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Marcus
09-20-2005, 07:49 AM
I'm not sure exactly what his contract is . . . (someone else can give the details) . . . but isn't this the year that the Texans have a choice of either extending his contract, or cutting him loose, and be free of the cap money.

My opinion, at least for right now, is that he is damaged goods from a mental standpoint, and we have ourselves a reincarnation of a Tim Couch.

We don't need a Tim Couch on this football team, so I say . . . cut bait.



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OzzO
09-20-2005, 12:36 PM
I believe he gets a roster bonus at the end of this year if he stays on and also believe this is the year they can exercise an extension.

Vinny
09-20-2005, 12:39 PM
If we pick up his option we are going to be paying him like a pro bowler. He has to pick his game up now since his option is no longer a 'no brainer'. * David Carr is in the option year of his rookie contract. If the option is exercised, Carr's contract extends through 2008 and he is due a pro-rateable $8,000,000 bonus. Base salaries for the next three years would be $5.25 million in 2006 and 2007 and $6 million in 2008. http://www.houstonprofootball.com/cap.html

PapaL
09-20-2005, 03:16 PM
That is a lot of money for a kid who may not be as good as he was 1st and 2nd year in the league. Wouldnt be shocked if the option was not picked up.

Kaiser Toro
09-20-2005, 03:23 PM
If he wants to be paid like an All-Pro, he has to show that he can play and lead like one. Not for one game, but consistently for the rest of the season.

mexican_texan
09-20-2005, 03:48 PM
I think the Texans should draft a QB in the first 3 rounds to have a solid backup that could take over should David Carr falter. Preferably, one of Texas' QBs, Young or McNeal. Or, we could wait for Pierre Beasley (look him up)

Kaiser Toro
09-20-2005, 03:53 PM
I think the Texans should draft a QB in the first 3 rounds to have a solid backup that could take over should David Carr falter. Preferably, one of Texas' QBs, Young or McNeal. Or, we could wait for Pierre Beasley (look him up)

In the event DC is not worthy of the salary his cotract will command I would rather build the O line and go journey man in the interim. A value pick for a young QB I belive would be warranted. However, as much as I like seeing homegrown talent I do not like to see it at the QB position. It puts a lot of pressure on the organization.

Bubbajwp
09-20-2005, 03:54 PM
I think the Texans should draft a QB in the first 3 rounds to have a solid backup that could take over should David Carr falter. Preferably, one of Texas' QBs, Young or McNeal. Or, we could wait for Pierre Beasley (look him up)
So i guess Pierre Beasley is the reason the mustangs are so good. I think we should just restructure Carrs contract. Hes not worth any were that much.

mexican_texan
09-20-2005, 04:32 PM
In the event DC is not worthy of the salary his cotract will command I would rather build the O line and go journey man in the interim. A value pick for a young QB I belive would be warranted. However, as much as I like seeing homegrown talent I do not like to see it at the QB position. It puts a lot of pressure on the organization.

Aaronn Glenn was homegrown talent, living just miles away from Westfield in Nimitz. I heard he played good for us. BTW, Beasley is like Vick with a better arm and was the number one prospect out of texas, last I heard.

mexican_texan
09-20-2005, 04:35 PM
So i guess Pierre Beasley is the reason the mustangs are so good. I think we should just restructure Carrs contract. Hes not worth any were that much.

The Mustangs are loaded, there is no one player that deserves too much credit. But yeah, Carr should restructure his contract if he doesn't want to get sacked so much. Does anyone know how Dan Neil is a free agent?

Bubbajwp
09-20-2005, 04:36 PM
How about we wait for Jimmy claussen. Is that how you spell it.

TexanExile
09-20-2005, 07:26 PM
I think the Texans should draft a QB in the first 3 rounds to have a solid backup that could take over should David Carr falter.

Heh....Yes, I'd also be very concerned if Carr suddenly were to falter. He's been doing so well lately. :brickwall

Anyway...David Leaf--errr, I mean Joey Carr--wait, uh, I meant to say David Feeley---should not receive pay out of line with his performance just because he's here and "knows the system." At this rate, that "system" (such as it is) will be outbound on I-10 long before it's time to start negotiating with Carr. If a coaching change does happen, he isn't doing much to strengthen his case as being much more than another potential FA signing at this point.

But it's only 2 games in. There's a LOT of ball left for him to turn it around. Honestly, I hope he does, but he's gotta get started fairly soon.

HJam72
09-20-2005, 07:34 PM
Maybe he should shave his head completely bald and see what happens.

The new David Carr ------> :)

Honoring Earl 34
09-20-2005, 07:50 PM
:brickwall If Carr goes then he should be accompanied by Capers and CC. Out of the three Carr shoulders the least blame ... they picked him .

beerlover
09-20-2005, 09:19 PM
If we pick up his option we are going to be paying him like a pro bowler. He has to pick his game up now since his option is no longer a 'no brainer'. http://www.houstonprofootball.com/cap.html

Vinny so if the Texans don't pick up his rookie option is he a restricted free agent or unrestricted free agent next year?

Vinny
09-20-2005, 09:51 PM
I could be mistaken but I believe he would be unrestricted if we don't pick it up.

Rightnow
09-20-2005, 10:22 PM
He will have to pull a rabbit out of his hat to get that extension or have pictures of Casserly. I forsee him being benched at least one game before the end of this season and Banks being our QB. If Carr gets benched, that is the end of him.

Elite
09-20-2005, 10:28 PM
I would like to keep carr i mean he knows the offense or lack there of :yahoo: but if we keep carr he would get paid what he needs to get paid wich should be the league minimum and i still think he would be overpaid. :highfive: I wonder how much diferrent of a franchise we are gonna be When We have Matt Lionheart at the helms.

Bubbajwp
09-20-2005, 10:30 PM
I would like to keep carr i mean he knows the offense or lack there of :yahoo: but if we keep carr he would get paid what he needs to get paid wich should be the league minimum and i still think he would be overpaid. :highfive: I wonder how much diferrent of a franchise we are gonna be When We have Matt Lionheart at the helms.
More of the same. :brickwall :brickwall

Elite
09-20-2005, 10:35 PM
More of the same. :brickwall :brickwall

may be so but at leats we know Matt LionHeart can win a Big Game sure david carr won big games in college too Hawaii San jose state all them powerfull and recognised football programs :rofl: lol:

awtysst
09-20-2005, 10:38 PM
may be so but at leats we know Matt LionHeart can win a Big Game sure david carr won big games in college too Hawaii San jose state all them powerfull and recognised football programs :rofl: lol:

He cannot win the Flag Football Blue Hair Invitational with this Offensive Line

Elite
09-20-2005, 10:40 PM
He cannot win the Flag Football Blue Hair Invitational with this Offensive Line


Your right he will never be a winner. and we need one desperately may be we can swing a deal for Trent Dilfer so he can Groom david Carr :yahoo:

awtysst
09-20-2005, 11:13 PM
Your right he will never be a winner. and we need one desperately may be we can swing a deal for Trent Dilfer so he can Groom david Carr :yahoo:


THIS Offensive Line would make Joe Montana look like Ryan Leaf.

PapaL
09-21-2005, 07:25 AM
may be so but at leats we know Matt LionHeart can win a Big Game sure david carr won big games in college too Hawaii San jose state all them powerfull and recognised football programs :rofl: lol:

We know that how? By him having the best O-Line/skill players/Defense/coaching staff in College football? Hell I think DC could up similar numbers in USC. Don't be so quick to anoint Leinhert as the savior of all that is holy.

NativeJPR
09-21-2005, 07:44 AM
I never heard of David Carr before the Texans drafted him. I rarely ever hear of Fresno State to this day. You can't prove yourself worthy if you haven't been there. David Carr is there for the first time in his life and needs some serious help. I wish him well but he may not be the answer for the Texans.

U4ikrob
09-21-2005, 09:16 AM
It's funny as I talked about this in the off-season also and how I thought DAvid would not do so good this year if the O-line play didnt pick up. IMO David is a decent QB just in the wrong Offense system. In a west coast style offense with average O-line protection I think David would have done very well. But since the team has never done anything close to fielding an O-line worth much they have crippled the part of DAvids game that was his strength before coming here. - The Passing game - He lit it up at Fresno and set some pretty serious pass records. Then enters DOOM Capers and the run control offense behind a bad O-line. You could put a pro-bowl QB behind our O-line and they would have trouble producing.

However - I'm not going to make excuses for DAvid either - His performance can certainly step up a few notches and he needs to take over games like other good QB's in the league do. Good, bad or indifferent he needs to get comfortable and confident he can make plays with this team and the plaeyrs on it. Since he only has 1 player he's comfortable throwing to now in AJ it's even harder. Without a great pass-catching TE to back off the blitz DAvid has nowhere to throw too except the Double covered AJ as niether Bradford nor Gaffney make enough impact or separation on their routes to get David's attention most of the time in a live game thus his only choice is throwing to AJ most of the time as DD is blocking to give David 2 seconds to throw.

Option year - IT will certainly be interesting if they pick up his option this year. IMO I think they will not and will let him come into camp next year and have to compete for the starting position along with Ragone, Banks and anyone else the staff bring in. Of course it might be a whole new offense by then too - I expect the team to flounder alot more this year just as I said in the off-season and think they will be lucky to make it back to .500 by the end of the year. Sure there a lot of games left to play, but IMO I have not seen the team look sharp in a while. They have played sloppy and inconsitent football pretty much the whole off-season, TC, Pre-season and the first 2 games. Having watched most of those from the stands behind the sidelines this year I can tell you it looked pretty pathetic at times on the field and on the sidelines.

Elite
09-21-2005, 09:29 PM
We know that how? By him having the best O-Line/skill players/Defense/coaching staff in College football? Hell I think DC could up similar numbers in USC. Don't be so quick to anoint Leinhert as the savior of all that is holy.



Well we would of known if David was good enough to be recruited by a proven Program but he wasnt i wonder? may be other college scout saw he was worthless. :rofl:

Elite
09-25-2005, 02:43 PM
Obviously, you have proven your lack of knowledge with the few blatherings of posts of yours I could sift through. Jeff Tedford, as an ex Fresno State QB, and offensive coordinator under Jim Sweeney picked the local talent and the L.A. basin. David Carr was the last of his picks when Pat Hill was taking over the program. Jeff didn't get the head coaching job and Pat Hill had a different offensive philosophy.... and Jeff left for Oregon.

Look at who Fresno State plays out of conference over many years then get back to me.

I guess the following teams don't matter huh?

Auburn
Tennessee
Kansas State (Big-12 champs got punked pretty hard last time around)
Oregon
Oregon State (ranked #7 at the time Carr and friends beat them 63 to something.)
UCLA
Colorado
Ohio State
Texas Tech
Georgia Tech
Oklahoma
Wisconsin
USC (last meeting was when Dilfer beat them down. This year is going to be a slaughter)
etc.
etc.
etc.

Yeah, Fresno State doesn't play anybody.


Fresno State Enough Said :ouch:

Double Barrel
09-25-2005, 04:48 PM
If we pick up his option we are going to be paying him like a pro bowler. He has to pick his game up now since his option is no longer a 'no brainer'. * David Carr is in the option year of his rookie contract. If the option is exercised, Carr's contract extends through 2008 and he is due a pro-rateable $8,000,000 bonus. Base salaries for the next three years would be $5.25 million in 2006 and 2007 and $6 million in 2008.

So really, the team's direction comes down to this year. If Dom and company tank, I think there will be big changes at the top. I can't see a decision to keep going in this direction to be very smart, business-wise.

And if the team has a bad year, Carr won't really get a chance to prove himself (or perhaps he has already had his chance, depending on how you look at it), it would not be a good business decision to throw Pro-Bowl money at him.

Elite
09-25-2005, 04:50 PM
it really wouldnt i would much rather have a journey man at Qb for dirt cheap than Carr highly overpaid.

Elite
09-25-2005, 05:49 PM
And I'd be willing to bet anyone you put back there will be just as sacked and ineffective also. Don't let the facts get in the way.



But with the same talent as carr and making alot less money we can get any dummy to do what carr does lol:

TexansTrueFan
09-25-2005, 06:05 PM
if they want him to stay they need to prove to him they are building a team he can lead to a few superbowls.

Honoring Earl 34
09-25-2005, 07:38 PM
:brickwall If Carr still has the respect of his team , then he has a pulse . If they have lost it ... he must go .

Ibar_Harry
09-25-2005, 08:03 PM
Well we would of known if David was good enough to be recruited by a proven Program but he wasnt i wonder? may be other college scout saw he was worthless. :rofl:

David lived in Fresno a number of years before moving to Bakersfield. He use to sneek on to the playing field and practicing with his dad and dream about playing at Fresno State. When he moved to Bakersfield that dream never went away. He knew how good Tedford was and there simply wasn't a question where he wanted to play if the opportunity was there. In fact when Tedford went to Oregon he almost went with him. It would have been interesting given Harrington was there at the same time. We are a school with a small name, but we have produced a number of players who went on to the NFL and made a name for themselves. Sweeny was an innovative coach over the years who never was really made it to the big time.

With Sweeny you start with a soccer player from Norway by the name of Stenarrud(Sp). Sweeny's son use to practice with his assistant's son. Both went on to play QB, but the assistant's son was a little more well know. He learned from his dad and Sweeny. Oh, his name, is John Elway. Fresno has produced players like Henry Ellard, Stephan Page, Jeff Tedford(Canadanian), Sonny Bishop, Volick, Dilfer, Tedford, Mankins, Carr(obviously) and a number of others. We also played Santa Clara a number of years ago and they had a blond haired QB. I said who in the hell is this guy. Absolutely killed us. Oh his name was Pasterini. Guess you never heard of that name before. To use the roos that a small school means that a player is probably nothing is a bit much. In fact there probably have been a lot more big time players from small schools than big schools. They try harder because they have more to prove.

NFLforher
09-25-2005, 10:51 PM
Well we would of known if David was good enough to be recruited by a proven Program but he wasnt i wonder? may be other college scout saw he was worthless. :rofl:


"David was being recruited by college coaches up and down the West Coast. UCLA and Washington were among the biggest schools after him."

rdbrem
09-25-2005, 11:44 PM
Actually, it's a really tough question guessing what they'll do. Think about it.

They worked really hard to get Pace, and were willing to pay top dollar. Then, when that fell through, they did nothing for the O-line.

They pulled in a bunch of guys for returns, saw Swinton do a great job, then got rid of him.

They drafted Mathis, when NO ONE saw that coming. Some people liked the call after they made it, but no one predicted it beforehand.

So my guess is, if everybody on this board is agreed that they shouldn't pick up his option, they'll probably pick it up, and restructure his contract for even bigger bucks. And they'll do nothing for the O-line again.

Elite
09-26-2005, 12:35 AM
Well back to the subject of this thread the texans will not and should not pick up david carr option. he hasnt showed he can make it in this league and no one can deny that O-line issues coaching issues doesnt really matter has he showed he needs to be one of the highest payed QB's in the league the answer is NO and no homer can deny that.

covcath1
09-28-2005, 03:37 PM
I just read that Carr will get 8 million in bonus money if he's on the roster next year.. Is this correct? Do you Texan's think he's worth it????

Exascor
09-28-2005, 03:45 PM
Right now...no way. If Pendry helps Carr regain his confidence and Carr's performance helps salvage the offense this season then maybe we'll talk.

BengalStripes
09-28-2005, 08:01 PM
I wouldn't be giving up on him just yet. Get him on O-Line and see what you get. It's hard to be successful throwing off your back.

Davis37
09-29-2005, 02:51 AM
Have you ever heard that old football adage, "You build a team from the lines out?" Well, then, you're one up on the Texans. Next: at CIN

I just copied that from another post (dont remember who it came from sry). I would explain, but it seems it expains itself...

beerlover
09-29-2005, 11:22 AM
I just read that Carr will get 8 million in bonus money if he's on the roster next year.. Is this correct? Do you Texan's think he's worth it????

Houston Chronicle: "David Carr is due an $8 million roster bonus by the end of this season. If the Texans don't exercise it, he will become a free agent. Until recently, that money and Carr's future with the Texans hadn't been an issue."

I don't beleive they really have a choice, Texans will meet commitment :cool:

Vinny
09-29-2005, 11:27 AM
If Carr can't pick up his game I don't think we will pay him that 8 mil bonus plus his salary. It's not as automatic as you may think as I believe we pursue a veteran next off-season if he can't get it together. He will have the rest of this year to get his game together and I think he will play better....so his destiny is in his play over the next 14 games.

beerlover
09-29-2005, 12:50 PM
If Carr can't pick up his game I don't think we will pay him that 8 mil bonus plus his salary. It's not as automatic as you may think as I believe we pursue a veteran next off-season if he can't get it together. He will have the rest of this year to get his game together and I think he will play better....so his destiny is in his play over the next 14 games.

which veteran do you think the Texans pursue next off-season :confused:

his destiny was sealed when the Texans picked him as the 1st pick in franchise history :)

Vinny
09-29-2005, 12:54 PM
If it was sealed then they wouldn't have worked in an option year. I don't know who we would pursue right now...its too early. May not happen, but I wouldn't bet against it if Carr can't play any better than he has the last few games last year and the first few games this year.

Johnny Utah
09-29-2005, 01:04 PM
If the Chargers decide to go with Rivers at the end of the year like the Bengals did with Palmer,I hope the Texans pursue Brees. I would much rather pay a $6-8 million per year contract to a QB who has performed at this level instead of giving it to Carr, and hoping he can become a great QB in the future.

Mr Shush
09-29-2005, 01:28 PM
Davis37, that quote is from the Football Outsiders Power Rankings on FOXSports.com. Houston currently lie 31st, ahead of only the '9ers, but I believe that DVOA (the main stat FO uses to rank teams) doesn't make quite as much adjustment for strength of schedule as it should (although making any at all is a big improvement over most stats) so we should probably be a few places higher. I certainly believe we're a better team than the Packers, for one.

As has already pointed out, any quarterback is going to struggle behind an O-line as porous as ours against top flight defenses like the two we've faced. I expect we'll lose to the Bengals, because they show every sign of being an excellent team, but they don't have a pass-rush like Pittsburgh or Buffalo and our offense will look much better as a result. Not necessarily good, but better, and that will be the pattern for most of our remaining games (except against Indy). As for picking up the option, you may or may not be a fan of Casserly's, but he's not a moron. I don't expect us to pursue a veteran this summer, because, as ever, no good ones are likely to be available, with the qualified exception of Kurt Warner, who could still be a pro-bowl QB if he played behind . . . you got it, an offensive line that could protect him. That doesn't mean we'll take up the option on Carr - we'll offer him a new deal with a good deal less guaranteed money that will allow us to cut him if his performance is substandard or retain him at a reasonable price if (as will likely be the case) his performance is competent but no more. If Carr is cut, he will get a starting job elsewhere without too much difficulty - he may not be great, but he's not bad either, and you'd be a fool to let two bad games in almost impossible conditions convince you otherwise.

aj.
10-02-2005, 10:49 AM
If we pick up his option we are going to be paying him like a pro bowler. He has to pick his game up now since his option is no longer a 'no brainer'.
Quote:
* David Carr is in the option year of his rookie contract. If the option is exercised, Carr's contract extends through 2008 and he is due a pro-rateable $8,000,000 bonus. Base salaries for the next three years would be $5.25 million in 2006 and 2007 and $6 million in 2008.

http://www.houstonprofootball.com/cap.html[/url]

Actually, there are two extension options.

The first is a two year option that would pay him a signing bonus of $5.5 along with base salaries of $5 and $5.25 in '06 and '07.

The second is the three year option that's being commonly reported.

The other option is to allow Carr to enter unrestricted free agency on March 1. Casserly seems steadfast in his support for Carr. Of course he would.

texan279
10-02-2005, 11:09 AM
I just can't see us picking up Carr's option unless he pulls a 180 and looks like Montana the rest of the season...

Vinny
10-02-2005, 11:09 AM
Thanks aj, so what do you think the cap hit would look like if they sign him?