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Goldeagle
10-01-2005, 12:55 AM
I say bring back Hollings, at least he was different and had the ability to get to the corner.

I dont know what the team sees in Verand Morency and was just another wasted draft pick when you consider how good Wells has improved along with the team.

I have to say I think Wells could take the role of starter if Davis goes down. He has looked very good when he gets the chance to run the ball.

Davis: Starter
Wells: Bruiser
Hollings: Speedster

Dont have a clue why we got Morency, other than to run straight into the pack and get tackled on the 20 yard line on all kick offs.

HJam72
10-01-2005, 01:01 AM
Hollings....is....a....bust. Vernand Morency has a tremendous upside. With no experience at all, he is already WAY better than Hollings, but it still might have been better to use that pick for something else. Jonathon Wells is no slouch. You're right about that.

I can't believe someone still wants to start Hollings. :cool:

Goldeagle
10-01-2005, 01:02 AM
Im not saying start Hollings, I am saying he is a better change of pace because of his speed.

HJam72
10-01-2005, 01:09 AM
OK, that makes a lot more since, but I still disagree. I've never seen Hollings do anything. I've heard that he's fast, but he never shows it, except apparently in track sprints. Now, Morency, he looks fast on a football field. He just doesn't quite know when to do what like DD does.

texan279
10-01-2005, 02:07 AM
Morency is the quickest RB we have, just because he can't return kicks doesn't mean he can't contribute as a RB. I am guessing you didn't watch any of the preseason games, because Morency looked as good as Davis and Wells, if not better...

BengalStripes
10-01-2005, 02:10 AM
RB is the least of your worries, IMO.

texan279
10-01-2005, 02:13 AM
Well this MB is to discuss all aspects of our team...

BengalStripes
10-01-2005, 02:18 AM
Well this MB is to discuss all aspects of our team...

Which is why I respond to a thread titled "RUNNING BACKS" with '"RB is the least of your worries."

Texans need O-Line help. Protection, protection, protection.

Unless you don't want Dom Davis and A Johnson. We'll take both of them if you don't think them worthy of your team.

texan279
10-01-2005, 02:27 AM
Which is why I respond to a thread titled "RUNNING BACKS" with '"RB is the least of your worries."

Texans need O-Line help. Protection, protection, protection.

Unless you don't want Dom Davis and A Johnson. We'll take both of them if you don't think them worthy of your team.

Texans don't need O line help, they need TE's who can block, use 2 RB's to block for Carr instead of 1, and Carr needs to stop running out of bounds behind the line of scrimmage when he could throw the ball away...Check to see how many sacks are credited to the O line...

Grid
10-01-2005, 02:49 AM
.... this thread leaves me speechless.

Hollings? oh how quickly we forget..

Davis37
10-01-2005, 03:16 AM
Plz dont ever say Hollings again... The guy is a bust... period... The only thing he can do to get positive yards is screens. "Mr. H" better have studied hard in college because its time for him to enter the "real world" and get a job. The closest he should ever get to another football field should be right next to you... In the stands

beerlover
10-01-2005, 05:09 AM
wasn't Hollings a db in College before converting to rb in 4 games. the Texans keep trying to circumvent the process of aquiring an elite rb with a starter from the 3rd & 4th rd plus a supplemental pick. Texans lack the running game that should be developed by now. the trick will be to retool and quickly. its going to require a two step process- the physical handle the rock 30+ times rb and elite pulling Center that work well together.

did I mention that Minnesota leads the nation in rushing yards- 326.5 Y/G

Vinny
10-01-2005, 08:43 AM
I think Morency is the most talented back we have. He will be our feature back one day soon....I just don't know when. Dom goes back to 3rd down back and kick returner by next year sometime to be one of the better ones in that role.

Coach C.
10-01-2005, 09:58 AM
I think Morency is the most talented back we have. He will be our feature back one day soon....I just don't know when. Dom goes back to 3rd down back and kick returner by next year sometime to be one of the better ones in that role.

Wow Vinny you have an active imagination. Morency has talent, but he is the same back as Dom Davis with age and less vision. Morency is a good second back and possible 3rd down back, but as a 20+ carry runner I just dont feel he has it. Take a look at his games in college against the top of the big 12 he was overwhelmed. If he goes against first team defenses in something more than preseason vanilla then he will not be overly productive. At least not with our current team.

Hervoyel
10-01-2005, 10:45 AM
This is a moot point because as a starter both Morency and Davis are about a half step above "ordinary". Wells is just ordinary. Hollings is below ordinary with extraordinary speed. This isn't a bad thing because every team in the NFL has guys running second and third team who are in this same talent range. They come in, play hard, and give you your hundred yards (sometimes) when the starter is out.

From time to time they have a good day or a good series of games and they look like legitimate franchise backs but most of the time it's just a question of them running on a team that either sucks against the run, or a team that is playing the run soft because they don't fear the second team quality back. That's why DomD gets his thousand every year (and not much more).

We all have opinions and that's mine. I believe that our "franchise back" is yet to be drafted. We don't have a guy who can get it done all the time, we never have had one.

Mr Shush
10-01-2005, 10:49 AM
Bear in mind that Morency is actually older than Davis. Less wear on the tyres, sure, but still.

I also think that the Davis's new contract makes it pretty clear that we see him as our starter for a few years yet - that's a lot of money to pay for a third down back.

nunusguy
10-01-2005, 11:07 AM
I think Morency is the most talented back we have. He will be our feature back one day soon....I just don't know when. Dom goes back to 3rd down back and kick returner by next year sometime to be one of the better ones in that role.
I got to agree with Vincent on this one, because Morency has that quickness,
explosiveness hitting the line and those first steps beyond the line after the cut that's maybe the single most important ability a good back needs to have.
Time will tell if he has the versatility that DD has, i.e. can he be a reliable pass receiver. But he's definitely the best pure runner on the Texans' roster.

Mr Shush
10-01-2005, 11:08 AM
I think the sad truth is that we're still at a stage where we have to pay over the odds for any player not on his rookie contract, because given the choice they'd rather play elsewhere. Davis's new deal is considerably cheaper than would be the case for a top flight RB, because neither he nor the front office think he is one. It also represents much better value for us than the crazy contract the Saints gave McAllister. But I agree that we're paying a solid starter like a good starter. I just don't think we have a choice - the alternative would be an inadequate starter, at this point. Morency may turn out to be as good as you think - I have no idea, as living in the UK I have yet to see one second of him on film. If he does, terrific, but he's far from a proven NFL running back at the moment.

Texas
10-01-2005, 12:04 PM
Hollings is horrid. I'd like to see him as a kick returner in place of morency however. But I really would rather P-Buch be the KR. As far as morency goes he's a bust. If DD goes down I say take wells.

Mr Shush
10-01-2005, 12:08 PM
To label a player a bust two games into their first season in the league is daft. Morency may turn out to be a bust, he may turn out to be a pro-bowler. We don't know yet. Buchanon has never been a KR in the league, only a PR, and I believe that when healthy Mathis is the starting KR (and with good reason, given his college record).

Bongo59
10-01-2005, 12:08 PM
Texans don't need O line help, they need TE's who can block, use 2 RB's to block for Carr instead of 1, and Carr needs to stop running out of bounds behind the line of scrimmage when he could throw the ball away...Check to see how many sacks are credited to the O line......sorry 279.....youre completely wrong...............the Texans are goning no where untilt hey fix this problem..................the OL is the biggest issue then it is the poor drafting of CC.......i think a house cleaning is coming in Jan.................and it is long over due.

beerlover
10-01-2005, 12:30 PM
Morency has that quickness, explosiveness hitting the line and those first steps beyond the line after the cut that's maybe the single most important ability a good back needs to have.

Quickness to go down maybe, explosiveness to run sideways & make that cut-back to the blind side into the teeth of pursuit. Sorry but I'm tired of waiting for a potential back to come of age and mature into an NFL feature back the Texans are not exactly running back U. We need a back who can run North & South stick his chin strap in the middle and fight for yards with defenders drapped all over him. all you have to do is look at Carnell Williams, Tampa did not have any kind of running game last year and now are 2nd in the league behind Atlanta in rushing. there not big runs either they are tough earned, fighting for extra yards runs taking what you can & just pounding away even with the box stacked in run prevent.

The Texans should have traded down in 03 and drafted Willis McGahee and waited for his ACL to recover afterall they've waited for other players including Hollings to come back from the same injury (in his case they tried to materialize something that was never there). Last year we all talked about what if one of the big three backs dropped to the Texans which of course never happened so we have to look to this draft or the next to find that dominant back.

DeAngelo Williams & Laurence Maroney represent that need this year & 07 its Adrian Peterson thats if Carr can survive that long & we don't need to draft another QB :confused:

Goldeagle
10-01-2005, 01:19 PM
Morency is the quickest RB we have, just because he can't return kicks doesn't mean he can't contribute as a RB. I am guessing you didn't watch any of the preseason games, because Morency looked as good as Davis and Wells, if not better...


