to overturn the call. It looks more like he's pushing the ball with his palm without his fingers even around it... thus is being a fumble. The bengals got screwed on big plays as well, it really does even out.

Runner
10-03-2005, 01:06 PM
At least Carr's tackles were close by to support him. (See previous picture)

ledzeppelin229
10-03-2005, 01:11 PM
I went over the "fumble/inc pass" and it seems to me like his arm was moving forward at contact. He was trying to get a pass off, it shouldn't be relevant if it goes 1 yard or 100. He couldn't get any kind of follow through though so the pass was extremely weak and his hand hit it as it left his possesion. I still think it was an incomplete pass.

Rudi Johnson was "kind of" in the area, but honestly he comes in at the end of the frame after Palmer has drilled it into the dirt. He wasn't trying to complete a pass at all. He was trying to bail himself out of a sack after trying to do his best Vick impression.

Vinny
10-03-2005, 01:13 PM
Rudi Johnson was "kind of" in the area, but honestly he comes in at the end of the frame after Palmer has drilled it into the dirt. He wasn't trying to complete a pass at all. He was trying to bail himself out of a sack after trying to do his best Vick impression.That's a homer take. Reverse it and you say Carr has a guy in the area. Everyone dumps passes like that. :homer:

TEXANS84
10-03-2005, 01:16 PM
That's a homer take. Reverse it and you say Carr has a guy in the area. Everyone dumps passes like that. :homer:

Actually, watch the NFL films highlights of the game yesterday on the Texans front page. You'd be surprised at how far back Rudi was at the time. I'd say at least 10+ yards, and its decieving because he was running towards the ball bouncing.

It also has good slowed down version of the Carr fumble from different angles.

Vinny
10-03-2005, 01:17 PM
10 yards is close enough. I argued a play with a wider miss with Carr at hpf on my week 1 playsheet, there was really not a need for INT grounding on that one or this one (carr wasn't called on the one I'm talking about but he missed by a wider margin).

Texans Horror
10-03-2005, 01:25 PM
If you squint your eyes and turn your head to the right (and don't forget to dim the lights), then - wait. nope. still looks like an incomplete pass.

Texans Horror
10-03-2005, 01:58 PM
They never do. I get pissed because I'll want to see or hear what they have to say and they give us no press, absolutely no coverage at all. They do week to week on NFL channel and still don't talk about the team like they do the others. Either they don't mention us at all, or breeze through the team we have to play/played.

I understand that Detroit had a worse situation than we did, where the receiver caught the ball for a touchdown, but the instant replay overruled the TD. http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/writers/peter_king/10/03/mmqb.week4/index.html

I think this is the reason Houston's instant replay woes are being ignored.

BREAZE
10-03-2005, 01:58 PM
Which part of the ball, arm, or hand did not go forward? Its really amusing that some can defend the call or that there are that many fans unfamiliar with the rule book. Its like saying there was no facemask after watching a slow motion replay of someone getting their head ripped off by the facemask...nope, play stands. The refs had been proven earlier that they were blind with a challenge. Maybe the ego could not take 2 for 2? Another motive perhaps? If this game was the primetime game would the same call had been made?

Once the zebra looked at the replay beyond 30 sec.s it was quite clear he was more concerned with the proper spot and we were about to get the shaft. I changed the station to the Stros to avoid hearing the ref explain that the sky is really purple...

thegr8fan
10-03-2005, 02:00 PM
what everyone is missing in this analysis is this IT IS THE SAME REFERREE WHO HAS NOW SCREWED UP NOT ONCE(Brady incomplete pass/fumble), NOT TWICE (coin toss debacle), BUT NOW, THREE TIMES(Carr incomplete pass/fumble)---AND HE IS STILL COLLECTING A PAYCHECK AFTER EVERY GAME

Until the NFL has full time Referee's who actually are accountable and the NFL is willing to actually FIRE one of them for incompetence, this will continue. Talk about a 'Good ol Boys club' of looking the other way group of imbeciles.

BREAZE
10-03-2005, 02:03 PM
I understand that Detroit had a worse situation than we did, where the receiver caught the ball for a touchdown, but the instant replay overruled the TD. http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/writers/peter_king/10/03/mmqb.week4/index.html

I think this is the reason Houston's instant replay woes are being ignored.


