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PapaL
09-13-2005, 06:53 PM
Havent see this posted yet:

SI (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/writers/jeffri_chadiha/09/13/carr/index.html)

I give David Carr credit. The Houston Texans quarterback didn't hide his feelings. He didn't act like it was only one game. He stood before a crowd of reporters Sunday afternoon, with his shoulders slumped and his eyes scanning the tattered carpet in an interview room at Ralph Wilson Stadium, and then admitted his pain in the wake of Houston's 22-7 loss to Buffalo. The word he kept using to describe his day: "Helpless."

For those who think Carr shouldn't be taking a humbling, season-opening defeat so hard, trust me, you are wrong. He should be disturbed by what happened, as should the rest of the Texans organization. This is the season they had been pointing to. This is the year when both the team and its fourth-year quarterback are supposed to make a major leap in their development. This was the game when they expected to show everybody how much they had grown. Instead, all we know is that they're still a long way from where they want to be.

nunusguy
09-13-2005, 07:08 PM
Havent see this posted yet:

SI (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/writers/jeffri_chadiha/09/13/carr/index.html)
I give David Carr credit. The Houston Texans quarterback didn't hide his feelings. He didn't act like it was only one game. He stood before a crowd of reporters Sunday afternoon, with his shoulders slumped and his eyes scanning the tattered carpet in an interview room at Ralph Wilson Stadium, and then admitted his pain in the wake of Houston's 22-7 loss to Buffalo. The word he kept using to describe his day: "Helpless."

For those who think Carr shouldn't be taking a humbling, season-opening defeat so hard, trust me, you are wrong. He should be disturbed by what happened, as should the rest of the Texans organization. This is the season they had been pointing to. This is the year when both the team and its fourth-year quarterback are supposed to make a major leap in their development. This was the game when they expected to show everybody how much they had grown. Instead, all we know is that they're still a long way from where they want to be.


Good article, though very much a rehash of what most of already know. Body
language says alot, and DCs demeanor left no doubt he was a whipped guy.
Whether its his fault or not the way things are going for him now, Carr may get to the place where there's more than the heat and humidity that he doesn't like about his experience here. People get burnt out all the time and
need a change and Carr is a wealthy young man who may feel at some point
he might want to ply his trade elsewhere. Others may also be willing to
help him move along.

Diehardtexan
09-13-2005, 07:15 PM
Those looks he had I 've seen them only on the likes of Akili Smith and David Klingler. He needs to hold his head up and say I played bad today but it will be a different game next week. I can't stand A player that Looks like he is about to cry. Lick your wounds and get up and get ready to fight a new fight. :brickwall

Reddevil63
09-13-2005, 07:33 PM
Those looks he had I 've seen them only on the likes of Akili Smith and David Klingler. He needs to hold his head up and say I played bad today but it will be a different game next week. I can't stand A player that Looks like he is about to cry. Lick your wounds and get up and get ready to fight a new fight. :brickwall
Let me throw 300 lbs defensive lineman at you 143 times in 3 years and tell me if you wont look a little discouraged when you realize there is no end in sight.

the wonger need food
09-13-2005, 07:42 PM
This coaching staff has ruined a potentially good QB.

On one hand, I feel sorry for the guy.

On the other, he gets paid millions of dollars to perform, no matter what the conditions.

Wolf
09-13-2005, 07:46 PM
Personally I think timing is everything..

1st season 1st round Carr.
2nd season best player we could have drafted.. AJ
3rd season best player Dante
4th season well TJ is still questionable.

but out of the 4 seasons and where we drafted.. there wasn't an OL that was worth the status of basically where we drafted.
McKinney?
Last season most of the linemen weren't worth the pick we had.

Next season I hear there are some linemen coming in the draft.
and if people talk about Bass and company .. look at the depth chart on the other teams that drafted them.

Marcus
09-13-2005, 07:48 PM
I'll just repeat what I said on another thread.

I listen a lot to NFL Sirius Radio . . and Pat Kirwin put it in far better words than I ever could. He said that the Houston Texans are well on their way to turning David Carr . . into another Tim Couch.

And Ill add -

It won't be long before the fans at Reliant Stadium will treat him like Tim Couch, too.

RTP2110
09-13-2005, 08:24 PM
Personally I think timing is everything..

1st season 1st round Carr.
2nd season best player we could have drafted.. AJ
3rd season best player Dante
4th season well TJ is still questionable.

but out of the 4 seasons and where we drafted.. there wasn't an OL that was worth the status of basically where we drafted.
McKinney?
Last season most of the linemen weren't worth the pick we had.

Next season I hear there are some linemen coming in the draft.
and if people talk about Bass and company .. look at the depth chart on the other teams that drafted them.

I don't think that's an excuse. The Texasn weren't locked into thier positions, the could have made a trade to get a good lineman. They traded down for TJ this year, and last year they jumped through hoops to trade up for Babin. If the Texans wanted to draft a lineman, they coulda drafted a lineman.

Wolf
09-13-2005, 08:38 PM
I don't think that's an excuse. The Texasn weren't locked into thier positions, the could have made a trade to get a good lineman. They traded down for TJ this year, and last year they jumped through hoops to trade up for Babin. If the Texans wanted to draft a lineman, they coulda drafted a lineman.
honestly. I am trying to think who would have made an impact?
most of the tackles that were last year would be RT's now. we have Wade.
Centers.. I can't think of anyone that has made an impact also (bass is 2nd or 3rd string right now for the 49ers.)
Guards.. I admit I can't think of any.

Honoring Earl 34
09-13-2005, 08:42 PM
:eek: I think I would FIRE capers before I'd give up on Carr . I would turn the offense over to Palmer and see what he does . If we still suck after week 5 fire him to. We will find the weekest link .

CC has either over estimated talent or he's got some bad coaches . On the Lines alone he brought in .

Robaire Smith
Travis Johnson (draft)
Wade
Wiegert
Mckinney
Pitts ( 20 mil )
Walker & Payne (not cheap )

Either we missed judged 8 lineman or we're not on the same page . I get the feeling we could screw up an O-line of Munoz , Hannah, Webster, Allen and Pace . That has really hurt Carr . He should at least be as good as Trent Green .

Hervoyel
09-13-2005, 08:55 PM
You forgot the legendary Ryan Young and our other "bookend" tackle of the future Tony Boselli.

Honoring Earl 34
09-13-2005, 09:08 PM
:brickwall I was thinking of guys who actually stuck . We could add Wand , Weary , Brown , Riley and Washington to the list .

rafterticket
09-13-2005, 09:20 PM
I don't think that's an excuse. The Texasn weren't locked into thier positions, the could have made a trade to get a good lineman. They traded down for TJ this year, and last year they jumped through hoops to trade up for Babin. If the Texans wanted to draft a lineman, they coulda drafted a lineman.

That's something that really bothers me. Everybody knows they went after Boselli in the first year (you know your Texans history, too), and I thought, "Hey, smart. They're building a wall for their franchise QB. The mark of a smart franchise."

They've done nothing since they lost Boselli, outside of Wade. I know other people on this board had questions about Carr from day one (fine, fair), but the front office and the coaching staff owe(d) him a chance.

David Carr has done a fine job with what he had to work with. But MAN, I want him to come back this Sunday with that same fire and ability to take his shots and get back up and do his best. I also hope everyone else comes out to play like they are playing for their football lives. I say this because we were promised a lot of things during the offseason. I'm holding them to it.

If we are seeing the downfall of DC, and I hate it if it's true, I will never say I think it ain't 'cause HE never tried. A desk jockey like me sure knows I could never stand the kind of beating he's taken for three seasons.

Anyway, best to them. Please.

CajunTexan
09-13-2005, 09:38 PM
To liken David Carr to Akili Smith, David Klingler and Tim Couch is totally ridiculous!!! Smith had not a brain in his head, Klingler was small potatoes and Couch had the arm strength of an eel!!!

Were have you been for 4 years!!!! How many times has Carr put on that "brave front" and said exactly those words..."I stunk, we stunk, but there is always next week." And never once has David Carr pointed a finger at anyone, as much as they have deserved it, other than himself. The point is, he, nor we didn't think they would ever stink again, like they did Sunday at least!!!

This guy has his shortcomings but he has way more upside than down and he has they faith and fortitude to rise again!!!

Memo to Capers, only one of the 5 sacks was the O-lines fault!!!! Come on... open your eyes, dude!!!!!
:texans: :texflag:

RTP2110
09-13-2005, 11:39 PM
honestly. I am trying to think who would have made an impact?
most of the tackles that were last year would be RT's now. we have Wade.
Centers.. I can't think of anyone that has made an impact also (bass is 2nd or 3rd string right now for the 49ers.)
Guards.. I admit I can't think of any.

Yea, I can't think of too many either, but I do remember seeing Shawn Andrews starting for the Eagles last night.

HoustonFan
09-14-2005, 12:20 AM
Keep your head up DC!!!!!

outofhnd
09-14-2005, 02:12 AM
I think its Palmer's fault for swtching to a zone block scheme. We have massive big O line man who are not the mobile nimble lineman that a zone scheme requires. We need to get out of this and go back to blocking assignments. Give these lineman a target make one guy responsible for Carr getting sacked rather than 5 guys not picking up one defensive player. Right now Carr is looking 85% at AJ 10% at bradford and 5% at everyone else. The faact Carr is not goin through his read progressions tells me he is looking over his shoulder.

To the person comparing carr to akili, couch, and klingler. None of those players even lasted 4 years as a starter! None of them set a new NFL record in sacks allowed in a season their rookie year. We havent drafted O line because we needed to anchor down some other positions. O lineman are one commodity in the draft that can come out of absolutely nowhere and still be great. We have just had bad luck in the ones we have tried to develop. Wand I think would do better in a non zone blocking environment. Riley was a desperation pickup who really isnt much better than wand in this scheme.

We have a possibility of 13 LT available in the draft this year atleast 3 with Higher grades than Barron. Im kinda wanting the LT from Virginia. He looks fabulous for the texans first round pick in '05

Ihategeeks
09-14-2005, 02:31 AM
The faact Carr is not goin through his read progressions tells me he is looking over his shoulder.

Ok, I know that by being a Lions fan, the only response I'll likely get is "Joey Bla bla bla"

But the biggest problem with Carr over the years, is that he telegraphs his passes, locks on his #1, and holds the ball way too long when he gets the chance. (Vinny said the same thing , and you gave him hell)

*hides under a desk*

outofhnd
09-14-2005, 02:54 AM
yea Our formations are very vanilla no real ripples. We need to have more reciever personnel changes. not the tight end swap we had last year, but more 3 and 4 rec sets. lots of different looks.

Also take bradford out of the #2 position. put someone who will work to get open, not just try and outrun the defender. also on naked bootlegs have the tightend on that side roll with him like Michigan would do.

from now on when we are inside the 2 lets not scramble lets just pound it with DD. i think he wouldve gotten in.

beerlover
09-14-2005, 05:07 AM
Carr does not stand a chance in this offense Casserly, Cappers & Palmer have built. he does not have the tools, the Texans fail to control the line of scrimmage (the defensive line is looking better) Murphy is gonna be a good TE as he learns the tricks of the NFL when to block and when to release, other than Wells our backs are smallish and have a hard time defending against tackles (is this by design) & with Mathis hurt I'm extremely dissapointed with the receivers, Armstrong has dissapeared, Gaffney is a bust and Bradford only has good wheels he does not have good hands. so just what is Carr suppose to do? his game planning is called for him in an offense that makes little to no sense, he has 3 seconds or less to find someone to throw the ball to before he is pulverized, his only real target is tripple teamed, I mean c'mon the only time the Texans move the ball consistantly is when he scrambles up the middle for critical 1st downs and questionable touchdowns. too easy to blame Carr it is :bomb:

PapaL
09-14-2005, 08:03 AM
I think its Palmer's fault for swtching to a zone block scheme. We have massive big O line man who are not the mobile nimble lineman that a zone scheme requires.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, isnt zone blocking just for run plays? Pass protection has not changed?

BringItOn
09-14-2005, 12:14 PM
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, isnt zone blocking just for run plays? Pass protection has not changed?

You're absolutely right. Theoretically, zone blocking shouldn't affect the pass blocking.

it's clear that we either don't have the talent on the line, don't have the coaching or a bit of both.

Joe Texan
09-14-2005, 01:45 PM
Carr lost one of his main targets at tight end to let a tight end have a place on the injured list, That is Capers fault and there is no excuse. Billy could catch a cold in 105 degree heat, He didn't block that well but David and DD don't run that well when we cannot throw. Our tight ends are Blocking bodies and useless in the Pass. Tom Brady can beat you with his tight ends only.
The problem is we have an offense that is geared for passing but we have a coach that wants to run the ball, we are all mixed up and the players are confused cause the play book is the worst in the NFL. David Carr is a scared puppy and needs some rest to heal after 1 game. Bret Farve plays at his age with out the pain killers. I believe it is a coaching problem and it showed at the post game press conference when Capers says he is not worried. I am not worried either, I am MAD as HELL, Come on Dom where is your anger at such a pitiful excuse of a football game. Bill Parcells would have punched a camera man or reporter. When the players see it doesn't bother you it doesn't bother them either. Well It bothers Joe Texan alot and I want something done about it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!

Ranting done

Lets Beat Pittsburgh

infantrycak
09-14-2005, 01:55 PM
Carr lost one of his main targets at tight end to let a tight end have a place on the injured list,

Having Joppru on the PUP or IR lists has not lost anyone there spot on the 53 man roster.

PapaL
09-14-2005, 03:37 PM
Bret Farve plays at his age with out the pain killers.

Favre also DID use painkillers when he was Carr's age thanks to.....bad o-line, poor blocking, etc... Wonder if thats why he had his little problem pain killers way back when?

Double Barrel
09-14-2005, 03:41 PM
Honestly, I'm up in the air about Carr. Part of me sees the same things that were problems that were scouted in college (ie. locking on to #1 receiver, holding onto the ball too long)...

But then the other part of me realizes that any young QB put into his position - starter on a new franchise - would suffer the same fate and develop the same happy feet tendencies.

I honestly don't know right now...I've seen moments of potential and brilliance, so I still have a lot of hope for our QB. But I'm wondering if he's burned out and/or lacking faith in the system, coaches, and/or ability of the rest of the offense to protect him.

His eyes looked...different than in past press conferences. Almost like he's tired of being tired of it all.

But hopefully we'll see fire in those same eyes this Sunday. And that same fire should be in the rest of the team, too.

SESupergenius
09-14-2005, 03:48 PM
So are we to think that offensive line is fine, it's just that Carr is not that good. So Riley was the answer to our problems and now we have a solid line?

I think I am going to be sick.

Vinny
09-14-2005, 03:50 PM
After breaking down every single snap of the game I came to the conclusion that the line played pretty well. Dom Davis, Matt Murphy, Jon Wells and Noran Morris are horrible pass blockers though. They missed the blitz several times and the line gave Carr as much time as I saw in most NFL games this weekend. If you take out the emotion and roll each play and look at it honestly you can see where the breakdowns occur. I felt much better about the team the line and much worse about Carr and the above mentioned cast afterwards.

Corrosion
09-14-2005, 03:53 PM
So are we to think that offensive line is fine, it's just that Carr is not that good. So Riley was the answer to our problems and now we have a solid line?

I think I am going to be sick.


This line still is HIGHLY Questionable at best ....In fact I would say they are near or at the bottom in both run and pass blocking ..... and their stats Vs. the Bills would substantiate that statement ..... add to that 140 sacks in the past 3 seasons .... CASE CLOSED :goodnight

Marcus
09-14-2005, 04:26 PM
So are we to think that offensive line is fine, it's just that Carr is not that good. So Riley was the answer to our problems and now we have a solid line?

I think I am going to be sick.

Well, if different people are going back and taking another look at the tape, and seeing that the average time to throw is on par with the other teams . . .

. . . then maybe the problem is not the offensive line.

I'm ready to switch to another quarterback. (And I've been a Carr defender since Day ONE, so don't even think about it. :challenge)

SESupergenius
09-14-2005, 04:49 PM
After breaking down every single snap of the game I came to the conclusion that the line played pretty well. Dom Davis, Matt Murphy, Jon Wells and Noran Morris are horrible pass blockers though. They missed the blitz several times and the line gave Carr as much time as I saw in most NFL games this weekend. If you take out the emotion and roll each play and look at it honestly you can see where the breakdowns occur. I felt much better about the team the line and much worse about Carr and the above mentioned cast afterwards.There is not doubt that Carr had a bad game, but at the same time there is no way that all this is on him. I saw your analysis and breakdown and on several of your comments on Carr you were reaching. Intentional or not that is the way it came across. Sure Carr made some bonehead plays, but you are acting like that line was solid all game and it clearly was not. And in essence you are saying that the line is fine and that it is all Carr. So Riley was the key to our cog and the line of Riley, Pitts, McKinney, Wade, and Weigert is going to take us to the promised land if we have a good QB? What about the running aspect of our game, was this DD fault along with the TE's and FB's?

HJam72
09-14-2005, 04:49 PM
After breaking down every single snap of the game I came to the conclusion that the line played pretty well. Dom Davis, Matt Murphy, Jon Wells and Noran Morris are horrible pass blockers though. They missed the blitz several times and the line gave Carr as much time as I saw in most NFL games this weekend. If you take out the emotion and roll each play and look at it honestly you can see where the breakdowns occur. I felt much better about the team the line and much worse about Carr and the above mentioned cast afterwards.

People, you should pay attention to this post. People (plural) are rewatching the game and finding this out, and that includes me. It wasn't the O-line. They weren't great or anything, but they were much better than we've been giving them credit for. Carr wasn't protected well, but it wasn't the O-line's fault and he does have happy feet, not that I can really blame him. Bradford is NOT a #2 receiver.

Most of the sacks came from one of the following examples:

1) We use a slot receiver instead of TE. Corner covering the slot blitzes. Neither DD or Norris blocks him. SACK

2) Matt Murphy at TE. LB runs through Murphy, around Norris, and right over DD. SACK. 3 blockers and nobody successfull.

3) 4 OL have all DL blocked and there is a 5th O-linemen left. He gangs up on the closest DL, unnecessarilly. A DELAYED LB blitzer comes through the middle unseen.

4) Carr feels a little pressure and should step up into the pocket. Instead, he rolls out and suddenly there is a race to get to him. The O-linemen are the slowest runners on the field. They cannot get there and protect him before the corners and LB get there to kill him. He should stop running away from his protection.

I do not remember seeing a DL het a sack, although I didn't tape the 1st half. It was not the O-line that blew it. Bradford never gets open, our O-linemen are the only ones who DID pass block, and Carr is running when it's not necessary.

Runner
09-14-2005, 04:52 PM
It wasn't the O-line. They weren't great or anything, but they were much better than we've been giving them credit for.

They were also judged too harshly last year. They may not have been great, but they were servicable.

tsip
09-14-2005, 04:57 PM
...don't you know Capers loves everybody blaming our horrible passing
game on everyone but him---Capers missed his calling as he should be
a used car salesman--and for those who think Capers will effectively
change anything, well...have a nice day :pigfly:

Corrosion
09-14-2005, 05:12 PM
I may be in the minority here .... but Im not ready for a QB controversy YET . First of all this offensive system is totally flawed if the personel is taken into consideration .

Second Carr has ONE , count them ONE NFL calibur reciever to throw to and he's usually double or triple covered .

Third ... who's job is it to PICK UP THE BLITZ ? Sure as he** isnt Carr's ....This has been a problem since day one and yet everyone says Carr has "Happy Feet" ....I think its safe to say if you got saked 140+ times in the past three years and knocked on your CAN an un-real amount of times that arent recorded ... You would have happy feet too .

Before you throw the cat out for peeing on the carpet .... you better make sure it wasnt the dog .

So you say you watched the game again and DD , Wells and Murphy missed picking up the blitz ? ..... How are you blaming Carr for their failure ? (See Above)

Bottom Line is that Carr doesnt get enough time ... be it a tackle blowing an assignment or the TE or RB missing a blitzing LB .

The only thing I think Carr is guilty of is trying to do too much sometimes .... instead of just throwing it away he throws into coverage .... Sure , He locks onto AJ .... but take a look at Gaffeny in the last game and you'll see why he does that and checks down to DD.

Dont throw out the Cat .... It was the DOG ! :tomato:

NFLforher
09-14-2005, 05:25 PM
4) Carr feels a little pressure and should step up into the pocket. Instead, he rolls out and suddenly there is a race to get to him. The O-linemen are the slowest runners on the field. They cannot get there and protect him before the corners and LB get there to kill him. He should stop running away from his protection.





Running away from what protection? When you have been sacked as many times as he has that should clue everybody in to the fact that he has little or no "protection."

infantrycak
09-14-2005, 05:25 PM
After breaking down every single snap of the game I came to the conclusion that the line played pretty well. Dom Davis, Matt Murphy, Jon Wells and Noran Morris are horrible pass blockers though. They missed the blitz several times and the line gave Carr as much time as I saw in most NFL games this weekend. If you take out the emotion and roll each play and look at it honestly you can see where the breakdowns occur. I felt much better about the team the line and much worse about Carr and the above mentioned cast afterwards.

Wow, fun to watch which way the wind blows. (Not refering to you Vinny but to what people are taking your opinion and running with). There is a whole lot of room between the QB isn't the problem at all and the OL isn't a problem at all, but it seems like everyone wants to view this as a light-switch analysis.

Having looked back at the game also, it is clear the sacks were not primarily the responsibility of the OL. That doesn't equate to good or even average coverage. There were some plays where Carr had "average" NFL time to throw. There were also a ton of plays where there were hurries which were allowed by the OL. Not only were hurries allowed, but it matters where they come from. Carr isn't the best at sliding sideways or up into a pocket, but both of those presume some sort of pocket where the center isn't collapsed. Sure he has that sometimes and doesn't take full advantage of it, but at the same time he doesn't have it enough. Bottom line IMO, the OL still had considerably below average pass protection even if they only gave up one sack. On the other hand, Carr was way below average in his reaction to the poor pass protection--having too happy of feet, failing to react subtly to pressure, locking on, failing to see open WR's, etc. Bulger was sacked 7 times last weekend and put up 362 yds, 2 TD's and 1 INT. Bledsoe was sacked 4 times and put up 226 yds with 3 TD's and no INT's. No need to try to lay blame at the doorstep of one or the other because in the end, complain as much as we want, Carr and the OL are here for the season and both the OL and Carr can and need to play much better.

HJam72
09-14-2005, 05:35 PM
Carr's not the biggest problem and I'm not saying that he is. I doubt that we would gain anything from playing our other QBs. It's other people that are really upset with Carr. I'm just saying that SOMETIMES it's his fault. Sometimes he is not protected (it's almost always somebody other than an O-lineman at fault--judging by the last game) and other times he rolls out when he shouldn't. I also saw him run forward and NOT get a first down once when he could've thrown a pass to the same receiver who was be covered by the gay who wound up tackling him (Carr). He could've thrown a 10 yd. pass and instead ran for about 8 yds. I THINK the receiver was Murphy (TE). This is not the biggest mistake in the world, but it cost us a first down and he took a shot that was unnecessary.

Most of the problems seemed to be on the right side. I'm not sure, but I think Moran Norris blocks Carr's left side on pass plays. It looked like DD's pass blocking really hurt us. I wouldn't even think about letting Matt Murphy on the field anymore unless Bruener is unable to play. DD was so bad at pass blocking that I would consider using Wells because of it, unless DD can successfully do to dump-off guy thing, which wasn't working at all against Buffalo.

HJam72
09-14-2005, 05:39 PM
(Not refering to you Vinny but to what people are taking your opinion and running with).

Read the thread "I watched the game again last night and was surprised..."

infantrycak
09-14-2005, 05:50 PM
Read the thread "I watched the game again last night and was surprised..."

I did and IMO people (not speaking of anyone in particular) are taking the observation that only 1 sack came from the OL and running too much with it. Basically, too many people, not everyone but too many, want to act like there are culprits and good guys on this. As far as I am concerned there were nothing but mediocre guys out there on offense last week. Now was that their full potential?--no way and it really is pretty silly to act like it is.

Corrosion
09-14-2005, 06:09 PM
I did and IMO people (not speaking of anyone in particular) are taking the observation that only 1 sack came from the OL and running too much with it. Basically, too many people, not everyone but too many, want to act like there are culprits and good guys on this. As far as I am concerned there were nothing but mediocre guys out there on offense last week. Now was that their full potential?--no way and it really is pretty silly to act like it is.


The Culprit was the WHOLE OFFENSIVE UNIT ... this includes the coaching staff .......Was that their full potential ? LORD no , they have shown in the past that they CAN put up some good numbers ...... just hasnt been lately :goodnight

nunusguy
09-14-2005, 06:10 PM
I do not remember seeing a DL het a sack, although I didn't tape the 1st half. It was not the O-line that blew it. Bradford never gets open, our O-linemen are the only ones who DID pass block, and Carr is running when it's not necessary.
I think the weakside DE, on a stunt got a sack and otherwise the
OL was solid in pass protection in the first half. My apologies to the OL,
my first impression of their performance grossly underrated them.
DC did not play well, no doubt about it, though he would have to hustle
to get a lower rating than some other skill position players. Of course, when
he screws up its usually more costly. Atleast he made a couple plays, I can't think of one impressive catch the recievers collectively made. And the blocking by the RBs, as others have said was sorry.

wags
09-14-2005, 06:14 PM
I do not remember seeing a DL het a sack, although I didn't tape the 1st half.

Their DE's got three sacks.

Corrosion
09-14-2005, 06:36 PM
The five sacks were recorded by

RDE Aaron Schobel (2)

ROLB Takeo Spikes (1)

LDE Chris Kelsay (1)

LCB Jabari Greer (1) (Greer is listed as the 2nd string LCB .. Nickle back ?)

Looking at it on PAPER you would think the Texans Tackles were responsible for at least THREE of those as in general its the Tackles job to block the DE..... The other TWO would be the responsibility of the FB/RB/TE

Kaiser Toro
09-14-2005, 08:04 PM
When DC has time to make the throw he wants and the pass flies over or short of the open, targeted reciever how in the world is that the OLines fault or a recievers fault?

If I hear 140 sacks again used in the same paragraph as The O line stinks or has not gotten better I am going to virtually scream (got to be an icon for that). :)

Carr has been sacked 64 times in the last two years - 15 in 2003 and 49 in 2003, which is more in line with the type of pounding a QB would take over the course of a full season.

I ask you to watch any game of David Carr and it is practically the same piece of footwork every time. Set his back foot (the right) and throw a pass to his locked in receiver or cut and run. He may have the worst feel for the game in this regard. How about a step up into the pocket, how about a step to the left or to the right so that he can actually see the other recievers for once. We do not notice the other WR's because David does not notice them. I bet Palmer has a chart on how many times DC actually went thorugh all the progressions and it ain't pretty.

This may be the reason why our staff is at odds - Palmer wants to open it up, but he has a limited QB, but cannot say a dern thing. Palmer has a head coach that wants ball control, but how do you set up the run when the passing his horrible or your backfield can pick up any blitzes?

I will not bury my head into the sand for the highest paid player on the roster. Once again he has the tools, but a lot left to be desired for the money we are paying him.

Tayton
09-14-2005, 08:17 PM
Looking back I can remember people complaining that Carr threw too hard. Lately his arm strength doesn't seem to be there. I hate to make excuses for him, because he does make a ton of money and we already ragged on the O-Line, but I think this team could go a long way with some guys who could make some plays at receiver. I thought going into this year that WR was one of the strongest positions on the team. I have not seen it, throughout the preseason nor last week. Alot of good QBs take chances at throws, Try to put the ball in a place where the receiver can maybe make a play and let the receiver make it. I saw Carr do that the first couple of years, now I don't. Maybe because the receiver rarely makes the play, maybe because he doesn't want to make a mistake, maybe he's just not that good. At any rate, with they're awful game planning, and unbeleivable predictability I think this staff is turning Carr into a Couch.

the wonger need food
09-14-2005, 10:27 PM
David Carr has had over 200 net passing yards a grand total of (1) time since week 8 of last year.

He had 208 against a terrible Chicago Bears team in week 15.

thetexanator
09-14-2005, 10:33 PM
hey, its not his fault. the oline didnt give him enough time.
oh and that stuff is irrelevant. this is a whole new season, his performance last year and in the last two preseason games and his horrible performance in buffalo dont mean squat. hes only in his 4th year, you need to at least throw money at him and give him a grade after his second contract. your not a real fan like me.

Elite
09-14-2005, 10:34 PM
Do yall know what heath shuler and david carr have in common. :bomb:

Ihategeeks
09-15-2005, 12:12 AM
Second Carr has ONE , count them ONE NFL calibur reciever to throw to and he's usually double or triple covered .

Which means someone else is single covered
Which brings us back to my point.
Carr Locks on his #1 read too long.

SESupergenius
09-15-2005, 12:21 AM
Which means someone else is single covered
Which brings us back to my point.
Carr Locks on his #1 read too long.
No it means that other teams can afford to double cover because they can hanlde one-one coverage on everyone else

Ibar_Harry
09-15-2005, 12:21 AM
Which means someone else is single covered
Which brings us back to my point.
Carr Locks on his #1 read too long.

They may be single covered, but they are not open and they don't know how to get open. Even worse is they can't catch the ball if you do throw it to them.

NFLforher
09-15-2005, 12:28 AM
Do yall know what heath shuler and david carr have in common. :bomb:


Nothing.

False Start
09-15-2005, 12:32 AM
I'll just repeat what I said on another thread.

I listen a lot to NFL Sirius Radio . . and Pat Kirwin put it in far better words than I ever could. He said that the Houston Texans are well on their way to turning David Carr . . into another Tim Couch.

And Ill add -

It won't be long before the fans at Reliant Stadium will treat him like Tim Couch, too.


I have heard the Tim Couch reference on several shows myself . Kevin Wheeler and Rick Ballou were talking about this on Tuesday night . I think David has more than Couch did , but if he keeps getting smashed every Sunday he will never live up to his potential .

lucky13
09-15-2005, 06:36 AM
Let me throw 300 lbs defensive lineman at you 143 times in 3 years and tell me if you wont look a little discouraged when you realize there is no end in sight.

give it a rest, lack. he's being paid millions of dollars to do it.

Corrosion
09-15-2005, 07:49 AM
Which means someone else is single covered
Which brings us back to my point.
Carr Locks on his #1 read too long.


ONE NFL Calibur Reciever .... The other's are a Waste Of Roster Space


give it a rest, lack. he's being paid millions of dollars to do it.


Just because he's being paid millions of dollars to do it does not mean it doesnt affect his job performance .