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edo783
09-12-2005, 01:09 PM
According to the artical by Richard Justice in the Chronic, it seems Carr wasn't feeling very well physically:

"Carr hung around longer. When he did leave, he bent down to pick up a box lunch.

He needed two tries. He groaned the first time and straightened up. He reached a second time, picked the food up and walked unsteadily out of the stadium."

Rightnow
09-12-2005, 01:13 PM
The early line on the Texans/Steelers game is the Steelers by 6. HAHAHA! They should revise that if they want anyone to bet on the Texans. It should be the Steelers by 12 at least.

texasguy346
09-12-2005, 01:15 PM
I don't blame him for not feeling well after the game with the pounding he took. He got his bell rung a couple of times when he ran for the first, and when he tried to run for the score on 3rd down.

Double Barrel
09-12-2005, 01:24 PM
After one of those early hits, I don't think he ever got his snap back. He just looked lost at at times, overwhelmed at other times, and scared the rest of the time.

bbills4life
09-12-2005, 01:45 PM
After one of those early hits, I don't think he ever got his snap back. He just looked lost at at times, overwhelmed at other times, and scared the rest of the time.

The one hit that drew the penalty (which actually was a legal hit, but unnecessary) rung his bell pretty good. I wouldn't be surprised if he got a mild concussion from that one (did you see him holding his head?).

Kaiser Toro
09-12-2005, 01:48 PM
The one hit that drew the penalty (which actually was a legal hit, but unnecessary) rung his bell pretty good. I wouldn't be surprised if he got a mild concussion from that one (did you see him holding his head?).

If that were the case, he having a concussion, he needs to be pulled. Carr is not good enough to win a game on his own.

bbills4life
09-12-2005, 01:56 PM
If that were the case, he having a concussion, he needs to be pulled. Carr is not good enough to win a game on his own.

I don't think any one play IS good enough to win on their own. There's a couple articles in the local paper up here about famous trios (Aikman/Smith/Irving, Kelly/Thomas/Reed, etc) from the past. It just points out the fact that it takes more than one person to win a game. A QB isn't any good if the WR's can't catch the ball. A QB isn't any good if his OL can't block. A RB isn't any good if his OL can't block. It really boils down to what everyone has been saying for YEARS...y'all need an OL.

Wharton
09-12-2005, 02:04 PM
If that were the case, he having a concussion, he needs to be pulled. Carr is not good enough to win a game on his own.

Please put at least a little thought into your post before you type it!!!!

It's a TEAM game!

PS: That was a pretty good article.

CoolieMan
09-12-2005, 02:08 PM
The early line on the Texans/Steelers game is the Steelers by 6. HAHAHA! They should revise that if they want anyone to bet on the Texans. It should be the Steelers by 12 at least.

The Steelers rarely blow anyone away.....they try to get the lead and then hold on (much like the Texans have done).....that is probably why the line is only 6, along with it being the Texans home opener and an anticipated rally after a terrible game....

Corrosion
09-12-2005, 02:15 PM
along with it being the Texans home opener and an anticipated rally after a terrible game....


Anticipated rally ? Im not gonna hold my breath . I'd jump all over the Steelers -6 in this game .

I think Capers should start HIMSELF at QB just to save Carr from another beating ...... Remember the last time these two teams played ? The Texans had a grand total of 47 yards .

Steelers 45-9

Double Barrel
09-12-2005, 02:16 PM
The one hit that drew the penalty (which actually was a legal hit, but unnecessary) rung his bell pretty good. I wouldn't be surprised if he got a mild concussion from that one (did you see him holding his head?).

yep, that's the one. He just looked out of it from that point forward. Later in the game we were hoping that they would put in Banks or Ragone to 1) give Carr a break, and 2) maybe spark something in the offense in his absence.

SBTexans08
09-12-2005, 02:16 PM
Exactly...I was very envious (I'm sure Carr would be also) when watching the Colts/Ravens game. The Ravens have a very good defense, yet Peyton had ALL day to throw on most plays. I think Carr would have had a field day behind Manning's offensive line...

I want to know why we didn't do anything to improve our offensive line??????
Manning and his WRs are on que. If you play closer (not saying you don't)attention....the reason he executes so many play is that Manning is quick about his throws. All the credit shouldn't be given to Indy's O-line. Manning and Co. have their timing down to the T.

texan279
09-12-2005, 02:17 PM
The Steelers rarely blow anyone away.....they try to get the lead and then hold on (much like the Texans have done).....that is probably why the line is only 6, along with it being the Texans home opener and an anticipated rally after a terrible game....

I don't think we could pull off a rally against a pop warner team...

SteelBlueToro
09-12-2005, 02:21 PM
The early line on the Texans/Steelers game is the Steelers by 6. HAHAHA! They should revise that if they want anyone to bet on the Texans. It should be the Steelers by 12 at least.

I think they left off a 6 - should be "66."

Kaiser Toro
09-12-2005, 02:32 PM
Please put at least a little thought into your post before you type it!!!!

It's a TEAM game!

PS: That was a pretty good article.

When you select a QB with the number one overall pick, you do it with a certain amount of expectations to follow - leadership, ability to overcome diversity to name just a few intangibles that should come from any starting QB, much less the top pick.

Carr has not shown anything other than the ability to be an average QB when he does get the opportunty to make a play. It is a team game and he has let his team down from the positon that he anchors.

If he is as good as we think that he is, then we are overpaying. If he is not as good he some think that he is then we need to restrcuture or cut our losses.

Double Barrel
09-12-2005, 02:52 PM
Carr has not shown anything other than the ability to be an average QB when he does get the opportunty to make a play. It is a team game and he has let his team down from the positon that he anchors.


That's true! I mean, he should be good enough to overcome lack of pass protection, a constantly collapsing pocket, blockers than won't read blitzes, and poor play calling. :ok:

[/sarcasm]

El Tejano
09-12-2005, 03:11 PM
He's in a slump and unfortunately the offensive line cannot help a slumping QB.

It will be interesting to see what Carr makes out of this season.

ledzeppelin229
09-12-2005, 03:11 PM
Anticipated rally ? Im not gonna hold my breath . I'd jump all over the Steelers -6 in this game .

I think Capers should start HIMSELF at QB just to save Carr from another beating ...... Remember the last time these two teams played ? The Texans had a grand total of 47 yards .

Steelers 45-9

I'll take 47 yards again if it means a win. Winning ugly is better than not winning at all.

BigBull17
09-12-2005, 03:37 PM
That's true! I mean, he should be good enough to overcome lack of pass protection, a constantly collapsing pocket, blockers than won't read blitzes, and poor play calling. :ok:

[/sarcasm]
Dont leave out WR not paying attention or being cowards ( thats you Bradford)

Corrosion
09-12-2005, 06:08 PM
I'll take 47 yards again if it means a win. Winning ugly is better than not winning at all.


Yeah , me too ..... But that win was a FLUKE :texflag:

touttail
09-13-2005, 09:54 AM
Manning and his WRs are on que. If you play closer (not saying you don't)attention....the reason he executes so many play is that Manning is quick about his throws. All the credit shouldn't be given to Indy's O-line. Manning and Co. have their timing down to the T.

Remember, Indy was 0-5 in preseason. Their OLine has been together for a while. They just click for whatever reason, coaching, OLine, or what.

bobby 119C :ok:

chuckm
09-13-2005, 10:51 AM
The one hit that drew the penalty (which actually was a legal hit, but unnecessary) rung his bell pretty good. I wouldn't be surprised if he got a mild concussion from that one (did you see him holding his head?).



I for one did not think the hit was legal. If it wasn't the definition of spearing then what is? Let's run that play back in our heads ..... insert Peyton Manning where Carr is and one of our DBs in place of the Buffalo DB.... anyone see a flag?

bbills4life
09-13-2005, 10:53 AM
There was a flag in this case.

It wasn't spearing because he never made contact with his helmet. It was shoulder to shoulder even though it LOOKED helmet to helmet.

Shauk25
09-13-2005, 10:57 AM
Why are bill fans still here??

chuckm
09-13-2005, 10:58 AM
There was a flag in this case.

It wasn't spearing because he never made contact with his helmet. It was shoulder to shoulder even though it LOOKED helmet to helmet.


the flag was picked up because Carr went head first ... not because they decided it was shoulder to shoulder .... my tone of my post was not based upon anything the Bills did or did not do ..... it was based on the frustration that we never seem to get the benefit of the doubt on calls such as those ... I could tell you about other past incidents (Manning's "non-fumble" last year, Carr going ballistic after a roughing non-call, .... but it would only bore you .... good luck the rest of the year ...

chuckm
09-13-2005, 10:58 AM
Why are bill fans still here??


you said it, not me .... :)

Shauk25
09-13-2005, 11:05 AM
I personally can answer it, because they want to think everyone they play are playoff contenders. Makes their decent team look better, let us remind them how our 3rd stringers took them behind the woodshed last yr with playoff's for them on the line.

Kick their *** out, new week new team

bigtex77
09-13-2005, 11:07 AM
Now children, let's play nice!

chuckm
09-13-2005, 11:07 AM
I personally can answer it, because they want to think everyone they play are playoff contenders.


It took us about a quarter to dispel that myth .....

chuckm
09-13-2005, 11:08 AM
Now children, let's play nice!


love your signature ....

touttail
09-13-2005, 11:08 AM
The majority of the Bills fans have been good posters with diginity & class. Most of them haven't slammed us. They have just as much right posting as I do.

bobby 119C :ok:

bigtex77
09-13-2005, 11:08 AM
It took us about a quarter to dispel that myth .....
Aint that the truth

bigtex77
09-13-2005, 11:09 AM
love your signature ....
Thanks, I just changed it.

bbills4life
09-13-2005, 11:18 AM
the flag was picked up because Carr went head first ... not because they decided it was shoulder to shoulder .... my tone of my post was not based upon anything the Bills did or did not do ..... it was based on the frustration that we never seem to get the benefit of the doubt on calls such as those ... I could tell you about other past incidents (Manning's "non-fumble" last year, Carr going ballistic after a roughing non-call, .... but it would only bore you .... good luck the rest of the year ...

That's not the play I'm talking about. The one I'm talking about was the one where Carr slid feet first, not head first.

bbills4life
09-13-2005, 11:19 AM
I personally can answer it, because they want to think everyone they play are playoff contenders. Makes their decent team look better, let us remind them how our 3rd stringers took them behind the woodshed last yr with playoff's for them on the line.

Kick their *** out, new week new team

I'm still here because the Texans are my "B" team. I follow them, but being in NY it's difficult.

chuckm
09-13-2005, 11:25 AM
Now children, let's play nice!


hey bigtex how about we go over to the Jags board and rag on them about getting swept last year? We're good for 6 weeks or more on that ....

:ok:

edo783
09-13-2005, 11:29 AM
That's not the play I'm talking about. The one I'm talking about was the one where Carr slid feet first, not head first.

And it was an intentional blow to the head with his shoulder when the QB had given himself up. Hence the flag. Ya hit a QB intentionaly in the head and they will throw the flag, except when he is running and NOT giving himself up. Then he is like any other runner.

bigtex77
09-13-2005, 11:31 AM
hey bigtex how about we go over to the Jags board and rag on them about getting swept last year? We're good for 6 weeks or more on that ....

:ok:
That would have been fun prior to Sunday, I can't even imagine the backlash as of now. LOL

bbills4life
09-13-2005, 11:32 AM
And it was an intentional blow to the head with his shoulder when the QB had given himself up. Hence the flag. Ya hit a QB intentionaly in the head and they will throw the flag, except when he is running and NOT giving himself up. Then he is like any other runner.

I'll agree it was an unnecessary hit, but he never touched his head. I think his head hit the ground. The only contact that was made was at the shoulder.

chuckm
09-13-2005, 11:42 AM
Thanks, I just changed it.


Ok I'm working on some ideas for my signature ....


here's a few ....


1) Tag, you're it
2) LOOOOOOOOKOUTTTTT
3) Ok, who had 4 in the sack pool???
4) Why is David always in a bad mood????
5) I thought you had the linebacker

bigtex77
09-13-2005, 12:03 PM
Ok I'm working on some ideas for my signature ....


here's a few ....


1) Tag, you're it
2) LOOOOOOOOKOUTTTTT
3) Ok, who had 4 in the sack pool???
4) Why is David always in a bad mood????
5) I thought you had the linebacker

They're all good but I love #1, it's simple, but very funny!

bbills4life
09-13-2005, 12:04 PM
Ok I'm working on some ideas for my signature ....


here's a few ....


1) Tag, you're it
2) LOOOOOOOOKOUTTTTT
3) Ok, who had 4 in the sack pool???
4) Why is David always in a bad mood????
5) I thought you had the linebacker

6) Patty-cake, patty-cake, baker's man...
7) EWWWWWWWWWW COOTIES!
8) AFLAC!
9) I just saved a bunch of money by switching to GEICO!

chuckm
09-13-2005, 12:30 PM
6) Patty-cake, patty-cake, baker's man...
7) EWWWWWWWWWW COOTIES!
8) AFLAC!
9) I just saved a bunch of money by switching to GEICO!

#7 is good but the others don't convey the point .... personally I think I'm going with #5 ....

Corrosion
09-14-2005, 12:51 AM
I understand this, but Peyton has much more time and a much more stable pocket than Carr. I specifically watched for this during the game. It is apparent.


This is true ... Pey-Me-A-Ton has MUCH more time ..... If you dont believe it next Sunday sit and watch both games with a stop watch in your hand ..... You will be surprised

texan279
09-14-2005, 12:57 AM
This is true ... Pey-Me-A-Ton has MUCH more time ..... If you dont believe it next Sunday sit and watch both games with a stop watch in your hand ..... You will be surprised

Sure he does, but he also knows how to use a pump fake and how to look off defenders, and he also knows how to call audibles...A lot here complain about the playcalling but a lot of the time it is Carr audibling to a run play at the line...not to get off topic or anything...

Double Barrel
09-14-2005, 01:16 AM
hey bigtex how about we go over to the Jags board and rag on them about getting swept last year? We're good for 6 weeks or more on that ....

:ok:

LOL! :heh: I know I shouldn't condone trolling, but this made me laugh.

outofhnd
09-14-2005, 02:41 AM
Now your sig would be funny if it was coach Palmer talking to DC about the line and he said I have good news.. "you are signing a big name tackle?" no I just saved a bunch of money by switching to geico. Maybe I should do commercials.

Anyways, I don't buy the concussion theory I think he may have have held his head like that to ensure the flag was thrown. He did have the presnce of mind to take the pylon on his td scramble. He looked out of it because he was following AJ down the field. We need to go back to a 3 rec. set more often you can tell he doesnt have much confidence in his TEs and unless its a fly route he has no confidence in Bradford either. That tells me He is trying but outside of DD and AJ no one has really stepped up and be come a second go to guy. Id like them to start gaff instead of bradford at #2 see if that helps maybe someone that works back to the ball and goes over the middle will help. That and totally scrapping the zone blocking scheme.

Corrosion
09-14-2005, 09:47 AM
Sure he does, but he also knows how to use a pump fake and how to look off defenders, and he also knows how to call audibles...A lot here complain about the playcalling but a lot of the time it is Carr audibling to a run play at the line...not to get off topic or anything...

Pump fake .... He doesnt have time to pump fake !
Look off defenders ? give me a break , no one but AJ and DD can catch not to mention he doesnt have time to look at more than one option .
You would audible to a Running play too if you had been sacked 140 times in the last 3 seasons .
It all boils down to TIME ....Carr doesnt have enough . :brickwall

Carr went to Casserly in the off-season asking that the line be addresed ..... instead of upgrading their personel , putting money into it they change the protections ? Three step drop ? They called it what , Twice ? That sure did address the problem . Come on Casserly ..... Give Carr what he needs on the O-line and give him another reciever too ....


hey bigtex how about we go over to the Jags board and rag on them about getting swept last year? We're good for 6 weeks or more on that ....

LOL! :heh: I know I shouldn't condone trolling, but this made me laugh.

All good things must come to an end :brickwall

William.carter
09-14-2005, 10:27 AM
Dont leave out WR not paying attention or being cowards ( thats you Bradford)

I agree that Bradford sucks and should be on a Greyhound out of town, but Gaffney got hit by that ball because he was just as surprised as everyone else watching the game that Carr threw to someone other than AJ.

Runner
09-14-2005, 10:35 AM
Carr went to Casserly in the off-season asking that the line be addresed ..... instead of upgrading their personel , putting money into it they change the protections ? Three step drop ? They called it what , Twice ? That sure did address the problem .


That reminds me - they are pointing to the running backs being to blame for 4 sacks, I think that indicates a change too. I don't remember from last year if we left our RBs in that frequently to pass block. Anybody know?

texan_fan
09-14-2005, 11:05 AM
Ok I'm working on some ideas for my signature ....


here's a few ....