Yeah he looked good vs. 3rd stringers.

the wonger need food
10-01-2005, 02:14 PM
I say bring back Hollings, at least he was different and had the ability to get to the corner.

Now that is funny.

Hopefully we'll see Morency get a few touches this week... just not on the kick return team.

Buzz
10-01-2005, 03:01 PM
I agree Hollings is not worth much, and the O line is the most important thing to work on right now.
That's why they should have tried to send Hollings to the Eagles when they were showing interest in him. We might have been able to get an O lineman in the deal.

texan279
10-01-2005, 03:43 PM
...sorry 279.....youre completely wrong...............the Texans are goning no where untilt hey fix this problem..................the OL is the biggest issue then it is the poor drafting of CC.......i think a house cleaning is coming in Jan.................and it is long over due.

I am wrong? Are you going off what you have actually seen, or are you going off what the media and Carr lovers are saying?

Bubbajwp
10-01-2005, 05:23 PM
I am wrong? Are you going off what you have actually seen, or are you going off what the media and Carr lovers are saying?
Dont even try and say look at how many sacks are the olines fault. The oline could go the whole season and not give up a sack. That doesnt mean that there doing a good job of pass protection. Sacks dont show if a oline is keeping pressure off a QB. You could give up 0 sacks in a game and still have 20 QB pressures. Which is the case with our oline so far this season. Being Carr is probably alot like :tomato:

texan279
10-01-2005, 05:32 PM
Dont even try and say look at how many sacks are the olines fault. The oline could go the whole season and not give up a sack. That doesnt mean that there doing a good job of pass protection. Sacks dont show if a oline is keeping pressure off a QB. You could give up 0 sacks in a game and still have 20 QB pressures. Which is the case with our oline so far this season. Being Carr is probably alot like

When Carr runs out of bounds behind the line or a RB or TE misses a block, you can't blame the O line.

Bubbajwp
10-01-2005, 05:41 PM
When Carr runs out of bounds behind the line or a RB or TE misses a block, you can't blame the O line.
Well when the oline gets pushed straight back into Carr what do you expect him to do other than run for his life. We already have a tightend who can block his name is bruener. If we use both rb to block what is carr suppose to do when none of his wr can get open. If you watched the game last week then you would have noticed how terrible our max protect formations were. Also like I said sacks dont show exactly how good your oline is performing.

texan279
10-01-2005, 05:54 PM
Well when the oline gets pushed straight back into Carr what do you expect him to do other than run for his life. We already have a tightend who can block his name is bruener. If we use both rb to block what is carr suppose to do when none of his wr can get open. If you watched the game last week then you would have noticed how terrible our max protect formations were. Also like I said sacks dont show exactly how good your oline is performing.

Instead of running out of bounds he could...let me think...THROW THE BALL AWAY...

Bubbajwp
10-01-2005, 05:56 PM
Instead of running out of bounds he could...let me think...THROW THE BALL AWAY...
Ya your right he should throw the ball away. Thats not the point the point is he shouldnt have to run away in the first place. :goodnight

texan279
10-01-2005, 06:00 PM
I am not saying the O line is perfect, but some here place the failure of our offense entirely on our O line. Carr has no field of vision and locks onto one target, which doesn't help. At least last season he would dump off to Davis. At this point if things don't get any better, I would tell Carr to just lob to AJ ever play unless someone is open and let him make a play on the ball.

Kaiser Toro
10-01-2005, 06:04 PM
Morency is explosive. Pendry may give him more snaps to see how he picks up the blitz.

I like DD, but David loves the dump off. Maybe a different look will jog David's tendencies.

OzzO
10-01-2005, 06:57 PM
Unless Hollings can block as well as run, no thanks. Actually, don't recall much of either from him.

An for the tangent in the thread - impove at center and TE / RB's that can block on a pass play... then there will be progression... IMO

touttail
10-01-2005, 07:42 PM
Give Morency a little time to develope. He is learning the offense and the NFL ways. I feel he is going to be a strong RB for our team.

A cool thing about Morency that you probably didn't know ... Before switching over to football full-time, Morency spent four years in the Colorado Rockies organization as an outfielder.

Career statistics
2003: 135 carries for 918 yards (6.8 ypc) and eight touchdowns
2002: 58 carries for 269 yards (4.6 ypc) and three touchdowns

Thanks to Oklahoma State for all the tidbits and the photo am.



bobby 119C :texflag: