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Diehardtexan
09-19-2005, 02:31 PM
It's evident that David Carr is lost and has no feel for reading defenses. I've noticed that he lacks pocket presence. Every time he runs out of the pocket he runs in the direction of the LB or he gives the LB a better angle to tackle him. He also lacks the touch on the ball. Armstrong bailed him out several times yesterday. The TV announcers even pointed out and circled a wide open WR in the middle of the field but Carr was only focused on one the whole play. Even the ball that Bradford dropped was partially Carr's fault. It was thrown right at Bradford's eye sight and It looked like it came out of a cannon. Not that Bradford is a great receiver or any thing but you can't always just point the blame on him.
I think Carr deserve one more year with a different Off. Coordinator that will simplify the offense for him and open it up for him. Marve Levey Did that in Buffalo and gave the players more freedom to get the most out of the talents they have. If that doesn't work then Carr has to be let go at the end of his contract. For now he should just shut his pie hole and play.

chuckm
09-19-2005, 02:41 PM
Even the ball that Bradford dropped was partially Carr's fault. It was thrown right at Bradford's eye sight and It looked like it came out of a cannon. Not that Bradford is a great receiver or any thing but you can't always just point the blame on him.


I agree Corey .... :ok:

Doom Capers
09-19-2005, 02:46 PM
I think Bradford actually did decent yesterday. I liked his one handed grab.

chuckm
09-19-2005, 02:47 PM
I liked his one handed grab.


yes it was a nice catch but unfortunately he had to make the juggling catch because he bobbled the ball initially.... watch the replay ...

MIGHTYTEX
09-19-2005, 02:50 PM
I hate to tell you but some of the sacks are Carr's fault, not most. It's mostly an offensive team unit problem.

Carr's fault:
1. Running out of bounds behind the line of scrimmage.
2. Running into the path of a blitzer.

Offensive unit fault:
1. O-line not able to pick up the blitzer
2. Poor blocking from RB's and TE's
3. WR's not getting open quickly
4. O-line and TE's not able to keep a pockit for Carr to stay in.

If I'm missing anything let me know.

chuckm
09-19-2005, 02:52 PM
If I'm missing anything let me know.



the only thing you're missing is where I disagreed with the assertion that any of the sacks are Carr's fault. There is plenty of blame to go around. But to say that the Bradford drop was Carr's fault is lunacy ...

MIGHTYTEX
09-19-2005, 03:02 PM
the only thing you're missing is where I disagreed with the assertion that any of the sacks are Carr's fault.


Your telling me that Carr doesn't know to throw the ball away instead of running out of bounds behind the line of scrimmage? Cause if you run out of bounds behind the line of scrimmage it is scored as a SACK.

chuckm
09-19-2005, 03:05 PM
Your telling me that Carr doesn't know to throw the ball away instead of running out of bounds behind the line of scrimmage? Cause if you run out of bounds behind the line of scrimmage it is scored as a SACK.


Let me rephrase my sentence ....nah let me restate it .... none of my posts even pertained to sacks or fault for those sacks ....of course Carr is responsible for some, as are the RBs, as are the linemen, as are the offensive coaches, ...

I was replying to a portion of the initial post about Bradford ....

exclude
09-19-2005, 03:17 PM
It's evident that David Carr is lost and has no feel for reading defenses. I've noticed that he lacks pocket presence. Every time he runs out of the pocket he runs in the direction of the LB or he gives the LB a better angle to tackle him. He also lacks the touch on the ball. Armstrong bailed him out several times yesterday. The TV announcers even pointed out and circled a wide open WR in the middle of the field but Carr was only focused on one the whole play. Even the ball that Bradford dropped was partially Carr's fault. It was thrown right at Bradford's eye sight and It looked like it came out of a cannon. Not that Bradford is a great receiver or any thing but you can't always just point the blame on him.
I think Carr deserve one more year with a different Off. Coordinator that will simplify the offense for him and open it up for him. Marve Levey Did that in Buffalo and gave the players more freedom to get the most out of the talents they have. If that doesn't work then Carr has to be let go at the end of his contract. For now he should just shut his pie hole and play.

I agree with your assessment that Carr is lost but your reasons for him being so are, to be blunt, idiotic.

Its Carr's fault that Bradford missed an easy ball because it was thrown AT HIS EYES?????! Do you want Carr to throw at his butt instead??? :rolleyes:

And you can always point the blame on Bradford because he hasn't performed. Shoot, that acrobatic catch that he caught(his first reception) in the game was thrown at HIS CHEST and yet he bobbled it and luckily for him when he was falling down he managed to grab it.

All passes to Armstrong were caught, with one being really tough. Yet lobs to Bradford, where all he needs to do is get a chest on it, is bobbled and then caught and we laud him for making "acrobatic" catches :ok:

exclude
09-19-2005, 03:23 PM
I think Bradford actually did decent yesterday. I liked his one handed grab.

The one handed grab was by Gaffney, not Bradford...

HoustonHarley
09-19-2005, 03:31 PM
Bottomline is Bradford blows and Armstrong should start. Not all was Carr's fault. At least he showed some fire!

TheOgre
09-19-2005, 03:42 PM
Bradford had a drop on a pass that was "easy" and he had a great catch on a well covered ball.

Doug
09-19-2005, 03:46 PM
The one handed grab was by Gaffney, not Bradford...
Wrong...that was #85 (Bradford) and as previously stated, it was on a second attempt after bobbling the first.

exclude
09-19-2005, 03:49 PM
Wrong...that was #85 (Bradford) and as previously stated, it was on a second attempt after bobbling the first.

Agreed. I had thought Bradford's number was a different number.

Scooter
09-19-2005, 03:50 PM
bradford's catch is hard to call "great". if you watch the replay, the ball bounced off of his chest initially. the only great part was that the ball fell back into his hand. armstrong has the best hands on the team and needs to start ... it seemed everytime armstrong got a look, carr stepped UP in the pocket and just lasered it at him. AJ, armstrong, & billy miller are what the offense needs because they compliment the qb's strengths (which despite popular opinion, are not his legs).

touttail
09-19-2005, 03:51 PM
Dom Capers here, Can you spell "SACK" so I can write it in my little notepad!


bobby 119C

exclude
09-19-2005, 03:56 PM
I need to start up a website specifically for our pass catching challenge friend, Mr. Corey Bradford: www.cutCoreyBradford.com (http://www.cutCoreyBradford.com)

Diehardtexan
09-19-2005, 04:01 PM
I agree with your assessment that Carr is lost but your reasons for him being so are, to be blunt, idiotic.
Idiotic is to take one part of a post and not even understand it
Even the ball that Bradford dropped was partially Carr's fault. It was thrown right at Bradford's eye sight and It looked like it came out of a cannon. Not that Bradford is a great receiver or any thing but you can't always just point the blame on him.
The post was about sacks and this one particular sentence is to show lack of touch on the balls that are fired from Carr's arm and if the ball is thrown right at your face it's hard to judge specially when it's coming with the speed and force that Carr throws with. I'm tired of posters that are blindly loyal to one player that they fail to see his faults and mistakes.

Doug
09-19-2005, 04:02 PM
bradford's catch is hard to call "great". if you watch the replay, the ball bounced off of his chest initially. the only great part was that the ball fell back into his hand. armstrong has the best hands on the team and needs to start ... it seemed everytime armstrong got a look, carr stepped UP in the pocket and just lasered it at him. AJ, armstrong, & billy miller are what the offense needs because they compliment the qb's strengths (which despite popular opinion, are not his legs).
If Billy Miller was what Carr needed he would still be with the team. Although he's unproven, I'm putting a little faith in Jerm (Jerome Mathis) because I think once he's healed and starts he WILL make a difference. AJ, Armstrong, Gaffney, Jerm in a four wr set would be killer.

infantrycak
09-19-2005, 04:15 PM
Dom Capers here, Can you spell "SACK" so I can write it in my little notepad!


bobby 119C

You have beat this joke into the ground, and frankly it wasn't very funny to begin with.

Scooter
09-19-2005, 04:21 PM
If Billy Miller was what Carr needed he would still be with the team. Although he's unproven, I'm putting a little faith in Jerm (Jerome Mathis) because I think once he's healed and starts he WILL make a difference. AJ, Armstrong, Gaffney, Jerm in a four wr set would be killer.

by that logic, buchannon is what this team needs and glenn isnt. bradford is what this team needs and 3+ capable receivers arent. if mathis does something outside of kick returns, great. i'm not sold on him just because he's fast. buchannon's fast & look where that's gotten him. legs dont make receivers, hands do.

exclude
09-19-2005, 04:29 PM
Idiotic is to take one part of a post and not even understand it
Even the ball that Bradford dropped was partially Carr's fault. It was thrown right at Bradford's eye sight and It looked like it came out of a cannon. Not that Bradford is a great receiver or any thing but you can't always just point the blame on him.
The post was about sacks and this one particular sentence is to show lack of touch on the balls that are fired from Carr's arm and if the ball is thrown right at your face it's hard to judge specially when it's coming with the speed and force that Carr throws with. I'm tired of posters that are blindly loyal to one player that they fail to see his faults and mistakes.

Like I said in my post, I agreed with your assessment on Carr, as it pertained to him being lost and not reading defenses well. I agree that he does take wrong angles at times when running and he is quick to take off once hints of the pocket collapses around him.

But your contention that it was a lack of touch that Bradford couldn't hold on to the first pass thrown to him is what I disagreed with. It was clear to me that it was all Bradford's fault. All he has to do is catch it and yet time and time again we see that Bradford is pass catching-challenged. He turns easy passes into adventures and when he does bobble catches that are thrown RIGHT AT HIM, he gets lauded for making "acrobatic" catches.

