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Sudds
09-22-2005, 10:51 PM
In my opinion, I am feeling tha Carr wants out of H-Town, and I don't blame him. For 4 years now this organization has done their best to ruin his career, his confidence, and his heart. For three years, he took hit after hit and never really complained. He took shoulder injuries in stride to beat the Falcons with a heroic run that every single person on this board appreciated. He took a brand new team and gave them pride by beating the Cowboys in game #1. He took the abuse from the fans, as they poured beer on his poor wife. He has continued to get sacked, game after game, yet the only person that anyone wants to blame here is Carr himself.

Why isn't anyone blaming AJ for not getting free?
Why isn't anyone blaming DD for doing nothing with the rushing game?
Why isn't anyone blaming Dunta for not showing up yet?
Or Buchanan for that matter?

Everyone wants to blame the guy who put his heart, soul, and body into this team; waiting for the brass to protect him...and yet that have failed to make any sort of move to solidify this line. No other QB in the league would be able to succeed in this system.

For those who want Carr traded to Detroit for Williams....I bet you he would die to play for Detroit.

LBC_Justin
09-22-2005, 11:28 PM
In my opinion, I am feeling tha Carr wants out of H-Town, and I don't blame him. For 4 years now this organization has done their best to ruin his career, his confidence, and his heart. For three years, he took hit after hit and never really complained. He took shoulder injuries in stride to beat the Falcons with a heroic run that every single person on this board appreciated. He took a brand new team and gave them pride by beating the Cowboys in game #1. He took the abuse from the fans, as they poured beer on his poor wife. He has continued to get sacked, game after game, yet the only person that anyone wants to blame here is Carr himself.

Why isn't anyone blaming AJ for not getting free?
Why isn't anyone blaming DD for doing nothing with the rushing game?
Why isn't anyone blaming Dunta for not showing up yet?
Or Buchanan for that matter?

Everyone wants to blame the guy who put his heart, soul, and body into this team; waiting for the brass to protect him...and yet that have failed to make any sort of move to solidify this line. No other QB in the league would be able to succeed in this system.

For those who want Carr traded to Detroit for Williams....I bet you he would die to play for Detroit.
First off. I like Carr and think is the right guy for this team.

I take major issue with some of your comments.
ONE freakin fan poured beer on his wife!!! Don't make it sound like all of our fans or even more than a handful of our fans are like this. Houston like all other major cities has it's wackos, murders, rapists and criminals. That was a criminal act commited by ONE person.

I agree with you the whole team is responsible and Carr is on that list but he is not our glaring weakness or even a major problem.

GP
09-22-2005, 11:45 PM
Sudds,

Calm down.

I think you're WISHING for Carr and thinking that he feels the same way you do.

LBC is right: that was ONE person who was probably gassed from drinking too much. Yes, it was wrong...but you ain't seen nothing 'till you read stories about the fans in New York, New England, Philadelphia. The beer dunking was by far an amateur act compared to what fans of those other teams will do when they get angry with a player.

Secondly, DD scored a TD against the Stellers. He actually, and now stay with me here, CAUGHT and HELD ONTO the ball when it was thrown to him. In addition, he was like superman on some of those three or five yard runs he had. When the defense would try to tackle him, he was DRIVING his legs and churning out as much extra inches as he could on every play. I saw NO lack of effort or determination on his behalf. His blocking in the Bills game was horrid, I'll admit that, but he blocked Palamalu correctly by shoving him to the far outside and Carr made a wrong decision and ducked the wrong way into him. It was a coin flip for Carr as to which way to duck, and he chose wrong.

Thirdly, the Dunta comment is soooooooo far off-base I don;t even know what to say. I think we watched different games. He layed some solid, and technically perfect tackles out there last Sunday. Unlike Buchanon who is so far behind Dunta in talent and determination that it's scary. Dunta and DD are about the two bright spots thus far on this team.

We're all a little emotional right now, but I think your imagination might be getting the best of you right now.

Carr is loyal. Carr is dedicated. He loves this community, and this community loves him. We're all fed up with the lack of o line support, but I don;t think he would cut and run so easily. That's my opinion.

NFLforher
09-23-2005, 12:53 AM
Sudds,

Carr is loyal. Carr is dedicated. He loves this community, and this community loves him. We're all fed up with the lack of o line support, but I don;t think he would cut and run so easily. That's my opinion.


I agree. He also moved his whole immediate family to Texas and everyone has put down roots.

HJam72
09-23-2005, 04:44 AM
I agree. He also moved his whole immediate family to Texas and everyone has put down roots.

Suckers! :)

I wonder if the jerk who poured beer on his wife ever reads this message board. :worm:

jppaul
09-23-2005, 04:50 AM
Suckers! :)

I wonder if the jerk who poured beer on his wife ever reads this message board. :worm:

What a jackass that guy is. If that guy is reading this right now, seriously just do the world a favor and kill yourself, by which you would be doing the entire North American gene pool a favor. Seriously just think about it.

Anyway, When Carr gets time and protection, granting his recievers are open, he delivers the ball accurately. I see no problem with our QB. I see a problem with our O-line, Wrs, and playcalling.

WWJD
09-23-2005, 06:47 AM
Carr's game has regressed. And that is a problem.

HardKnockTexan
09-23-2005, 08:18 AM
The whole beer dumping incodent is rediculas. I am curious though, does anyone know for a FACT that this happend for sure??? I'm sure it did. I've heard about it from everyone and their mom's now. I'm just wondering if anyone saw it first hand... or maybe it was in the chronicle?

WWJD
09-23-2005, 08:29 AM
It happened. I don't know if anybody here saw it actually but at the time it happened there were posters here that were in direct contact with David's mother and family and it was all confirmed. I believe friends of the Carr's post here. They also spoke of it on 610 and I'm not sure David said something about it but believe me these are people close to David and they would know.

And for the record it was an isolated incident and people were very angry that it happened.

texanfan2002114
09-23-2005, 10:51 AM
The whole beer dumping incodent is rediculas. I am curious though, does anyone know for a FACT that this happend for sure??? I'm sure it did. I've heard about it from everyone and their mom's now. I'm just wondering if anyone saw it first hand... or maybe it was in the chronicle?


I saw it happened. I can turn around in my seats and see the Carr's suite. When everyone was booing David thats when my wife and I turned to see what Carr's family reaction was and then when saw the ***** pour his beer over the edge. Within 5 minutes the ***** was taken away and that was the last we heard of the *****.

Blake
09-23-2005, 11:20 AM
Your thread title is verry misleading. Maybe a "My opinion: Carr wants out of Houston" would have been a better title.

Carr doesnt want out. Carr makes so much money playing QB for us, that he will weather the storm. Thats his bargaining chip with us. The only way I see him not being with us, is because we dont want him.

my :twocents:

Ibar_Harry
09-23-2005, 04:44 PM
I think Carr is getting tired and his son has health issues. He is a family man and if it comes down to the game or his family I doubt money will have much to do with it. Management has been promising for 4 years to really do something about the line, including the owner last year, and quite frankly if you watched the game with Buffalo or the Dallas game with Washington you will see what a difference a line can make. We have not done that so I don't know why you would put stock in the word of the coaches, management or owners of the Texans to fix the line in a way that he could have chance to become the Qb and the Team all of us want the Texans to be. Carr is not getting any younger as each day goes by. How many productive years does he have left given the beating he has taken? There are rumors of headaches. Is he done with the Texans? I really think so. He's a company man so you won't know it until it happens, but I think he will be looking to go to greener pasturers. In my opinion the owner and the coaching staff have given nothing but lip service to protecting Carr. As the original poster said Carr has given his heart and soul to this ball club and that I say because that's his nature. He complained after the Cleveland game because he was so frustrated. Again its not his nature to complain. When you hear complaints from David you know something is really bad.

I said during the preseason that nothing good had happened and we were in for the long haul. The only optomism I held out was that Mathis might become the 2nd receiver and return man we were looking for and that might add significantly to our team. Some of the other receivers that I thought were going to possibly help and make a difference were released in favor of players like Bradford and an injured Gaffny. Gaffny is a problem not because he doesn't have talent, but because I think he lost a lot due to not being unable to participate in TC. He's not the same player right now.

When you look at what is happening with this team you see you have a HEAD COACH who wants to RUN HIS SYSTEM despite what the GM has provided him. The talent Casserly has surrounded CAPERS with does not fit CAPERS mold. The result is a square peg being forced into a round hole. Doesn't work very well and that is the crux of the matter. Capers was able to fire PALMER when in reality Capers should have been handed his pink slip at the end of the game against the Steelers. Didn't happen and won't happen until the owner begins to feel the loss of revenue heat. I doubt that fan boo's are going to make much of a difference. Perhaps countless bad reviews by the chronicle might have some impact, but I doubt it. This is all about money.

David is in Fresno to participate in some functions and to be out of the way of Rita. Hopefully he will have a more pleasant time while he is here. He is certainly loved by this community. He has some business ties with his friend Trent Dilfer in this area. We also have one of the best childrens hospital in the country.

Bongo59
09-23-2005, 04:48 PM
Your thread title is verry misleading. Maybe a "My opinion: Carr wants out of Houston" would have been a better title.

Carr doesnt want out. Carr makes so much money playing QB for us, that he will weather the storm. Thats his bargaining chip with us. The only way I see him not being with us, is because we dont want him.

my :twocents:.........think your wrong in your assessment............. McClain has said on Nashville radio Carr agent has told all who will listen he wants out.............but John says that many in the league think he is the problem ..................I am starting to think Carr is not a very good QB either...........the OL is a problem but QB's make plays...........and Carr makes none. Joey Harrington has better numbers and gets all the criticism............now Carr is going to get it all............the honeymoon is over nationwide..................one AFC North general manager supposed was to have said Volek who made Carr sit at Fresno state had a better yr last yr with a worse team and far worse OL(3 starters out for the yr) still had 2800 yds and 18 TD's and 12 picks..............Carr would kill for those................the OL is a problem but it is not the only problem

Texans Pride
09-23-2005, 04:59 PM
.........McClain has said on Nashville radio Carr agent has told all who will listen he wants out.............but John says that many in the league think he is the problem


Do you have any link at all to back this statement up?

Ibar_Harry
09-23-2005, 05:00 PM
.........think your wrong in your assessment............. McClain has said on Nashville radio Carr agent has told all who will listen he wants out.............but John says that many in the league think he is the problem ..................I am starting to think Carr is not a very good QB either...........the OL is a problem but QB's make plays...........and Carr makes none. Joey Harrington has better numbers and gets all the criticism............now Carr is going to get it all............the honeymoon is over nationwide..................one AFC North general manager supposed was to have said Volek who made Carr sit at Fresno state had a better yr last yr with a worse team and far worse OL(3 starters out for the yr) still had 2800 yds and 18 TD's and 12 picks..............Carr would kill for those................the OL is a problem but it is not the only problem

Betcha Al Davis could find another player to trade to the Texans for Carr. Perhaps another one in the mold of Buchannon. I might even venture to say that Dallas might be interested. I guess everyone has their opinions, but then things happen like they do with players like Drew. Of course he got better when his line was fixed too. I guess that is surprising though.

edo783
09-23-2005, 05:08 PM
[QUOTE=Bongo59Volek who made Carr sit at Fresno state had a better yr last yr with a worse team and far worse OL(3 starters out for the yr) still had 2800 yds and 18 TD's and 12 picks..............Carr would kill for those................the OL is a problem but it is not the only problem[/QUOTE]


Why would he "Kill" to have those numbers when Carr had 3,500+ yards 16 TDs and 14 Ints.? By the way, Carrs numbers are pretty much the same as Brady's for yards, QB rating and completion percentage. True the TD to Int ratio is better, but there were a LOT more yards for Carr. We tend to run the ball in when in the red zone, so fewer TDs.

rmartin65
09-23-2005, 05:10 PM
[QUOTE=Bongo59Volek who made Carr sit at Fresno state had a better yr last yr with a worse team and far worse OL(3 starters out for the yr) still had 2800 yds and 18 TD's and 12 picks..............Carr would kill for those................the OL is a problem but it is not the only problem


Why would he "Kill" to have those numbers when Carr had 3,500+ yards 16 TDs and 14 Ints.? By the way, Carrs numbers are pretty much the same as Brady's for yards, QB rating and completion percentage. True the TD to Int ratio is better, but there were a LOT more yards for Carr. We tend to run the ball in when in the red zone, so fewer TDs.[/QUOTE]
thank you. im tired of when people say that carr had bad numbers last year.

rmartin65
09-23-2005, 05:11 PM
sorry, i meant to quote edo's entire thing.

Ibar_Harry
09-23-2005, 05:21 PM
thank you. im tired of when people say that carr had bad numbers last year.

Its like Volick vs Carr at Fresno State. Fresno has a tradition of playing there senior people at QB. Carr was not better than Volick when he 1st arrived and Fresno was running a Veer offense which was more suited to the running ability of Volick. When Volick left so did the Veer.

Quite Frankly I believe most of the QB's in the NFL are capable of being very good QB's if they have receivers and are afforded the protection of an offensive line. In the recent past Oakland was on the verge of being a SB winner, but people figured out how to get through the O-line to Gannon. When that happend Gannon became just a so-so QB and was never the same again. Confidence is a big part of completing the pass. You loose it in a hurry when you are being sacked and pressured all of the time. Remember, the word is PRESSURING the QB and sacking him if you get a chance. That's why the discussion of the line being fixed on this Web site is a lot of BS, because there is intense pressure on Carr in addition to the sacks. As many sacks as there are there would be more if the ball wasn't gotten rid of. Their is no time to generate an offense with the offensive line we have. The play is broken before the ball is ever hiked.

Bongo59
09-23-2005, 06:48 PM
[QUOTE=Bongo59Volek who made Carr sit at Fresno state had a better yr last yr with a worse team and far worse OL(3 starters out for the yr) still had 2800 yds and 18 TD's and 12 picks..............Carr would kill for those................the OL is a problem but it is not the only problem


Why would he "Kill" to have those numbers when Carr had 3,500+ yards 16 TDs and 14 Ints.? By the way, Carrs numbers are pretty much the same as Brady's for yards, QB rating and completion percentage. True the TD to Int ratio is better, but there were a LOT more yards for Carr. We tend to run the ball in when in the red zone, so fewer TDs.[/QUOTE]



Because he did it in 9 games behind a bad OL on a bad team.........and his QB rating was better than Carr's..............Carr gets alot of yds in garbage time according to JM........almost 40% according to him..........which is 20% higher than expected................Carr already is close to wearing the Bust collar...........this yr will clinch it if he flops.............comparing Carr to Brady is like comparing Afghanistan to Houston.............brady's QB rating when he is down is 121.50..........do you know what Carr's is for his career...............it is the lowest of any NFL QB playing right now including Harrington..............Carr got alot of breaks because he played for an expansion team...........he got more time than any other QB taken first...............People are now examining him alot closer and they are not liking what they see................you guys are even starting to see it...................He has to turn it around like Brees............or he is gone like Couch soon.............

Double Barrel
09-23-2005, 09:29 PM
When you look at what is happening with this team you see you have a HEAD COACH who wants to RUN HIS SYSTEM despite what the GM has provided him. The talent Casserly has surrounded CAPERS with does not fit CAPERS mold. The result is a square peg being forced into a round hole. Doesn't work very well and that is the crux of the matter.

I am starting to come to the same conclusion. By the revealing look at the news the past couple of weeks (learning that Capers and Palmer didn't get along and liked completely different offenses), it wouldn't be that much of a stretch to wonder if Casserly and Capers are even on the same page.

Capers does seem rather stubborn to run his game, regardless of what the other team is doing. You might get away with this if you've built a team like the Steelers, but I'd rather have a coach that takes what the team is made of and works from there (like Bill Belichick).

The past three seasons have definitely taken a toll on Carr. He has(had) so much potential, but the past couple of games he's looked kinda' burnt out and even shell shocked. But that goes back to the head coach, as well, since he decided to play a rookie QB behind a line and team that had absolutely zero experience together.

The next fourteen games is Coach Capers' test, as far as I'm concerned. I think the team will give Carr a chance to prove himself behind a decent line at some point in the next season (or three), and then we'll see what happens to our QB.

HoustonFan
09-23-2005, 09:44 PM
I didn't know someone poured beer on his wife. What an *******. Well that aside I support DC. I think it sucks for him to get drilled on the field like he has been. Hopefully this season turns around - stranger things have happened. But hang in there DC. We've got love for ya here in H-town.

stephen1
09-23-2005, 10:22 PM
Carr does want to leave houston, dont try and deny it. But can you blame him? The team made no effort in getting a lineman (Pace was just using us) or getting a reliable second option. The coordinators installed an awful short game not using Carr's strengths. The play calling is awful in all situations. If David stays in Houston he is likely to only have a 6 year carrer. A body can only take so much. Carr is full of talent and potential but until the awful GM and coaching staff are gone, none of that potential can be realized. I hope Mr. McNair builds the franchise around David instead of around Casserly. Once an effort is made to help him I have no doubt he will stick around. If this doesnt happen in the next year we can expect to see him out the door.

GP
09-24-2005, 01:18 AM
Originally Posted by Bongo59
.........McClain has said on Nashville radio Carr agent has told all who will listen he wants out.............but John says that many in the league think he is the problem


That statement has GOT to be false or misunderstood, Bongo59.

Let's analyze this for a second:

1. Reporters make a living on getting reliable sources. I know because this was my college major for a few years. I changed majors when I saw the utter hypocritical mess you get into when you work as a reporter. ALmost all reporters think they are world changers, and all I wanted to do was be an objective reporter...found out quick that that's not the way it works in the real world of major news reporting.

2. Reporters want to keep reliable sources handy for future stories so they can access those sources. You have "named sources" which are people who go on the record for what they're telling the reporter--These sources say things that are generally public record and not so secretive or damaging that it would cost them their job where they work: Their names are used in the story and follow their quoted material with something like "according to John Smith, director of public information." Then, you have "unnamed sources" who are secret and WILL NOT go on the record for what they say. They leak information and want to stay anonymous to protect them against getting fired or even put into jail for what they tell a reporter: The quote is written, and then it generally says "according to unnamed sources" after the quote. Reporters are notorious for even going to jail THEMSELVES for not revealing an unnamed source if a court orders the reporter to reveal the source. Now, there's no crime here with the Carr agent situation...but reporters will still follow that credo even in non-legal situations. They protect their sources at all costs. They know who butters their bread.

3. If McClain were to (A) Say that Carr's agent is advertising Carr to any team that will listen, and then McClain also said (B) Many in the NFL think that Carr IS the problem and not the team he plays for, then you have one heck of a problem here. Which leads me to closing arguments:

4. McClain would BURN himself to Carr's agent for doing this, and he would likely BURN himself with that particular league source who says Carr is the problem--But, maybe not so much with the league source since he might not have named the league source. Not sure because I don't have all the details. But, if you say McClain said that Carr's agent said those things...then Carr's agent will probably not trust McClain any more after McClain doing that. Agents have a way of sneaking around and meeting with other teams under the cloak of secrecy. They don't need McLame to do their dirty work for them. Lastly, McClain, if he did say those things, is jeopardizing his future with other potential sources for future stories because those sources fear that McClain will burn them like he did Carr's agent.

Trust me, I DOUBT that Carr's agent would make this a public statement when he could do his job secretly and get just as far by doing it hush-hush as he could by "using" McLame's national radio address to the millions of NFL fans that cannot get enough of McLame's brilliant commentary.

If you can find a transcript of this report, or any ink on this...I would love to see it. I'm not saying you're lying. It just doesn't seem like McClain would go so far as to name Carr's agent in this analysis he made on his radio address.

Bongo59
09-24-2005, 10:14 AM
i think JM got this from other folks who had his agent say it to them........i think he intimated that they are already putting out feelers for when Carr can walk...............but he also implied the line of takers maybe awfully slim...............and these ascertions interestingly enough were being talked about this morning on Sirius radio..............i think it does have merit..............you guys live in houston i would suggest you drop JM a line or pay him a visit............he is a great guy.

GP
09-24-2005, 10:18 AM
I see. So it's a third-person type of situation. That covers McClain a little bit more since he can say he heard it from someone who heard it from someone, etc.

Thanks for the info.

Very interesting.

Honoring Earl 34
09-24-2005, 11:24 AM
:ok: Say Carr does leave , I think I'd trade down with the high #1 pick I'm about to get and Build a OL first .
Matt L. with out an OL is going to have problems .

I want my next QB to have been the MAN in college and high school . Carr was a late bloomer who I guess has'nt bloomed . I'm thinking of QBs who were the man .
P. Manning
Eli Manning
Steve Mcnair
Dante Culpepper
Big Ben
Mcnabb

This is an example theres more , these guys are leaders .

HowBoutThemCowboys!
09-24-2005, 11:46 AM
Carr was a late bloomer who I guess has'nt bloomed.

I agree, same thing happend to Dallas with Drew Henson.

rdbrem
09-24-2005, 12:13 PM
I think our intent is to bring in 5 kick returners, 3 punt returners and a corner trained by Bu-cannon, who will replace Dunta.

We'll then have each returner try out, and the best returners will be substituted in as left tackles. We'll then place Casserly in as QB, and see how the season goes.

Anybody in the market for season tickets? :brickwall

Straightshooter
09-24-2005, 01:18 PM
I think Carr will be gone next year because he gets a 8 million roster bonus next year, if the texans dont pay it he is a free agent. I think its the best thing for him because the management is clueless. You had at least 3 years to get some OL help and they have not done it.

LINK HERE (http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/sports/3367679)

NFLforher
09-24-2005, 03:03 PM
I think Carr will be gone next year because he gets a 8 million roster bonus next year, if the texans dont pay it he is a free agent. I think its the best thing for him because the management is clueless. You had at least 3 years to get some OL help and they have not done it.

LINK HERE (http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/sports/3367679)

Carr will be in Fresno this Tuesday night for the retirement of his number. I'm working in Fresno next week so I'm going to try and get tickets to the Bulldogs.

bckey
09-24-2005, 03:46 PM
Carr will be in Fresno this Tuesday night for the retirement of his number. I'm working in Fresno next week so I'm going to try and get tickets to the Bulldogs.


He sure won't learn much of the new offense between the hurricane and not being there Tuesday when practice starts up again.

Lucky
09-24-2005, 04:03 PM
I want my next QB to have been the MAN in college and high school . Carr was a late bloomer who I guess has'nt bloomed . I'm thinking of QBs who were the man .
P. Manning
Eli Manning
Steve Mcnair
Dante Culpepper
Big Ben
Mcnabb

This is an example theres more , these guys are leaders .
McNair, Culpepper, and Roethlisberger were so much "the man" in high school that they went to Alcorn State, Central Florida, and Miami (the Ohio variety), respectively. Many D-I schools thought so much of McNair's QB ability they offered Steve a scholarship as a safety.

Lucky
09-24-2005, 04:11 PM
He sure won't learn much of the new offense between the hurricane and not being there Tuesday when practice starts up again.
With this new invention called the "jet airplane", Carr should be able to practice on Tuesday and still be in Fresno on Tuesday night. Unbelievable.

awtysst
09-24-2005, 05:01 PM
I saw it happened. I can turn around in my seats and see the Carr's suite. When everyone was booing David thats when my wife and I turned to see what Carr's family reaction was and then when saw the ***** pour his beer over the edge. Within 5 minutes the ***** was taken away and that was the last we heard of the *****.


