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Marcus
09-25-2005, 04:29 PM
Both looked like injuries that were season ending, but can't be sure. But they were both carted off, unable to walk at all.

Matt Light is the left tackle who can handle Freeney. Big loss!

nunusguy
09-25-2005, 05:50 PM
This is a very entertaining game between 2 tremendous teams. I can't get over the pass protection each OL is giving its QB. How good is the Steelers D, hey we know about that but NEs OL is so good they give Brady time in
the pocket. And Brady is talented - he has burnt that Steeler blitz a couple of times that did a number on Carr and the Texans last week.

nunusguy
09-25-2005, 06:56 PM
Hey, that's why they are the SB champs - go into Pittsburgh and win a
really big game like that. My only problem with the Pats is that so much football talent is wasted on Boston. Don't get me wrong, spent a weekend there once and really enjoyed seeing Bean Town, but they don't have real
football fans there. That place is all about Hockey and Basketball when it comes to sports. I'll bet there's not but 2 or 3 locals that play for Boston
Colleges football team.

Marcus
09-25-2005, 07:04 PM
I can't get over the pass protection each OL is giving its QB.

That's what's making me so ******* mad about the Texans. They've made it so I can't even enjoy another NFL football game.

You know what? **** the Texans, and the horses they rode in on. :mad:



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Vendetta, R.
09-25-2005, 08:07 PM
[QUOTE=nunusguy]Hey, that's why they are the SB champs - go into Pittsburgh and win a
really big game like that. My only problem with the Pats is that so much football talent is wasted on Boston. Don't get me wrong, spent a weekend there once and really enjoyed seeing Bean Town, but they don't have real
football fans there. That place is all about Hockey and Basketball when it comes to sports. I'll bet there's not but 2 or 3 locals that play for Boston
Colleges football team.




heard of the red sox?

nunusguy
09-26-2005, 10:08 AM
heard of the red sox?
You're so right and I stand corrected, major faux pau on my part. I do know
the Red Sox are huge up there. But I have the distinct impression that football at the grass roots level (scholastic), in New England is about as important as lacrosse is in Texas.

nunusguy
09-26-2005, 10:25 AM
That's what's making me so ******* mad about the Texans. They've made it so I can't even enjoy another NFL football game.

You know what? **** the Texans, and the horses they rode in on. :mad:



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Now don't go lose all hope Marcus. Of course the year is off to the worse start of any in our young franchises history and the whole year may be a failure, but you gotta think long-term. Teams can go from say 4-12 one
year to 11-5 the next (and vice versa) - we have examples of this every year in the NFL in these times. And its just hard for me to believe our basic level of talent (to include the OL), is that inferior, notwithstanding a few glaring mistakes it looks like we may have made in personnel decisions. Whether its Carr, the OL, coaching staff, whatever, I got a lot of faith in
Bob McNair. He will get this thing turned around.

WildBlackBear32
09-26-2005, 10:37 AM
Hey, that's why they are the SB champs - go into Pittsburgh and win a
really big game like that. My only problem with the Pats is that so much football talent is wasted on Boston. Don't get me wrong, spent a weekend there once and really enjoyed seeing Bean Town, but they don't have real
football fans there. That place is all about Hockey and Basketball when it comes to sports. I'll bet there's not but 2 or 3 locals that play for Boston
Colleges football team.


Depends how you define locals. If you are going by New England players(which you should as before UConn, BC was the only D-1 School in New England), then BC has quite a few. I just looked it up, didn't do a straight count, but I'd say there are about 20 New England players playing at BC(Including a childhood friend of mine, who I just found out plays there...All 6'3 361 of him lol )


Edit:Yahoo listed him as 361. Turns out BC's site lists him as 243...LOL! There is a small difference there...)

nunusguy
09-26-2005, 11:35 AM
Depends how you define locals. If you are going by New England players(which you should as before UConn, BC was the only D-1 School in New England), then BC has quite a few. I just looked it up, didn't do a straight count, but I'd say there are about 20 New England players playing at BC(Including a childhood friend of mine, who I just found out plays there...All 6'3 361 of him lol )
Edit:Yahoo listed him as 361. Turns out BC's site lists him as 243...LOL! There is a small difference there...)
OK, but I'm not talking about guys who just suit up for games, or even front
line reserves. I'm talking about starters. If you have a substantial fraction
of starters from the NE area (Mass, Maine, Conn), then I'd have to say I'm a victim of my own regional prejudices re sports preferences. But I tend to
think the vast majority of the starting players will come from places like PA and other states beyond NE.

GoPats
09-26-2005, 11:37 AM
Hey, that's why they are the SB champs - go into Pittsburgh and win a
really big game like that. My only problem with the Pats is that so much football talent is wasted on Boston. Don't get me wrong, spent a weekend there once and really enjoyed seeing Bean Town, but they don't have real
football fans there. That place is all about Hockey and Basketball when it comes to sports. I'll bet there's not but 2 or 3 locals that play for Boston
Colleges football team.

No offense, but that's a load of steamin' chrappe. Call Gillette Stadium and put your name in for season tickets. There's a waiting list numbered in the thousands. Since 2001, this area has been Patriots crazy. The Sox obviously are still #1 in this town, but the Bruins? Celtics? Those games never sell out anymore.

This area doesn't produce a lot of professional football players, but that has nothing to do with the fan base. "Real" football fans? Try sitting in Gillette Stadium when it's -40 with the windchill. You'll be crying in your beer for the cozy domed confines of your oversized high school field house!


:ninja:

Ihategeeks
09-26-2005, 11:45 AM
I got no sympathy when a dirty player gets injured.

Matt Light was a big loss, you could see that in the pass protection, without him the Patriots looked like the Lions / Texans.

WildBlackBear32
09-26-2005, 11:55 AM
OK, but I'm not talking about guys who just suit up for games, or even front
line reserves. I'm talking about starters. If you have a substantial fraction
of starters from the NE area (Mass, Maine, Conn), then I'd have to say I'm a victim of my own regional prejudices re sports preferences. But I tend to
think the vast majority of the starting players will come from places like PA and other states beyond NE.

Porter = Starting QB = Maine
Whitworth = Starting RB = Mass
Blackmon = Starting WR/CB = Rhode Island
Gonzales = Slot WR = Mass
Pruitt = Starting LB = Mass
Willis = Rotating DE = Mass
Silva = Safety = Rhode Island
Cherilus = Starting RT = Mass

If you expand the "region" with just New York, you get a whole new can of worms.

Huge
09-26-2005, 12:52 PM
No offense, but that's a load of steamin' chrappe. Call Gillette Stadium and put your name in for season tickets. There's a waiting list numbered in the thousands. Since 2001, this area has been Patriots crazy. The Sox obviously are still #1 in this town, but the Bruins? Celtics? Those games never sell out anymore.

This area doesn't produce a lot of professional football players, but that has nothing to do with the fan base. "Real" football fans? Try sitting in Gillette Stadium when it's -40 with the windchill. You'll be crying in your beer for the cozy domed confines of your oversized high school field house!


:ninja:
"Since 2001" - Wow...all the way back then, huh?

And why aren't the Celtics and Bruins selling their games out anymore? I know they used to when they were winning titles.

Pointing out their attendance success after they won Super Bowls is not an indication of their devotion. How long was the season ticket list before then?

Double Barrel
09-26-2005, 01:06 PM
To be fair, very few teams consistently sell out their stadiums when bad product takes the field.

But back OT, does anyone else get the feeling that the Patriots could lose Harrison and still win games regardless? Man, envy envy envy on this football fan's part. It must be nice. :rolleyes:

Great game, though! Games like that are why I'm a pro-football fan...where I can watch any given game, regardless if my team is in it, because football rules. I can't say that about other sports, IMO. Reason I'm a football fan and not necessarily a "sports" fan.

Youngstown Colt
09-26-2005, 01:07 PM
To be fair, very few teams consistently sell out their stadiums when bad product takes the field.Cleveland does.

Reddevil63
09-26-2005, 01:07 PM
"Since 2001" - Wow...all the way back then, huh?

And why aren't the Celtics and Bruins selling their games out anymore? I know they used to when they were winning titles.

Pointing out their attendance success after they won Super Bowls is not an indication of their devotion. How long was the season ticket list before then?
Exactly what I thought of when I read that. When you guys can sell out every home game after going through 3 losing seasons and a 4th thats not looking so great, then you can say how devoted your fans are. We just can seem to get our fans out of the parking lot and into their seats... :cool:

Double Barrel
09-26-2005, 01:09 PM
Cleveland does.

And Cleveland is one of the very few I was talking about. :D

GoPats
09-26-2005, 01:32 PM
"Since 2001" - Wow...all the way back then, huh?

And why aren't the Celtics and Bruins selling their games out anymore? I know they used to when they were winning titles.

Pointing out their attendance success after they won Super Bowls is not an indication of their devotion. How long was the season ticket list before then?

Before you jumped all over my comment, the point was that since 2001 the Patriots have shared the bulk of New England's collective sports consciousness with the Red Sox. The season ticket waiting list actually goes back to 1995, after Bill Parcells took over and when Drew Bledsoe was a young star on the rise. I'm not a moron, so please don't go there.

You're forgetting that this team was the doormat of the NFL for a lot of years. Anyone recall who was playing quarterback for the Patriots in, say, 1992, just to throw out a year?