1) Tag, you're it
2) LOOOOOOOOKOUTTTTT
3) Ok, who had 4 in the sack pool???
4) Why is David always in a bad mood????
5) I thought you had the linebacker

You forgot the most obvious one: *ring my bell*

BigBull17
09-14-2005, 11:50 AM
I agree that Bradford sucks and should be on a Greyhound out of town, but Gaffney got hit by that ball because he was just as surprised as everyone else watching the game that Carr threw to someone other than AJ.

But you cant throw to people who arent gonna pay attention, can you? That was a big play he blew, it would have been a first down at a critical time and to not even turn your head toward the QB is unacceptable. Im not saying we should fire the guy but just because Carr doesnt throw to him alot doesnt mean he has an excuse when its thrown his way and that happens.
:texflag:

infantrycak
09-14-2005, 11:54 AM
But you cant throw to people who arent gonna pay attention, can you?

You have no idea whose fault that was. WR's do not run down the field looking back the whole time. They run a route and are supposed to look back at a certain point. Obviously there was miscommunication on that play, but it may very well be Carr sent the ball off before Gaffney was supposed to look. Not saying it is Carr's fault, but you can't just assume it is either one's fault.

BigBull17
09-14-2005, 12:07 PM
But also when your playing against a team that has put pressure on you all day and you break open over the middle you have to look to your QB once. Thats what WR in the NFL do find soft spots and let the QB find you. As I said I dont htink he should be fired, nor do I blame it soley on him, but you have to pay attention in a football game. Somtimes your QB needs to throw it a little early and you have to find it. Thats what you have to do.

FILO_girl
09-14-2005, 12:24 PM
I want to know why we didn't do anything to improve our offensive line??????

The question many of us have been asking since 4/23. :brickwall

The gellin' line spin on this is not working anymore. Need a new angle to try to feed to us fans. I suggest fixing the problem instead of asking someone in Marketing to come in and put a new name and smoke screen on it. :twocents:

But I am just one fan, what do I know. ;)

Vambo, the Marble Eye
09-14-2005, 12:38 PM
IF I was Pittsburg's defensive coordinator, I would have 3 notes on a clipboard;

a) defense off tackle play Texans will run on almost every first down (99% of the time)

b) prepare for screen or draw plays on second and long (50% of the time)

c) hammer Carr on third down and long (80% of the time)


TRANSLATION: I am pissed that the tight end position got more yardage than our wide outs.... I think Rivers and Bruener both caught one a piece. Last time I thought about it...wouldn't passing plays to the tight end keep a nickle package spread out (hurts an AJ double team) and a defensive ends from flying in on the blitz?

I guess I am saying that we should throw it to the tight end on seam patterns and quick outs into the flat... then rinse and repeat.

And for God's sake, TRY passing ON FIRST DOWN.!!! Defensive O LB's expect our tight end to block when 99.9999 % of the time we run off tackle on first down. Even the retarded can figure out this sort of predictable offensive play calling.

:tomato:

Double Barrel
09-14-2005, 12:50 PM
And for God's sake, TRY passing ON FIRST DOWN.!!! Defensive O LB's expect our tight end to block when 99.9999 % of the time we run off tackle on first down. Even the retarded can figure out this sort of predictable offensive play calling.

From what I understand, they did pass more than run on first down last Sunday.

They just weren't successful at it. idonno:

Vambo, the Marble Eye
09-14-2005, 12:54 PM
From what I understand, they did pass more than run on first down last Sunday.

They just weren't successful at it. idonno:


I thought it was ONLY after they were behind in the 2nd half... again predictable. And yes, you are right...they didn't suceed with that brilliant strategy either.

Corrosion
09-14-2005, 12:58 PM
And for God's sake, TRY passing ON FIRST DOWN.!!! Defensive O LB's expect our tight end to block when 99.9999 % of the time we run off tackle on first down. Even the retarded can figure out this sort of predictable offensive play calling.

:tomato:


This should throw a wrench in your play calling theory ....

I've seen the issue of "why the Texans didn't throw on first down" brought up in a few different threads. The numbers don't lie--that's just not true. It's hard to believe because the results of those first-down pass attempts were (with only one exception) totally forgettable, BUT...

Here's a refresher from the game's stats:
(NOTE: Sacks are credited as attempts to pass)

FIRST HALF
1) The first offensive play from scrimmage was a dump pass to DD. Series was 3-and-out.
2) Next drive's first play was a 3 yard run to the left by DD. Pick ended the drive before any more first downs.
3) Next drive was 1 play: the DD fumble.
4) Then the touchdown drive. 4 total first downs (3 incomplete passes, 1 complete pass to Wells)
5) On the 1-play drive to end the half, DD ran up the middle on the only down.

