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Big78
09-21-2005, 12:11 AM
i think so. i believe he had a bad rep in Oakland for not playing to his potetial. Well i think he showed that when he let the running back run right by him for a touchdown in the Pittsburg game. i would like to see another clip of that if any one can post it. i want to be wrong by the way, so if anyone has another view on the subject please feel free.

eriadoc
09-21-2005, 12:40 AM
I don't know if Buchanon is a bust or not, but I'll say that two games is way too small a sample size for any NFL player. If that's a sufficient amount of data to judge someone, then I'd like to think that Swinton made this team. I posted it on another thread - I just don't quite get the Buchanon benching. Granted, his play has been poor the past two games, but was he really worse than 9-10 other guys on defense? And after two entire games as a Texan, at that? At least Babin has had 18 regular season games to show us what a bust he is. If the coaches had Buchanon on such a short leash, why bother acquiring the guy? If they really felt that he was a viable upgrade, or even lateral move from AG, then they have to give him more than two games. If they were apprehensive about his performance, based on his career thus far, then why bother acquiring the guy? Something is screwy with that.

TexanAggie
09-21-2005, 07:26 AM
I was in section 117 and I say right in front of me Pukechanon he tried to tackle parker by pulling a matt stevens and throwing his arm around parkers waist what a joke............

I understand kinda buchanon had to get used to the D MY **** he did cover like a corner should you twit ((pointed towards 31 not anyone on the board)). You know when Robinson was a rookie last year he got picked on last year but look what a great year he had and o's left him alone towards the end of the yr there is no excuse for 31's play it has been a half-stepping effort by him i saw two times in the Steelers game not 100 feet in front of me him become burnt toast.. dont blame this one on the coaches or 10 other guys blame this one on the player who should be riding the pine he wasnt trying to play just going through the motions.........

Why do you think the raiders where so quick to let him go. you think the raiders would have let him go so quick if he was a shut down corner.... or at best a decent backup....

You know what the funniest thing about all this... I have seen clips of AJ juking and running right past a corner from the Raiders can anyone guess who that was,,,,,,,,, hmmm lets think maybe i dont know BUCHANON......


This guy is getting paid millions, he had better get off his butt and get better or be hitting the street where no nfl team will want him ..........

I say take our chances with Faggins and lets move on,,,

Malloy
09-21-2005, 07:56 AM
I've got a feeling (yeah, I know..) that P-Buc can develop into a bad-*** corner, given the motivation and coaching needed. However I do fully support benching the dude, I see it more as a slap over the wrist, to let him (and others) know that it's not acceptable not to give 100% and that there are reprecussions for slacking off. Since monday it seems that the coaches are _finally_ focussing (at least officially) on the morale/spirit/spunk/heart of the players, something that, IMO, should have been issued MANY months ago. Oh well, better late than never. :)

rittenhouserobz
09-21-2005, 08:36 AM
This guy is getting paid millions

This guy is getting paid thousands. This is a make or break year for him. I am more upset that we lost AG, a second round pick, and a high 3rd round pick for this guy. We could have kept AG and let Faggins move into the role later in the year. CC totally hosed this one. I will let your imagination think about what having those extra picks could have done for the depth of the team. Maybe another OL to compete or another LB. I think I would have taken AG and a couple of rookies over Pbuc anyday.

On the positive side, Pbuc is playing the tough side of the secondary. The DL is not occupying enough OL to allow the LB's in the backfield. I think Babin is a fall guy for the no pressure onfrom the front seven when it Walker who is supposed to draw the RT and RG from that side to help Babin put pressure on the QB. With TJ playing I believe we will see more pressure from that side. In turn, the secondary's job is easier and Pbuc will not look as bad. I hope he has a date with a tackling dummy during the bye week.

Simply stated,
Go Texans!!!! :texflag:

The Preacher
09-21-2005, 09:00 AM
Watching AG get burned twice in the final minutes made me feel better about the PB acquisition. :pigfly: ...............NOT

Corrosion
09-21-2005, 09:02 AM
This guy is getting paid thousands. This is a make or break year for him. I am more upset that we lost AG, a second round pick, and a high 3rd round pick for this guy. We could have kept AG and let Faggins move into the role later in the year. CC totally hosed this one.


I believe his salary is $700k this season ....make or break .... If he wants a BIG MONEY contract .... Yes , without a doubt .
I agree , I'd rather have AG , Faggins and those two draft picks than P-Buch , They could have used them on numerous positions that need help .

I think Babin is a fall guy for the no pressure onfrom the front seven when it Walker who is supposed to draw the RT and RG from that side to help Babin put pressure on the QB. With TJ playing I believe we will see more pressure from that side.

Up until this game against the Steelers I think Babin has played pretty well , He is USUALLY very good against the run ....I saw on a couple of occasions against the Steelers that he was sealed off by a pulling guard on running plays ... His job is to force the play inside .... even when sealed off he did this but the DB's and other LB's werent around to finish the play .

Babins weakness is what was suppose to be his strength ..... His pass rushing skills arent what you would like in his position .... He does have the speed and strength required for the position but I think the level of competition he faced in college allowed him to rely on those physical attributes along and never develop much tecnically .... It may take him 2-3 years to figure it all out and become a force on the outside ... Then again he may never put it all together .

As for G-Funk .... I havent been high on him since the first season .... last season he was pathetic , the year before he was injured . If they were going to release any player on the D form last season Walker should have been that player .... followed by Foreman . He may as you say have caused a trickle down effect in the pass rush .

karen9977
09-21-2005, 12:16 PM
ERIADOC - I couldn't disagree MORE with you. Did you watch the game? Did you notice in periods 1 and 2 #31 was doing nothing but running around near the play, out of position, turned the wrong way, etc!!! I have watched many, many games for years. Sometime during a gome I would comment about the play of a certain player on a certain play. Never, Never did I jump off the couch at half time, go upstairs, start the computer to see WHO THE H*** IS #31!!! And when he played 2 hand touch on the td play, that did it! I had to go get another blood pressure pill. His attitude ********. "We made mistakes"!!! No, Phillip, start the sentence with the first person singular. "I didn't feel like playing today!" You bet he deserves to be put on the bench - the closest one to the door!

Hookem Horns
09-21-2005, 12:23 PM
Buchanon a Bust?


That is the biggest understatement I have heard in a while. I posted this on texanstalk.com however since it was brought up here I will post it here also...

"Can you acquire a player as good as Phillip Buchanon in the second round of the draft?" Casserly said. "The answer is no. Now you're giving up a third-round pick. Your percentage of players drafted in the third round becoming starters is 30 percent or less. You're weighing that when you make this decision. When we finish the draft, we know we got a starter in the second round ... we know we got the best player drafted in the second round this year."

Chronicle Article (http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/sports/fb/texans/3145953)

Hmm, you can't acquire a player as good as P Burnt in the 2nd round? Maybe you cannot Mr. Casserly (Joppru comes to mind). If you really believe that than I feel our organization is doomed as long as you are in charge. Even drunk Raider fan knew P Burnt was toast. Did you even bother watching any tape of this guy?? I guess it really doesn't matter. If you would have kept our pick you probably would have made another "brilliant" draft day decision.

nunusguy
09-21-2005, 12:40 PM
I don't know if Buchanon is a bust or not, but I'll say that two games is way too small a sample size for any NFL player.
Normally I would agree with you, but that single play when PB totally evaded
contact with the Pitt RB at the Texans 5 - hey, that was a classic. That play would have been remarkable in a meanless preseason game, but this was the
Texans' regular season home opener. And given the need of a maximun effort by the Texans Sunday after their inept game week before in Buffalo, it was a
situation requiring the coach to bench PB if there ever was a time for such an action.

DocBar
09-21-2005, 12:44 PM
i think so. i believe he had a bad rep in Oakland for not playing to his potetial. Well i think he showed that when he let the running back run right by him for a touchdown in the Pittsburg game. i would like to see another clip of that if any one can post it. i want to be wrong by the way, so if anyone has another view on the subject please feel free.
I gotta go with this. Maybe AJ and DROB getting on him will help, but I bet it just makes him worse. And he actually stopped and backed up to let the RB score. That's an act of cowardice. i kinda like all the moving and shaking happening. At this stage, why not let it all hang out and see what happens?

SESupergenius
09-21-2005, 12:53 PM
Anyone have a screenshot of the "OLE" play?

eriadoc
09-21-2005, 12:58 PM
ERIADOC - I couldn't disagree MORE with you. Did you watch the game? Did you notice in periods 1 and 2 #31 was doing nothing but running around near the play, out of position, turned the wrong way, etc!!! I have watched many, many games for years. Sometime during a gome I would comment about the play of a certain player on a certain play. Never, Never did I jump off the couch at half time, go upstairs, start the computer to see WHO THE H*** IS #31!!! And when he played 2 hand touch on the td play, that did it! I had to go get another blood pressure pill. His attitude ********. "We made mistakes"!!! No, Phillip, start the sentence with the first person singular. "I didn't feel like playing today!" You bet he deserves to be put on the bench - the closest one to the door!

I knew when I typed my post that I wouldn't be able to convey what I was trying to say properly on a message board. As I stated, I am in no way defending Buchanon's play. And I really don't have an issue with his benching. It just strikes me odd that they would go to the lengths that they did to acquire him, only to give him a 2-game leash. I guess what I am saying is I have a problem with them acquiring ANY player, giving up as much as they did, if they aren't going to really give that player a chance. In Buchanon's specific case, I agree that his play has been terrible, and most fans love to pile on when they see things like that (myself included). Most NFL teams, however, won't bench a player after a 2-game sample size unless they have very little invested. It just struck me as odd.

I am not defending Buchanon in any way.

DocBar
09-21-2005, 12:59 PM
Anyone have a screenshot of the "OLE" play?
Now that's funny. But was it an "OLE" play or a "OMG PLEASE DON'T HURT ME!!!!!!!!!!!" play?

Hookem Horns
09-21-2005, 02:34 PM
It just strikes me odd that they would go to the lengths that they did to acquire him, only to give him a 2-game leash. I guess what I am saying is I have a problem with them acquiring ANY player, giving up as much as they did, if they aren't going to really give that player a chance. In Buchanon's specific case, I agree that his play has been terrible, and most fans love to pile on when they see things like that (myself included). Most NFL teams, however, won't bench a player after a 2-game sample size unless they have very little invested. It just struck me as odd.

Buchanan proved he was a bust in Oakland before the Texans ever acquired him. The Raiders fans were laughing when they got what they did for him. Some Raider fans just wanted him cut from the team and never imagined that someone would be stupid enough to trade anything for him.

I have questioned some of Casserly's moves in the past but kept quiet. This deal was the straw that broke the camel's back and is why I think Casserly should be fired.

eriadoc
09-21-2005, 03:29 PM
Buchanan proved he was a bust in Oakland before the Texans ever acquired him. The Raiders fans were laughing when they got what they did for him. Some Raider fans just wanted him cut from the team and never imagined that someone would be stupid enough to trade anything for him.

I guess my point is that if the Texans thought this might be the case, even to the point that they give him a 2-game leash, then why bother? To me, if you make that deal, you better darn well be sure enough in his abilities that you don't worry about two bad games.

This just adds more fuel to the anti-Casserly fire and unlike some of it, this bit of fuel is warranted, if he supports this benching. Otherwise, we'll never have a greater sampling of data by which to judge this acquisition. I am not great with analogies, but the GM of the Chargers probably received a fair bit of heat over the Brees draft pick. They had a much greater sample size to go on, so that heat was warranted. But then Brees turned it on, so is he now a good pick by the GM? A poor pick that got coached well? A good pick that was coached poorly and then figured it out on his own? With only two games to go on, Buchanon can only be judged a bust.

I keep saying two games only because, IMO, the front office had to be discounting Buchanon's performance as a Raider, else they would never have made the deal. Right? Come on, please tell me I'm right!
:brickwall

ATX
09-21-2005, 03:29 PM
After watching the Buffalo and Pittsburgh game, its obvious Buchanon isn't what we thought he could be. How many times has he been thrown on in the first 2 games, i know it's alot. It's like they intentionally thow at him, and i don't blame them, it's working so far.

Hervoyel
09-21-2005, 04:23 PM
I don't think a question mark belongs behind the words "Buchanon a bust". I think that's a given. It's his 4th year in the league and he just got sent to the bench in favor of a guy taken in the 6th round of the same draft who's got a good motor and very ordinary abilities.

The question isn't whether or not Buchanon is a bust. The question is how did the Raiders convince the Texans brain trust that he wasn't. We're all a bunch of fans so basically it's been my observation that we don't know squat about much of anything. Oh sure, we all think we know what we're seeing (I'm including myself here) but the truth is that very few of us had a clue that Buchanon was going to be so bad. On the other hand that's what the Texans front office gets paid to do for a living. Buchanon's been on film for three years, someone should have figured out that he wasn't worth a 2 and a 3.

Tenacious G
09-21-2005, 04:37 PM
despite all the negative press that surrounded Buchanon in Oakland, i really though a change of scenery, teammates and coaching staff would show he can be an effective defender.

obviously that's not been the case, and it's unfortunate. i have to throw in the towel as far as #31 is concerned.

my main concern now lies with Casserly and his staff learning from their mistakes.

Exascor
09-21-2005, 05:06 PM
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Hookem Horns
09-21-2005, 05:07 PM
Buchanon's been on film for three years, someone should have figured out that he wasn't worth a 2 and a 3.

It's obvious everyone in the league has seen the film except maybe Casserly. The fact that opposing teams immediately started throwing his way shows they knew what kind of corner he is.

This reason and everyone other question that is being asked in this thread shows a glaring problem with Casserly.

Why give the guy only 2 weeks? I think the better question is why did they bring him here in the first place? I don't think anyone except maybe Carson Palmer wants him in there in week 3.

Exascor
09-21-2005, 05:12 PM
Texans Coaching Staff Meeting April 20, 2005

Casserly: Gentlemen. We've had a trade offer that could be beneficial to the team. I'd like some input before I pull the trigger. The Raiders have offered us Phillip Buchanon for 2nd and 3rd round picks this draft. What does everyone think about Buchanon?

Capers: Well from checking my notebooks I see I had him as a 1st round grade player. Great speed. He's an excellent return man that...

Marciano: Return man? Let's get him! We really need a special return and he could be the difference maker we've been looking for.

Capers: My only concern is I recall hearing that he is trouble in the locker room and he hasn't been that special in coverage so I'm not sure about this deal.

Hoke: He was great in College and I think he could be great in the NFL. I was able to control him then and know I can do it now. Let's get him!

Fangio: Are you sure Jon? That is a lot to give up if you can't get him to reach his potential. We could draft a CB in the 2nd or 3rd. We need to be sure.

Hoke: Phillip is a great kid that just needs guidance. Get him here and you'll see. He'll be great! Just imagine him and Robinson. We'd be the envy of the league!

Capers: If Jon can get him to play hard and he is able to help as a return man, he's like getting a 1st round pick for a 2nd and 3rd. I approve.

Casserly: OK guys. You have yourselves a new player.

You never know.

raidergavy
09-21-2005, 05:45 PM
the blame game.

he was once quoted as saying something like, "my confidence was not there after tim brown said that". he was referring to when brown said, "phillip giveth, and phillip taketh away".

he is a blamer and a rationalizer. he has no level of self responsibility.

in short, he is a finger pointer.

he will be pointing that finger somewhere, i guarantee it.

you guy's should just fire him and use him as a motivational tool to anyone else that might need a kick in the ***, that is actually worth devoting some time and energy too.

a motivational tool is all he will ever be good for.

you gotta be a real screw up, for al davis to run you outta town.

think about THAT!

fire him. totally worthless wannabe.

he thinks he's deion. WRONG. just a cousin.

rashid242
09-21-2005, 06:12 PM
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The question isn't whether or not Buchanon is a bust. The question is how did the Raiders convince the Texans brain trust that he wasn't. We're all a bunch of fans so basically it's been my observation that we don't know squat about much of anything. Oh sure, we all think we know what we're seeing (I'm including myself here) but the truth is that very few of us had a clue that Buchanon was going to be so bad. On the other hand that's what the Texans front office gets paid to do for a living. Buchanon's been on film for three years, someone should have figured out that he wasn't worth a 2 and a 3.

When you hear Casserly in interviews about issues & personel he seems like a bright guy.

That is until he said the thing about Buchannon.

He had a very good first year but he was flat out terrible the next 2.

He would jump routes for picks & occasionally get one but get burned a lot.

He didn't want to tackle anybody.

Scottyboy
09-21-2005, 06:39 PM
WOW charley really said that about him, and still got him!!! what a joke!
This whole staff needs the boot!

touttail
09-21-2005, 08:19 PM
Big78 is this a trick question?

PBurnt is the pits. He is scared to hit(tackle) anyone, while Daunte is a headhunter!


bobby 119C :texflag:

rittenhouserobz
09-21-2005, 08:37 PM
Of course the preceding mock dialogue is nice. It displays how the coaches and GM ignore how the chemistry of a player will affect a team.

rdbrem
09-21-2005, 09:20 PM
What strikes me is that in the last 2 years, we have had a bunch of guys brought in to compete for the kick return positions, because we were only average there. But if we'd brought in the same number of guys to compete for o-line and corner backs, we'd have been able to upgrade both areas.

Instead, you can bench Buchanon, but who do you have return punts? Swinton? Moses? Oh, forgot, we got rid of them.

We can always put Mathis in there, but he's been inactive 2 games. What's the deal?

I know the play calling has stunk at times, but the personnel decisions have been horrendous. Especially in Buchanon's case, if a guy won't play because he's not happy somewhere, you've already got an ethics problem. He's willing to take the money, but not the responsibility.

You've got to seriously consider what he's communicating. Because you're not going to coach a guy like that, he's going to take what he wants, when he wants it.

touttail
09-21-2005, 10:54 PM
We can always put Mathis in there, but he's been inactive 2 games. What's the deal?


Mathis claims to have a hamstring problem. :confused:

bobby 119C

phan1
09-22-2005, 11:06 PM
This guy is getting paid thousands. This is a make or break year for him. I am more upset that we lost AG, a second round pick, and a high 3rd round pick for this guy.

OUCH. He is DEFINITELY a bust. No way he's worth that much. And it's not like you can see that he has the motivation to bounce back like Terrance Newman did. Let's just hope he gets the message.

exclude
09-25-2005, 12:06 AM
He is the bust of al busts. Maybe its just he's way of showing how much he cares about Houston, which, according to his play, isn't much.

El Tejano
09-25-2005, 12:37 AM
Has Buchannon spoke out about this demotion?

LBC_Justin
09-25-2005, 01:30 AM
Buchanan proved he was a bust in Oakland before the Texans ever acquired him. The Raiders fans were laughing when they got what they did for him. Some Raider fans just wanted him cut from the team and never imagined that someone would be stupid enough to trade anything for him.

I have questioned some of Casserly's moves in the past but kept quiet. This deal was the straw that broke the camel's back and is why I think Casserly should be fired.
I STRONGLY dissagree with you.
I am surrounded by Raiders fans, people who know football and have been life long fans of that team. Maybe a few fans come to this board to taunt Texans fans. Maybe many of them posted on their message that they are glad PB is gone.

There are a lot of Raiders fans that though PB was a good talent that was WASTED by the Raiders lack of structure and "outlaw" mentality. They think that it was a number one pick wasted by the Raiders who were unable to harness PB's talent because of qualities the coaching staff and owner lack.

Whether this trade was worth it or not, we won't know for a while. Our pass rush is so poor that all of our DBs are going to look pretty bad(Even Dunta). PB is also on the tough side, the side that is easier for right handed QBs to throw to. In Oakland he played opposite Charles Woodson, in Houston he plays opposite Dunta Robinson. Of course they are going to pick on PB. Do you think they are going to challenge Dunta or Woodson more than they have too? Also, How good was the Raiders pass rush last year? (About as good as ours, which sucked!!)

I don't think PB was benched for his performance. He was benched for his lack of effort, especially on that one play.

All I can say is that at the bare minimum PB better show us he is trying his hardest. I can forgive mistakes, but not trying is unacceptable.

Only time will tell.

Ibar_Harry
09-25-2005, 02:09 AM
What's a bust is the coaching staff and its showing up in so so many ways. The receivers don't know how to get open, the QB can't have a pressure free game, the O-line can't block, the special teams suck right now because of personnel descions and the D can't put pressure on anyone. I bet you can name some more, but those are starters. I find it hard to judge the personnel we have based on what I believe is a totaly inept coaching staff.

Everyone has their eyes closed and wants to blame the players, but in reality its the coaches and what they are asked to do. The ineptness we are seeing is beyond belief. I would love to see them all fired now, but most particularly Capers, and let what happen happens. The defense knows their schemes are hopeless as does the offense. Even if they execute they know it will be fruitless. FOUR YEARS wasted is a bit much. How the owner can have this much patience is beyond me. I guess it hasn't had that much impact on the pocket book, yet. That's the only way something is going to happen. When the fans leave in the 1st quarter then may be heads will roll and we are not far from that happening.

I'm fortunate not to be living in your area and I hope all of you have suffered a minimum of damage. I hope all of you are in good health. God bless all of you and good night.

yaboycm
09-25-2005, 03:15 AM
What do you mean?
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Have you watched ANY of the games? That's like asking if Andre was the right choice. Poison is definitely a bust.