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powda
09-12-2005, 07:09 PM
Maybe it's time to hand over the play calling duties to Penury? I don't expect it to happen now, but maybe over the bye week. I don't see how it could hurt.

I didn't get the chance to read the justice article till just now, and before coming in here I came to a speculative conclusion. Lucky hit on something a bit like this but I choose to consider something deeper...what if:

Joe Pendry was brought in to be groomed as an offensive coordinator.

Look at the immediate authority he was given...a first year offensive line coach revamps our entire running game?

His task was to learn palmer's offense and integrate his own with it so when the change was made (if necessary) it wouldn't be so drastic and a step back for players like Carr.

This was the fail safe....Plan X.

From the get go the offensive philosophical differences were there. Palmer has always leaned toward a more pass happy spread offense...the man was a receivers coach for the run and shoot oilers for Christ sake. He was given the benefit of the doubt from the get go because of his success with quarterbacks...but his offense has never meshed with a caper’s fundamental law: you win with a run dominated conservative ball control offense.

When the off season began palmer was close to being out the door. 3 of the “big 4” (Charley Casserly -gm, Dom Capers -hc, and Vic Fangio -dc) leaned on palmer.......”Do something”. He did. He spent the entire off season training an offense on 3 step drops and a 3-second buzzer. Guess what happened the minute there was adversity in a regular season game...

Yet on Sunday, Carr said the three-step drop — the quickest release, the one that might have negated the Buffalo pass rush — was called only "two or three times."

http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/3349487

There is quite obviously dissension in our coaching ranks. If you’ve listened to the defensive players after some of our more humiliating games you might even notice a growing dissension in the locker room between the defensive players and the offensive players (or at least the o.c.). Walker’s post-game interview on 610 was a prime example.

What the Texan's we're wanting was palmer to change and adapt things...of course the Texans wanted a productive offense...but it was also palmer's last stand...the Texans didn't want a major coordinator change this early in their franchise. Its an admission to the fans something was wrong, and the offense has to regress back to square 1.

If we get 8 losses this year palmer will walk...even if its November...

Joe...your window of opportunity to adapt is fleeting fast...hope you’ve got something good waiting for us.

powda
09-12-2005, 07:47 PM
-Pendry’s arrival in Houston reunited him with head coach Dom Capers. Pendry served as Capers’ offensive coordinator and quarterbacks coach for three seasons in Carolina (1995-97). In all, Pendry has worked for seven NFL teams over 18 seasons, reaching the playoffs 11 times.

-In Charlotte, Pendry helped the Panthers set an NFL expansion record for wins in 1995 (seven) and then reach the NFC Championship Game in just their second season. Quarterback Kerry Collins played in the Pro Bowl and running back Anthony Johnson posted the first 1,000-yard rushing season in franchise history.

-(when)Pendry’s post was in Buffalo, where he served as the Bills’ offensive coordinator for three seasons. In Pendry’s first season, the Bills jumped from 25th to sixth in the NFL in total offense, reaching the playoffs and sending four offensive players to the Pro Bowl. Buffalo again made the postseason in 1999, ranking 11th in the league in offense. Under Pendry, the Bills averaged 2,041 rushing yards per season, cracking the league’s top 10 all three seasons.

-Pendry spent the 1993-94 seasons in Chicago after serving four seasons in Kansas City as Schottenheimer’s offensive coordinator. The Chiefs made the playoffs in three of Pendry’s four seasons. Pendry accompanied Schottenheimer to Kansas City from Cleveland, where he broke into the NFL as the Browns’ running backs coach. Cleveland reached two AFC Championship Games and in 1985 became the first team in NFL history to boast two 1,000-yard running backs (Earnest Byner, Kevin Mack).

PENDRY’S COACHING LEDGER

2004-05: Offensive Line (Centers/Guards), Houston Texans

2003: Coaching Consultant, Southwest Missouri State

2001: Offensive Line, Washington Redskins

1998-2000: Offensive Coordinator, Buffalo Bills

1995-97: Offensive Coordinator, Carolina Panthers

1993-94: Running Backs, Chicago Bears

1989-92: Offensive Coordinator, Kansas City Chiefs

1985-88: Running Backs, Cleveland Browns

1984: Head Coach, Pittsburgh Maulers

1983: Offensive Coordinator, Philadelphia Stars

1980-81: Offensive Coordinator, Michigan State

1979: Offensive Line, Pittsburgh

1978: Quarterbacks, Pittsburgh

1976-77: Offensive Coordinator, West Virginia

1975: Offensive Coordinator, Kansas State

1974: Offensive Line, West Virginia

1972-73: Wide Receivers, West Virginia

1971: Freshman Head Coach, West Virginia

1970: Graduate Assistant, West Virginia

1969: Student Assistant, West Virginia

http://www.houstontexans.com/team/coaches_detail.php?PRKey=61

Runner
09-12-2005, 08:39 PM
Well shoot. I just posted on the wrong thread before I read this one. In essence, is Capers protecting of the offensive line (they graded out well) part of Capers/Pendry forcing Palmer out?

If that's the plan, just fire him instead of messing up the team.

Is Pendry really that good? Is the line really that good? Have we all been wrong for the past two years?

texan279
09-12-2005, 09:34 PM
Man this is like some kind of cool government secretive plan...We are going to Plan X...

Runner
09-12-2005, 09:47 PM
Man this is like some kind of cool government secretive plan...We are going to Plan X...

I'll let you in on something - it's really Plan Y. They just want you to think it's Plan X.

texan279
09-12-2005, 09:48 PM
LMAO...Whatever they call it, I'm onboard...

Wolf
09-12-2005, 09:55 PM
"It is G-14 classified"

signed
Chris Tucker (rush hour)

powda
09-12-2005, 10:10 PM
Man this is like some kind of cool government secretive plan...We are going to Plan X...


http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Set/6172/photos/austin03.jpg

"Yeah baby, yeahhhhhhhhhh!"

texan279
09-12-2005, 10:11 PM
LMAO :yahoo:

Kaiser Toro
09-12-2005, 10:23 PM
Love the double secret classified power play.

I can see Cass saying to Fangio and Pendry, "The first rule of Fire Palmer Club, is that there is no Fire Palmer Club."

AndreJ
09-12-2005, 10:26 PM
Love the double secret classified power play.

I can see Cass saying to Fangio and Pendry, "The first rule of Fire Palmer Club, is that there is no Fire Palmer Club."

LoL, talk about a conspiracy theory.

Vinny
09-12-2005, 10:27 PM
Love the double secret classified power play.

I can see Cass saying to Fangio and Pendry, "The first rule of Fire Palmer Club, is that there is no Fire Palmer Club."
lol: lol:

Honoring Earl 34
09-12-2005, 10:32 PM
:yahoo: What we can do ... is the same thing Coach Red did to take the Waterboy out of the game . We'll down it on every play .

jr0ck
09-12-2005, 11:02 PM
i must say powda 'ol boy, i don't think there is a poster on this board who has a more fitting avatar. CC in black and white with a hand gesture that seems to proclaim "AH HA! travis johnson DOES look like Mr. T!" with all the certainty of gravity. and your name referring to something that is white and finely ground (or a pink eyed albino) is the icing on the cake with a black and white photo.

that being said, brilliant post! i'm not to sure of the whole conspiracy sub-plot, but i like the back up plan idea ten-fold! if what you say rings true, i definitely would prefer an in house coaching change for one of the big three positions (HC, OC, DC) than someone totally new. let the new guy work his way up the ranks like pendry might possibly do. i love it!

:texflag:

Wolf
09-12-2005, 11:28 PM
I am not too much into the conspiracy theory.. If they wanted Palmer gone, I would think he would have been gone after last season.. besides if Mcnair needed anyone gone it would be the OL coaches.

Hervoyel
09-12-2005, 11:31 PM
Love the double secret classified power play.

I can see Cass saying to Fangio and Pendry, "The first rule of Fire Palmer Club, is that there is no Fire Palmer Club."


I'm stealing that for my sig. I can't leave that there and not steal it. Very funny stuff.

TexanExile
09-12-2005, 11:32 PM
whoa, hang on. The Texans have huge problems, but nobody becomes a laughingstock by losing to the Steelers. That happened 15 out of 16 times last year to teams facing the Steelers. 0-2 is totally unsurprising if it happens. 0-3, now, is when the finger starts inching closer to the panic button.

jr0ck
09-12-2005, 11:47 PM
Dissention will become public and HOUSTON will become the officiall BUTT OF THE JOKE in THE NFL.

the only people that care enough to feel that way are on this board/within houston city limits (the vast majority anyways). we're still gonna be 'the other team in texas' until one of the following happens:

1. the next team/s are added to the NFL

2. we make it into the play-offs more than once

now if the neither of those happens in the next 3-5 years, and we've gone through at least one clean sweep of our management/front office, AND we continue to be floating under/at .500, THEN we will most likely be the next in line to be the '2010 browns'...until then realize no one else cares (or is indifferent) about our teams success/failure...

with the major exception of all you fantasy football nuts out there :rolleyes: :ok:

jr0ck
09-12-2005, 11:52 PM
Can we beat that?

ironically, we did last time we BEAT the steelers. in case you haven't noticed the mention in a few threads floating around here, we set the NFL record while beating the steelers with a GRANDOISE, MAGNIFICENT total of 47 PITIFUL yards! so rest assured, we don't have to "beat that"...we already have!