I would also point out that places where stadiums sell out, despite how bad the team may be (someone mentioned Cleveland, so let's stick with that as an example), have -- at the very least -- some kind of championship past. The Browns won titles, so the area's culture was infused with football. Plus it's Ohio, of course. Conversely, if your team has a history of futility and no titles or glory to look back upon, you're not going to build a lasting fan base. Prior to 2001, the Patriots were a joke. Their best player and only Hall of Famer is an offensive guard. Their stadium was an aluminum can, they were constantly threatening to move to St. Louis, and they had one Super Bowl appearance that was memorable for a 350-pound lineman scoring a rushing TD against them. 46-10 was the score of SB20, in case you missed it.

There was no "tradition of winning" here in football prior to 2001. You can think of us as Johnny-Come-Latelys if you want, but I've been watching since the days when Jim Plunkett didn't wear silver-and-black and instead chucked footballs in Foxboro. Making a generalization that all northeasterners are football ignorants is like me saying anyone from the south is (fill in any stereotypical cultural insult that you want... I'd rather not).

And I know how much it must have sucked to have the Oilers move to Tennessee. You can't compare a Texas city that LOST a football team and regained one to any other city. Of course you're going to have a strong fan base, no matter what. That's a no-brainer. Maybe at some point your team will actually give you something to cheer about. The Red Sox left us hanging for decades, and still sold out. I'm sure Reliant will too.

nunusguy
09-26-2005, 03:48 PM
Porter = Starting QB = Maine
Whitworth = Starting RB = Mass
Blackmon = Starting WR/CB = Rhode Island
Gonzales = Slot WR = Mass
Pruitt = Starting LB = Mass
Willis = Rotating DE = Mass
Silva = Safety = Rhode Island
Cherilus = Starting RT = Mass
If you expand the "region" with just New York, you get a whole new can of worms.
If those guys are all starters, then you've obviously got something like a third or more of the 22 starters from NE, and thats a higher percentage than what I would have thought. As far as including players from NY, I don't think of that state as being in the area that is thought of as NE, but being from Maine you would know more about that than me.

WildBlackBear32
09-26-2005, 04:03 PM
If those guys are all starters, then you've obviously got something like a third or more of the 22 starters from NE, and thats a higher percentage than what I would have thought. As far as including players from NY, I don't think of that state as being in the area that is thought of as NE, but being from Maine you would know more about that than me.

Nah, NY isnt part of New England, but it sure seems like it when you travel in the "big" part of New York(not LI or NYC) from it being so damn deserted lol.

JustBonee
09-26-2005, 07:36 PM
Somebody really goofed ... 52 second clock error in the game yesterday:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2173143

Huge
09-27-2005, 09:41 AM
Before you jumped all over my comment, the point was that since 2001 the Patriots have shared the bulk of New England's collective sports consciousness with the Red Sox. The season ticket waiting list actually goes back to 1995, after Bill Parcells took over and when Drew Bledsoe was a young star on the rise. I'm not a moron, so please don't go there.

You're forgetting that this team was the doormat of the NFL for a lot of years. Anyone recall who was playing quarterback for the Patriots in, say, 1992, just to throw out a year?

I would also point out that places where stadiums sell out, despite how bad the team may be (someone mentioned Cleveland, so let's stick with that as an example), have -- at the very least -- some kind of championship past. The Browns won titles, so the area's culture was infused with football. Plus it's Ohio, of course. Conversely, if your team has a history of futility and no titles or glory to look back upon, you're not going to build a lasting fan base. Prior to 2001, the Patriots were a joke. Their best player and only Hall of Famer is an offensive guard. Their stadium was an aluminum can, they were constantly threatening to move to St. Louis, and they had one Super Bowl appearance that was memorable for a 350-pound lineman scoring a rushing TD against them. 46-10 was the score of SB20, in case you missed it.

There was no "tradition of winning" here in football prior to 2001. You can think of us as Johnny-Come-Latelys if you want, but I've been watching since the days when Jim Plunkett didn't wear silver-and-black and instead chucked footballs in Foxboro. Making a generalization that all northeasterners are football ignorants is like me saying anyone from the south is (fill in any stereotypical cultural insult that you want... I'd rather not).

And I know how much it must have sucked to have the Oilers move to Tennessee. You can't compare a Texas city that LOST a football team and regained one to any other city. Of course you're going to have a strong fan base, no matter what. That's a no-brainer. Maybe at some point your team will actually give you something to cheer about. The Red Sox left us hanging for decades, and still sold out. I'm sure Reliant will too.
You don't have to be a moron to make a moronic statement. When you claimed New England has been "Patriots crazy" since right after winning a Super Bowl and think that that's a true measure of your devotion as fans could classify as a moronic statement.

I think it's great that you've been around since the Jim Plunkett days. I've been around since the days of Roger Staubach and never went anywhere during the late 80's/90's. Does that mean Dallas is chocked full of diehards because of my actions? No, we have fair weather fans like anybody. The dropoff off in attendance of the Celtics and Bruins was just an example of how Boston has its share. Although I do feel, that as a group, Boston has some of the best/knowledgeable fans around (except for the two I work with ;) ).

Oh...Hugh Millen (Patriots' QB in '92) :)

GoPats
09-27-2005, 11:09 AM
You don't have to be a moron to make a moronic statement. When you claimed New England has been "Patriots crazy" since right after winning a Super Bowl and think that that's a true measure of your devotion as fans could classify as a moronic statement.

I think it's great that you've been around since the Jim Plunkett days. I've been around since the days of Roger Staubach and never went anywhere during the late 80's/90's. Does that mean Dallas is chocked full of diehards because of my actions? No, we have fair weather fans like anybody. The dropoff off in attendance of the Celtics and Bruins was just an example of how Boston has its share. Although I do feel, that as a group, Boston has some of the best/knowledgeable fans around (except for the two I work with ;) ).

Oh...Hugh Millen (Patriots' QB in '92) :)

Nice call! I didn't think anyone would pull Hugh Millen's name out of the archives.

I think I'm doing a bad job of explaining this. But to understand the Boston sports scene, you have to realize that the Red Sox always have been tops... even when the Celtics were great in the 60s and 80s, even when the Bruins won cups in the 70s...

So the Patriots moving to the front of the line is more significant than in other towns, especially with the Sox finally breaking The Curse. Sure it took a SB win to get there, but for the original poster to imply that any titles or the Patriots' greatness has been "wasted" because they represent the Northeast is something I took exception to. My apologies if I've pissed anyone off in the process of rebutting that notion, but I've suffered through a lot, personally, as a Pats fan!

Huge
09-27-2005, 01:22 PM
I think many in Houston can relate to this.

Texas is a football state. The other sports really aren't even close. But that didn't stop the city of Houston from moving the Rockets up to the forefront after they won NBA titles in the mid-90's.

I grew up in the area. I knew all about their (Rockets) lack of support (first round of the '94 playoffs weren't even selling out). Just about everybody I knew were Lakers fans (go figure). But when I went back home for a week of leave in the summer '94, all of a sudden everybody was a Rockets fan in an area not known for supporting basketball.

That sounds pretty similar to me with Boston and their Red Sox and Patriots (although I doubt many in the area supported another NFL team other than the Patriots).

GoPats
09-27-2005, 04:19 PM
That sounds pretty similar to me with Boston and their Red Sox and Patriots (although I doubt many in the area supported another NFL team other than the Patriots).

Most of Connecticuit roots for the Giants, but that's OK. They're more like "residential New York" than part of New England anyway!

Thanks -- good luck the rest of the season...

JustBonee
09-27-2005, 05:33 PM
Sassy, notice how the Patriot fans just kinda skipped over your post? Put an asterisk on this season! :)
I'll give him a pass on that. :)

GoPats
09-28-2005, 08:32 AM
What's there to battle about regarding the clock goof-up?

There was 14:51 (or 13:something) left in the game. It's not like they put 52 seconds back on the clock right before the Patriots' final drive. You can't logically tell me that this gave any advantage to either team at the time of the error. One event sets off a chain of others, so no one can say with any certainty what would have happened if the officials hadn't made that mistake.

Maybe the Steelers would have been more desperate on the game-tying drive (with less time left) and would have made a mistake. Maybe the Patriots would have run when they passed near the end. A whole slew of questions and uncertainties arise from this, so no one can sit there and say that this gave the Patriots a direct, distinct advantage.

Huge
09-28-2005, 09:52 AM
I don't know...New England did need all 13 points scored in the 4th quarter. Consider:

Patriots 1st drive of the 4th quarter - 7 plays, 86 yards, 3:42 TOP (TD)
Patriots 2nd drive of the 4th quarter - 7 plays, 59 yards, 4:08 TOP (FG)
Patriots 3rd drive of the 4th quarter - 5 plays, 37 yards, 1:20 TOP (FG)

Their winning FG left :01 on the clock. In reality, they should've started their last drive with just :28 to go in the game. Would that have been enough time to get into FG range? Enquiring minds would like to know...


:jk: , GoPats. We gotta pick our battles where we can. :)

GoPats
09-28-2005, 10:07 AM
:jk: , GoPats. We gotta pick our battles where we can. :)

Amen to that...

You guys are on to me. I was at Gillette on Sunday. I gave the official scoreboard operator the rest of my beer and a coupon for a free 6" at Subway in exchange for those 52 seconds.