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Wolf
10-02-2005, 09:15 PM
``I felt like we were playing to our potential today,'' said Carr, who was sacked eight times in his last game. ``I just wish we had a win to go along with that feeling. But I'm happy that our guys are playing with some confidence.''


http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/recap?gid=20051002004

I wish I heard the whole conversation leading up to Carr's quote so I wouldn't be having a "three's company" incident (meaning not hearing the whole thing but only hearing part)..

Playing to our potential? AJ 3 catches for like 30ish yards 1 TD by our offense. I am not discrediting the Bengals defense... but 7 sacks and we are playing to our potential? This offense lacks playmakers .. guys that can make people miss and go the distance anytime they touch the ball (sorry DD is not a gamebreaker) AJ is a playmaker.. It is nice to see us spreading the ball around though.

HJam72
10-02-2005, 09:24 PM
...7 sacks and we are playing to our potential?

Yes, that's about right. Our potential is to have about 7 sacks. It's a moral victory. :cool:

the wonger need food
10-02-2005, 09:43 PM
250 yards of total offense against an average defense is reaching their potential???

This whole organization is a complete train wreck. Bob McNair didn't become a billionaire by employing incompentent people in key positions. I am confident that the house will be cleaned this offseason.

Grid
10-02-2005, 09:46 PM
we DID look better wonger.. I dont know about playing to our potential.. if that is our potential then we need to start over from scratch.

But, we DID look better.. we looked more confident.. we moved the ball better.. id even say that we could have competed with many teams in the NFL this sunday..

I agree though that some house cleaning needs to be done this offseason. Specifically.. Capers and Fangio need to be replaced.. we need a whole new attitude and a whole gameplan. And we need to get a replacement for Carr to start grooming.

Bubbajwp
10-02-2005, 09:46 PM
250 yards of total offense against an average defense is reaching their potential???

This whole organization is a complete train wreck. Bob McNair didn't become a billionaire by employing incompentent people in key positions. I am confident that the house will be cleaned this offseason.
12 interceptions.

the wonger need food
10-02-2005, 09:51 PM
12 interceptions.

15th ranked defense coming into the game. 20th ranked passing defense, so they're actually below average here.

And 2 total sacks before this game. So yes, the stats say they are an average or slightly below average defense.

Double Barrel
10-02-2005, 09:54 PM
I think today's performance, while better than the first two games, is still way below average for the talent we [allegedly] have on this team.

We still lack consistency and keep shooting ourselves in the foots with stupid mistakes, though. Hopefully our potential is well beyond today's game.

Wolf
10-02-2005, 10:06 PM
Capers quote
On if protecting the quarterback is the most critical element missing from becoming a better offense…

“We were playing a team that had 16 takeaways in three games. Until the play I challenged late in the game (Carr’s fumble), we had taken care of the ball pretty well. I thought this would be a field-position game. We had a couple chances today, and we didn’t get any turnovers. We’ll continue to work on it, and we’ll get ours.”


Sometimes I feel the PC talk at the end of the game gets old. I almost want a Bill Parcells type that says it how it is.
http://www.houstontexans.com/news/news_detail.php?PRKey=2012

Carr's quote

Can you speak about the pass protection today?

“The line came out and we were looking all right. When we can run the ball and successfully execute the play-action pass and drop back, the pocket is usually pretty clean. When we get into situations when it is longer than 10 yards, teams get after us a little bit. That is something we need to work on and clean up. We need to fix that problem. When we keep the ball in normal down-and-distances, we walk up and down the field. When we get into bad situations, that is when we get into trouble.”

Elite
10-02-2005, 10:12 PM
WOW what a losser we have. thats our potential WOW that might be his potential that just goes to show everyone we need a winner playing QB for us.

Porky
10-02-2005, 10:26 PM
If they are playing up to their potential, we have about a 2-4 win season on our hands. That quote is laughable.

Bubbajwp
10-02-2005, 10:42 PM
15th ranked defense coming into the game. 20th ranked passing defense, so they're actually below average here.

And 2 total sacks before this game. So yes, the stats say they are an average or slightly below average defense.
I agree on paper there are not a good defense. but they were also eight in Rushing defense. 12 Interceptions is hard to argue with. That was an average of four per game before today.

Elite
10-02-2005, 10:44 PM
I agree on paper there are not a good defense. but they were also eight in Rushing defense. 12 Interceptions is hard to argue with. That was an average of four per game before today.


But most of those interceptions come after the opposing team fall so behind they cant run and become one dimentional our defense did a great of keeping us in the game.

OzzO
10-02-2005, 10:54 PM
Possible potential in a sense that the ball was spread around a bit more, they were moving down the field better than previously, and that there was more of a belief they could win it vs. going in with a "well maybe we can" attitude.

Heck, the Bengals beat Cleveland by 14, Minnesota by 29 and Chicago by 17 before us... so we must've done something well to lose by 6.

Cicero
10-02-2005, 10:57 PM
I agree on paper there are not a good defense. but they were also eight in Rushing defense. 12 Interceptions is hard to argue with. That was an average of four per game before today.
The truest stat in football is the scoreboard, the Bengals are giving up 9.5 points per game. That is flat out getting it done.

HJam72
10-02-2005, 10:58 PM
Heck, the Bengals beat Cleveland by 14, Minnesota by 29 and Chicago by 17 before us... so we must've done something well to lose by 6.

