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Wharton
09-18-2005, 04:55 PM
I'm going to say "sorry for the flame" up front but I didn't see anything on the message board about this and I am sure others would agree with me.

WHEN THE HEAT INDEX IS OVER 90, CLOSE THE ROOF!!!!!!

According to Yahoo weather, the temperature was 93 at 4:30 (after the game) with a high of 95. There is no telling what the heat index was during the game. Particularly, given there is little to no breeze in the stadium.

One of the fans seated two rows in front of me passed out!! During half time, I saw another guy being carted off on a stretcher with an IV in his arm. As for myself, I spent the second half in an air conditioned part of the stadium near the smokers area and watched the second half on the TV. This is not the way I want to spend my games.

Again, I am sorry for the flame, but I do not know of a better way to get this point across to management.

Sign if you agree.

:penguin:

thegr8fan
09-18-2005, 05:01 PM
watched this one from home and it had the field temp at 120 at the start of the game. It was only 108 at halftime.

I am sure that the Texans were hoping that the heat would affect the Steelers moreso than the fans. to bad it seems to have not been a 'good call' on either side of the ball.

mmontgo
09-18-2005, 05:15 PM
Guys: I do not know about you, but everything was great tailgating. In fact one of the best times had bad all.

However, my crew had a very bad feeling walking into the stadium today when we felt that 100 degree temperature. Now, interestingly enough, I had some Steeler fans behind me, who were totally cool, in from Latrobe. They were commenting before the game that they could not believe Capers would leave the roof open to expose his players and his fans to the 100 degree temps. In fact, they all commented that Pittsburg is so humid and hot in August and the players have been playing in extreme heat for over a month and no advantage was to be gained by doing this.

So, how bone-headed was it to take the fans out of the game with play and heat, as seen by the droves of fans that headed for shelter end of the 1st quarter? We left by mid third quarter and I have never left any Texan game early--even the blowouts. The environment was so bad that most of the fans left by begining of the third and this playing was not the only reason. The heat was oppresive!

I think this added to the misery, but it started off on the wrong foot, because the Texans did not gain any advantage. How much of a miscalculation was it? I think it was huge. It did not cost the game, but looking back it sure looked foolish from a strategy standpoint and selfish from a customer service standpoint. But, what about in-game strategy?

FYI: Head Coach makes the call on roof opening.
FYI2: I know someone in Emergency services who said they had 100+ heat related medical calls in the stadium before half time.

JamesLovesGames
09-18-2005, 05:48 PM
Nice game plan. The Steelers were on the shady side of the stadium. I'm sure our guys got great tans though. DOH! :goodnight

Da_General
09-18-2005, 06:00 PM
The Steelers were on the shady side of the stadium.

Not that I necessarily disagree with the thread's point, but I was on the field on the Steelers side, and it was NOT shady. I have the sunburn to prove it!

SheTexan
09-18-2005, 06:00 PM
I left the game about half way into the second quarter when my heart rate went up to 180 and I started throwing irreg beats! So sick I didn't think I could walk back to my car. I am depressed over this!! I want to be there in that stadium screaming for my team, not fighting for my life!! If it was 120 on the field, it had to be 140 in the North end zone! If I'm gonna have to watch the game on TV, I will watch it at home! Besides, the concourses and cantina's were filled with fans staying out of the heat. Fine way to keep fans in their seats!!!! A stupid decision on the part of the Texans!!

OBVIOUSLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! the heat didn't bother the Steelers all that much at all!!!!!!

ComstockLode
09-18-2005, 06:01 PM
Guys: I do not know about you, but everything was great tailgating. In fact one of the best times had bad all.

However, my crew had a very bad feeling walking into the stadium today when we felt that 100 degree temperature. Now, interestingly enough, I had some Steeler fans behind me, who were totally cool, in from Latrobe. They were commenting before the game that they could not believe Capers would leave the roof open to expose his players and his fans to the 100 degree temps. In fact, they all commented that Pittsburg is so humid and hot in August and the players have been playing in extreme heat for over a month and no advantage was to be gained by doing this.

So, how bone-headed was it to take the fans out of the game with play and heat, as seen by the droves of fans that headed for shelter end of the 1st quarter? We left by mid third quarter and I have never left any Texan game early--even the blowouts. The environment was so bad that most of the fans left by begining of the third and this playing was not the only reason. The heat was oppresive!

I think this added to the misery, but it started off on the wrong foot, because the Texans did not gain any advantage. How much of a miscalculation was it? I think it was huge. It did not cost the game, but looking back it sure looked foolish from a strategy standpoint and selfish from a customer service standpoint. But, what about in-game strategy?

FYI: Head Coach makes the call on roof opening.
FYI2: I know someone in Emergency services who said they had 100+ heat related medical calls in the stadium before half time.

THIS WAS RIDICULOUS.

I spend all that money to sit in the seats, and I have to sit through 120 degrees!!! Not even to mention the sloth that was put on the field today.


Terrible, terrible idea leaving the roof open. That is why we have a roof, close it.

ComstockLode
09-18-2005, 06:02 PM
I left the game about half way into the second quarter when my heart rate went up to 180 and I started throwing irreg beats! So sick I didn't think I could walk back to my car. I am depressed over this!! I want to be there in that stadium screaming for my team, not fighting for my life!! If it was 120 on the field, it had to be 140 in the North end zone! If I'm gonna have to watch the game on TV, I will watch it at home! Besides, the concourses and cantina's were filled with fans staying out of the heat. Fine way to keep fans in their seats!!!! A stupid decision on the part of the Texans!!

OBVIOUSLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! the heat didn't bother the Steelers all that much at all!!!!!!

I was with you, the north side of the stadium was ridiculous.

Texans_Chick
09-18-2005, 06:18 PM
I've said in a previous post that I thought we should bake the Steelers and get a real home field advantage by opening the roof.

I was wrong. I wonder if John McClain of the Chronicle who has expressed a similar opinion will admit it too. (He prolly has no idea how bad it was given his spot in the press box). I find him very entertaining, but it is hard to get a home field advantage when a lot of your fans are unable to sit in a packed stadium baking in the sun--it is not a matter of being wusses, it is metric death hot there.

The Bull Pen end of the field is solid but even so, I've never seen it so empty on that side of the field. If they have to get in the shade (or just leave), it is just dangerous.

With the closed in, up and down nature of the stadium, there is no breeze. At all. It was seriously dangerous to be in there.

And it was interesting to see that the September shadows don't help the Texans at all. Never saw those before so I dint know the sun angle. (The sun was on both teams equally, later in the year, it only goes to the visitor's side). I am sure the Texans staff knew that stuff, but I guess they wanted to try to use the weather to help us.

I was seated in the shade and it was hotter than heck. I've been in the sun at Reliant before but I bet this was the worst ever by far for baking.

It is a football game. We want to win. That being said, we shouldn't have to worry about fans getting ill. In the winter you can put more clothes on, but there is only so much you can take off, and it is still hot.

Wharton
09-18-2005, 06:28 PM
Guys: I do not know about you, but everything was great tailgating. In fact one of the best times had bad all. .........

FYI: Head Coach makes the call on roof opening.
FYI2: I know someone in Emergency services who said they had 100+ heat related medical calls in the stadium before half time.

Just so you know, my tailgating group was there bright and early for the opening of the gates. We, also, had a very good time. But, then again, we have four huge tents providing shade and one of the guys brought a misting fan to cool the air (FYI those things really do work!!!).

While I am going to take your word for it, creating an environment were 100+ people have medical treatment because of the heat, sounds more then a little bit irresponsible, and maybe even negligent.

The retractable roof was put in place so that fans can enjoy the game in the open air during times of GOOD Texas weather. I have lived in Texas all my life, and trust me when I say that 90+ degrees, is NOT good Texas weather.

wckal
09-18-2005, 07:16 PM
Today's game showed a clear disrespect for the fans. My parents, in their 70's, forked over a large sum for 6 PSL licenses and season tickets to the Texans' games with the knowledge that a retractable-roof stadium was being built for the team. We assumed that the intent was protection from unpleasant weather, and it doesn't snow here.

My mother and I staked a spot standing 5 feet behind the rail behind our section, waiting for the sun to move. Of course, other fans did not follow this rule, and nothing was done. At one point, we were asked to "walk around the concouse" because we were creating a fire hazard. Thankfully, a kinder Texans employee overruled him. Our view was fair until it was obscured by a group treating a women who became overheated while seated in the sun. Viewing the red-faced, sweltering fans leaving their seats for the concourse area was alarming.

When the shade finally came, we went to our seats. At that point, I became concerned by my father's appearance, and tried to help him out with wet towels, etc. We normally eat lunch at the game, but today no one ate. We were worried about getting sick.

I thought going to a Texans game was supposed to be fun. Now my parents and 12 year-old son don't want to go to any games where the roof might be open.

In conclusion, I am baffled by the notion that the heat gave the Texans home field advantage. The Texans usually practice in a bubble! I'm sure I'm not alone in thinking that the noise factor with the roof closed would've been much more advantageous to the team. But then, the BOOs would have seemed louder, too.

Tayton
09-18-2005, 07:56 PM
I am a paramedic with the City of Houston and went to the game as a spectator. I spent the the entire second quarter and most of the third taking care of elderly people who were getting over heated near the north end zone. The Texans let everyone know that the the roof was going to be open and to stay well hydrated. No problem with the notification. My problem is that there was NO WATER for sale in this area. Several people went up to get Hydrated and were told that there was no water left in the stadium. After helping several people I went to customer service and said we had a problem developing. Absolutely no help. There was no one who took responsibility for getting water or no point person to whom I could talk to regarding the problem. Finally, I contacted the EMS Director for the City of Houston with my personal cell phone, within 15 minutes water brought to the area. The response from Reliant today was absolutely pathetic with ushers asking me what they should do and thanking me for taking control. I usually don't get passionate about responses but their EMS response was scary. Bob McNair definately will hear it from me because we were very close to having a real catastrophe.

mmontgo
09-18-2005, 08:00 PM
TO ALL:

EVERYONE needs to send emails and call to the front office and vote our displeasure. We need to push this forward so it does not happen again. My heart goes out to everyone who has health issues at the game. what a horrible experience. my wife is 6 months pregnant and went through the same thing, luckily there was an attendant that was awesome to us in the face of adversity and found my wife a couple open, shaded seats so we could at least watch part of the game. However, with no air flow, it was still bad in the shade. we could never cool down and we are in shape, healthy adults!

So, we all have to email and call customer service at the Texan org. i am sure they already know, but the only way to impress upon them to not let this happen again, is to call them out. i am shocked, Bob McNair, who runs a fabulous organization, except the coaching staff, would let this happen. I am sure he noticed the droves of fans leaving at halftime and filing out. he had to I am certain.

Shame on Dom for being so short-sided and for his poor decision making skills, because it was his call. bottomline: what a freak for letting this happen.

(the first word that came to mind was the negligence when I heard about the 100+....most were minor, dehydration..etc. I heard however)

non natural texan
09-18-2005, 08:16 PM
I understand everyone's problems with the heat, and I have for the past 3 years, but I have always said it's Texas people, its hot so suck it up. I also think it can be somewhat of a home field advantage and the place seems too sterile when the roof is closed.

I think what we witnessed today was a bad mistake by Mgt in seeing how far they could push the roof open in hot weather issue and they obviously crossed the line. But after today I seriously doubt the roof will ever be open again if the temp is above 80 after the problems I have been hearing and reading about. So lets get the complaining out now, it does serve a purpose, but until it happens again I hope this discussion is closed after a week or so.

However, in October when the temps are pleasant but the sun is on you and you get a little sun burnt, quit crying, it happens at almost every day game in the NFL and college game each weekend. The roof is there to ward off inclimate weather(an argument can easily be made that today was inclimate), but it wouldn't be removable if they wanted the place to be 75 degrees for every game and make you feel like you are in your living room.

booklady
09-18-2005, 08:32 PM
:soapbox: I did not go inside and I can tell you people were leaving the stadium before the second quarter. I saw "fans" who could hardly walk and shaking their heads saying "pathetic". I asked if they meant the game or having the roof opened. They said both! I saw an ambulance with lights going and people trying to get to their vehicles to get the a/c on.
Someone needs to rethink this. My take is either you have a prepared team on task or you don't. Leaving the roof open doesn't mean a thing and that was proven today.

SheTexan
09-18-2005, 08:36 PM
This thread is unbelievable!!! For FOUR years, and all this past week, I have read NOTHING but posts about how the Texans need to keep the roof open!! Emails were even sent to the TEXANS front office to ENCOURAGE them to keep the roof open! Every macho male in a Texans jersey was spouting off about how the heat would WORK TO OUR ADVANTAGE!! HA! Guess who's complaining NOW!!

It was just as hot in year two against the Jags, and last year against the Raiders! Complaints have been sent to the front office for three years! DEMAND a refund!! You won't get it, but, maybe it will get their attention! I intend to complain EVERYDAY for the next two weeks!! I have 5 seats in the Bullpen and they were empty today!! I HATE that!! Not my idea of supporting my team, or the Bullpen! BUT, when the seats are to hot to touch, fans are getting so sick they have to be seen by a medic, and there is NO WATER to buy at $3.50 a bottle, then something is definitely wrong!

I can guarantee you, the week before the Titan game the macho's will be back demanding the roof be left open! Get busy if you don't like it and blast the Texans with complaints! Might work, might not! Next year when they see sales of PSLs in the NEZ dwendling, maybe they will sit up and take notice. Venting on this board will get NOWHERE! Let them know how you really feel.

endzoner
09-18-2005, 08:41 PM
Unfortunately, customer service and fan convenience/comfort will not become a priority until fans quit renewing their season tickets. We're on target for that to be 2006.

WWJD
09-18-2005, 08:42 PM
I don't know if this had anything to do with the heat or it was the poor play of the Texans but when they showed the stands (I think it was mid 4th quarter) some sections were very empty. They were in the sun too. I was thinking people were bailing out early but now I realize it may have been because of the heat.

herblcure
09-18-2005, 08:52 PM
Here is a great idea. Let's open the roof so that we can all sweat our asses off and then let's watch as our home team gets handed the worst beating of the season so far. Is it good when our QB gets more rushing yards than anyone else on the team? Is it good when our receivers attempt to catch a ball but then realize it must be some sort of grenade and drop it? Is it good when the freaking sun is beating down on you and the beer is $7.00 while the water is $3.50. What is the point of season tickets when we are treated like **** and surrounded by more Steelers fans that Texans fans at a home game? In the end, players who drop the ball, freaking fumble the ball, or just can't figure out what the damn ball is should be tossed. I have seen high school teams that can play better. Sheesh, even the great Ray Charles could have seen this slaughter house coming! Here is an idea... Let's leave the roof open so that perhaps we can clear the stands out faster in the next game which helps the parking lot when we are all trying to leave at the end.

StarStruck
09-18-2005, 09:01 PM
When I approached the stadium and saw the roof open, I knew then that I would not even approach 115 Q 6 until I saw shade, guessing that would be about 2:15. I bought my hot dog and water and stood behind the rail at 116 prepared to stand there and root for the Texans. There was an almost empty row in front of me, and near the end of the first quarter, I asked the usher if I could sit there until the ticket holder arrived. So I became a squatter. I guess the tickets belonged to brokers because no one ever showed up and more people standing had an opportunity to sit in the shade.

At half time I walked outside where the smokers gather. Although I don't smoke, I just wanted to get a feel for the attitudes about the temperature. It wasn't good. I saw both men and women clothing so wet that it appeared that they poured water on themselves. Met and talked to several people out there and inside the concourse as my Earl Campbell throwback was quite a conversation starter.

After returning, the seats were still available, so I decided to stay, but planned to go to my paid seat when shaded. However, that never happened. Perhaps I could have headed that way about 3:00, but why bother because by then I could have picked any seat in the stadium.

Hopefully it will be cooler by the Titans game, however I will be in Dallas. But, this experience shouldl be fair warning to management that they were fortunate if no one experienced a heat stroke or worse. The decision to leave the roof open today was the most inconsiderate and worst thoughout plan that management ever made. Last year was bad enough to help me make the decision that I made today, and I believe today was the worst in Texan history.

I am not happy to sit in seats that have been paid by others, and felt uncomfortable even though the ticket holders didn't show up. I will go to future games in comfortable clothing and shoes with the understanding that it could be a game that I will be standing up in the food court area if necessary. I might end up tired, but I won't be putting myself in any serious medical situations.

After the game, I drove over to Hank's Ice Cream and enjoyed a nice ice cream cone, where I met other Texan and Steeler fans. THE END

TEXANS84
09-18-2005, 09:10 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v629/TEXANS84/P1000312.jpg

I had to take a picture of the glaring sun that was above the Bullpen.

It was hot. And I take back what I said last week. I was one that wanted the roof open, but just like SheTexan, my pulse skyrocketed in the first half. It was just that hot.

My eyes are sunburned, and I never knew that could happen. My hands started to tingle and swell halfway through the first quarter. It was crazy.

gwallaia
09-18-2005, 09:26 PM
I sit in the shade every game in 552 and it was even hot there today. This was clearly the highest the temp has ever been for a Texan game. If they are going to leave the roof open on hot days the following steps should be taken by the Texans.

1. Plenty of water should be made available and for Christ's sake, don't cheat the fans by charging $3.50 for it.
2. A cool mist spray machine or something along those lines should be installed to keep people cooler. Imagine being sprayed with a nice cool mist as you sit in your seat.
3. Extra EMS personel should be available, fans who have to take charge of the situation should be given free game tickets.

*While there are hundreds of stadiums without roofs that get blistered by the sun, Reliant Stadium has absolutely no air flow quadrupling the effects of the heat. 130 degrees in the Bull Pen is enough to do some damage.

NAT5
09-18-2005, 09:37 PM
OBVIOUSLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! the heat didn't bother the Steelers all that much at all!!!!!![/QUOTE]

Not to mention they were in their black jerseys.

WWJD
09-18-2005, 09:41 PM
I kind of laughed when I read the Texans plan was to make it so uncomfortable for the Steelers by leaving the roof open.....it's hot for the Texans players also!

Maybe I'm slow but isn't the purpose of a retractable roof to make it as comfortable for the fans as possible? To provide an air conditioned environment for them and escape the heat?

If that's so and they don't provide for the comfort on hot days like today they might have saved millions by just leaving the "retractable roof" off stadium plans.

StarStruck
09-18-2005, 09:54 PM
I don't get the logic. The Texans are on the field, too. Certainly a white jersey can't make that much of a difference. What are the plans when the Colts and Jags come to town, close the roof and turn the thermostate up to 100?

Texans_Chick
09-18-2005, 10:02 PM
I just wanted to add to this thread that generally speaking, in my experience, I find that the Texans customer service folks tend to be a very responsive group of people. Some people complain that they are too responsive.

You can write with your displeasure, but I suspect that Mr. McNair already knows. He got an eyeful of the remarkably empty seats on the north side of the stadium from his comfort controlled box.

Personally, I believe this roof open in extremely hot weather experiment will go the way of that fight song we had for one game in year 2.

They are still trying to figure out the stadium. Audio noise levels etc. And of course roof open or closed. They catch heck with that decision all the time and they are still trying to get a feel for it.

RoleModel
09-18-2005, 10:13 PM
I don't get the logic. The Texans are on the field, too. Certainly a white jersey can't make that much of a difference.I was listening to the radio this morning, and a former player on there said it made a big difference. It must, as all but one outdoor home team wore white today.

JustBonee
09-18-2005, 10:24 PM
If they are still experimenting with the roof issue after all this time and don't realize the serious health problems and discomfort caused, (maybe they do now) they need more than the coach giving the final say on open or closed!
When they saw what was happening in the stands by half time ... couldn't they have closed the roof then?
... why the slow/non-response?
:hmmm: ... Seems like I've heard that somewhere else this past week.

MarleyFan
09-19-2005, 01:32 AM
I feel for you guys, I couldn't handle the heat last year at the Raider game. I had to actually drink water instead of beer the entire first half!

mmontgo
09-19-2005, 06:47 AM
roof open is cool when the temps are in the 80s.

temp at game time was 91
temp at half time in the stadium was 96
temp on field at half time was 117
the "felt like" temp in the stadium was 104


I am totally in for roof being opened on clear days, but last year it was closed when temps were below 90. this was a pure play by Coach Capers. it shows you how disconnected he is. The Steelers played a game recently in PA where the game temp was 90. there is no advantage. I knew this before the game. BONEHEADED move Dom.

send your complaints to Bob McNair. close this thread.

touttail
09-19-2005, 08:01 AM
The bottled water they were selling was hot. You had to buy a cup of ice so total cost was $7.00. I even bought a bottle of water and a cup of ice for a policeman in the corner of the stadium in front of 119. He stood there the whole game. I felt so sorry for him. He was very appreciative for the water and ice.

I have been to the home games since the start and this was by far the hottest and most miserable.

You could not sit back in your seat, it would burn and blister your back!

We had to wait in the concourse for 15 minutes, to cool off before walking out to the parking lot.

Bobby 119C

Vinny
09-19-2005, 08:07 AM
send your complaints to Bob McNair. close this thread.Why would I close this thread? I sent it to the proper people yesterday. If you want to be heard they are reading you now.

lakeworthy82
09-19-2005, 09:25 AM
My husband and I are PSL owners, season ticket holders since day one!!!!! We have been proud of our stadium and proud to have a football team back in Houston!!!!!!!

But I don’t EVEN want to talk about football right now!!!!

I want to talk about WHY IN THE WORLD!!! Would you subject your loyal fans to the brutality of the Houston Weather!!!! The roof being open on Sunday was your most ridiculous decision ever!!!! It endangered your fans! The brutal heat and humidity had people around us falling out. We LEFT in the first quarter!!!!!! I’ve NEVER left before a game was over in the past!!!!

Certainly our “ROOF” is not for keeping out SNOW!!!!!!!!! It’s for keeping out the horrible heat and humidity of Houston!!!!!!!!!!! IF NOT – WHY GO TO THE EXPENSE OF PUTTING A ROOF ON!!!!!!

The weather forecast was for record highs for this time of the year!!! Did no one think to look at the weather forecast???????????

I can put up with ****** coaching and ****** playing – BUT NOT UTILIZING OUR STADIUM’S BEST ASSETS!!!!!!!!!!!!

IF YOU CAN’T FIELD A WINNING FOOTBALL TEAM AND PROVIDE US WITH EXCITING FOOTBALL

PLEASE, PLEASE

AT LEAST MAKE US COMFORTABLE AND GIVE US SOME REASON FOR CONTINUING TO BUY THESE SEASON TICKETS AND SHOWING UP FOR EVERY HOME GAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

swisher
09-19-2005, 09:30 AM
Would you like some cheese with that whine?

You could always stay at home where you have a roof and give someone else your tickets. :ok:

wckal
09-19-2005, 09:45 AM
when you spend a small fortune on PSLs for the privilege of buying season tickets for a team that plays in a stadium with a RETRACTABLE ROOF. It was more than implied up front that the roof was to be used when weather conditions were uncomfortable.

They announced early in the week that the roof was to remain open. The weather forecast was for unseasonably hot temperatures all week. There was plenty of time to buy enough water for the fans, yet they ran out. They never even sold it in the stands, where it was needed the most!

I'm sure Mr. McNair will rectify this. I just don't want this horrible experiment to be forgotten anytime soon.

touttail
09-19-2005, 10:12 AM
Would you like some cheese with that whine? :ok:

$1800.00 for PSL's
$1300+ for season tickets---every year
$300.00 parking for red lot---every year

You bet your sweet butt it's whinning and the right to do so! If you don't ever show displeasure, then how in the hell will they know you are not happy.

bobby 119C

nflnutswife
09-19-2005, 10:15 AM
Don't even need to go into length here. . .

I agree with all here too, (except you Swisher) Total lack of any respect for the fans and our players!

Pam

SheTexan
09-19-2005, 10:59 AM
Thanks Vinny!! You know how I feel. I have been complaining for four years now! BTW: This game was no hotter than the Raider game last year, or the Jags game the year before. Regardless of the temp, if fans are so hot they need medical attention, then something is wrong with the plan.

The fans were ineffective yesterday! Remember last year when we caused so many penalities because of the noise? We will never know now if we could have rattled Burgerboy or not! We never got the chance! We will never know if fan support would have ignited a fire under a very obviously flickering flame in our Texans! We will never know if WE THE FANS could have made a difference in yesterdays game! We might still have lost, after all we played against one of the elite teams in the NFL, but, we might have seen a more exciting game, one that was worth the money we paid to see. My five seats in the Bullpen sat empty! That is very sad to me! Thank goodness I had the good sense to go home rather than end up sick, like I did last year and the year before. Someone needs to wake up and realize that WE THE FANS are an important part of the success of this team!

bawlmer-hon
09-19-2005, 11:27 AM
:crying: Is it just me or does anyone else out there think the roof should have been closed yesterday? I am a PSL holder and a Texans supporter. I believe everyone associated with the team and the stadium normally work hard to provide an enjoyable visit for all the fans, but not yesterday. Yesterday someone failed miserably in providing a safe, comfortable environment in which to enjoy the game. Leaving the roof open in the oppressive heat was an insult to all the fans that spend a considerable amount of money to attend these games. I wonder if a single person involved in the decision to leave the roof open watched the game in a section that was baking in the sun (I sit in section 322)? I’ve heard the argument that the heat would offer a home-field advantage, but I do not have to state the obvious that no advantage was evident. Of course another home-field advantage is to have thousands of fans screaming for the home-team. That advantage was lost yesterday when folks left early in droves to get out of the heat. I personally held out until early in the 4th quarter before leaving, but now deeply regret staying that long as both my wife and I are now dealing with uncomfortable sunburn today. Reliant stadium was not designed as an open-air stadium. The configuration does to allow for air to circulate well, so no respite is offered from the often-oppressive heat that Houston is prone to. Our next home game is October 9th and I hope it is much cooler, but it could very well be in the 90s and if it is, I hope they will have the roof closed. I already sent an email to ‘fanfeedback@houstontexans.com’ and would encourage all other ticket holders equally outraged to do the same.

Huge
09-19-2005, 11:50 AM
This had come up last year or the year before after a really hot game. The points I made back then were something like this (keep in mind, I've never been inside Reliant and have only driven by it).

1. Do you really get the feeling you're "outdoors" when the roof is open? I think there's a big difference between a convertible and a car with a sun roof. Reliant has a sunroof. It is not a convertible.

2. With the dimensions of Reliant, I can't see how much of a breeze could come in from the top much less make its way down to the field when the roof is open.

3. Do higher temperatures have as much effect on the opposing team as a closed roof with a raucus fan base generating much more noise because the roof is closed and the sound carries better?

I'm sure the fans that have attended more games than I have (1 would be more games) would know better but that's just how I see it.

If it's raining - close the roof.
If it's above 80 - close the roof (I'm spoiled :) ).
If it's snowing - close the roof.

Sco-tai
09-19-2005, 12:09 PM
I'm gonna step on some toes by saying this...but I was embarrased to be a TEXAN FAN yesterday. And NOT because of the team. The FANS sound like a bunch of babies. It's too hot...it's too hot, close the roof. And all of the EMPTY ROWS OF SEATS all surrounding me...UNTIL the shade made it to our section. My friend came to his 1st Texan game yesterday (just moved here from Wisconsin) and he couldn't get over the crowds reaction. He's a season ticket holder for the PACKERS and he said he has NEVER seen their fans complain like that for any reason...even when the team was HORRIBLE. This coming from a football fan who sits in BELOW ZERO weather with snow & sleet pelting him the entire time. THIS IS FOOTBALL PEOPLE. NOT BOWLING. If you want air conditioning and "perfect conditions" then maybe you need to get Rockets tickets. You all sound like a bunch of spoiled babies.

A MIST MACHINE...?! Give me a break. Want someone to come rub your feet, too?

Look...it's called "be prepared". I didn't bring my 2 year old nephew because babies/toddlers can't tolerate weather extremes like an adult can. And if you are afraid of passing out from being dehydrated, drink some Pedialyte or pickle juice before the game. You WILL NOT be dehydrated.

And I notice many of those whinning about the roof are the same people who call for Dom Caper's head. I think some people are just looking for reasons to complain.

Bob McNair has an excellent organization with an excellent stadium. He worked dilligently to help us beat LA for the franchise. And all you people can do is find reasons to complain. This is the same attitude that facilitated the OILERS leaving (besides Bud being an *****).

In the words of my friend from Wisconsin "You guys should just be grateful you have a team". :brickwall

I'm out like Chris Palmer's NFL coaching career.

BattleRedGuy
09-19-2005, 12:15 PM
You can count me in amongst those that had a problem yesterday. The team lost a lot of the good will built up over the past three seasons. Not only with the roof open with a 100 degree plus heat index, but the team performance. I love to have the roof open as much as possible but yesterday was an exception.

How many people know that to be truly hydrated, you need to start 2-3 days ahead of time? You don't just guzzle two glasses of water before the game and your magically hydrated.

If you knew the roof was open, why not provide more water at the concessions.

I would also like to know how often the team has been practicing outdoors vs. the bubble.

Sorry for being a bit off the cuff. I'm just terribly disappointed with the whole thing Sunday.

Youngstown Colt
09-19-2005, 12:17 PM
I'm gonna step on some toes by saying this...but I was embarrased to be a TEXAN FAN yesterday. And NOT because of the team. The FANS sound like a bunch of babies. It's too hot...it's too hot, close the roof. Have you even read the comments? People were in need of medical attention. So maybe it's a little more serious than your willing to give credit for.

Huge
09-19-2005, 12:19 PM
I too prefer to watch the games outdoors regardless of the elements. And if the Texans had built a true open air stadium, I doubt you'd see as much complaining. But Reliant is not an open air stadium when the roof is open.

A big part of the reason McNair has a team is the support he gets from those well over 30 years of age and might have a problem or two healthwise because of the excessive heat. So do you think it would benefit him and his organization to pay attention to what they have to say?

Dropping down that much money to attend a football game only to be concerned about your healt simply because they won't close the roof is absurd. Anything else is unacceptable.

Yankee_In_TX
09-19-2005, 12:21 PM
Have you even read the comments? People were in need of medical attention. So maybe it's a little more serious than your willing to give credit for.

Despite my hydration, youth, and decent physical shape, I had a few scares where I had to sit down (a few times when I was yelling hard [not for a win, but some some glimmer of hope for the rest of the season]). I got really dizzy and came close to passing out.

We took frequent shade breaks, and bought several waters (no beer, a first for me!).

We decided it was doable (part of the Bullpen). But, if the heat has that affect on healthy 20 somethings, what about the children and the older crowd?!?!

We have a closable roof, use it.

touttail
09-19-2005, 12:32 PM
BTW: This game was no hotter than the Raider game last year, or the Jags game the year before.

I don't know SheTexan, It was the lack of air movement(flags on goals post not moving), or the humidity. I was not as hot at either of those games as I was Sunday.

bobby 119C :brickwall

bawlmer-hon
09-19-2005, 12:32 PM
Reliant Stadium was not built as an open-air stadium. It is absolutely ludicrous to have fans sit for 3 hours in direct sunlight and 100 degree temperature when there is an option to block out the sun by closing the roof. The person that says he is embarrassed by the whining was probably sitting in the shade or maybe not even at the game. If that person was at the game in the direct sun (for the entire game), than he is much better than I to deal with those conditions. The players are better prepared and better protected from the sun and the heat (and of course better paid). Had the stadium been designed as an open-air stadium, the conditions would not have been nearly as brutal, plus there would be no options, so nothing to wonder about. I spent 3+ hours in direct sunlight yesterday and sweated off all my sun-block, so now I have sun-burnt skin to deal with. I can deal with a lot when it is necessary, but it makes no sense to put up with extreme conditions when there is a simple alternative.

Double Barrel
09-19-2005, 12:34 PM
I'm gonna step on some toes by saying this...but I was embarrased to be a TEXAN FAN yesterday. And NOT because of the team. The FANS sound like a bunch of babies. It's too hot...it's too hot, close the roof. And all of the EMPTY ROWS OF SEATS all surrounding me...UNTIL the shade made it to our section. My friend came to his 1st Texan game yesterday (just moved here from Wisconsin) and he couldn't get over the crowds reaction. He's a season ticket holder for the PACKERS and he said he has NEVER seen their fans complain like that for any reason...even when the team was HORRIBLE. This coming from a football fan who sits in BELOW ZERO weather with snow & sleet pelting him the entire time. THIS IS FOOTBALL PEOPLE. NOT BOWLING. If you want air conditioning and "perfect conditions" then maybe you need to get Rockets tickets. You all sound like a bunch of spoiled babies.

While I agree with the attitude behind your post (and the fact that you folks do realize that all Green Bay, Cleveland, Pittsburgh, Philadephia, Cincinatti, New England, New York, and Buffalo fans reading this thread now think we're a bunch of wimps, especially when they play outdoors regardless of weather conditions. idonno: )...[disclaimer: I mean absolutely no disrespect, and I feel for those with medical conditions.]

You have to remember that Houston is a different type of sports fan. We built the first dome stadium because of mosquitoes....and maybe the humidity...but I've always heard mosquitoes-reasoning ever since I was a kid.

So northern fans are more hardcore, for the most part, than Houston fans (we are much more fickle and sensitive to losing, too).

Ah well.

I understand that's just the way it is down here, so I sincerely hope the Texans front office takes notice and keeps the roof closed at 80 degrees+ days and puts the thermostat on 72 inside the stadium.

That, and spray for those pesky mosquitoes! :cool:

touttail
09-19-2005, 12:58 PM
I'm gonna step on some toes by saying this...but I was embarrased to be a TEXAN FAN yesterday. And NOT because of the team. The FANS sound like a bunch of babies. It's too hot...it's too hot, close the roof. And all of the EMPTY ROWS OF SEATS all surrounding me...UNTIL the shade made it to our section. My friend came to his 1st Texan game yesterday (just moved here from Wisconsin) and he couldn't get over the crowds reaction. He's a season ticket holder for the PACKERS and he said he has NEVER seen their fans complain like that for any reason...even when the team was HORRIBLE. This coming from a football fan who sits in BELOW ZERO weather with snow & sleet pelting him the entire time. THIS IS FOOTBALL PEOPLE. NOT BOWLING. If you want air conditioning and "perfect conditions" then maybe you need to get Rockets tickets. You all sound like a bunch of spoiled babies.

.


I can understand what you are saying about other fans. If we had a total open air stadium, then we would have a choice but to suck it up. That's not the case, we have an option of an open or closed stadium. It's not fun when you can't even sit back in you seat for burning and blistering your back, when this could have been avoided.

bobby 119C

StarStruck
09-19-2005, 01:14 PM
Personally, I don't give a "care" about what the people up North think. I do care about LMBH's health, and sitting in a situation that has the potential to be deadly, (you do know that people in Texas die yearly from heat related illnesses) has no value in proving what kind of fan a person is.

So far, I haven't been in any type of cold weather that I have not been able to dress for the occasion and weather the storm. In cold weather, you can prepare, in rain, you can get drenched and still have a great time, but heat, you can die even if you have stripped down as far as you can without being charged with public lewdness.

I can take a certain amount of discomfort, which is why I was prepared to stand up in the food court area the entire game if necessary.

BTW, IMO, yesterday's temperature was worse than the two previous years. Even though it was miserable then, it was unbelievable on yesterday the number of people whose clothing looked as though they had just taken a dip in a swimming pool, and the looks on some of the faces that indicated they had some health issues.

gwallaia
09-19-2005, 01:38 PM
I'm gonna step on some toes by saying this...but I was embarrased to be a TEXAN FAN yesterday. And NOT because of the team. The FANS sound like a bunch of babies. It's too hot...it's too hot, close the roof. And all of the EMPTY ROWS OF SEATS all surrounding me...UNTIL the shade made it to our section. My friend came to his 1st Texan game yesterday (just moved here from Wisconsin) and he couldn't get over the crowds reaction. He's a season ticket holder for the PACKERS and he said he has NEVER seen their fans complain like that for any reason...even when the team was HORRIBLE. This coming from a football fan who sits in BELOW ZERO weather with snow & sleet pelting him the entire time.

The thermomter reaches 130 degrees in the Bull Pen. I've been in below zero conditions and I think 130 degrees is worse.

TexansFan99
09-19-2005, 01:45 PM
The thermomter reaches 130 degrees in the Bull Pen. I've been in below zero conditions and I think 130 degrees is worse.
I agree. Being from NY, I have attended NY Giants games in cold, snowy, windy conditions. But, the heat yesterday at the Texans game was alot worst.

TexansFight
09-19-2005, 02:07 PM
I agree. It was hot. I think the roof should have been closed.

Our seats were in the direct sun for all of the first quarter and half of the second. It was miserable. However, once we were under the shade, it really wasn't so bad. That being said, I know a considerable number of seats were in direct sunlight throughout the game and I imagine that it was nearly unbearable. I don't know if I could have stayed for the entire game if we hadn't gotten shade during Q2.

bawlmer-hon
09-19-2005, 02:12 PM
Could not agree more. My seats were in the sun for entire game. Roof should have been closed... no ifs, ands, or buts. That is why the stadium has a roof.

Speedy
09-19-2005, 02:42 PM
I don't know why we are still having roof discussions every week here. You don't ever hear about the roof at Minute Maid Park any more. When it's hot or raining, roof closed. When the weather's nice roof open. END OF STORY!!
I do not understand why the Texans have not been able to grasp this concept going into their 4th year.

I was also one who was in the sun the entire game. Usually I'm yelling, screaming and cheering throughout the game. But the Texans took me out of the game with the stupid decision to leave the roof open. Constantly wiping sweat out my eyes and off my face, burning my back every time I sat back in my seat, don't dare touch anything around you or you'll get burned, sunburn, all of it was absolutely ridiculous. With the sun taking the Texan fans out of the game, it may as well have been a Steeler HOME game.

Now, I'm not one to whine about it. No, I DON'T like the heat. And if they never close the roof, I'll still be there trying to cheer while wiping sweat. The problem is, other than the health issues, you're taking Texan fans out of their seats. Less fans in the seats is less of a home field advantage, IMO.

So let's review.

HOT AND RAIN = ROOF CLOSED
EVERYTHING ELSE = ROOF OPEN

Pretty simple. The Astros get it.

Bear
09-19-2005, 02:46 PM
My seats are on the home side and I was burnt by the start of the 2nd. We were all soaking in our own sweat from head to toe. For the 1st time ever, I didn't want a beer at the game; only wanted/needed water.

I have no problem with the roof open after daylight savings time (Oct 30)! By kickoff, everyone on the home side is chillin' in the shade :cool:

codymeredith
09-19-2005, 04:59 PM
I’m sure everyone can agree that it was definitely a very hot day at the game.

The Texans made a poor decision they felt would give them home field advantage. Would this topic be as big if we would have won? What if it had been obvious that the Steelers were worn down from the heat?

All of you are acting like they realized how dangerous it was for all the fans during the game but still decided to do nothing about it. Once the decision about whether or not the roof is going to be open has been made the only way that can be changed is by the officiating crew on the field. At kickoff the decision about what happens with the roof is completely out of the Texans hands.

skibumtx
09-19-2005, 05:09 PM
So far, I haven't been in any type of cold weather that I have not been able to dress for the occasion and weather the storm. In cold weather, you can prepare, in rain, you can get drenched and still have a great time, but heat, you can die even if you have stripped down as far as you can without being charged with public lewdness.

I can take a certain amount of discomfort, which is why I was prepared to stand up in the food court area the entire game if necessary.

Excellent point. I'm from Minnesota and with today's clothing there is no reason to be cold. If you're willing to cover up and be smart you can weather unbelievably low temperatures but the human body can only tolerate so much heat.

I had it easy, I was in the club section on the SW side and could even feel air being moved by the A/C blowing down on us. It was real warm but certainly not unbearable. Sitting in the direct sun, with no moving air would have been unacceptable.............

Ski

texansfan88
09-19-2005, 05:23 PM
for all the complainers in the house

why don't any of yall just call capers and complain on sportsradio610 to him?

you guys are out of your mind if you don't think the Texans customer service department do a great job

NAT5
09-19-2005, 05:44 PM
I too was miserable. I left in Q2 in search of shaded seats.

It was a good thing they handed out towels before the game so everyone could use them to wipe their sweat instead of for waving.

bawlmer-hon
09-19-2005, 05:45 PM
I’m sure everyone can agree that it was definitely a very hot day at the game.

The Texans made a poor decision they felt would give them home field advantage. Would this topic be as big if we would have won? What if it had been obvious that the Steelers were worn down from the heat?

Of course it would be virtually impossible to determine if Steelers were being worn down by the heat, but had the Texans won, I still would have complained about sitting in the broiling sun for 3 hours when there was an alternative. I think 70,000 screaming fans would have been at least as much of a home-field advantage as trying to make them suffer through heat (which our team had to contend with as well). I've read some posts that seem to suggest folks are being wimps, for complaining about the heat, but I have to wonder how many of those folks had seats directly in the sun for the entire game (and stayed in those seats for the entire game). I’m a transplant from Milwaukee and then Baltimore and have been to football games in open-air stadiums in sub-freezing temperatures and anyone who has been to those type games and a situation like yesterday will say bring on the cold. Nothing that a down coat and some frantic yelling cannot combat, but what can you do when the sun is beating you down? You can abandon your seats, but what’s the point in that. By the way, I called 832-667-2002 and pressed option for PSL representative and lodged a formal complaint. Hopefully if enough folks do the same, us fans will never be faced with such conditions again.

Wharton
09-19-2005, 06:54 PM
The Texans made a poor decision they felt would give them home field advantage. Would this topic be as big if we would have won? What if it had been obvious that the Steelers were worn down from the heat?

I think we can all agree here that a fans health is more important then a win! Is wearing down the Steelers worth the possibility of a heat related stroke or heart attack to one of the fans?

I started this string without making any comments about game strategy because, quite frankly, this isn't a game strategy, its a health issue.

HomeBred_Texan
09-19-2005, 07:01 PM
THIS WAS RIDICULOUS.

I spend all that money to sit in the seats, and I have to sit through 120 degrees!!! Not even to mention the sloth that was put on the field today.


Terrible, terrible idea leaving the roof open. That is why we have a roof, close it.
I have season tickets in the South end zone, aka, the shady end. Let me tell ya, it was hot there too. I cannot even imagine what it was like in the empty seats that were in the sun. I would have left too. If that is the head coaches idea or choice, then no wonder we are losing all our games. Stupid move on whom ever's idea that was. Must have made the decision while sitting in an A/C'd office.....

Cindy
09-19-2005, 07:06 PM
I think the Texans made a huge mistake yesterday, and undid much of the goodwill they've built up over the first three years of the franchise. It's a shame, because I think the organization has done so much that's right and fan-friendly prior to this year.

We received the e-mail last week with the news that the roof would be open, but I really thought that with the forecast for record-breaking heat, the Texans would change their decision. When I saw the roof open, I knew it would be a miserable and dangerous situation.

At the very least, they were ill-prepared to help fans cope with the conditions. How can you run out of water (or sell HOT bottles of water) when you know the temperature in the sun in the seating areas is in excess of 100 degrees? :crying:

I am not a fan of indoor football, but I thought the roof should have been closed yesterday. Between the temperature and the team playing like they think it's 2002, it was a lousy day. We got shade at half time, so it became tolerable for the second half, but I actually had to go up to the concourse to cool off a couple times during the first half. The field-level concourse looked like Denver airport in a snowstorm, with people sitting everywhere and watching the game on TV. If people wanted to watch the game on TV, they wouldn't spend money on season tickets. The sad part is, it was totally unnecessary. :brickwall

Reliant Stadium wasn't designed to have any air movement when the temperatures are that high. I was in College Station for the A&M game on Saturday, and was in the sun for about the same length of time as I was yesterday. Even though it was brutally hot Saturday, there is no comparison to the temperature in Reliant yesterday. On Saturday I was able to cope by staying well hydrated. Yesterday I had to seek shade.

Rant/whine over!

Huge
09-19-2005, 07:21 PM
Why would I close this thread? I sent it to the proper people yesterday. If you want to be heard they are reading you now.
Vinny,

If it's possible, could the people you sent this to reply with some information as to what possible changes might be made?

Thanks.

Vinny
09-19-2005, 07:48 PM
Sure, If they don't address this situation in the next few days I will ask them if their policy is in review and I will relay anything I hear from them.

swisher
09-19-2005, 10:14 PM
Ok, after reading all of the posts I take back what I said about cheese and whine...I wasn't there so I should just keep my mouth shut. :texflag:

HomeBred_Texan
09-19-2005, 10:29 PM
for all the complainers in the house

why don't any of yall just call capers and complain on sportsradio610 to him?

you guys are out of your mind if you don't think the Texans customer service department do a great job
That's easy to say coming from a 17 year old who was sitting at his Daddy's home in the air conditioning drinking Kool-aid. Get in the heat with us at the game and see if your comments dont change.... Until then, shut up...

WWJD
09-19-2005, 10:31 PM
The afternoon guys on 610 were talking about this. Rich said they set off some fireworks or something and the smoke just settled in the stadium. Marc said there is no breeze or air circulation in the stadium which makes it different from other "hot weather" stadiums.

It sounds dangerous when people are passing out.

ComstockLode
09-19-2005, 10:40 PM
I'm gonna step on some toes by saying this...but I was embarrased to be a TEXAN FAN yesterday. And NOT because of the team. The FANS sound like a bunch of babies. It's too hot...it's too hot, close the roof. And all of the EMPTY ROWS OF SEATS all surrounding me...UNTIL the shade made it to our section. My friend came to his 1st Texan game yesterday (just moved here from Wisconsin) and he couldn't get over the crowds reaction. He's a season ticket holder for the PACKERS and he said he has NEVER seen their fans complain like that for any reason...even when the team was HORRIBLE. This coming from a football fan who sits in BELOW ZERO weather with snow & sleet pelting him the entire time. THIS IS FOOTBALL PEOPLE. NOT BOWLING. If you want air conditioning and "perfect conditions" then maybe you need to get Rockets tickets. You all sound like a bunch of spoiled babies.

A MIST MACHINE...?! Give me a break. Want someone to come rub your feet, too?

Look...it's called "be prepared". I didn't bring my 2 year old nephew because babies/toddlers can't tolerate weather extremes like an adult can. And if you are afraid of passing out from being dehydrated, drink some Pedialyte or pickle juice before the game. You WILL NOT be dehydrated.

And I notice many of those whinning about the roof are the same people who call for Dom Caper's head. I think some people are just looking for reasons to complain.

Bob McNair has an excellent organization with an excellent stadium. He worked dilligently to help us beat LA for the franchise. And all you people can do is find reasons to complain. This is the same attitude that facilitated the OILERS leaving (besides Bud being an *****).

In the words of my friend from Wisconsin "You guys should just be grateful you have a team". :brickwall

I'm out like Chris Palmer's NFL coaching career.

Just maybe, being a packer fan is alot easier than being a texas football fan. I doubt our fans would be as fickle if we won as many super bowls as they had.

Another quick question, how many football players die a year because they practice in the cold? Now compare that to football players dieing in the heat. It was dangerous for players to even be playing in an oven like last night.

It was an oven. The sun baked down on the fans, and we had no breeze or even water to buy. It cost 7 dollars to get a hot water and a cup of ice.

The stadium actually stunk whenever I made it into the concourse at halftime. My shorts were even soaked with sweat, and I am 20 years old and in good shape. I can only imagine the fans who dress up.

I have never ever been in the bullpen when it was so quiet. It was dead. Everyone left. No one could take it. There were more empty seats in the second quarter, then their were filled seats.

It would be one thing if we had an open stadium where hot air could escape, and a breeze could make it through. But we have a tiny hole in the roof compared to most open stadiums.

Sat through the whole game however, and I burned nicely. It looks like I still have a shirt on when I take it off. :yahoo:

Either way, this does not need to happen again.

This isnt lambeau, this was a new field built for comfort. If not someone could have saved a couple 100 mill for the price of having a retractable roof.

aj.
09-20-2005, 06:06 AM
"We receive complaints when the roof is open, and we also receive complaints when the roof is closed," said Tony Wyllie, the Texans vice president of communications. "Moving forward, we will consider the fans' comfort when deciding whether the roof will be open or closed."

Under review (http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/printstory.mpl/sports/3360948)

touttail
09-20-2005, 08:16 AM
I spent 3+ hours in direct sunlight yesterday and sweated off all my sun-block, so now I have sun-burnt skin to deal with. .


Academy sells a sun screen called "Smart Shield". It was designed for fishermen. I use it all the time when fishing and it never "sweats off", stays the entire day. Good stuff, try it.

bobby 119C

bawlmer-hon
09-20-2005, 09:03 AM
"We receive complaints when the roof is open, and we also receive complaints when the roof is closed," said Tony Wyllie, the Texans vice president of communications. "Moving forward, we will consider the fans' comfort when deciding whether the roof will be open or closed."

I would venture to guess complaints about roof being closed are not nearly as numerous or vehement as roof being open under a broiling sun. I would further speculate no one ever passed out because the roof was closed. Perhaps for some perspective Mr. Wyllie should sit in a seat getting direct sunlight in Reliant stadium for about 3 ˝ hours any day the temperature exceeds 95 degrees. Then perhaps he could assist the organization with making an informed and intelligent decision.

ComstockLode
09-20-2005, 10:53 AM
I would venture to guess complaints about roof being closed are not nearly as numerous or vehement as roof being open under a broiling sun. I would further speculate no one ever passed out because the roof was closed. Perhaps for some perspective Mr. Wyllie should sit in a seat getting direct sunlight in Reliant stadium for about 3 ˝ hours any day the temperature exceeds 95 degrees. Then perhaps he could assist the organization with making an informed and intelligent decision.

They are too busy drinking champagne and sitting in an air conditioned luxury box to give a flying ****

Bre4301
09-20-2005, 11:11 AM
I'm going to say "sorry for the flame" up front but I didn't see anything on the message board about this and I am sure others would agree with me.

WHEN THE HEAT INDEX IS OVER 90, CLOSE THE ROOF!!!!!!

According to Yahoo weather, the temperature was 93 at 4:30 (after the game) with a high of 95. There is no telling what the heat index was during the game. Particularly, given there is little to no breeze in the stadium.

One of the fans seated two rows in front of me passed out!! During half time, I saw another guy being carted off on a stretcher with an IV in his arm. As for myself, I spent the second half in an air conditioned part of the stadium near the smokers area and watched the second half on the TV. This is not the way I want to spend my games.

Again, I am sorry for the flame, but I do not know of a better way to get this point across to management.

Sign if you agree.

:penguin:
I agree, the value of the seat and ability to support the team are injured. To assume that in this era that the heat has significantly greater impact on the visiting team is not accurate. If the heat index is above 80, keep it closed. If you look at he stands on any game with the roof open, those seats in the sun are empty. Wake-up, or we all will lose.

HoustonHarley
09-20-2005, 12:00 PM
I honestly do not know how I didn't pass out! I had to work all night long the night before and had not had even a wink of sleep. I was a walking zombie, arriving to the stadium. Thank god I am in the South Endzone or I would have just went home. Even in the shade it was miserable. I can't imagine how it was in the bullpen. I guess that is another reason it was empty just before halftime.

Wharton
09-20-2005, 01:08 PM
Here is a quote from an article on the Houston Chronicle's web site.

"We receive complaints when the roof is open, and we also receive complaints when the roof is closed," said Tony Wyllie, the Texans vice president of communications. "Moving forward, we will consider the fans' comfort when deciding whether the roof will be open or closed."

Personally, I thought the article by the Chronicle and the comments by the Texans Tony Wyllie were both pretty lame! Here are a few questions that should have been answered in the article

So what is a comfortable temperature, 70, 80, 90, or 100?
Who makes that decision, Capers, Casserly, Tony Wyllie?
I saw one person get carted out on a stretcher, were there more? How many?
What did the Health Department have to say about it?
What did the EMS Director have to say about it?

I just love it when bureaucrats get specific and journalist let them off the hook.

Well, thanks for the article, but next time, put a little heart into it or at least come sit with me in the bleachers and feel the heat baby! :deadhorse

Here is the address of the article:
http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/sports/3360948

HomeBred_Texan
09-20-2005, 03:22 PM
Here is a quote from an article on the Houston Chronicle's web site.

"We receive complaints when the roof is open, and we also receive complaints when the roof is closed," said Tony Wyllie, the Texans vice president of communications. "Moving forward, we will consider the fans' comfort when deciding whether the roof will be open or closed."


I would say the complaints on the roof being closed are due to all the smoke lingering around after they shoot off the fireworks. Hey I got a solution for that. Stop setting off fireworks. We don't need them nor an announcer yelling, "it's another Texans" wanting us to yell "First Down". After the 2nd time he did that, it was old. Hopefully we dont have to yell that all 6 times a game....

WWJD
09-20-2005, 03:28 PM
This is really a no-brainer issue to me.

Use some common sense Texans. When it's very hot you don't take chances with the health and safety of your customers.

You built a roof that affords comfort to people in inclement weather. So close it when the weather is boiling hot or raining. PERIOD.

Personally for me if a team is thinking they are going to gain some kind of advantage over the visiting team because their jersey's may be a little warmer you have issues right from the start. Just play ball, take care of your customers that pay big bucks to come watch you and you will make everybody happy!

Bre4301
09-20-2005, 04:07 PM
Great idea, I called and registered a compliant. If you were uncomfortable call.

TxDavid
09-20-2005, 05:55 PM
I'm up in 546 (the shaded side) and I was fine up there. I did venture down in mid third quarter to visit some friends and stayed awhile since there were tons of empty seats due to the heat - unbeknownst to me because I was up in A/C land.. I stayed in the BullPen for the entire 4th quarter.

By the time I left the stadium I started to suffer from heat exhaustion. I drank 3 bottles of water when I got back to the tailgate and stoped to eat on the way home. AND THIS WAS ONLY ONE QUARTER OF SUN/HEAT EXPOSURE!!!!

The reason for the retractable roof was for the fans - not for the team. It's our stadium - we paid for it. Close the roof when it's dangerously hot! Use some sense!

Speedy
09-20-2005, 08:27 PM
"We receive complaints when the roof is open, and we also receive complaints when the roof is closed," said Tony Wyllie, the Texans vice president of communications. "Moving forward, we will consider the fans' comfort when deciding whether the roof will be open or closed."As I mentioned before, when then Enron Field opened in 2000, there was a lot of talk about the roof, the same as we have here. The Astros have simply decided, when it's hot or it's raining, the roof is closed. When the weather is nice, roof open. Sure, the complaints continued for awhile, but now you never hear anyone talking about the roof at MMP.

The Texans just need to do this as well. They'll get complaints for awhile from those "football was meant to be outdoors" people, but it will go away if you stick with it.

HOT OR RAIN = ROOF CLOSED
EVERYTHING ELSE = ROOF OPEN

TxDavid
09-20-2005, 08:58 PM
HOT OR RAIN = ROOF CLOSED
EVERYTHING ELSE = ROOF OPEN[/B]

So we can leave it open when it snows? Excellent! :tomato:

HomeBred_Texan
09-20-2005, 09:26 PM
So we can leave it open when it snows? Excellent! :tomato:
LOL, and we all know how often it snows here. But yes, if it snows on game day, leave the dang roof open. The flakes coming from the sky will be more entertaining....

Bob_A
09-20-2005, 09:52 PM
Hey, it snowed last Christmas Eve and we play this Christmas Eve Day. You never know!! :texans:

LBC_Justin
09-20-2005, 11:59 PM
I've said in a previous post that I thought we should bake the Steelers and get a real home field advantage by opening the roof.

I was wrong. I wonder if John McClain of the Chronicle who has expressed a similar opinion will admit it too. (He prolly has no idea how bad it was given his spot in the press box). I find him very entertaining, but it is hard to get a home field advantage when a lot of your fans are unable to sit in a packed stadium baking in the sun--it is not a matter of being wusses, it is metric death hot there.

The Bull Pen end of the field is solid but even so, I've never seen it so empty on that side of the field. If they have to get in the shade (or just leave), it is just dangerous.

With the closed in, up and down nature of the stadium, there is no breeze. At all. It was seriously dangerous to be in there.

And it was interesting to see that the September shadows don't help the Texans at all. Never saw those before so I dint know the sun angle. (The sun was on both teams equally, later in the year, it only goes to the visitor's side). I am sure the Texans staff knew that stuff, but I guess they wanted to try to use the weather to help us.

I was seated in the shade and it was hotter than heck. I've been in the sun at Reliant before but I bet this was the worst ever by far for baking.

It is a football game. We want to win. That being said, we shouldn't have to worry about fans getting ill. In the winter you can put more clothes on, but there is only so much you can take off, and it is still hot.
I agree with you. I was all for leaving the roof open w/ the steelers being in black and Texans in white. I thought it was a good idea in theory. I guess it didn't work in reality. It sounds way way too hot.

I would rather have the fans into the game, than the heat.

Hard for me to relate, I haven't been in the Texas summer heat for 3 years, it is sunny and 70 degrees every day where I live, when it gets into the 80's I think it is too hot now (Sad i know).

Joe Texan
09-25-2005, 02:31 PM
The reason for the retractable roof was for the fans - not for the team


The reason for a roof at all is because the HLSR Demanded it or they would find a different place to put the rodeo and thier money, ( which is gold in Houston)

Historyhorn
09-27-2005, 03:29 PM
I too heard that the reason for the roof is the rodeo. The roof does give you the opportunity for the best of both worlds. Quasi-outdoor football when the weather is nice and protection from dangerous elements when it is not.

As to the whole advantage thing....If you have a better team, you can usually outplay and wear the opposition down regardless of what jersey they wear and where they come from geographically. The thing that makes the home-field advatage is the noise and energy from the fans in addition to not having the travel hassels.

I'm in the corner of leaving the roof closed if the weather is not pleasant. Open it up if it is nice outside.

Go Texans

JustBonee
09-27-2005, 05:14 PM
I too heard that the reason for the roof is the rodeo.

The Houston Rodeo is the main tenant of the stadium, and built for them and their needs..
the Texans are secondary. That is why you aren't looking at a 'football' stadium at Reliant.

Double Barrel
09-27-2005, 05:35 PM
The Houston Rodeo is the main tenant of the stadium, and built for them and their needs..
the Texans are secondary. That is why you aren't looking at a 'football' stadium at Reliant.

hmmmmm, I've always been under the impression that engineers built the stadium to maximize enjoyment of both football and rodeo events. Even in all the media hoopla, it was advertised as such...being a "state-of-the-art" football stadium complex and all. Is all that only marketing?

What would be the difference of a "pure" football stadium and Reliant? Outside of the retractable roof part of the deal, it seems to me that the seating is excellent for football. It's even advertised as having the closest spectator-to-action ratio of any of the current stadiums.

I'm not disputing what you're saying, as I have no doubt that the rodeo is the biggest tenant, just judging by events alone (like three weeks of rodeo vs. 10 Texans football games).

I'm just curious what details we are missing out on that other "pure" football stadiums enjoy (other than any kind of natural wind draft ;) ).

JustBonee
09-27-2005, 05:58 PM
My guess is no better than yours as to what would be if we had a FOOTBALL ONLY stadium in Houston, but to listen to everyone and their thoughts on the 'hole in the roof' .. seems like many would like this:

http://www.stadiumsofnfl.com/afc/giantsjetsmain.jpg

But the new and future stadiums around the league seem to have their sights on looking more like Reliant, with the similar retractable roof..
and they don't have rodeos to dictate the design. :)

http://www.stadiumsofnfl.com/future/cardsmain.jpg

http://www.stadiumsofnfl.com/future/coltsmain.jpg

infantrycak
10-09-2005, 08:34 PM
Well I hope everyone that whined about the Pittsburgh game is happy. We are now an indoor stadium team...to the extent you call what they field a team. If we had won against Pittsburgh y'all all would have been so proud of contributing to homefield advantage. Instead, we can't enjoy beautiful fall days, flyovers or anything prior to the "team" taking the field because of some folks who just figured out they live in Texas. Thanks.

Hervoyel
10-09-2005, 09:08 PM
Well I hope everyone that whined about the Pittsburgh game is happy. We are now an indoor stadium team...to the extent you call what they field a team. If we had won against Pittsburgh y'all all would have been so proud of contributing to homefield advantage. Instead, we can't enjoy beautiful fall days, flyovers or anything prior to the "team" taking the field because of some folks who just figured out they live in Texas. Thanks.

I think the real sad part about this is that not only are the Texans clueless where football matters are concerned but they're also incapable of telling the difference between the weather today (great time to open the roof) and the weather during the Pittsburgh game (How do you like your fans? Medium Rare sound good?)

Double Barrel
10-09-2005, 09:56 PM
Well, I guess the bright side of it is that our crowd noise can be a homefield advantage (and it's louder with the roof closed)...of course, Texans have to give us something to cheer about first...

But today would have been perfect for an open roof. Too bad. :cool:

lucky13
10-10-2005, 12:21 AM
I don't get the logic. The Texans are on the field, too. Certainly a white jersey can't make that much of a difference. What are the plans when the Colts and Jags come to town, close the roof and turn the thermostate up to 100?

the "logic" was mcnair pockets the $ from not turrning on the AC.

beerlover
10-10-2005, 04:11 AM
when it rains it pours the Texans cannot even get the roof opened or closed right :brickwall

Vinny
10-10-2005, 05:07 AM
I think the real sad part about this is that not only are the Texans clueless where football matters are concerned but they're also incapable of telling the difference between the weather today (great time to open the roof) and the weather during the Pittsburgh game (How do you like your fans? Medium Rare sound good?)They should have shut the roof for Pittsburg....all week we knew it was going to be hot as heck and even the coaches were talking about it (why this was in the hands of Capers to start with was ridiculous). Closing the roof Sunday was sheer overreaction from the Texans since it was a beautiful day. We can't trust them to make good decisions in year four for some reason. It's just amazing.

Wharton
10-10-2005, 06:40 AM
Well I hope everyone that whined about the Pittsburgh game is happy.

I know I'm happy! In this instance, if a mistake is going to be made, I would rather error on the side of caution. I would rather miss a beautiful day under a roof then jeopardize someone’s health. Having people carted out on a stretcher is not a good thing.

Having said that, I would have preferred to have the roof open yesterday as well.

nflnutswife
10-10-2005, 07:13 AM
[QUOTE=infantrycak]Well I hope everyone that whined about the Pittsburgh game is happy. We are now an indoor stadium team...



Didn't all PSL owners get a letter stating they were sorry about the Pittsburg game and in the future The roof will be closed for ALL home games?
Not that I agree, (I don't) But it's gonna be hard to satisfy most people now!
JMO

TexansFan99
10-10-2005, 07:21 AM
I dug up the letter we got. It said "Specifically, when the game day forecast calls for sunny skies and temperatures in the mid-80s or higher, the roof will likely be closed for the game".

The actual temperature yesterday was in the low-80s. But, I don't want to nitpick the Texans about the roof...they have other problems....

Wharton
10-10-2005, 09:21 AM
[QUOTE=infantrycak]Didn't all PSL owners get a letter stating they were sorry about the Pittsburg game and in the future The roof will be closed for ALL home games?
Not that I agree, (I don't) But it's gonna be hard to satisfy most people now!
JMO


I didn't get one, and I have a PSL in section 119.

TexansFan99
10-10-2005, 09:22 AM
It was an email we got from the Texans a few days after the Steelers game.

hotlava646
10-10-2005, 05:22 PM
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hotlava646
10-10-2005, 05:36 PM
Why in the world on the most beautiful day did they have the roof closed?
I had heard threw the grapefine that some "fans" complained about the Steelers game that it was too hot!!!
Now I was out there and it was hot, but are they going to keep it closed all the time now? Are the fans wimps and can't take 70 degree weather with blue skies. Why in heck did they get a retractable roof when everyone "fans" whine about the heat.
I heard this through a FOX or ESPN friend that they may make a small story how the Texans are not only winless, but whiney! That is a quote!!!
I can understand a day like the Steelers because it was brutal!
Don't get me wrong I have Texans jerseys, signed footballs and even the license plate, but when they close the roof on a near perfect day!!!!
The funny thing is I am near the BULLPEN and all ther games there is cussing around kids, but no one complains about that, but OH my gosh it is 70 degrees and I will melt!

Thank You!

Texans_Chick
10-10-2005, 06:26 PM
Here is the entire email that was sent to the PSL owners:

Re: An Important Announcement Regarding Reliant Stadium Roof Policy

We have received a considerable amount of input regarding the game experience this last Sunday. As you probably know, our organization has earned a reputation for being responsive to fan input and in the past three days we have fielded numerous concerns from our fans regarding the roof position (open or closed) on hot and sunny days.

As an organization we apologize for any inconvenience that you were caused by the roof being open this past weekend. We also want you to know that we have completed an exhaustive evaluation of this situation and we have carefully evaluated the feedback we have received from fans like you. Based on this analysis, we have decided to make the comfort of our fans our primary consideration when making the roof position decision for future games. Our fans are an important part of the Houston Texans family and we want each visit that you make to Reliant Stadium to be as enjoyable as possible.

This new approach means that you can expect the roof to be closed more often in the early months of the season, but we will still attempt to open the roof on certain game days if the climate seems appropriate for an open air environment. Specifically, when the game day forecast calls for sunny skies and temperatures in the mid-80s or higher, the roof will likely be closed for the game. Clearly, given our need to satisfy the contrasting desires of 70,000 of the greatest fans in the world, we will not get it right every time for everyone. However, your input has helped us to better understand the impact of the roof position on the overall game experience and we will work hard to use this knowledge to create an even better game environment for our fans for the remainder of the 2005 season and many great seasons to come.

Thank you for your support and, Go Texans!





So there you have it. It was pretty nice before the game on Sunday for tailgating, but I will say it was pretty toasty without a cloud in the sky by the game's end outside. It just felt good in comparison to 100 degree temps for all of September.

Bull Pen 1
10-10-2005, 07:28 PM
I could care less if the roof was ever opened. When it's open, it's not that there is a breeze, or as someone said watch a fly by. Even when there is a fly by, if you don't excatly know when it's coming you miss it anyway. The only reason I go to the Texans games is to watch the game, not gaze up at the sky. When the roof is open I watch the game and when the shade is going to get to my seats.

I'm more interested in what the Texans are going to do about our record of 0 - 4.

Of course my opinion only. I only know I had a headache for two days after the Pitts game.

TxDavid
10-10-2005, 08:07 PM
I had a feeling that the roof was going to be closed for Sunday's game no matter what the temp was. I like the new policy where they are taking the temperature into account. As for the announcers - I couldn't give a rat's ***** what they say - last year they couldn't get the names of teams right. Besides it's easy to say someone is whining about they heat when you're sitting in A/C comfort. Kinda like when Dick Clark comes out of his heated trailer right before the broadcast on Times Square and says "We're freezing out here" like he was out in it the whole time.....