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awtysst
09-24-2005, 04:16 PM
Why? Why the hell not?!
Its early? So what?!

SENIORS ONLY

Round 1

1. San Francisco 49ers - Reggie Bush RB USC
2. Green Bay Packers - Mario Williams DE North Carolina State
3. Minnesota Vikings - Laurence Maroney RB Minnesota
4. Arizona Cardinals - Matt Leinhart QB USC
5. Houston Texans - D'Brickashaw Ferguson OT Virginia
6. Denver Broncos(via/Washington) - Eric Winston OT Miami(FL)
7. Tennessee Titans - Mathias Kiwanuka DE Boston College
8. Denver Broncos - Rodrique Wright DT Texas
9. Oakland Raiders - Omar Jacobs QB Bowling Green
10. Detroit Lions - Jonathan Scott OT Texas
11. Baltimore Ravens - Winston Justice OT USC
12. San Diego Chargers - Jimmy Williams DB Virginia Tech
13. Clevelans Browns - A.J. Hawk LB Ohio State
14. Miami Dolphins - Chad Greenway LB Iowa
15. Seattle Seahawks - DeAngelo Williams RB Memphis
16. St. Louis Rams - Jason Allen DB Tennessee
17. New Orleans Saints - Abdul Hodge LB Iowa
18. Chicago Bears - Marcus McNeil OT Auburn
19. New York Giants - Haloti Ngata DT Oregon
20. New York Jets - Devin Hester CB Miami(FL)
21. Buffalo Bills - Marcedes Lewis TE UCLA
22. Cincinnatti Bengals - Darnell Bing S USC
23. Philadelphia Eagles - Martin Nance WR Miami(OH)
24. Kansas City Chiefs - Derek Hagan WR Arizona State
25. Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Santonio Holmes WR Ohio State
26. Jacksonville Jaguars - Laron Landry S LSU
27. Dallas Cowboys - Michael Huff S Texas
28. Indianapolis Colts - DonTrell Moore RB New Mexico
29. Atlanta Falcons - Daryn Colledge OT Boise State
30. Pittsburgh Steelers - LenDale White RB USC
31. Carolina Panthers - Bobby Carpenter LB Ohio State
32. New England Patriots - Will Blackmon CB/WR Boston College

Fldvldog
09-24-2005, 04:28 PM
Why? Why the hell not?!
Its early? So what?!

SENIORS ONLY

Round 1

1. San Francisco 49ers - Reggie Bush RB USC
2. Green Bay Packers - Mario Williams DE North Carolina State
3. Minnesota Vikings - Laurence Maroney RB Minnesota
4. Arizona Cardinals - Matt Leinhart QB USC
5. Houston Texans - D'Brickashaw Ferguson OT Virginia
6. Denver Broncos(via/Washington) - Eric Winston OT Miami(FL)
7. Tennessee Titans - Mathias Kiwanuka DE Boston College
8. Denver Broncos - Rodrique Wright DT Texas
9. Oakland Raiders - Omar Jacobs QB Bowling Green
10. Detroit Lions - Jonathan Scott OT Texas
11. Baltimore Ravens - Winston Justice OT USC
12. San Diego Chargers - Jimmy Williams DB Virginia Tech
13. Clevelans Browns - A.J. Hawk LB Ohio State
14. Miami Dolphins - Chad Greenway LB Iowa
15. Seattle Seahawks - DeAngelo Williams RB Memphis
16. St. Louis Rams - Jason Allen DB Tennessee
17. New Orleans Saints - Abdul Hodge LB Iowa
18. Chicago Bears - Marcus McNeil OT Auburn
19. New York Giants - Haloti Ngata DT Oregon
20. New York Jets - Devin Hester CB Miami(FL)
21. Buffalo Bills - Marcedes Lewis TE UCLA
22. Cincinnatti Bengals - Darnell Bing S USC
23. Philadelphia Eagles - Martin Nance WR Miami(OH)
24. Kansas City Chiefs - Derek Hagan WR Arizona State
25. Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Santonio Holmes WR Ohio State
26. Jacksonville Jaguars - Laron Landry S LSU
27. Dallas Cowboys - Michael Huff S Texas
28. Indianapolis Colts - DonTrell Moore RB New Mexico
29. Atlanta Falcons - Daryn Colledge OT Boise State
30. Pittsburgh Steelers - LenDale White RB USC
31. Carolina Panthers - Bobby Carpenter LB Ohio State
32. New England Patriots - Will Blackmon CB/WR Boston College


- Moroney will not be a top 5 pick
- Jacksonville does not need a safety
- Matt Leinart will not fall to the 4th pick
- Devin Hester is not a 1st rounder
- Arizona and Green Bay won't do that bad
- Cleveland wont do that good
- Houston, Tennessee, and Miami will be picking higher (closer to #1)
- Omar Jacobs, Reggie Bush, and Devin Hester are not seniors

beerlover
09-24-2005, 04:46 PM
like he said its early, so what I like it although I'd be saddened to see the Texans falter this badly but at least D'Brickshaw is the silver lining :cool:

Fldvldog
09-24-2005, 05:08 PM
1. San Francisco - Reggie Bush, RB
2. Houston - D'Brickashaw Furguson, OT
3. Tennessee - Matt Leinart, QB
4. Cleveland - Eric Winston, OT
5. Denver - Mathias Kiwnuka, DE
6. Miami - Omar Jacobs, QB
7. Minnesota - DeAngelo Williams, RB
8. Green Bay - Mario Williams, DE
9. Wahington - Winston Justice, OT
10. Oakland - Jimmy Williams, CB
11. Arizona - AJ Hawk, OLB
12. Detroit - Marcus McNeill, OT
13. Baltimore - Jonathan Scott, OT
14. New Orleans - Chad Greenway, ILB
15. Chicago - Santanio Holmes, WR
16. Seattle - Rod Wright, DT
17. Buffalo - Calvin Johnson, WR
18. NY Giants - Ahmad Brooks, ILB
19. San Diego - Darnell Bing, S
20. St. Louis - Jason Allen, CB
21. NY Jets - Laron Landry, S
22. Cincinatti - Mercedes Lewis, TE
23. Tampa Bay - Derek Hagan, WR
24. Kansas City - Gabe Watson, DT
25. Jacksonville - Leonard Pope, TE
26. Atlanta - Derek Hagan, WR
27. Dallas - Haloti Ngala, DT
28. Indianapolis - Lawrence Moroney (No Edge next season, IMO)
29. Pittsburgh - Abdul Hodge, LB
30. Philidelphia - Bobby Carpenter, OLB
31. Carolina - Lendale White, RB
32. New England - Thomas Howard, OLB

beerlover
09-24-2005, 10:18 PM
1. San Francisco - Reggie Bush, RB
2. Houston - D'Brickashaw Furguson, OT
3. Tennessee - Matt Leinart, QB
4. Cleveland - Eric Winston, OT
5. Denver - Mathias Kiwnuka, DE
6. Miami - Omar Jacobs, QB
7. Minnesota - DeAngelo Williams, RB
8. Green Bay - Mario Williams, DE
9. Wahington - Winston Justice, OT
10. Oakland - Jimmy Williams, CB
11. Arizona - AJ Hawk, OLB
12. Detroit - Marcus McNeill, OT
13. Baltimore - Jonathan Scott, OT
14. New Orleans - Chad Greenway, ILB
15. Chicago - Santanio Holmes, WR
16. Seattle - Rod Wright, DT
17. Buffalo - Calvin Johnson, WR
18. NY Giants - Ahmad Brooks, ILB
19. San Diego - Darnell Bing, S
20. St. Louis - Jason Allen, CB
21. NY Jets - Laron Landry, S
22. Cincinatti - Mercedes Lewis, TE
23. Tampa Bay - Derek Hagan, WR
24. Kansas City - Gabe Watson, DT
25. Jacksonville - Leonard Pope, TE
26. Atlanta - Derek Hagan, WR
27. Dallas - Haloti Ngala, DT
28. Indianapolis - Lawrence Moroney (No Edge next season, IMO)
29. Pittsburgh - Abdul Hodge, LB
30. Philidelphia - Bobby Carpenter, OLB
31. Carolina - Lendale White, RB
32. New England - Thomas Howard, OLB

you both agree with Bush as #1 overall? to me he is a hybrid, no true position just get the ball in his hands to create, but not someone to build a team around, more effective for a team close to the Superbowl that needs to get over the top, or stay on top with declining talent.

both have D'Brickshaw to the Texans- no brainer

leinhart to the Cardinals makes more sense than the Titans

Marcus McNeil is the best OT after D'Brick

Maroney is an awesome back as is DeAngelo.

Fldvldog
09-24-2005, 11:02 PM
leinhart to the Cardinals makes more sense than the Titans




Leinart will not go to the Cardinals because the Cards will not do that bad. The titans are near desperation mode. They will take Leinart if he is available.

beerlover
09-24-2005, 11:37 PM
Leinart will not go to the Cardinals because the Cards will not do that bad. The titans are near desperation mode. They will take Leinart if he is available.

the Titans still have McNair with Billy Volek in the wings, Leinart just because Chow is the OC makes no sense to me, they have many other more pressing needs. I would tend to agree with awtysst they go defensive playmaker Kiwanuka out of Boston College, but then I thought they would go Rolle or Derrick Johnson in 05 :confused:

HomeBred_Texan
09-24-2005, 11:46 PM
Leinart will not go to the Cardinals because the Cards will not do that bad. The titans are near desperation mode. They will take Leinart if he is available.
Denver will package it's first round picks and get Leinart.

Fldvldog
09-25-2005, 08:35 AM
the Titans still have McNair with Billy Volek in the wings, Leinart just because Chow is the OC makes no sense to me, they have many other more pressing needs. I would tend to agree with awtysst they go defensive playmaker Kiwanuka out of Boston College, but then I thought they would go Rolle or Derrick Johnson in 05 :confused:


To tell you the truth, I'm not so sure that McNair will come back next year. He almost retired this offseason. Yes, they have Volek, but with all of this hype on Leinart, I don't see how they pass on him if they have a shot to get him. If they don't take Leinart, just take the best available. They need help everywhere...

TexansCanes
09-25-2005, 01:21 PM
are we still doing seniors only becuase there are alot of non seniors on the lists. hard to tell where every one goes because this year there are alot of teams that are either better than there records or worse and will more than likely come back to earth. i don't think winston goes top five after watching him this year. still not 100% and probably won't risk a very high pick to see if he returns to form. i still think we are picking a little lower than number 2 overall.

F-minus67
09-25-2005, 02:53 PM
On the first mock I think that the broncos would take Kiwi over Winston, since in thier o line scheme anyone can work it seems. While the d line is a complete mess. In the second mock I think that the raiders have a lot more pressing needs(passrusher) than a CB considering that they already have spent 3 1st round picks at that position. Other than that there are no glaring problems.

rmartin65
09-25-2005, 04:01 PM
i have not even thought about my mock yet.

Elite
09-25-2005, 04:56 PM
1. Houston- Matt LionHeart, QB
2. San Francisco - D'Brickashaw Furguson, OT
3. Tennessee - Reggie Bush, RB
4. Cleveland - Eric Winston, OT
5. Denver - Mathias Kiwnuka, DE
6. Miami - Omar Jacobs, QB
7. Minnesota - DeAngelo Williams, RB
8. Green Bay - Mario Williams, DE
9. Wahington - Winston Justice, OT
10. Oakland - Jimmy Williams, CB
11. Arizona - AJ Hawk, OLB
12. Detroit - Marcus McNeill, OT
13. Baltimore - Jonathan Scott, OT
14. New Orleans - Chad Greenway, ILB
15. Chicago - Santanio Holmes, WR
16. Seattle - Rod Wright, DT
17. Buffalo - Calvin Johnson, WR
18. NY Giants - Ahmad Brooks, ILB
19. San Diego - Darnell Bing, S
20. St. Louis - Jason Allen, CB
21. NY Jets - Laron Landry, S
22. Cincinatti - Mercedes Lewis, TE
23. Tampa Bay - Derek Hagan, WR
24. Kansas City - Gabe Watson, DT
25. Jacksonville - Leonard Pope, TE
26. Atlanta - Derek Hagan, WR
27. Dallas - Haloti Ngala, DT
28. Indianapolis - Lawrence Moroney (No Edge next season, IMO)
29. Pittsburgh - Abdul Hodge, LB
30. Philidelphia - Bobby Carpenter, OLB
31. Carolina - Lendale White, RB
32. New England - Thomas Howard, OLB

WildBlackBear32
09-25-2005, 05:37 PM
People honestly need to wake up with the Leinart to Houston ****. The LAST thing this team needs is a QB in a ****ing knee brace. Did you see him yesterday against Oregon? More than once, his knee just "gave out" when pushing off his right side. He would literally, scramble in the pocket, plant his foot, push off then fall. Yea, he's our savior. Come on, wake up.

WildBlackBear32
09-25-2005, 05:42 PM
1. San Francisco - Reggie Bush, RB
2. Houston - D'Brickashaw Furguson, OT
3. Tennessee - Matt Leinart, QB
4. Cleveland - Eric Winston, OT
5. Denver - Mathias Kiwnuka, DE
6. Miami - Omar Jacobs, QB
7. Minnesota - DeAngelo Williams, RB
8. Green Bay - Mario Williams, DE
9. Wahington - Winston Justice, OT
10. Oakland - Jimmy Williams, CB
11. Arizona - AJ Hawk, OLB
12. Detroit - Marcus McNeill, OT
13. Baltimore - Jonathan Scott, OT
14. New Orleans - Chad Greenway, ILB
15. Chicago - Santanio Holmes, WR
16. Seattle - Rod Wright, DT
17. Buffalo - Calvin Johnson, WR
18. NY Giants - Ahmad Brooks, ILB
19. San Diego - Darnell Bing, S
20. St. Louis - Jason Allen, CB
21. NY Jets - Laron Landry, S
22. Cincinatti - Mercedes Lewis, TE
23. Tampa Bay - Derek Hagan, WR
24. Kansas City - Gabe Watson, DT
25. Jacksonville - Leonard Pope, TE
26. Atlanta - Derek Hagan, WR
27. Dallas - Haloti Ngala, DT
28. Indianapolis - Lawrence Moroney (No Edge next season, IMO)
29. Pittsburgh - Abdul Hodge, LB
30. Philidelphia - Bobby Carpenter, OLB
31. Carolina - Lendale White, RB
32. New England - Thomas Howard, OLB


Not a bad mock but, Washington doesn't have a first.

I REALLY like Bush. I was sitting in a resturant watching the USC game and Bush was like a bigger Barry Sanders on a couple plays. I loved watching one play in particular, got the hand off, went up the middle, saw it was closing quickly, hit the hole to the left side, spins off one defender, as soon as he completed the spin, a defender dove for his legs. He placed his hand to regain balance, kept on ticking, bounced off another, finally a Dman got him by the ankles, Bush dragged him 3 yards before a DB and LB helped bring him down. Turned a 1 yard loss for most players into an 11 yard gain. In total, he broke 7 players/tackles and it took 3 players to finally get him down. That sold it for me.

Corrosion
09-25-2005, 06:29 PM
People honestly need to wake up with the Leinart to Houston ****. The LAST thing this team needs is a QB in a ****ing knee brace. Did you see him yesterday against Oregon? More than once, his knee just "gave out" when pushing off his right side. He would literally, scramble in the pocket, plant his foot, push off then fall. Yea, he's our savior. Come on, wake up.


I couldnt agree more .... Forget LeinFart ...... No way this team makes the same mistake again .... They have to be able to protect a QB (not to mention fill numerous other holes in the roster) before they go WASTE a pick on a QB with one good leg .



Leinart made a HUGE mistake not coming out after last season , Its gonna cost him a truck-load of cash .

WildBlackBear32
09-25-2005, 06:35 PM
I couldnt agree more .... Forget LeinFart ...... No way this team makes the same mistake again .... They have to be able to protect a QB (not to mention fill numerous other holes in the roster) before they go WASTE a pick on a QB with one good leg .



Leinart made a HUGE mistake not coming out after last season , Its gonna cost him a truck-load of cash .

I think everything is there with his throwing mechanics. Pretty big arm and very accurate. He doesn't always make the right decisisions. Numerous times, he's thrown into double coverage and narrowly avoided picks because he relies so much on his recievers talent. Realistically, he was just like Carr coming out. Relying on a big arm to get his speedy(Berrian in Carr's case) and talented(Jarret/Smith/Bush/5th WR who could start on any other program in Leinart's case) down the field to make catches. I would give Carr the edge in fact coming out, on the simple fact he has two knees and didn't have USC calibre talent in his career.

tulexan
09-26-2005, 10:51 AM
The last thing that the Vikings need is a running back.

Michael Bennet, Ciatrick Faison, Mo Williams, Onterrio Smith, Mewelde Moore

They already have 2 too many.

F-minus67
09-26-2005, 12:12 PM
You'd think that but Tice keeps taking them.

Fldvldog
09-26-2005, 12:15 PM
Not a bad mock but, Washington doesn't have a first.

I REALLY like Bush. I was sitting in a resturant watching the USC game and Bush was like a bigger Barry Sanders on a couple plays. I loved watching one play in particular, got the hand off, went up the middle, saw it was closing quickly, hit the hole to the left side, spins off one defender, as soon as he completed the spin, a defender dove for his legs. He placed his hand to regain balance, kept on ticking, bounced off another, finally a Dman got him by the ankles, Bush dragged him 3 yards before a DB and LB helped bring him down. Turned a 1 yard loss for most players into an 11 yard gain. In total, he broke 7 players/tackles and it took 3 players to finally get him down. That sold it for me.


My fault...I forgot that Washington doesn't have a first rounder...

Reggie Bush is the real deal. People say that he could not succeed on a Franchise that is doing horribly, only on a Franchise that contends. Reggie Bush is a pure, all purpose, RB. He had around 20 carries last week, if I recall (could be wrong). He is the most dangerous player in college football, and would still be a weopon in the NFL. He is a talent!

A guy that really reminds me of Barry Sanders is DeAngelo Williams. He is around his size, nd has his athletic ability. Why he didn't go to a bigger school, is beyond me. He is the second best RB in the contry (to Bush) and will go in the top 10.

Bubbajwp
09-26-2005, 03:44 PM
1. D'Brickashaw Furguson, OT
2. A.J. Hawk LB Ohio State
3. Reggie Bush, RB
4. Eric Winston, OT
5. Chad Greenway, ILB
6. Santanio Holmes, WR
7. Derek Hagan, WR
8.Haloti Ngala, DT
9. Mercedes Lewis, TE
10. Darnell Bing, S or Devin Hester, CB

Fldvldog
09-26-2005, 03:54 PM
1. D'Brickashaw Furguson, OT
2. A.J. Hawk LB Ohio State
3. Reggie Bush, RB
4. Eric Winston, OT
5. Chad Greenway, ILB
6. Santanio Holmes, WR
7. Derek Hagan, WR
8.Haloti Ngala, DT
9. Mercedes Lewis, TE
10. Darnell Bing, S or Devin Hester, CB

What is this?

Blake
09-26-2005, 03:54 PM
What is this?

He said its his wishlist.