Yes, our D is tough as nails in the red zone. :ninja: It's the best thing about the Texans. :texflag:

dalemurphy
10-02-2005, 11:00 PM
Carr isn't a lawyer. He's a 25 year old football player who was likely suffering from a concussion and post traumatic stress syndrome. I'm sure the point he was trying to make is that they were able to move the ball and it didn't appear that they were lost or totally outclassed by the other team.

run-david-run
10-02-2005, 11:33 PM
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/recap?gid=20051002004

I wish I heard the whole conversation leading up to Carr's quote so I wouldn't be having a "three's company" incident (meaning not hearing the whole thing but only hearing part)..

Playing to our potential? AJ 3 catches for like 30ish yards 1 TD by our offense. I am not discrediting the Bengals defense... but 7 sacks and we are playing to our potential? This offense lacks playmakers .. guys that can make people miss and go the distance anytime they touch the ball (sorry DD is not a gamebreaker) AJ is a playmaker.. It is nice to see us spreading the ball around though.

I think you will find he means our potential to play well and stay with the big boys. Even with a minute to go and getting screwed by the refs, we were still one play away from winning the game. Statistically, not much improvemnt, but anyone who watched the game can tell you this was the best performance by the Texans in a long time.

infantrycak
10-02-2005, 11:34 PM
15th ranked defense coming into the game. 20th ranked passing defense, so they're actually below average here.

And 2 total sacks before this game. So yes, the stats say they are an average or slightly below average defense.

Oooh, can I play the stat game too? How about this one, who has the #2 scoring (you have heard of the score right, the thing that controls who wins and loses--commonly known as the most important stat) defense in the league? But I guess that doesn't fit with your constant downer philosophy.

El Tejano
10-02-2005, 11:44 PM
Can we all please remind ourselves that this was a team that just underwent new coaching and that many of the things Carr was doing wrong was not being done today. Noone here is talking about how Carr was stepping up in the pocket today and getting rid of the ball faster...all things that were improvements over last year even and all things Pendry was coaching on. Improvement in two weeks worth of practice and even then some of that was delayed because of the hurricane scare. Not saying that had anything to do with it but time was of the essence and they did alot in those two weeks.

Cheroqui
10-03-2005, 02:08 AM
Can someone tell me why Jerome Mathis is only returning kicks and not being played opposite of Andre or in the slot? and why do we get new TE's every year and don't use them?

Why are we throwing passes over the middle with 45 seconds left in the game too?

I watched the game but maybe uhhhhh maybe I missed something...

the wonger need food
10-03-2005, 10:53 AM
I agree on paper there are not a good defense. but they were also eight in Rushing defense. 12 Interceptions is hard to argue with. That was an average of four per game before today.

They are not a good rushing defense. In their first 3 games they put points up early and forced teams to pass. 12 interceptions is an amazing number, for sure. My point is, the Bengals defense is not elite. They had 2 sacks coming into this game and more than tripled their total.

250 yards of total offense against an average defense is not progress. It's just not, no matter how you try to spin.

HoustonFan
10-03-2005, 12:12 PM
Can we all please remind ourselves that this was a team that just underwent new coaching and that many of the things Carr was doing wrong was not being done today. Noone here is talking about how Carr was stepping up in the pocket today and getting rid of the ball faster...all things that were improvements over last year even and all things Pendry was coaching on. Improvement in two weeks worth of practice and even then some of that was delayed because of the hurricane scare. Not saying that had anything to do with it but time was of the essence and they did alot in those two weeks.

I think Rita had a bit to do w/ it. It shortened almost everyone's work week last week. But you are right Carr was getting rid of that ball alot quicker than before. And I might get reamed for this, but outside of the 7 sacks, the O-line played better.

New week, new game coming up. I still see good things ahead for this team. GO TEXANS!!!!!

bengalsown
10-03-2005, 12:13 PM
15th ranked defense coming into the game. 20th ranked passing defense, so they're actually below average here.

And 2 total sacks before this game. So yes, the stats say they are an average or slightly below average defense.

2nd in the NFL in points allowed :ok:

That's definitely teetering on the edge of Average/below average.

:ok:

bengalsown
10-03-2005, 12:15 PM
They are not a good rushing defense. In their first 3 games they put points up early and forced teams to pass. 12 interceptions is an amazing number, for sure. My point is, the Bengals defense is not elite. They had 2 sacks coming into this game and more than tripled their total.

250 yards of total offense against an average defense is not progress. It's just not, no matter how you try to spin.

So because the rush defense hasn't had to stop anyone yet this year, that means they're not a good rushing defense?

There are several new starters on D this year, this isn't the same D as last season...

MorKnolle
10-03-2005, 12:21 PM
Yes, that's about right. Our potential is to have about 7 sacks. It's a moral victory. :cool:
While I'm not saying we played a great game or anything, keep in mind that one sack was that "fumble" that should have been an incomplete pass and another two were on the last-minute possession. Carr should have been able to scramble better on those last two and you would think that our line could block three rushers better, but still he had to let the WRs get deep to have a chance of scoring, so he couldn't have really done much else with the ball.

With that said, I totally agree that we have a long way to go still. We did look much more confident and in rhythm, especially on offense, and that will continue to improve as the team gets more accustomed to Pendry, and we have two weak defenses the next two weeks that we can hopefully build on this improvement. We took a good step in the right direction but we need to continue that throughout the rest of the season.

Looking at the remaining schedule, I don't think 8-8 is an unrealistic goal for our team.