Why can't instant replay be used in the way it's supposed to be used. I'm beginning to think its for commercial purposes only. Its tainted year in and year out. Is this the NFL or boxing?

htownhitman
10-03-2005, 02:28 PM
Concerning the tuck rule, and the other rules concerning fumbles and forward passes:

EITHER THE RULES THEMSELVES, OR THE OFFICALS' INTERPRETATIONS OF THE RULES, ARE SERIOUSLY, COMPLETELY, *****ED!!!

THE NFL's INCOMPETENCE AND INDIFFERENCE ARE COSTING TEAMS GAMES AND CHAMPIONSHIPS.

FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, PLEASE GET THE DAMN RULES FIXED!!!

TheOgre
10-03-2005, 02:43 PM
stop complaining about one play, I agree with the refs when there wasn't enough evidence to overturn the call. It looks more like he's pushing the ball with his palm without his fingers even around it... thus is being a fumble. The bengals got screwed on big plays as well, it really does even out.

Regardless of when his arm was hit, the ball doesn't leave his hand until it is far into the throwing motion. It was CLEARLY not a fumble, and I would be stunned if the league didn't apologize to the Texans later this week. The ESPN crew (Chris Berman, Tom Jackson, etc.) show even agreed it was a bad call.

There were questionable calls throughout the game that went both ways, but this call came at such a crutial time and situation that it determined the final outcome. I'm not saying that the Texans would have gone down and gotten a FG or TD, but they weren't even given a chance with that mistake. That call all but ended the game, whereas the other mistakes the refs made could be overcome much more easily.

Doug
10-03-2005, 03:17 PM
I understand everyone is upset about the call (I was, too), but we should've never let this game come down to one bad call to determine a win or loss for us. I felt there were bad calls on both sides of the ball and this one just happened at a more crucial time than the others. It was a big and bad call but I don't hear anyone else talking about the other factors involved that stopped us from winning this game. For some reason in the second half our offense completely got away from the rollouts and other similar pass plays that had helped us move the ball at will against their defense in the first half. They never showed they could stop it so why did we get away from it? The last drive of the game the offense had a complete meltdown in the last minute with sacks and penalties. You can say (which I've seen some people already mention) that the previous bad call had alot to do with the Offenses bad state but if that's the case then it shows me that this team doesn't have the character to overcome these type of situations which there will be plenty more of. To blame this whole game on one bad call is outrageous, and as I recall, although there wasn't near as much time we still had a chance to take it to the house and the offense completely fell apart. JMO

covcath1
10-03-2005, 03:32 PM
what would the down and distance after the phantom fumble.?.Yes, I'm a Bengal fan and thought it was an incomplete pass.. But, I think it would have been 3rd and 13....not exactly a guaranteed first down...I would have liked to see how the Bengals would have responded if the call went the other way.

TheOgre
10-03-2005, 03:33 PM
I understand everyone is upset about the call (I was, too), but we should've never let this game come down to one bad call to determine a win or loss for us.

I hear this a lot and I think it is league and media propaganda at work. It is a saying we have heard so much, that we just blindly accept it. The difference between good teams and bad teams is the ability to win these close games. If you look at the Patriots over the past few years, they have had several close wins, including all 3 of their Super Bowls. One or two plays can mean the difference between winning or losing.

In this case, the major play that cost us this game was a bad call from the refs. If we had gone on to win this game, it could have propelled us like the Chief's win last year. Instead, we are staring at an 0-3 start for the first time in our history. I would have liked to have seen if Carr and Co. could have gotten those next 35-40 yards to get into FG range, or better yet gotten a TD. It might not have happened, but we were all cheated out of that opportunity by a bad call. If we start out 0-8/1-7 or something horrible like that, I am going to look back at this game and wonder what could have been.

Doug
10-03-2005, 03:54 PM
While I respect your opinion I don't agree with it at all. I don't feel I'm blindly accepting anything. I watched the game and saw several other things that we should be blaming for this loss rather than one bad call. As horrible as this game went (penalties, sacks, etc) all it took was one controversial thing to get everyone upset and to point the finger at. You can sit here and say "what if" all day but that scenario could be used for almost every call made throughout the game. There were several other penalties in this game that could've changed the outcome, but that would be the players fault, not the refs so we don't want to do that. (Sarcasm)

cosmocon
10-03-2005, 04:03 PM
Dear Texan Fan,

I'm a die-hard Bengals fan but I have to admit, you guys got jobbed! The officiating was suspect the entire game and many of the bad calls went against the Bengals but that fumble call should have been corrected with the replay and wasn't. I saw NO way that could not be seen as an incomplete pass. I have to rate it as one of the Top 10 Colossal Blown Calls that I have ever seen. Just so you know, most Bengal fans DO recognize that the Texans got shafted on that and are shocked because for the past 15 years, those calls usually went against us.

Anyway, I didn't think the Texans looked too bad at all. A great effort by your O-Coordinator for a mid-season first game! Scared the hell out of me! Good luck through the rest of the season!

Apologetically Yours,
Random Cincy Bengal Fan

P.S. Glad the Stros edged out the Phillies and will be pulling for them to beat
out the Braves and, hopefully, Cards and freaking Yanks or Sox!

infantrycak
10-03-2005, 04:51 PM
what would the down and distance after the phantom fumble.?.Yes, I'm a Bengal fan and thought it was an incomplete pass.. But, I think it would have been 3rd and 13....not exactly a guaranteed first down...I would have liked to see how the Bengals would have responded if the call went the other way.

It was a 1st and 10 play so it would have become a 2nd and 10 play. Not a gimme, but certainly a solid chance.

dalemurphy
10-03-2005, 04:58 PM
It was a 1st and 10 play so it would have become a 2nd and 10 play. Not a gimme, but certainly a solid chance.


We're a bad team with very little fan support around the country. We can expect calls to go against us until that changes.

Buzz
10-03-2005, 07:18 PM
what everyone is missing in this analysis is this IT IS THE SAME REFERREE WHO HAS NOW SCREWED UP NOT ONCE(Brady incomplete pass/fumble), NOT TWICE (coin toss debacle), BUT NOW, THREE TIMES(Carr incomplete pass/fumble)---AND HE IS STILL COLLECTING A PAYCHECK AFTER EVERY GAME

I say it's three strikes and he's out- hopefully somebody with the NFL will be smart and find a way to get rid of the guy without having to make the rest of the refs look bad and piss off whoever represents them, because I think that's what they're scared of.

Until the NFL has full time Referee's who actually are accountable and the NFL is willing to actually FIRE one of them for incompetence, this will continue. Talk about a 'Good ol Boys club' of looking the other way group of imbeciles.

I hate that PC-BS idea some people have, that the worst guy can still have a job because he's been a part of your group for a while and he's one of your good buddies.
I'm glad he doesn't work at a nuclear power plant or something, because he sounds like the type of guy who would eventually cause a disaster because of making the wrong decisions. (that's sarcasm if you can't tell)

LBC_Justin
10-03-2005, 07:43 PM
That is a great point. Harrington, Boller and several other young QB's are criticized when they play poorly, but for some reason Carr gets a pass.ummm if you guys think Carr is getting a pass you don't listen to NFL radio. They treat Carr and the Texans like garbage.....well, especially Shannon Sharpe. Not that it matters what Sharpe says, the guy is an idot and a racist.

TheOgre
10-03-2005, 07:44 PM
IT IS THE SAME REFERREE WHO HAS NOW SCREWED UP NOT ONCE(Brady incomplete pass/fumble), NOT TWICE (coin toss debacle), BUT NOW, THREE TIMES(Carr incomplete pass/fumble)---AND HE IS STILL COLLECTING A PAYCHECK AFTER EVERY GAME


He botched the coin toss and the Carr fumble, but I don't think he messed up on the Brady pass. That is the rule and it has been called for years. It just wasn't well known to the public. While you could make a case that the rule itself needs to go, you really cannot say that the ref botched the call in that New England/Oakland game.

touttail
10-05-2005, 06:26 AM
There were bad calls on both teams. That intentional grounding penalty was a b.s. call that you guys got. Probably saved a touchdown. The procedure penalty that brought back the TD was b.s. Saved you another score. Guys, I agree that you got a bad call on the turnover, but come on. Get over it.

Without the zebras, you guys would have been beat worse. :penalty:

Wrong, Petey Faggins got a bad pass interference call in the endzone that was BS, that put you guys on the 1 yard line. That gave you another TD! This would cancel out your intentioning ground that could have been a TD.

bobby 119C :texflag: