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alphajoker
09-20-2005, 12:25 PM
Being the conspiracy theorist that I am, do you think it's possible that Carr's poor play so far as well as the rest of the offense was a ploy to get their OC fired? Just a dumb thought.

eriadoc
09-20-2005, 12:27 PM
I'm thinking that the offense was getting mixed signals from Capers and Palmer and the SNAFU we've seen was a direct result of that. From the few reports I've heard, the offensive players liked Palmers and his style of game. Capers seems to be the one at odds with that open offensive philosophy.

Lucky
09-20-2005, 12:48 PM
Being the conspiracy theorist that I am, do you think it's possible that Carr's poor play so far...was a ploy to get their OC fired? Just a dumb thought.
I don't think Carr has intentionally played poorly. But, there wasn't a lot of love between Palmer and Carr, and it's very possible that Carr stop hearing what Palmer had to say. I don't like it when a player's inability to communicate with a coach causes a change, but it happens all the time.

Maybe the fact that Pendry and Carr are on speaking terms will help the offense. I'm not sure. But I do think that whatever was between Carr and Palmer was hurting the team and it's always easier to get rid of the coach.

Texans Pride
09-20-2005, 12:51 PM
I don't think Carr has intentionally played poorly. But, there wasn't a lot of love between Palmer and Carr, and it's very possible that Carr stop hearing what Palmer had to say.


Lucky what makes you think this? I never knew there was a problem between the two.

Vinny
09-20-2005, 01:16 PM
Lucky what makes you think this? I never knew there was a problem between the two.I thought it was common knowledge that Carr and Palmer weren't ever close.
I think Palmer was very telling when he made these comments...

"We change personnel a lot, but it just has to happen faster," quarterback David Carr said. "We need to get guys in and out faster. It's on me; it's on everybody. We have to move at a faster pace."

Tick, tick, tick
Offensive coordinator Chris Palmer had another view.

"The quarterback wasn't aware of the play clock," he said. "You have to be aware of the play clock.
Right tackle Todd Wade said he expects very few of Sunday's sacks to be blamed on the line this week.

"It's premature for me to say this, but I don't think the offensive line had a lot to do with that," Wade said.
The rest of the time, Carr threw the ball away or ran out of bounds. He was charged with one intentional grounding penalty.

"They scramble around and make plays," Palmer said. "We scramble around and we don't make plays."

The inability to be more productive only increased Carr's frustration, and he appeared upset at times.

"I don't want a receiver throwing his arms into the air and saying, 'Throw me the ball,' " Palmer said. "I don't want the quarterback throwing the ball down on the field showing his frustrations.
http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/sports/fb/texans/3359464

Texans Pride
09-20-2005, 05:13 PM
Thanks Vinn!

nunusguy
09-20-2005, 05:32 PM
I thought it was common knowledge that Carr and Palmer weren't ever close.
I think Palmer was very telling when he made these comments...
http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/sports/fb/texans/3359464
That finger pointing going on between Carr & Palmer was just reported after Sunday's game and is a clear indication of their friction, but I don't recall
of anything prior to that in print ? That's not to say insiders don't know about
internal problems the two have had for some time now ? But Palmer is history now and what I'm just as interested in is who was Todd Wade pointing his finger at - Carr, Palmer, or someone else ?

1-3
09-20-2005, 05:57 PM
There is something to be said when a guy voluntarily runs out of bounds for a "sack" rather than throwing an incompletion and helping the team save a few yards.

z0rpAn
09-20-2005, 05:58 PM
id say the TEs or RBs for not picking up the outside blitzers.

Bubbajwp
09-20-2005, 06:16 PM
Being the conspiracy theorist that I am, do you think it's possible that Carr's poor play so far as well as the rest of the offense was a ploy to get their OC fired? Just a dumb thought.
If so then its a ingenious idea and it worked. Lets hope its true.

thegr8fan
09-20-2005, 06:17 PM
id say the TEs or RBs for not picking up the outside blitzers. you mean like the time when DD blocked Palamalwalamama upfield and to, what should have been, the backside of the pocket and David Carr ran right into his arms for a sack? :rolleyes:

I guess that was the David Carr version of 'if you can't come to me, I'll come to you' train of thought. :ok:

Bubbajwp
09-20-2005, 06:28 PM
you mean like the time when DD blocked Palamalwalamama upfield and to, what should have been, the backside of the pocket and David Carr ran right into his arms for a sack? :rolleyes:

I guess that was the David Carr version of 'if you can't come to me, I'll come to you' train of thought. :ok:
Its not Carrs Fault. The Coaches have been training Carr to expect his blockers to do the wrong thing for the past three years.

rmartin65
09-20-2005, 06:31 PM
i did not know that carr and palmer disliked each other.

thegr8fan
09-20-2005, 06:37 PM
how in the world can ANYONE not know that Palmer and Carr didn't like each other? :confused:

that secret was almost kept as quite as Bud Adams taking his team to TN. :texflag:

thegr8fan
09-20-2005, 06:42 PM
Its not Carrs Fault. The Coaches have been training Carr to expect his blockers to do the wrong thing for the past three years Bubba, getting you to admit that ANYTHING is Carr's fault would be harder than teaching a dog to go "MEOW", so you'll excuse me if I don't spend alot of time on trying.

I don't have the time, energy, or motivation, to help you take off the Carr Blinders. It simply is what it is. Your opinion, verses mine. we will simply have to agree to disagree on Carr.

Huge
09-20-2005, 06:43 PM
If there was even a hint that Carr was playing poorly on purpose for the reason of getting his OC fired, he'd never play another down in this league. What coach would be dumb enough to trust him after that?

HJam72
09-20-2005, 06:48 PM
What coach would be dumb enough to trust him after that?

Joe Pendry, lol. :)

I don't think Carr's been doing that, I just had to say it.

infantrycak
09-20-2005, 06:51 PM
Bubba, getting you to admit that ANYTHING is Carr's fault would be harder than teaching a dog to go "MEOW", so you'll excuse me if I don't spend alot of time on trying.

I don't have the time, energy, or motivation, to help you take off the Carr Blinders. It simply is what it is. Your opinion, verses mine. we will simply have to agree to disagree on Carr.

I think, or at least hope, bubba forgot to put a sarcasm alert in that post.

Bubbajwp
09-20-2005, 06:54 PM
Bubba, getting you to admit that ANYTHING is Carr's fault would be harder than teaching a dog to go "MEOW", so you'll excuse me if I don't spend alot of time on trying.

I don't have the time, energy, or motivation, to help you take off the Carr Blinders. It simply is what it is. Your opinion, verses mine. we will simply have to agree to disagree on Carr.
Ever heard of sarcasim. I dont think that nothing is his fault. I just dont think everything is his fault like most people. Theres to many things going wrong with this team for it to be one persons fault.

thegr8fan
09-20-2005, 06:56 PM
I think, or at least hope, bubba forgot to put a sarcasm alert in that post. if so, then I apologize to Bubba for the remark. But from memory he seems to be one of the Carr can do no wrong people. If not, then my apology's Bubba. :embarrass

Bubbajwp
09-20-2005, 06:57 PM
I think, or at least hope, bubba forgot to put a sarcasm alert in that post.
Yes I was being sarcastic. I will try harder to show when im joking and being sacastic.

thegr8fan
09-20-2005, 06:59 PM
I dont think that nothing is his fault. I just dont think everything is his fault like most people. Theres to many things going wrong with this team for it to be one persons fault. seems like you and I are more alike than I originally thought. Including the sarcasm. Sorry for the remark Bubba, honest.

Bubbajwp
09-20-2005, 06:59 PM
if so, then I apologize to Bubba for the remark. But from memory he seems to be one of the Carr can do no wrong people. If not, then my apology's Bubba. :embarrass
No need to apologize I do make excusses for carr to much but somebody has to do it right.

Bubbajwp
09-20-2005, 07:01 PM
Im going to give him a few more games before I start :hairpull: or maybe :party:

Runner
09-20-2005, 07:41 PM
If there was even a hint that Carr was playing poorly on purpose for the reason of getting his OC fired, he'd never play another down in this league. What coach would be dumb enough to trust him after that?

He wasn't the only one.

Watch the difference in energy brought to the field the next game.

GP
09-20-2005, 10:47 PM
From where I stand, and from what I see...

Carr would NOT intentionally play poorly just to increase the chances of Palmer getting axed.

It's just not in his DNA. He's the good guy. A company man.

I actually think that he's been way to nice to everybody. He gets all fire dup and slaps the ball, but he looks up into the air and says something like, "Aww! Come on!" with no eye contact toward any of his teammates.

And to me, that shows that he's afraid to get in someone's face.

Face it: No NFL QB is perfect. The best ones still make a dumb mistake here and there, and I just think Carr is letting his own mistakes keep him from pointing fingers at others. He doesn't want to risk getting it pointed back at him.

But what he needs to learn is that he is technically the "boss" and the offensive teammates are the "employees." You might disagree with the boss, and you might think he made a bad decision...but by the end of the day, he's still the boss and he has control.

THAT's the biggest reason I have been jumping all over Carr on this board.

He's got top stop worrying about his nice guy image and just become brutally honest with the team when they are not holding up their end of the deal.

So I don't think he did this on purpose. He might have been praying for Palmer to get axed, but I doubt he plotted and schemed to do the deed himself. That's my take.

Bubbajwp
09-20-2005, 10:52 PM
From where I stand, and from what I see...

Carr would NOT intentionally play poorly just to increase the chances of Palmer getting axed.

It's just not in his DNA. He's the good guy. A company man.

I actually think that he's been way to nice to everybody. He gets all fire dup and slaps the ball, but he looks up into the air and says something like, "Aww! Come on!" with no eye contact toward any of his teammates.

And to me, that shows that he's afraid to get in someone's face.

Face it: No NFL QB is perfect. The best ones still make a dumb mistake here and there, and I just think Carr is letting his own mistakes keep him from pointing fingers at others. He doesn't want to risk getting it pointed back at him.

But what he needs to learn is that he is technically the "boss" and the offensive teammates are the "employees." You might disagree with the boss, and you might think he made a bad decision...but by the end of the day, he's still the boss and he has control.

THAT's the biggest reason I have been jumping all over Carr on this board.

He's got top stop worrying about his nice guy image and just become brutally honest with the team when they are not holding up their end of the deal.
So I don't think he did this on purpose. He might have been praying for Palmer to get axed, but I doubt he plotted and schemed to do the deed himself. That's my take.
hopfully everything that has happened pissed him off and he will start :slap: his teamates instead of :highfive: them for almost winning.

GP
09-20-2005, 11:39 PM
Bubba:

Do you really work in a warehouse as it states on your little bio screen in the top right of your posts?

I made my "go-to-work-and-get-blamed" comment because that's what happens to me at work. I work/manage a warehouse, and I get the bad end of the stick on EVERYTHING. It was irritating at first, but now it's just comical when it happens.

Anyway, you had replied with a "Yeah, I've been doing that for 3 1/2 years myself...." and I was thinking to myself, "So have I...."

Anyway, if you DO work in a warehouse I think that's pretty funny.

Elite
09-20-2005, 11:42 PM
Being the conspiracy theorist that I am, do you think it's possible that Carr's poor play so far as well as the rest of the offense was a ploy to get their OC fired? Just a dumb thought.


I dont really think so Thats just the best david carr has to offer.