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keyfro
05-03-2004, 07:21 PM
they traded out of the 1st round to get these players:

bob sanders ss iowa
ben hartsock te ohio st.
gilbert gardner olb pur
kendyll pope olb fsu
jason david cb wsu
jake scott ot idaho
von hutchins cb miss
jim sorgi qb wis
david kimball k psu

their first two picks are horrible...how many safeties and tight ends do they need?...these were not the bpa when they picked either...all in all the indy fans have to be upset by these picks...they really needed a solid corner and some DL help

keyfro
05-03-2004, 07:21 PM
how do you also think this will affect them this year and down the road?

HoustonTexansAreTheBest
05-03-2004, 07:26 PM
It shouldn't affect them. They bettered their defense, and added some depth on offense. I'm sure Dungy knows what to do on defense. Plus, they have a good OC over there in Moore. They still have Manning, E James, Harrison, Pollard. A good team, and they just added onto it with the draft.

keyfro
05-03-2004, 07:33 PM
well that is for this year...but they also have to find away to re-sign marvin harrison and e-james this offseason...it just seems to me that they would have been better off picking players at positions that they didn't have that much depth at...safety and tight end have to be some of their deepest positions

HoustonTexansAreTheBest
05-03-2004, 07:40 PM
Well maybe they have much bigger plans that you don't know of. Maybe there focusing on a year at a time. I wouldn't be surprised to see them go to the Super Bowl this year as long as they stay healthy.

Fiddy
05-03-2004, 09:28 PM
The Colts had, argubly, the least productive draft in the entire NFL. But keyfro made a good point, they have to resign their Franchise's favorite WR and one of the best in the business in Harrison.

pittbull
05-04-2004, 08:22 AM
The Colts did nothing to improve their team. It was the defense that let them down for the last few years, and again they drafted no one of significance to aid the team. THis is great news for us, but for them Dungy needs to make some key trades to free up money and get a defense that can help Manning and Harrison out!

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
05-04-2004, 08:40 AM
the colts didnt draft anyone to put them over the top. they lost some players and they drafted some so its basically a wash.

Blake
05-04-2004, 11:22 AM
I think it was a horrible draft. Now they have 2 safetys that are 5'10 or smaller. I just cant believe some of the players they passed on. Some good talent.

TheOgre
05-04-2004, 11:48 AM
Dungy is all about speed. People questioned his drafting of Freeney, and we have all seen what he can do. I think the Colts draft differently than most teams because they have different needs on defense.

V Man
05-04-2004, 11:54 AM
I think the Colts did an excellent job drafting to help the Texans catch and replace them as the top team in the division within the next 3 years. Keep up the great work Dungy. :jumpbanan

Blake
05-04-2004, 12:01 PM
Dungy is all about speed. People questioned his drafting of Freeney, and we have all seen what he can do. I think the Colts draft differently than most teams because they have different needs on defense.

Different needs? like what? Smallish DB's? You better have one damn good defense to start drafting little safetys. And the last time I looked, people were destroying that D.

SBTexans08
05-04-2004, 12:15 PM
I give them 10 wins at most, and that's awfully generous. This would be due to the defense of course. The Colts defense wasn't strong last year and will be even worse this coming season IMO. They're going to open their season with a loss against the Pats. I think it'll be a blow out.

TheOgre
05-04-2004, 12:25 PM
That sounds more like wishful thinking than reality. I still think the Colts are the best in our division right now.

TheOgre
05-04-2004, 12:27 PM
BTW S Doss was very productive last year for the Colts. He definitely contributed more than Joppru did for us.

Blake
05-04-2004, 12:37 PM
BTW S Doss was very productive last year for the Colts. He definitely contributed more than Joppru did for us.

And that makes it ok? Because he was more productive than an injured player?

Besides, thats not the point. The point is that they have 2 very small Safetys. And with the players they lost over the last few months, and how poor their run defense was, makes you wonder why they did what they did.

keyfro
05-04-2004, 12:41 PM
well let me try and re-emphize the point i was trying to make...their run defense was horrible last year...besides freeney who is another solid starter on their DL?...monte reagor?...i'm a huge tech fan as ya'll know but he's not a quality starter...they lost marcus washington who was a great linebacker and who did they replace him with?...no one...the point is they didn't draft the positions they needed the most help at...which is great for us...cause in three years when they are getting hit hard with the cap problems of harrison, manning, and james we'll probably be able to pick up quality players from their team

clandestin
05-04-2004, 05:58 PM
Here's a video of the Colts' top pick, Sanders: http://homepage.mac.com/scothawk/iMovieTheater47.html

My first impression was pretty good, but when I watched it the second time around I have more doubts about how his game will translate to the NFL. If you notice throughout the video he doesn't wrap-up tackle, instead he propels himself headfirst into guys, which makes it a bit hit or miss--something you don't want in a safety. I also noticed that he bounces off guys (even a QB) without bringing them down, this is all the tape I've seen so maybe I'm wrong, but I think in a Andre Johnson (6-2 220) v. Bob Sanders (5-8 200) collision in the middle of the field that Andre may get the best of it.

Fiddy
05-04-2004, 06:05 PM
Who is their replacement for Marcus Washington (I think it was him that went to the Skins)?

CaptainPatriot
05-04-2004, 07:17 PM
I`m not a Colts Fan but I think Bob Sanders will do good!

Fiddy
05-04-2004, 07:22 PM
I`m not a Colts Fan but I think Bob Sanders will do good! He could be great, but with the departure of Marcus Robinson and Harrison becoming a FA, this could be the last year for the Colts to get to the promise land. With the 100 billion dollars they gave to Manning, they might not be able to resign Harrison without cutting some other players or they will have to let him walk. Unless he for the Colts for less money...

Blake
05-04-2004, 07:33 PM
They show the same 10-20 plays over and over and over and over again.

DoCt3rJ
05-05-2004, 11:41 AM
I think Pope will be Washington's replacement, hes really quick.

keyfro
05-05-2004, 11:45 AM
i couldn't imagine them letting harrison go...i could see them letting james go just because he's been hurt enough not to really franchise back they were hopeing for...but they'll keep harrison because besides him who is the go to guy on the team?...they should be able to afford him too...every team is able to afford a franchise QB and a franchise WR right?

Blake
05-05-2004, 12:01 PM
i couldn't imagine them letting harrison go...i could see them letting james go just because he's been hurt enough not to really franchise back they were hopeing for...but they'll keep harrison because besides him who is the go to guy on the team?...they should be able to afford him too...every team is able to afford a franchise QB and a franchise WR right?

It seems that you can afford either:

A: A solid team with no QB/WR stars.
Baltimore/Carolina/Miami

B: Or a great duo or trio, but the team as a whole isnt solid.
St. Louis/Indy/Kansas City


But no team IMO, will be great, without a stud RB.

HoustonTexansAreTheBest
05-05-2004, 08:02 PM
It seems that you can afford either:

A: A solid team with no QB/WR stars.
Baltimore/Carolina/Miami

B: Or a great duo or trio, but the team as a whole isnt solid.
St. Louis/Indy/Kansas City

A

Baltimore is still trying to develope Kyle Boller who can turn into a franchicse QB still.

Miami has C Chambers, so there's your WR star. Not to mention David Boston, yes he had a bad yr with Chargers, but remember his AZ Cardinals Days.

B

KC has no trio, they don't even have a duo. I don't count T Green as being a franchise QB. BUt yes I can't wait to see people argue me on that. P Holmes is all KC has over QB/RB/WR

HoustonTexansAreTheBest
05-05-2004, 08:03 PM
But no team IMO, will be great, without a stud RB.

How about the NE Patriots who won two SB without the greatest of RBs

keyfro
05-06-2004, 12:11 AM
the thing is i know that having a salary cap is a good thing for the overall league and that it creates fairness in the league...but it's not fair to us fans to see our teams best players get taken away in FA because the money isn't there...sure the player can take less money and stay but who is gonna turn down millions of dollars...no one...except pat tillman that is...anyways...i'm sure the colts will decide to keep the trio and hope for a blue collar defense to step up...with that being said...what would you prefer the texans choice when it comes time for us to try and afford carr, andre, and davis?

Blake
05-06-2004, 11:09 AM
How about the NE Patriots who won two SB without the greatest of RBs

I dont think people give Smith the credit he deserves. I guess i jumped the gun when I said stud back. What I should have said, is proven back. Smith holds on to the ball, doesnt have the greatest line, plays in snow.

TheOgre
05-06-2004, 12:00 PM
I would rate Antowain Smith as one of the top 10, maybe even top 5, worst starting HB's in the NFL last season. I think Kevin Faulk bailed them out a lot on 3rd downs.

Smith played well in 2001 though. That was probably his best season in the NFL.

Blake
05-06-2004, 12:17 PM
right up there with James Allen, and Stacey Mack.

wiley2002
05-06-2004, 12:33 PM
...what would you prefer the texans choice when it comes time for us to try and afford carr, andre, and davis?
We'll worry about that when the time comes. Hopefully one of the three will be willing to take a pay cut. I don't even want to think about the worst case senario.

HoustonTexansAreTheBest
05-06-2004, 03:23 PM
thats why a smith has been released......i'm sure you guys know something bellicheck and co don't know

El Tejano
05-06-2004, 03:44 PM
right up there with James Allen, and Stacey Mack.

I think you mean Mercellis and Stacey Mack. He He He! :spot: