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yaboycm
09-27-2005, 08:24 PM
If you think Babin is Garbage look at who we brought in and decided not to sign..................................



http://media.theinsiders.com/Media/NFL/149073_cin-peter-ap.JPG

For those of you who are Ravens Linebacker Impaired. They have a linebacker factor over there. That's Peter Bowlware making a play on the team we are playing this week. Instead of getting rid of Sharper, we should have paired the former http://www.entrcon.com/events/rav/ravensb.jpg back together!!!!!!

Reddevil63
09-27-2005, 08:27 PM
You are really good at hindsight...

the wonger need food
09-27-2005, 08:29 PM
This has to be in the top 10 most ignorant posts.

Boulware has played in one game with one tackle this season.

And your picture is from about 4 years ago when Kitna was the Bungles QB.

cadahnic
09-27-2005, 08:32 PM
wow, Babin has talent, but hey wouldn't you like to see him in the middle of the defense. I would like him in Greenwood's spot, except he cant cover, but he would be better at taking on blockers and making tackles. In the 80's 4-6 defense that chicago ran when the switched to a 3-4 subset they had a larger "tweener" guy next to singletary and it worked really well. it just might be something to think about.

yaboycm
09-27-2005, 08:40 PM
This has to be in the top 10 most ignorant posts.

Boulware has played in one game with one tackle this season.

And your picture is from about 4 years ago when Kitna was the Bungles QB.



Well, it looks like you just topped yourself.

That's because he doesn't start in their 4-3 you http://sportsmed.starwave.com/media/nba/2003/0515/photo/a_ainge_vi.jpghttp://media.theinsiders.com/media/image/16/161304.jpg


Get him back with what he's used to. The 3-4.

He played the Bengals twice a year. Would be nice to have someone with that experiece on our team. Still a lot of the same players.

A crushing blow http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/38064000/jpg/_38064192_lewis2.jpg

Reddevil63
09-27-2005, 08:43 PM
Ahhh so we should have signed him just because we play the Bengals. Makes sense to me.

yaboycm
09-27-2005, 08:54 PM
Ahhh so we should have signed him just because we play the Bengals. Makes sense to me.

Please http://www.homeruncards.com/imagesplayers/pascual-perez.jpg
Man, breaking out of the sixth grade must have really been tough for some of you huh http://www.carolinafan.com/a/aJoeWolf.jpg. Just look at that dumb look on Wolf's face. Not even gonna get into Pascual or his brother Melido. Although I think Melido may have pitched a No Hitter against the Yankees. Bowlware is a better player. Therefore, our defense would be better with him instead of Babin. It is just a coincidence that we happen to be playing the Bengals.

ccdude730
09-27-2005, 10:00 PM
do you have to post pictures in every post? i like to read message boards not look at a picture book.

babin will be back in the lineup. he is too good against the run to keep him out.

Reddevil63
09-27-2005, 10:06 PM
Your reaching so bad, i cant even understand what you are saying.

Bubbajwp
09-27-2005, 10:07 PM
do you have to post pictures in every post? i like to read message boards not look at a picture book.

babin will be back in the lineup. he is too good against the run to keep him out.
Ya thats getting realy annoying

Bubbajwp
09-27-2005, 10:19 PM
(removed)the Ravens run the 4-3 now, not a 3-4 like they used to. In the NEW 4-3 he doesn't even start, they are giving their young guys a chance and subbing him in.

The Texans play the 3-4, they should have signed him. If would have been even beter if they still had Sharper becuase those two won a Super Bowl together along with http://www2.hawaii.edu/~jkadala/ray_52_miami.jpg.
Just because they won a superbowl together doesnt mean anything. Ever heard of Ray Lewis. With all of the new teams switching to a 3-4 dont you think there is a reason none of them signed him.

Bubbajwp
09-27-2005, 10:20 PM
He's old, expensive, and had a serious injury.

yaboycm
09-27-2005, 10:24 PM
Just because they won a superbowl together doesnt mean anything. Ever heard of Ray Lewis. With all of the new teams switching to a 3-4 dont you think there is a reason none of them signed him.

So the ultimate goal in football doesn't mean anything anymore? Makes sense. When you have someone like Ray Lewis you lock him up. That's why nobody else has tried to sign him.

Pete's like low 30's. Same as Ray, your boy that you are giving props. I think he has been injured right? Isn't that why he didn't play in the lone Ravens visit to Reliant Stadium?

Expensive? about 2 mill

Bubbajwp
09-27-2005, 10:29 PM
So they ultimate goal in football doesn't mean anything anymore? Makes sense. When you have someone like Ray Lewis you lock him up. That's why nobody else has tried to sign him.

Pete's like low 30's. Same as Ray, your boy that you are giving props. I think he has been injured right? Isn't that why he didn't play in the lone Ravens visit to Reliant Stadium?
I wasnt saying we should get him I was saying hes a bigger reason they won the superbowl than boulware or sharper. Also ya we would have a better team today if we signed boulware and sharper. But in three or four years when they retire what would that leave us with. A good offense with abunch of veterans that we built threw the draft and a old slow defense or a very unexperienced defense.

yaboycm
09-27-2005, 10:32 PM
We gotta win soon. Can't build for the future forever.

The Ravens couldn't afford to keep a lot of guys from that Super Bowl team.
You can only afford so many guys. They let other good ones go too, Sharper.

Bubbajwp
09-27-2005, 10:35 PM
We gotta win soon. Can't build for the future forever.

The Ravens couldn't afford to keep a lot of guys from that Super Bowl team.
You can only afford so many guys. They let other good ones go too, Sharper.
Four or Five years is not forever.

yaboycm
09-27-2005, 10:41 PM
This isn't the first year of the franchise. You have to start winning at some point. you can't say forever, building for the future, building for the future.

Bubbajwp
09-27-2005, 10:45 PM
This isn't the first year of the franchise. You have to start winning at some point. you can't say forever, building for the future, building for the future.
Like I said four or five years of building for the future is not that bad.

Bubbajwp
09-27-2005, 10:46 PM
Im not saying we can use this excuse forever.

Bubbajwp
09-27-2005, 10:50 PM
So the ultimate goal in football doesn't mean anything anymore? Makes sense. When you have someone like Ray Lewis you lock him up. That's why nobody else has tried to sign him.

Pete's like low 30's. Same as Ray, your boy that you are giving props. I think he has been injured right? Isn't that why he didn't play in the lone Ravens visit to Reliant Stadium?

Expensive? about 2 mill
I hope your not trying to say that with sharper and boulware we would be a superbowl contender. Also by the time that the rest of our team was superbowl caliber sharper and boulware would be retired or at least close to it.

yaboycm
09-27-2005, 10:58 PM
This guy needs to go make a scrap book with his girl friends, with all the pictures he has.

Matt Leihnart could be your first page.

Followed by Vincent Young and Peter Boulware.


What insite. you really know your stuff. your scrapbook just has one picture of a guy who you can't even tell who he is.

When Matt Leihnart is one of the best qbs by his second season, come talk to me.

Since you hate pictures so much, never watch the tv again. It has moving pictures and might really confuse you.

yaboycm
09-27-2005, 11:00 PM
I hope your not trying to say that with sharper and boulware we would be a superbowl contender. Also by the time that the rest of our team was superbowl caliber sharper and boulware would be retired or at least close to it.


No, obviously I know those two won't make a super bowl team. But it's a start to building one. Both our offense and defense need some work. You have to start building them at some point.

Bubbajwp
09-27-2005, 11:04 PM
No, obviously I know those two won't make a super bowl team. But it's a start to building one. Both our offense and defense need some work. You have to start building them at some point.
I'm just saying if you start building a team with 30 year olds their going to be at least 33 by the time your team is a contender. Then they will either be 34,35 or retired by the time your team is a serious superbowl contender.

yaboycm
09-27-2005, 11:08 PM
But last year we were talking about this being a playoff team. Two years ago they lost to the Super Bowl Champ in overtime. This team was progressing and now they are regressing.

Bubbajwp
09-27-2005, 11:18 PM
But last year we were talking about this being a playoff team. Two years ago they lost to the Super Bowl Champ in overtime. This team was progressing and now they are regressing.
I dont think they are regressing I think they did regress by loosing some of their veterans but there not still getting worse. The problem is we didnt replace the veterans with good young players we replaced them with average young players. Yes this delayed our team but they should be better in the long run and there is a better chance of building a dynasty threw young players.

yaboycm
09-27-2005, 11:44 PM
I dont think they are regressing I think they did regress by loosing some of their veterans but there not still getting worse. The problem is we didnt replace the veterans with good young players we replaced them with average young players. Yes this delayed our team but they should be better in the long run and there is a better chance of building a dynasty threw young players.






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Bubbajwp
09-27-2005, 11:48 PM
Im just saying their not getting worse by the day.

outofhnd
09-28-2005, 12:52 AM
Interesting...

If we signed Boulware doesn't he naturally play ROLB (Peek's position)? When he was in the 3-4 scheme? I think he was supposed to transition to another spot after Terrell Suggs spent a year learning the 3-4 ROLB position... However, Boulware went down in 04 suggs started and suggs just basically took the position from Boulware.

But hey he is being subbed in at LOLB in their 4-3 alternating with Adalius Thomas who is the starter... We looked at him but didnt like what we saw.. as did the raiders and chiefs..

Maybe its just me but I don't think we are missing much except the possibility that we spent all this money on Boulware only to see Babin start because Boulware's knee couldnt hold up to fulltime action. I would have liked to see us keep Sharper. However I think we are ok without Boulware.

jppaul
09-28-2005, 01:50 AM
do you have to post pictures in every post? i like to read message boards not look at a picture book.

babin will be back in the lineup. he is too good against the run to keep him out.

Unfortunately, We are in the fifth grade and need pictures to understand. Yeah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Nap Time!

Hookem Horns
09-28-2005, 05:01 AM
If you want to make an argument about Babin, at least stay in the same draft and don't make cases about older players that should have been signed.

Oklahoma LB Teddy Lehman was on the board when the Texans grabbed Babin. Lehman went a few picks later to Detroit.

I liked Lehman in college and he was the leader on that OU defense. I was hoping the Texans would grab him and was initially disappointed when they took Babin over him. Admittedly, I knew nothing to very little about Babin so I figured the Texans knew what they were doing. One area of concern I did have was that he was going to be a project, going from DE to LB.

The Lions have been real high on Lehman and as a pro, so far Lehman is looking like the better of the 2.

As far as stats go, last year Babin had 51 tackles and 12 assist. Lehman had 75 tackles and 27 assist. Of course there are other intangibles besides stats, and after seeing Babin for a year, I think Lehman brings more of those to the table such as leadership ability and being smarter on the field.

But what do I know, I am just simple fan with an opinion.

Johnny Utah
09-28-2005, 07:21 AM
Four or Five years is not forever.

It hasn't taken Dallas nearly that long under Parcells to turn themselves into a playoff contender. In 4 years Casserly has us in the running for one of the worst teams in the league.

touttail
09-28-2005, 07:49 AM
You as a coach or GM can't predict what a player will do in the future. All you have to go by is what they did in the past (and hope they produce for you) and Babin looked pretty damn good on paper with Western Michigan, made All American, set school records in sacks, etc.


Prospect Profiles


Jason Babin
Position: Defensive End
College: Western Michigan
Height: 6-2
Weight: 260
Hometown: Paw Paw, Mich.

Analysis | Agility | High School | Personal

OVERVIEW
Outstanding pass rusher and two-time All-American who is one of the fastest down linemen in the game of football … The former high school state wrestling champion also excels on special teams, using his excellent leaping ability to block three punts during his career … The Defensive Hard Hat Award winner also saw time on offense the last two years, blocking in the Power-I formation … Started 25 of 47 games for the Broncos, recording 299 tackles (202 solos) with 38 sacks for minus-188 yards, 75 stops for losses of 283 yards, 43 quarterback pressures, eight forced fumbles, two fumble recoveries, two pass deflections and three receptions for 35 yards (11.7 avg) … His 38 sacks topped the old school career-record of 34 by Joel Smeenge (1986-89) and his 75 stops behind the line of scrimmage broke Smeenge's previous WMU record of 66.
ANALYSIS
Positives: Has good body structure with a thick chest, broad shoulders and developing thighs and calves … Leader by example who needs to be accounted for by the opponent … Plays with pain, practices hard and has outstanding character off the field … Has good short-area quickness and acceleration, quickly locating the ball … Shows above-average lateral agility and good effort in his pursuit to the ball … Effective wrap-up tackler who stays low in his pads and drives hard with his legs to rock the ball carriers back … Very effective edge rusher who uses his hands well to grab and maintain position … Has good flexibility and knee bend to get down the line of scrimmage … Has the sudden burst to close on the quarterback and inside run plays.
Negatives: Timed speed is deceptive, as the player shed 20 pounds before his workout and generally plays in the 280-pound range … Not as explosive when he's at his playing weight … Shows strength against the run, but does not split the double team or neutralize blockers when engaging in head-up action … Weight-room strength does not translate to the football field (would rather elude than take on the blocker) … Uses his hands well, but is not a hit-and-shed type … Best pass rushing off the edge, as he would rather not take on and defeat the offensive tackle or tight end (tries to throw rather than use shed moves to disengage).

AGILITY TESTS
Timed at 4.69 in the 40-yard dash … 460-pound bench press … 540-pound squat … 383-pound power clean … 405-pound incline press … 34-inch vertical jump … 9-foot-8 broad jump … 4.03 in the 20-yard shuttle … 33 1/8-inch arm length … 9 7/8-inch hands … Right-handed.
HIGH SCHOOL
Attended Paw Paw (Mich.) High, playing football for coach Dave Warmack … Named All-Kalamazoo Valley Association first-team choice … Missed most of the 1998 season after breaking his leg in the season opener … Two-time team Defensive MVP … State wrestling champion.
PERSONAL
Criminal Justice major … Born May 24, 1980 in Kalamazoo, Mich. … Resides in Paw Paw, Mich.
Courtesy of NFLDraftScout.com, Powered by The Sports Xchange


bobby 119C

Bubbajwp
09-28-2005, 07:53 AM
It hasn't taken Dallas nearly that long under Parcells to turn themselves into a playoff contender. In 4 years Casserly has us in the running for one of the worst teams in the league.
Dallas had a playoff team the year that parcels took over. There record was 10-6. Can you guess what the Texans record was when Capers took over. Im not trying to make excusses for capers or casserly. I want to see them outta here just like everybody else. The Cowboys didnt have to build from scratch when Parcells took over. Most of his top defensive players were already there Roy Williams, Dat Nguyen, Laroi Glover, Greg Ellis, Dexter Coakly, and Terrance Newman in the 2003 draft the year parcells tooke over.

touttail
09-28-2005, 07:59 AM
Dallas had a playoff team the year that parcels took over. There record was 10-6. Can you guess what the Texans record was when Capers took over. Im not trying to make excusses for capers or casserly. I want to see them outta here just like everybody else. The Cowboys didnt have to build from scratch when Parcells took over. Most of his top defensive players were already there Roy Williams, Dat Nguyen, Laroi Glover, Greg Ellis, Dexter Coakly, and Terrance Newman in the 2003 draft the year parcells tooke over.

Parcels is a no nonsense coach, who doesn't take **** from anyone. His philosophy is: Put out or get out! He is definitely a HOF Coach.

bobby 119C

Bubbajwp
09-28-2005, 08:01 AM
Parcels is a no nonsense coach, who doesn't take **** from anyone. His philosophy is: Put out or get out! He is definitely a HOF Coach.

bobby 119C
Trust me I agree I would trade Capers for Parcells any day.

Malloy
09-28-2005, 08:43 AM
What insite. you really know your stuff. your scrapbook just has one picture of a guy who you can't even tell who he is.

When Matt Leihnart is one of the best qbs by his second season, come talk to me.

Since you hate pictures so much, never watch the tv again. It has moving pictures and might really confuse you.
__________________
Leinart
OR YOUNG


So, how exactly do you want to spell Leihnart... Leinart.. lamer?

Horrible posts, horrible picture-book. Go scream at old ladies if you want the attention so bad...

yaboycm
09-28-2005, 09:08 AM
So, how exactly do you want to spell Leihnart... Leinart.. lamer?

Horrible posts, horrible picture-book. Go scream at old ladies if you want the attention so bad...

You have nothing interesting to say.

Since when were so many people against pictures?

You better not own a camera

yaboycm
09-28-2005, 09:28 AM
Unfortunately, We are in the fifth grade and need pictures to understand. Yeah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Nap Time!

If you want to make an argument about Babin, at least stay in the same draft and don't make cases about older players that should have been signed.


Unfortunately you are right. New Rule according to this guy: From now on, we can't talk about replacing any of our guys with free agents, only guys who were available in the draft of the guy we want to replace.

We can't talk about bringing in a new quaterback, you can only talk about guys we could have picked instead of Carr like Harrington.

infantrycak
09-28-2005, 10:41 AM
For those of you who are Ravens Linebacker Impaired. They have a linebacker factor over there. That's Peter Bowlware making a play on the team we are playing this week.

This thread is a non-starter. Boulware himself recognized his 3-4 OLB days were over as a full time starter and admitted he would need to play at 4-3 DE or as a situational OLB.

PS--while Babin is on the bench, the Texans have evidently announced he will come in on 3rd downs against the Bengals according to 610 am.

Johnny Utah
09-28-2005, 11:16 AM
I heard on 610am this morning that Babin will start coming in on 3rd down in pass rushing situations. He will be our pass rushing specialist.


LOL :rolleyes:

Paragon Blue
09-28-2005, 12:36 PM
I hope I didn't make a mistake getting my Babin jersey. Do you guys really think that he is that bad or do you feel that he will be able to bounce back from this. :crying:

touttail
09-28-2005, 12:47 PM
I hope I didn't make a mistake getting my Babin jersey. :

I know exactly where you are coming from Paragon Blue. I have 3 Jamie Sharper jerseys.
When they cut Sharper, I ordered a personal jersey with MY NAME and MY FOOTBALL NUMBER on it. The Texans can't cut me-----LOL. Texan fan 4-ever!
I am a big person and my jersey cost big bucks, $250.00.


bobby 119C :texflag:

Paragon Blue
09-28-2005, 12:54 PM
At the Steelers game there was some guy behind me that kept yelling Babin sucks. I didn't want to turn around but I think he was directing it at me. So the next time he said it I turned around and yelled the whole team sucks and he just kind of looked at me weird. :grouphug:

touttail
09-28-2005, 12:57 PM
LOL_you did the right thing Blue!

bobby 119C :texflag:

Huge
09-28-2005, 01:04 PM
I know exactly where you are coming from Paragon Blue. I have 3 Jamie Sharper jerseys.
When they cut Sharper, I ordered a personal jersey with MY NAME and MY FOOTBALL NUMBER on it. The Texans can't cut me-----LOL. Texan fan 4-ever!
I am a big person and my jersey cost big bucks, $250.00.


bobby 119C :texflag:
Ah...the benefit of being able to purchase throwback jerseys (Roger Staubach, Troy Aikman, Emmitt Smith, etc.). :)

TheOgre
09-28-2005, 01:26 PM
Ah...the benefit of being able to purchase throwback jerseys (Roger Staubach, Troy Aikman, Emmitt Smith, etc.). :)

Billy Cundiff

Davis37
09-28-2005, 01:54 PM
Parcels is a no nonsense coach, who doesn't take **** from anyone. His philosophy is: Put out or get out! He is definitely a HOF Coach.

bobby 119C

That's the same strategy I use with women!!! :jk:

Exascor
09-28-2005, 01:57 PM
Do you guys really think that he is that bad or do you feel that he will be able to bounce back from this.I felt his main problem was that he was timid. He seemed to run right into blockers or always seemed to slow down right before getting to the QB. It was as if he was thinking stuff like "What is my assignment?" "Should I tackle him high or low?" "Is the ball going to be thrown before I get to him?" "Am I going to get a penalty if I tackle him?"

Maybe being a situational pass rusher will allow him to regain the confidence he had in College to get to the QB every now and then. I think most DEs converted to OLB begin in the pass rusher role anyways. Someone with more knowledge could confirm this. Just a hunch.

Bubbajwp
09-28-2005, 02:06 PM
That's the same strategy I use with women!!! :jk:
:fib Your girl friend is probably right behind you waiting to :slap:

WiiBrawler
09-28-2005, 02:20 PM
Why did the texans sign Morlon Greenwood? Its all his fault, if he didnt sign, Sharper would still be here, we'd be allowing around 20 23 points a game. Why did the texans trade for Phillip Buchanon he is a pansy, he doesnt
know what he is doing out there, we could have drafted a leginemnt reciever and a Pass Proctecter.

I miss Jamie Sharper and Aaron Glenn

jppaul
09-28-2005, 02:35 PM
You have nothing interesting to say.

Since when were so many people against pictures?

You better not own a camera

It tends to get a little annoying when you have to click the page down button three times to get to the next post.

infantrycak
09-28-2005, 04:00 PM
Maybe being a situational pass rusher will allow him to regain the confidence he had in College to get to the QB every now and then. I think most DEs converted to OLB begin in the pass rusher role anyways. Someone with more knowledge could confirm this. Just a hunch.

To give an example for your point, top half of the 1st round draft pick Terrell Suggs was a situational pass rusher his 1st year and may have only become the starter as soon as he did due to injury.

rmartin65
09-28-2005, 04:20 PM
i think babin can bounce back.

SESupergenius
09-28-2005, 04:48 PM
I think Babin will be fine. Capers for some strange reason loves the baptism by fire concept. I personally don't agree with it because the newness and speed of the NFL is a little overwhelming for a lot of players. It's best to sit Babin for a bit, give him time to clear his head and make better decisions. This should piss him off so look for a sack by him this game.

Buzz
09-28-2005, 05:35 PM
I thought it was kind of interesting to go back and read some of the things people were saying about Babin when he was in college. One guy said he "plays with a lot of energy and the kind of quick ramp-up speed that is crucial to being one of the game’s elite sackmasters". I really doubt he could ever be among the best, but if they keep him focused on one thing, instead of having him where he ends up thinking too much and acting tentative, maybe he could become good at it. He averaged about 30 tackles for a loss and 15 sacks in his last two years before he was drafted, and I think you could call it a succesful move if he manages to get a third of that or close to it for the rest of the season.

BradK10
09-28-2005, 07:04 PM
i dont care if they don't make sense, the picture posts are hilarious

BradK10
09-28-2005, 07:05 PM
PS--while Babin is on the bench, the Texans have evidently announced he will come in on 3rd downs against the Bengals according to 610 am.

So that's like bringing in the situational ANTI pass rusher? Ahhhh, makes sense

TexansTrueFan
09-28-2005, 07:33 PM
wow, Babin has talent, but hey wouldn't you like to see him in the middle of the defense. I would like him in Greenwood's spot, except he cant cover, but he would be better at taking on blockers and making tackles. In the 80's 4-6 defense that chicago ran when the switched to a 3-4 subset they had a larger "tweener" guy next to singletary and it worked really well. it just might be something to think about.


ok well part of an ILB job is to cover,,,so thatd be a little pointless.

edo783
09-28-2005, 07:45 PM
I think our defensive scheme has a lot to due with his production. It is well known it is a complicated, read and react scheme (sucks as far as I am concerned). I suspect he would do very well in an attacking type defense (see Steve Foley). With some time to learn this one (it's said it takes 2-3 years) he might be real good, but he also may not be. If he went to SD, I think he would shine.

Honoring Earl 34
09-28-2005, 08:02 PM
:texflag: Can Babin play Left tackle ? Just kidding .

I do think the Texans coaches have created the dullest pro team in sports . No scoring , no turnovers , no sacks . Pretty soon the chearleaders will be wearing full length skirts .

rmartin65
09-28-2005, 08:53 PM
Pretty soon the chearleaders will be wearing full length skirts .
say its not so!

Scottyboy
09-28-2005, 11:30 PM
I agree with the Earl Van! COme on Mr.Mcnair, these coaches gotta go!!

Now on to what this tread was about, Jason Babin. He looked great in College, i really think it is Capers System that has alot of players not playing full speed. This D Scheme is Horrible!!! I have no Idea how he was a D.Coordinator, or a Head coach much less!!

Babin and Peek Will shine when the door hits Capers in the ars! :texans:

Davis37
09-29-2005, 03:35 AM
:texflag: Can Babin play Left tackle ? Just kidding .

I do think the Texans coaches have created the dullest pro team in sports . No scoring , no turnovers , no sacks . Pretty soon the chearleaders will be wearing full length skirts .

I agree. If we cant salvage this season, I would like to see Capers gone and get an offensive minded HC and a blitzaholic DC. Im tired of seeing our defense get teams to 3rd and long just to have them convert. We only blitz 1 guy (not including our 3 down linemen) and have the rest run around in circles till they get past the 1st down line... I wanna see us bring the heat! I want to see 6 guys flying at the QB on 3rd and 6... I want to see us overload one side of the line and force some bad throws!
:twocents: :shrug:

outofhnd
09-29-2005, 04:06 AM
That would be great if there was a guarantee we would get to the QB.

The whole problem is obvious, we thought Babin would be that guy (lamar lathan, Pat Swilling, Kevin Greene, Greg Lloyd,) that could get to the QB in Capers system, and so far he isnt. I think part of his problem is his fascination with the spin move.. Everytime its totally ineffective. He is obviously giving himself away to the offense so they know what he is going to do he needs to change up his defensive moves and use his speed to pull the RT tackle outside then Swim back to the inside. when a QB sees his lineman moving back expecting the outside rush his natural reaction will be to step up into the pocket. If executed correctly Babin should atleast get a hand on the qb, a holding call, or ideally the sack.

Malloy
09-29-2005, 05:00 AM
Ah...the benefit of being able to purchase throwback jerseys (Roger Staubach, Troy Aikman, Emmitt Smith, etc.). :)

I guess that the Jamie Sharper jersey would be considered throwback too now ? :)

touttail
09-29-2005, 10:29 AM
:texflag: Can Babin play Left tackle ? .

Now that's a thought! Bet they would at least try anything at this point.


bobby 119C :brickwall

Davis37
09-29-2005, 01:57 PM
That would be great if there was a guarantee we would get to the QB.

The whole problem is obvious, we thought Babin would be that guy (lamar lathan, Pat Swilling, Kevin Greene, Greg Lloyd,) that could get to the QB in Capers system, and so far he isnt. I think part of his problem is his fascination with the spin move.. Everytime its totally ineffective. He is obviously giving himself away to the offense so they know what he is going to do he needs to change up his defensive moves and use his speed to pull the RT tackle outside then Swim back to the inside. when a QB sees his lineman moving back expecting the outside rush his natural reaction will be to step up into the pocket. If executed correctly Babin should atleast get a hand on the qb, a holding call, or ideally the sack.

I see the same thing. Babin either tries the spin move or he just runs into the OT and stops. Its like he is too slow to get around the edge, and too weak to try to bull rush him. I think Babin needs to spend alot of time in the weight room.

Honoring Earl 34
09-29-2005, 03:30 PM
:tomato: I think Babin tries hard he just is'nt an explosive athelete . Has anyone ever seen him knock the snot out of anyone on a tackle . I've seen Peek hit people so hard their heads snapped sideways . I bet Babin's not close to the 4.6 he ran at the combine .

touttail
09-29-2005, 04:34 PM
It's the tattoos man-it's the tattoos. Makes anyone look like a bad***!

bobby 119C

ccdude730
09-29-2005, 05:11 PM
I bet Babin's not close to the 4.6 he ran at the combine .

im not sure about his speed, but last season i saw him chase down LT on the sideline and knock him out of bounce.

...too bad he got a penalty on that play though. but he does have speed.

jppaul
09-29-2005, 07:53 PM
im not sure about his speed, but last season i saw him chase down LT on the sideline and knock him out of bounce.

...too bad he got a penalty on that play though. but he does have speed.

I think Babin is a little to heavy to be playing OLB right now. What is he 267 270? I think if he got down to 250 he would be an explosive athlete and a much better OLB

stevo3883
09-29-2005, 08:53 PM
:tomato: I think Babin tries hard he just is'nt an explosive athelete . Has anyone ever seen him knock the snot out of anyone on a tackle . I've seen Peek hit people so hard their heads snapped sideways . I bet Babin's not close to the 4.6 he ran at the combine .


exactly, at the combine Babin had just shed 20 pounds and ran much faster than he is now.

A true workout warrior

infantrycak
09-29-2005, 10:29 PM
exactly, at the combine Babin had just shed 20 pounds and ran much faster than he is now.

A true workout warrior

The commentators agreed at the time Babin was playing at way over his weight at 280 lbs and was at much more his normal weight at 260 lbs. He had been tryting to bulk up to DE in the NFL, OLB is his natural position or nothing.

Honoring Earl 34
09-29-2005, 10:40 PM
:texflag: Is it better to draft a player who has to add weight before the combine or is it better to draft a player who has to lose weight to have a good combine ?
Derrick Johnson had to bulk up ... Babin had to drop twenty . If they both return to their natural weight , who has the advantage ?

beerlover
09-29-2005, 11:25 PM
Is it better to draft a player who has to add weight before the combine or is it better to draft a player who has to lose weight to have a good combine?

the combine is all about measurables. so it depends on the position & the weight or speed required. The athletes of today are so much more specialized and toned by trainers, diet specialists, they are able to tweek their bodies as desired after their playing weight during the season. this is also a prime time for the abuse of steriods to enhance performance. my thinking would question the player who adds or losses significant weight from his listed playing weight, however there are always exceptions :rolleyes:

johnboy
09-30-2005, 07:37 AM
Babin never loss 20 lbs for the combide.I don't know where that came from,he did train for 4 months after his last college game in N J .I don't believe he ever played at 280.He played great against Iowa,Mich. Wis. Vir. & Vir Tech.He will become a good player for the Texans I think he played OK last year and he should improve his play this year.Why isn't anyone on this board is saying anything about his shoulder problem maybe thats why he is not playing to this boards standards.Also don't forget he didn't ask the Texans to give up 4 picks in the draft to get him.(That always keeps coming up on this board)

infantrycak
09-30-2005, 07:57 AM
There were multiple reports around the time of the draft that Babin had played as high as the low 280's and that he had lost a lot of his explosiveness at that weight, hence his label as a tweener--not a Jason Taylor, Freeney physical freak that can make 265 work at DE and not able to carry more weight on his body. Nothing wrong with that and frankly it looks to me after having watched him for a couple years like he could actually drop down to 250 or so and be faster and more effective as he still looks a little soft at 260+. As for a shoulder injury, maybe we don't give it any credit because we haven't heard anything about one. Care to fill us in?

T.I.C.E.
09-30-2005, 09:29 AM
If you think Babin is Garbage look at who we brought in and decided not to sign..................................



http://media.theinsiders.com/Media/NFL/149073_cin-peter-ap.JPG

For those of you who are Ravens Linebacker Impaired. They have a linebacker factor over there. That's Peter Bowlware making a play on the team we are playing this week. Instead of getting rid of Sharper, we should have paired the former http://www.entrcon.com/events/rav/ravensb.jpg back together!!!!!!


YOUNG because he still has to finish this season and play his Sr year so he will be much better than he is right now and thats scary............Chris Leak is also an option in my heart :rolleyes:

T.I.C.E.
09-30-2005, 09:35 AM
I think Babin is a little to heavy to be playing OLB right now. What is he 267 270? I think if he got down to 250 he would be an explosive athlete and a much better OLB


Peek is bigger than Babs Bunny (J. Babin). I dont care what the board says I saw them at the Cowgirls game up close in person and Babs is smaller and Knock-kneed!!! :yahoo:

infantrycak
09-30-2005, 10:13 AM
Peek is bigger than Babs Bunny (J. Babin). I dont care what the board says I saw them at the Cowgirls game up close in person and Babs is smaller and Knock-kneed!!! :yahoo:

You need to be more specific. Peek is taller, but Babin is heavier. Pick what you define as bigger.

johnboy
09-30-2005, 11:27 AM
Look at the Texans site he is listed as proable shoulder

Porky
09-30-2005, 05:43 PM
I agree with the Earl Van! COme on Mr.Mcnair, these coaches gotta go!!

Now on to what this tread was about, Jason Babin. He looked great in College, i really think it is Capers System that has alot of players not playing full speed. This D Scheme is Horrible!!! I have no Idea how he was a D.Coordinator, or a Head coach much less!!

Babin and Peek Will shine when the door hits Capers in the ars! :texans:

You know, I have to say I agree with this. How do players regress like this? Because they are thinking and reacting, and not playing instinctively. This **** is four years old now. Come on Mcnair, we need a change, and time is a wastin. :bomb:

edo783
09-30-2005, 09:44 PM
That is what I have been saying for two years. The defense isn't a dissruptive one, but a read and react type and that is causing delays in getting things done and we are not going after the QB aggresivly. All of which adds up to something kind of wierd.....a passive defense.

SESupergenius
10-01-2005, 08:04 PM
Just like when Sharper was dinged up at the end of the year last year, people around here were flying off the handle that he was not good anymore. Well Babins play may have been inhibited as well

Jason Babin did not practice Friday because of a shoulder injury that has bothered him the past few weeks.
Babin is listed as doubtful. If he cannot play, Charlie Anderson will back up first-time starter Shantee Orr. Oct. 1 - 10:24 am e