And yes, Amrstong bailed him out of a few zipped throws, but isn't that what a WR is suppose to do??? Pre-TO, Donovan Mcnabb was probably one of the more inaccurate throwers out there and it showed yet as soon as TO joins Philly, those over thrown bombs now all of a sudden become well thrown bombs. The WR is SUPPOSE to make the QB look good. That's their job. Bradford's drops make Carr look even worse than he is.

I understood the original intent of your post but blaming Carr for Bradford's mistake is dumb.

HoustonHarley
09-19-2005, 04:42 PM
That is exactly right. How often do you see our WR's help David out? I watched that over and over yesterday. In pure misery, I sat and totally keyed in on our weakenesses. Too my great surprise, there were even more than I originally thought and that was one of them. Even when he has time, it appears that the WR's just give up or slow down or both! Did you happened to see Ben's WRs working for him? If you answer they did not, please do not post ever again.

Doug
09-19-2005, 04:57 PM
by that logic, buchannon is what this team needs and glenn isnt. bradford is what this team needs and 3+ capable receivers arent. if mathis does something outside of kick returns, great. i'm not sold on him just because he's fast. buchannon's fast & look where that's gotten him. legs dont make receivers, hands do.



To add everyone in that scenario isn't right. Billy Miller isn't playing any better in Cleveland (dropped an easy pass against Green Bay that could've ended the game and not given the Pack a chance to stay in it)and Glenn is still a backup in Dallas. Bradford is still a capable receiver and came at a great price. Each position has a different situation. As far as I could tell Mathis wasn't just fast, he has hands as well. Granted it was preseason but caught passes are caught passes whether it be in preseason or regular. If hands make receivers than the only receiver on this team is Armstrong because everyone else has been dropping easy catches, especially AJ.

Dubble Trubble
09-19-2005, 05:03 PM
How do you blame a QB for throwing at a recievers eyes.....:brickwall

First thing most quarterbacks (not even just QB's...everyone) learns about throwing a football, is to throw at your intended targets head.


And, someone make me feel better about keeping Bradford and cutting Swinton. Or, is that possible?





:)

Doug
09-19-2005, 05:11 PM
Sorry, NOT POSSIBLE.

Scooter
09-19-2005, 05:30 PM
To add everyone in that scenario isn't right. Billy Miller isn't playing any better in Cleveland (dropped an easy pass against Green Bay that could've ended the game and not given the Pack a chance to stay in it)and Glenn is still a backup in Dallas. Bradford is still a capable receiver and came at a great price. Each position has a different situation. As far as I could tell Mathis wasn't just fast, he has hands as well. Granted it was preseason but caught passes are caught passes whether it be in preseason or regular. If hands make receivers than the only receiver on this team is Armstrong because everyone else has been dropping easy catches, especially AJ.

what he does in cleveland has no bearing on what he did here. he played the receiver that carr needed most because he could catch the laser and was a big target that wasnt trying to run 40 yards downfield. same with glenn despite his interception ... he could cover and forced teams to throw at dunta. now teams know about dunta and would be forced to throw at glenn, not a bad situation to be in. TEAMS win games, and you need players that cover eachothers' weaknesses and magnify their strengths.

Bubbajwp
09-19-2005, 08:24 PM
How do you blame a QB for throwing at a recievers eyes.....:brickwall

First thing most quarterbacks (not even just QB's...everyone) learns about throwing a football, is to throw at your intended targets head.


And, someone make me feel better about keeping Bradford and cutting Swinton. Or, is that possible?





:)
I have the anwser that is going to make you feel better. The Texans keeping bradford is going to give us a much better draft pick.

eriadoc
09-19-2005, 11:01 PM
Carr does lack touch on some of his passes, and that absolutely does not matter in the slightest in regards to the Bradford drop. If you're an NFL WR, you catch that ball, no matter what. The AJ drop in the red zone was unforgiveable too. AJ has dropped far too many passes over the past four weeks. Armstrong and Gaffney, when targeted, make catches. I'd rather see them make boring 1st down catches than watch Bradford and AJ drop passes that could have been great plays.

touttail
09-20-2005, 07:47 AM
You have beat this joke into the ground, and frankly it wasn't very funny to begin with.

Yes Sir Mr. Super Moderator, I wil cease with these tasteless jokes as of right now, Tuesday 9/20/05, 8:45am!

bobby 119C

michaelm
09-20-2005, 01:07 PM
Yes Sir Mr. Super Moderator, I wil cease with these tasteless jokes as of right now, Tuesday 9/20/05, 8:45am!

bobby 119C


"Thank the Lord!" says a non-moderator...
actually, I wouldn't so much call them tasteless... more like stale... but many stale things do, in fact, lack taste...
:thankyou:

touttail
09-20-2005, 01:26 PM
"Thank the Lord!" says a non-moderator...
actually, I wouldn't so much call them tasteless... more like stale... but many stale things do, in fact, lack taste...
:thankyou:

Thank you michaelm. Where's the love man!!!!!!!! LOL


bobby 119C