Boo if you want, jeer if you must, yell if you feel you need to. Pouring beer on a nother person is as low a thing as you can do and cannot be tolerated. I wish they escorted the guy outside and let fans pour non alcoholic odouls on him

Honoring Earl 34
09-24-2005, 05:18 PM
:drool: lucky I caught a fish . Culpepper could have gone anywhere , but he chose to stay close to home . Same as Mcnair , who's brother I believe played for Alcorn . I' m not sure about Ben .

These guys put their schools on the map as nobody has before or since .

bckey
09-24-2005, 05:54 PM
With this new invention called the "jet airplane", Carr should be able to practice on Tuesday and still be in Fresno on Tuesday night. Unbelievable.

What is unbelievable is you being a moderator and making posts like that.

It still takes a lot of time out of your day to fly to and from Fresno.

texasguy346
09-24-2005, 05:56 PM
I recall hearing that Ben only started as QB for his senior year of HS, and that was the biggest reason he didn't get scholarship offers from bigger schools.

PapaL
09-24-2005, 06:01 PM
By the way, Carrs numbers are pretty much the same as Brady's for yards, QB rating and completion percentage. True the TD to Int ratio is better, but there were a LOT more yards for Carr. We tend to run the ball in when in the red zone, so fewer TDs.

To bad those numbers dont mean anything, wins do. Dont compare DC to Brady. Its a landslide in Brady's favor.

Honoring Earl 34
09-24-2005, 06:02 PM
:texflag: Ben threw 54 TDs his senior year in high school . He turned down the Ohio State to be a 4 year starter at Miami of Ohio. Thats Lucky .

edo783
09-24-2005, 07:07 PM
To bad those numbers dont mean anything, wins do. Dont compare DC to Brady. Its a landslide in Brady's favor.


And that is why its called a TEAM game. Give Carr... Brady's team, and there might be a couple of more wins in the picture.....YA THINK! Based on the numbers, close to Brady's, he did his job fairly well. It's the rest of the team that MIGHT have needed to step it up a bit. This year.....he isn't doing near as well...Yet, but then the rest of team is in the toilet also, so no surprise we are 0-2.

TexansTrueFan
09-24-2005, 07:41 PM
No it has not and No it is not the problem. :ok:


i agree w/ you, i think the whole team just had a rough start.

Lucky
09-24-2005, 07:55 PM
What is unbelievable is you being a moderator and making posts like that.

It still takes a lot of time out of your day to fly to and from Fresno.
The problem is that you didn't send David a schedule covering his required movements for the week. I blame you for this mixup.
(required :rolleyes: )

bckey, there will not be a "new" Texan offense. A bye week is not enough time to install a new playbook. If it were, why would they have a million mini-camps during the offseason? The Texans will use the same plays they've run under Chris Palmer. It's just that Joe Pendry will choose what play will be run, when they will run it, and who will be running it. So why don't you get off Carr's back and let the guy get his number retired?

bckey
09-24-2005, 09:01 PM
I'm not on Carrs back. Just simply making a statement about how the 2 weeks off kind of got squandered. I'm not blaming anyone. I also never expected Pendry to put a whole new playbook in in 2 weeks (1 week after the hurricane). I do believe Pendry will be installing some of his own plays a few at a time every week. I don't think Palmer has many plays that Pendry would even call.

Honoring Earl 34
09-24-2005, 09:06 PM
:tomato: I'm sure the Fresno thing has been planned for months . You can't just go and change things .

edo783
09-24-2005, 10:12 PM
I'm not on Carrs back. Just simply making a statement about how the 2 weeks off kind of got squandered. I'm not blaming anyone. I also never expected Pendry to put a whole new playbook in in 2 weeks (1 week after the hurricane). I do believe Pendry will be installing some of his own plays a few at a time every week. I don't think Palmer has many plays that Pendry would even call.

I am kind of concerned also that we are not going to get as much bang out of the off week and the change of coach as we would have without Rita. Distractions during a time of transition are usually not conducive to a good transition. Your point on David has SOME validity, but these guys have all sort of appearences locked in a long time in advance and it is his home school.