HoustonHarley
09-12-2005, 11:53 PM
http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Set/6172/photos/austin03.jpg

"Yeah baby, yeahhhhhhhhhh!"


CC rug looks just as bad too!

pebblescds
09-13-2005, 12:12 AM
:LMAO...Whatever they call it, I'm onboard...
:texans: I so want this guy out of our organization completely. He is absolutely terrible at calling plays during a drive down field. As much of a love/hate relationship I have with Carr, I really feel that a great many of our offensive woes are due to Chris Palmer's anemic play calling. He is an fool plan and simple, he satbatoges the drives constantly, calling 3 reverses/end and arounds consecutively, what the heck was that??? I wanted to scream :crying: or cry I'm not sure. He needs to be fired immediatley after this loss, its also the preseason, we saw nothing to indicate past/ or present that he will get any better. Did you see his post game interview, "the gameplan was a good one, we just didnt make plays?" What game was he watching, that's another thing, he sits up there in the pressbox were he's out of touch with what's going on on the field. Good coordinators are usually on the sideline. Dom needs to start calling the plays like Tom Coughlin, and Jim Fassel when their off coord. couldn't win games for them. Dom needs to be more aggressive with the team, they look confused and unprepared offensively. The recievers don't know where to go, and David always looks frustrated. Change now, not later. We don't need Plan X, we need XXX.

bckey
09-13-2005, 12:45 AM
whoa, hang on. The Texans have huge problems, but nobody becomes a laughingstock by losing to the Steelers. That happened 15 out of 16 times last year to teams facing the Steelers. 0-2 is totally unsurprising if it happens. 0-3, now, is when the finger starts inching closer to the panic button.

It is how we lose if we do. If it is anything like their disaterous showing in Buffalo then yes we could be a laughingstock. We have a good chance of going 0-3. Cincinnati in week 4 is no easy task. The Texans have lost to them twice already.

touttail
09-13-2005, 09:26 AM
"It is G-14 classified"

signed
Chris Tucker (rush hour)


Our offensive line has a "safe" classification! We will never have to worry about someone taking them or stealing their playbook----LOL

bobby 119C

powda
09-19-2005, 05:02 PM
I didn't get the chance to read the justice article till just now, and before coming in here I came to a speculative conclusion. Lucky hit on something a bit like this but I choose to consider something deeper...what if:

Joe Pendry was brought in to be groomed as an offensive coordinator.

Look at the immediate authority he was given...a first year offensive line coach revamps our entire running game?

His task was to learn palmer's offense and integrate his own with it so when the change was made (if necessary) it wouldn't be so drastic and a step back for players like Carr.

This was the fail safe....Plan X.

From the get go the offensive philosophical differences were there. Palmer has always leaned toward a more pass happy spread offense...the man was a receivers coach for the run and shoot oilers for Christ sake. He was given the benefit of the doubt from the get go because of his success with quarterbacks...but his offense has never meshed with a caper’s fundamental law: you win with a run dominated conservative ball control offense.

When the off season began palmer was close to being out the door. 3 of the “big 4” (Charley Casserly -gm, Dom Capers -hc, and Vic Fangio -dc) leaned on palmer.......”Do something”. He did. He spent the entire off season training an offense on 3 step drops and a 3-second buzzer. Guess what happened the minute there was adversity in a regular season game...

Yet on Sunday, Carr said the three-step drop — the quickest release, the one that might have negated the Buffalo pass rush — was called only "two or three times."

http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/3349487

There is quite obviously dissension in our coaching ranks. If you’ve listened to the defensive players after some of our more humiliating games you might even notice a growing dissension in the locker room between the defensive players and the offensive players (or at least the o.c.). Walker’s post-game interview on 610 was a prime example.

What the Texan's we're wanting was palmer to change and adapt things...of course the Texans wanted a productive offense...but it was also palmer's last stand...the Texans didn't want a major coordinator change this early in their franchise. Its an admission to the fans something was wrong, and the offense has to regress back to square 1.

If we get 8 losses this year palmer will walk...even if its November...

Joe...your window of opportunity to adapt is fleeting fast...hope you’ve got something good waiting for us.


i would just like to take this oppurtunity to thank myself for my insight. my time line was a bit skewed ,but so were multiple prognostications from the great nostradamous.

guess now my task is figuring out the fail safe if pendry dosen't work out. :hmmm:

rmartin65
09-19-2005, 05:03 PM
nice guess