SECOND HALF
1) Opening drive had 3 first downs (19yd pass to Bruener, a DD run, and a sack).
2) Next drive was split (a DD run and a sack).
3) Third drive was split (a DD run and an INT)
4) Final drive of 3rd Quarter had 1 first down: a 0-yard DD run.
5) Texans' first drive of 4th Quarter featured 2 first down plays: a DD run and a sack/fumble.
6) 3-and-out drive followed, with an incomplete pass on 1st down.
7) Final drive had a Carr scramble and an incomplete pass on 1st downs. Drive ended by INT on the ensuing 2nd down.

First half first-down plays: 5 passes/3 runs
Second half first-down plays: 7 passes/6 runs*
OVERALL ON 1ST DOWN: 12 passes/9 runs*

* I counted the scramble as a run, which is obviously debatable, but it doesn't affect the run-more-than-pass debate.


Its not the run / pass theory ..... The players DONT fit the system , Its as simple as that . This is NOT a run between the tackles team , the skill position players are MUCH more effective IN SPACE :brickwall

IM begining to think ITS NOT Palmers fualt but more of the blame should fall on Capers ..... He wants a POWER RUNNING GAME and DOESNT have the personel to do that . :texflag:

Double Barrel
09-14-2005, 01:05 PM
I thought it was ONLY after they were behind in the 2nd half... again predictable. And yes, you are right...they didn't suceed with that brilliant strategy either.

Information from an insightful analysis by Vinny (all of our first downs listed here):

First series:1-10-HOU30(9:19) D.Carr pass to D.Davis to HST 32 for 2 yards (J.Posey). Dump pass right, caught at HST 31.

Second series: 1-10-HOU19(1:38) D.Davis left tackle to HST 22 for 3 yards

Third series: (13:51) D.Davis up the middle to HST 27 for no gain

Fourth series: 1-10-HOU25(11:01) D.Carr pass incomplete to A.Johnson

1-10-HOU44(10:08) D.Carr pass incomplete to C.Bradford

1-10-BUF20(9:09) A.Johnson right tackle to BUF 18 for 2 yards

1-2-BUF2(7:26) PENALTY on HST-D.Carr, Delay of Game, 5 yards, enforced at BUF 2 - No Play.1-7-BUF7(7:16) D.Carr pass incomplete to D.Davis.

5th series: halftime

6th series: 1-10-HOU29(14:54) D.Carr pass to M.Bruener to HST 48 for 19 yards

1-10-BUF38(12:55) D.Carr sacked at BUF 48 for -10 yards

7th series: 1-10-HOU44(9:47) D.Davis up the middle to HST 49 for 5 yards

1-10-BUF44(8:28) D.Carr sacked at HST 47 for -9 yards

8th series: 1-10-HOU41(4:22) D.Davis left guard to HST 44 for 3 yards

1-10-BUF45(2:58) D.Carr pass intended for A.Johnson INTERCEPTED by T.Vincent at BUF -1

9th series: 1-10-HOU20(:43) D.Davis left guard to HST 20 for no gain

10th series: 1-10-HOU20(10:41) D.Davis left tackle pushed ob at HST 27 for 7 yards

1-10-HOU31(9:43) D.Carr sacked at HST 23 for -8 yards

11th series: 1-10-HOU26(7:06) (Shotgun) D.Carr pass incomplete to J.Gaffney

12th series: 1-10-HOU12(1:53) D.Carr right end ran ob at HST 15 for 3 yards. Trips shotgun. Obvious passing situation. Carr scrambles right and runs out of bounds.

1-10-HOU25(1:33) (Shotgun) D.Carr pass incomplete to A.Johnson

idonno:

beerlover
09-14-2005, 01:22 PM
From what I understand, they did pass more than run on first down last Sunday.

They just weren't successful at it. idonno:

lets look at the facts :hmmm: surprise, surprise, surprise looks very even to me so the playcalling was at least balanced equally between the run & pass on 1st down. the key point to me was that only one time in the game did the Texans make a 1st down on 1st down (19 yd pass to Bruener) three times it was turned over (two fumbled, one INT) two penaltys and two sacks all commited on 1st down, which tells me the defense had a very long day indeed :eek:

1st-10, HOU30 9:24 D. Carr passed to D. Davis to the right for 2 yard gain

1st-10, HOU19 1:43 D. Davis rushed to the left for 3 yard gain

1st-10, HOU27 13:57 D. Davis rushed up the middle for no gain. D. Davis fumbled. L. Fletcher recovered fumble

1st-10, HOU25 11:07 D. Carr incomplete pass to the right

1st-10, HOU44 10:51 D. Carr incomplete pass to the right

1st-10, BUF20 9:33 A. Johnson rushed to the right for 2 yard gain. BUF committed 5 yard penalty

1st-10, BUF13 8:52 D. Carr passed to J. Wells to the right for 7 yard gain

1st-2, BUF2 8:10 HOU committed 5 yard penalty

1st-7, BUF7 7:16 D. Carr incomplete pass to the right

1st-10, HOU17 0:29 D. Davis rushed to the left for 6 yard gain

1st-10, HOU29 15:00 D. Carr passed to M. Bruener to the right for 19 yard gain

1st-10, HOU48 14:54 D. Davis rushed up the middle for 7 yard gain

1st-10, BUF38 13:34 D. Carr sacked by A. Schobel

1st-10, HOU44 9:47 D. Davis rushed up the middle for 5 yard gain

1st-10, HOU41 4:22 D. Davis rushed to the left for 3 yard gain

1st-10, BUF45 3:39 T. Vincent intercepted D. Carr for 22 yards

1st-10, HOU20 0:43 D. Davis rushed to the left for no gain

1st-10, HOU20 10:41 D. Davis rushed to the left for 7 yard gain

1st-10, HOU31 10:19 D. Carr sacked by T. Spikes. D. Carr fumbled. L. Milloy recovered fumble

1st-10, HOU26 7:11 D. Carr incomplete pass to the right

1st-10, HOU12 1:53 D. Carr rushed to the right for 3 yard gain

1st-10, HOU25 1:40 D. Carr incomplete pass to the right

TexanFanInCC
09-14-2005, 02:23 PM
Anticipated rally ? Im not gonna hold my breath . I'd jump all over the Steelers -6 in this game .

I think Capers should start HIMSELF at QB just to save Carr from another beating ...... Remember the last time these two teams played ? The Texans had a grand total of 47 yards .

Steelers 45-9

47 yards yes...but we were in hostile territory up against a playoff team in frigid weather with a much worse o-line than now.

utahmark
09-14-2005, 03:12 PM
I'll agree it was an unnecessary hit, but he never touched his head. I think his head hit the ground. The only contact that was made was at the shoulder.

his elbow hit him in the head. when a quarterback slides feet first the play is over if you hit him there will be a flag.

BigBull17
09-14-2005, 03:16 PM
This should throw a wrench in your play calling theory ....




Its not the run / pass theory ..... The players DONT fit the system , Its as simple as that . This is NOT a run between the tackles team , the skill position players are MUCH more effective IN SPACE :brickwall

IM begining to think ITS NOT Palmers fualt but more of the blame should fall on Capers ..... He wants a POWER RUNNING GAME and DOESNT have the personel to do that . :texflag:
I have been thinking the samee for awhile. DD can break a tackle and he can pound but not all the time. He is much better in misdirection than anything. Then you have AJ and Mathis, who are good but not for a power running team. If you want that you need big possesion guys who know how to block down field. I knew we should have gotten Troy Brown in the offseason, if hes good enough for NE then why not get him.

Corrosion
09-14-2005, 03:36 PM
I have been thinking the samee for awhile. DD can break a tackle and he can pound but not all the time. He is much better in misdirection than anything. Then you have AJ and Mathis, who are good but not for a power running team. If you want that you need big possesion guys who know how to block down field. I knew we should have gotten Troy Brown in the offseason, if hes good enough for NE then why not get him.


My point is that this team just isnt a power running team .

Some teams CAN run the ball when there are 8-9 in the box ... The Steelers , Ravens and to some extent the Panthers . What these teams have in common is a BIG BACK who even when the line is stacked they gain positive yardage ..... They also have very good O-lines . Something I think Capers missed in Football 101. (You can add Casserly to those who missed class that day).

This Texans team just does'nt fit into that category . That IS what Capers wants . And as we all know Capers is THE WORST at making adjustments ... This is just another case in point .

We keep blaming Palmer for the offensive shortcomings .... I think Palmer is "handcuffed" by Capers and this team would be better off without it .... :brickwall


As for Troy Brown .... That guy is simply a good FOOTBALL player ...." Hey coach , where ya want me to line up this time ?" ...... "Well Troy , how about Left Tackle " ..... "Sure thing Coach , Ill do my best" ... :respect:

texan_fan
09-15-2005, 01:43 AM
Why are bill fans still here??

Because he's in love with a Texan_Fan :texflag:

phan1
09-15-2005, 02:19 AM
Well, after all this talk CARR IS OUR GUY! And he's going to be for the foreseable future. I'm still not sure how good he is, because he's been inconsistent. But so has our whole team in general. But I DO know that he's not bad enough to start looking for other options. And the great thing is that he's got a great sense of maturity. I wouldn't want to have any other guy as the face of our football team. I think other people feel the same way. and he's going to be in Houston for quite a while just for that reason.

And because he's going to be here for a while, we really need to start doing things AROUND Carr rather than trusting Carr to pull a rabbit out of his hat all the time. Maybe he's not going to be great. But do you know how freakin' hard it is to find a great QB? Our QB is still probably better than half the teams in the freakin' league!

We just need to start doing things around Carr and let him grow on his own. In the meantime, let's get some WRs he can communicate with and an Oline that can block well. Because Carr ain't going anywhere. If anything, Palmer has to go first.

SESupergenius
09-15-2005, 02:29 AM
If we don't establish a running game then there is no passing game, that is the philosphy so far. We need to start passing to set up the run and keep people honest. Very hard to do when the blocking is so putrid. If our oline is good then why can't we run? Nobody seems to want to tackle that question.

On a lighter not, Carr was on NFLNetwork tonight giving a tour of the Locker room and he ran into Walker giving interviews. Carr took over the interview and said something to the effect (jokingly of course) "IS the offense going to have to carry the defense again this year?" Walker replied, "If I went up against you every week I'd be the league leader in sacks" OUCH!

Elite
09-15-2005, 02:36 AM
If we don't establish a running game then there is no passing game, that is the philosphy so far. We need to start passing to set up the run and keep people honest. Very hard to do when the blocking is so putrid. If our oline is good then why can't we run? Nobody seems to want to tackle that question.

On a lighter not, Carr was on NFLNetwork tonight giving a tour of the Locker room and he ran into Walker giving interviews. Carr took over the interview and said something to the effect (jokingly of course) "IS the offense going to have to carry the defense again this year?" Walker replied, "If I went up against you every week I'd be the league leader in sacks" OUCH!


hell yeah he would David Holds on to the ball so much he would even make seth payne a probowler :rofl:

texan279
09-15-2005, 02:40 AM
Well, after all this talk CARR IS OUR GUY! And he's going to be for the foreseable future. I'm still not sure how good he is, because he's been inconsistent. But so has our whole team in general. But I DO know that he's not bad enough to start looking for other options. And the great thing is that he's got a great sense of maturity. I wouldn't want to have any other guy as the face of our football team. I think other people feel the same way. and he's going to be in Houston for quite a while just for that reason.

And because he's going to be here for a while, we really need to start doing things AROUND Carr rather than trusting Carr to pull a rabbit out of his hat all the time. Maybe he's not going to be great. But do you know how freakin' hard it is to find a great QB? Our QB is still probably better than half the teams in the freakin' league!

We just need to start doing things around Carr and let him grow on his own. In the meantime, let's get some WRs he can communicate with and an Oline that can block well. Because Carr ain't going anywhere. If anything, Palmer has to go first.

Is this you David? You say Carr is our guy, then in your next sentence you say you are not sure how good he will be and he has been inconsistent. Carr is in the last year of his contract this season and if he keeps up his poor performance, the only way I see him back here next year is as a backup or a short term low salary incentive based deal. A lot of people keep saying he needs time and he has potential, well he is entering his 4th year and has shown me nothing as of late...if he does not improve his performance and keep it on a consistent level I do not see him being a Texan next season...

Ihategeeks
09-15-2005, 04:35 AM
Troy Brown resigned with the Pats.

bbills4life
09-15-2005, 07:53 AM
Because he's in love with a Texan_Fan :texflag:

:drool:

FILO_girl
09-15-2005, 12:46 PM
:drool:

LOL! Some PM lovin' going on.....