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Bre4301
09-20-2005, 11:41 AM
As we watch Texans develop this reminds me of a new team to the north several years past. I followed that team and was a avid fan. The comparisons are many; the owners both hire the best and let them run the operation. Bob McNair is equal or better. The coach to the north was a legend; Dom Capers will be better if given the opportunity.

Charley Casserly is no Tex/Gill.
Who made the decision to not sign Jeff Posey? Who made the decision not to sign Steve Foley? What would the defense look like and the number of sacks. Who ran off All Pro CB and brought in a wannabe? The 1-2-3 picks in those drafts could have been used to support the offense.

We are in this place not because of players or coaches.
I am a Texan, win lose or draw.
I have never booed. Sunday I booed, not at the team, but to put these athletes in this position should be a crime.

Landry was feeling the heat four years into the building process, to hush the critics.
He was given a 10 Year contract. That made a statement of commitment. I donít want my team to be equal to Americas Team; I want to be Texasís Team.

chuckm
09-20-2005, 11:45 AM
Who made the decision to not sign Jeff Posey? Who made the decision not to sign Steve Foley?


the same guy that drafted DRob & DDavis ....

Huge
09-20-2005, 11:52 AM
The coach to the north was a legend; Dom Capers will be better if given the opportunity.
I sincerely hope you meant Capers can be better than what he is now instead of he can be better than Tom Landry.

That can be read both ways.

Corrosion
09-20-2005, 11:58 AM
the same guy that drafted DRob & DDavis ....


D-Rob was a NO BRAINER .... He was as good or better coming out of college as DeAngelo Hall ... In fact I had D-Rob on my mock that year ..... DD was a lucky pick that worked out ... If it werent for an injury he never would have had the opportunity to show he could play ....Personel moves in the NFL are a **** shoot in most situations .... Unless you are dealing with Top Tier Talent .....

Casserly has had his good moves and his poor ones .... just seems to me that so far he's had more bad moves than good lately

Corrosion
09-20-2005, 12:00 PM
I sincerely hope you meant Capers can be better than what he is now instead of he can be better than Tom Landry.

That can be read both ways.


Heh , Capers will never amount to a pimple on Landry's A** .... even if he wins a superbowl here . Landry is one of the greatest coaches ever in any sport ...... and I HATE the Cowpies ... always have always will.

chuckm
09-20-2005, 12:07 PM
DD was a lucky pick that worked out


So Casserly gets no credit for it since you term it as "a lucky pick"?

chuckm
09-20-2005, 12:16 PM
I guess my point is that it's not fair to make a lot of any GM's misses without doing the same for his hits. I'm no Casserly apologist but I can tell you that I was on these boards when Dunte was drafted and as you would expect there were those that couldn't believe we picked him. I myself had never heard of him prior to the predraft hype but 18 months later he's arguably the 2nd best player we have.

gcolby
09-20-2005, 12:24 PM
Casserly was wise to let Foley etc. go. We would have paid too much to keep them.

Vinny
09-20-2005, 12:30 PM
Casserly was wise to let Foley etc. go. We would have paid too much to keep them.He wasn't let go due to salary. I don't know where some of this stuff I am reading is coming from today.

Foley, Steve LB San Diego Chargers 540,000.00

http://www.nflpa.org/members/main.asp?subPage=Player+Search+Results

Hervoyel
09-20-2005, 12:35 PM
Who made the decision to not sign Jeff Posey? Who made the decision not to sign Steve Foley?


Actually both Posey and Foley were out of here about 30 seconds after the free agent signing period began. I don't think either of them was interested in even contemplating a future here. You make some good points otherwise but those two cases are bad examples.

infantrycak
09-20-2005, 12:45 PM
Actually both Posey and Foley were out of here about 30 seconds after the free agent signing period began. I don't think either of them was interested in even contemplating a future here.

Posey I think that is correct, but IMO less so with Foley. All it would have taken with Foley was a shot at starting and he would have stayed. Of course at that point Babin had to be on the field to justify the picks, Wong had to be on the field because he is smart and versatile, Sharper had to be on the field based on his performance prior to 2004 and salary considerations and Foreman, well I really can't come up with one for Foreman. Somehow though, I coaches couldn't come up with a spot in our 3-4 D where Foley could contribute. Hmmmm....

sensei
09-20-2005, 12:49 PM
So Casserly gets no credit for it since you term it as "a lucky pick"?

I feel compelled to start this with a disclaimer. I am neither pro nor con as far as Casserly is concerned. I do remember his tenure in Washington and all the controversy associated with it. I personally thought he was overated.

If you take a professional dart thrower and blindfold them, spin them around, place a handful of darts in their hand, point them at the dartboard and have them throw the darts, what will be the most likely result?

You will get some darts on the board, probably most will miss the board entirely, and occasionally you will get a bulleye. But, I think all will agree, this is not he best way to throw darts.

Nostrodamus made thousands of predictions. Most have not even come close to coming true. A few appear to have happened. Does this make him a true prophet or a genius? Some seem to think so.

Casserly has thrown a lot of darts at the board. A few have been bullseyes. Some have hit the board. Some have missed the board entirely. Does this make him a personel genius or a blindfolded dart thrower?

I guess everyone is entitled to their own opinion on Casserly also.

sensei

1-3
09-20-2005, 01:02 PM
Dunta and Andre were top ten picks in our most glaring need areas every talking head on NFL Primetime would have selected. It's great that they have turned out to be All-Pro caliber players but the GM doesn't get too much credit for these kind of picks. DD was a good draft pick and Peek has the chance to turn out the same way possibly. The "bold" moves our GM has made, not the pigeonholed top ten picks, look pretty bad right about now. Multiple picks for Babin, Buchanon, 2nd on Hollings, reach Joppru, Ragone 3rd round.

The dart thrower analogy doesn't even fit because our blindfolded GM gives half his darts away.

infantrycak
09-20-2005, 01:11 PM
Dunta and Andre were top ten picks in our most glaring need areas every talking head on NFL Primetime would have selected. It's great that they have turned out to be All-Pro caliber players but the GM doesn't get too much credit for these kind of picks. DD was a good draft pick and Peek has the chance to turn out the same way possibly. The "bold" moves our GM has made, not the pigeonholed top ten picks, look pretty bad right about now. Multiple picks for Babin, Buchanon, 2nd on Hollings, reach Joppru, Ragone 3rd round.

The dart thrower analogy doesn't even fit because our blindfolded GM gives half his darts away.

Bag on Casserly for arguable picks like Charles Hill, Ragone, Hollings, Babin, etc. but the revisionist history about the AJ and Dunta picks is pretty silly and unnecessary. AJ and Dunta were not obvious or undisputed picks. In 2003 lots of people were arguing for Dewayne Robertson, Terrence Newman, Terrell Suggs, Jordan Gross and Jimmy Kennedy. In 2004 it was even less obvious with plenty of folks wanting to move up or down or stay for players like Vilma, DJ Williams, Tommie Harris, Shawn Andrews, Will Smith, Udeze & Wilfork. Give credit where credit is due while bagging where bagging is due.

tsip
09-20-2005, 03:02 PM
"Dom Capers will be better if given the opportunity."

...guess I've missed something---who is holding Caper's back?...that's his forte.

PapaL
09-20-2005, 03:09 PM
"Dom Capers will be better if given the opportunity."

...guess I've missed something---who is holding Caper's back?...that's his forte.

His notebook holds him back. With the exception of the punting game, success has not been written in it.

throwANDREtheBALL
09-20-2005, 03:21 PM
ooooh.........wow, good one :tv:

Bre4301
09-20-2005, 03:47 PM
the same guy that drafted DRob & DDavis ....
Great Picks, still has nothing to do with hugh mistakes by Casserly.

Bre4301
09-20-2005, 03:50 PM
I sincerely hope you meant Capers can be better than what he is now instead of he can be better than Tom Landry.

That can be read both ways.

Capers is in same league with chance to exceed Landry

Bre4301
09-20-2005, 03:56 PM
So Casserly gets no credit for it since you term it as "a lucky pick"?

How many starters are from the Texans first draft, compared to the top 10 teams?

That should give an apple to apple comparison?

throwANDREtheBALL
09-20-2005, 04:26 PM
Casserly is just a poor GM. Case Closed.

Bubbajwp
09-20-2005, 04:40 PM
Casserly is just a poor GM. Case Closed.
Open the case back up and throw capers in it.

Huge
09-20-2005, 05:29 PM
Capers is in same league with chance to exceed Landry
ZING!!! Now there's a doozie.

tsip
09-20-2005, 05:55 PM
"Capers is in same league with chance to exceed Landry"

WOW!! OK, please give us the reasons why... :confused:

Bubbajwp
09-20-2005, 06:10 PM
"Capers is in same league with chance to exceed Landry"

WOW!! OK, please give us the reasons why... :confused:
They both coached in the NFL idonno: I hope thats all he meant.