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Rightnow
09-12-2005, 07:52 AM
David Carr has the potential to be a very good quarterback in this league. There are teams like the Ravens or the Bears that would kill to have Carr.

If at the end of this season he gets sacked for an average like yesterday (5x16=80) eighty times, does he demand to leave?

I would. Even if my career is no better, at least I will be able to walk without a cain when I'm 30. The Texans could probably get at least a 2nd and 3rd round pick for him. Then Bob fires the entire front office and starts fresh and new.

HJam72
09-12-2005, 08:13 AM
My answer is yes. I'm not saying that Carr is the next Aikmen, Montana, Elway, etc., etc., but that O-line endangers his health AND makes him look really bad. I can't believe we are in our fourth year and have a line that gets blown away like that. It's pathetic.

I wouldn't blame him or AJ if they left together and wound up on the same team, although I have no idea what AJ's contract status is.

thegr8fan
09-12-2005, 08:36 AM
if he does quit, it will when Casserly says "you can quit or we can fire you, which one is your choice".

No team in the NFL is going to put him under center as a starter, cause the rest of the NFL can see he ain't smart enough to run an offense.

Texas
09-12-2005, 09:01 AM
I hope so!

profan
09-12-2005, 09:45 AM
if no significant changes are made, it's time for carr to move on to another team that will give him a chance to succeed. The texans have not provided him with protection and have not advanced him a a qb.

TEXANS84
09-12-2005, 09:51 AM
I don't think we've picked up his option yet have we?

texan279
09-12-2005, 09:53 AM
if no significant changes are made, it's time for carr to move on to another team that will give him a chance to succeed. The texans have not provided him with protection and have not advanced him a a qb.

Did you notice yesterday when Carr threw one of his INT's was one of the ONLY times he had time?

profan
09-12-2005, 10:05 AM
Did you notice yesterday when Carr threw one of his INT's was one of the ONLY times he had time?

Yes, i did, we have not advanced him as a qb. He's either not getting enough time, or makes bad choices when he has time. He needs a better line and coach to help him suceed, or he may just not have IT. With andre getting triple coverage, one would expect another receiver to be open. He locks onto receivers early allowing defenders to react.

texan_fan
09-12-2005, 10:07 AM
First of all, this is crazy!

IT IS NOT DAVID'S FAULT! If he had a decent O-line that gave him time to make plays and was still making consistant mistakes, then I'd say OK, maybe we have a problem...

Reality is he's working with what he's been given, and you have to give the man credit for guttin' it out week in and week out, KNOWING he's going to spend those 3 hours running for his life before eventually being put on his a**.

You want to blame someone? Blame the coaching staff...all the way to the top! I promise you...you put the putz in there ( Brady ) and he'd have the same problems.

Yesterday during the game, someone had the nerve to compare David to Rob Johnson. That was just....WRONG! RJ made bad decisions. He HAD protection, he just didn't know what to do. David KNOWS what to do, he just hasn't been given the opportunity to DO it.

David, if you're reading this, please don't give up on us. But, if I were you, I would be DEMANDING a new O-line...

:twocents:

Tayton
09-12-2005, 10:14 AM
I disagree, David is playing very badly and has since the end of last year. No its not all his fault but 4 turnovers speaks volumes.

Chance_C
09-12-2005, 10:16 AM
IT IS NOT DAVID'S FAULT! If he had a decent O-line that gave him time to make plays and was still making consistant mistakes, then I'd say OK, maybe we have a problem

No offense to you, but I'm sick of reading this bull. David has to step up just like the rest of them. I'm pretty sure before the game he puts on his jock strap the same way everyone else does. I have always supported David and have always expected big things from him. I'm starting to worry now. It's kinda like Steve Francis. All that talent. All that ability. Just never could put it togethor on a consistent basis.

TEXANRED
09-12-2005, 10:29 AM
I have an idea, I think that Palmer and Pendry should play Qb this weekend and then lets see if they come back and tell us how great the zone block scheme is.

Malloy
09-12-2005, 10:38 AM
We should get Vince Young next year, he'll be the scrambling queen of Texas!

Then we would get a QB that expects the line to collapse AND can run like a madman.. :)

texan279
09-12-2005, 10:47 AM
Yes, i did, we have not advanced him as a qb. He's either not getting enough time, or makes bad choices when he has time. He needs a better line and coach to help him suceed, or he may just not have IT. With andre getting triple coverage, one would expect another receiver to be open. He locks onto receivers early allowing defenders to react.

Why would we need to upgrade the O line if when Carr does have time he throws INT's? To give him more time to throw more INT's? I ain't saying our O line is perfect, but there are a lot of people here who are blaming everything and everyone under the sun for Carr's performance of late except for Carr...Carr has good arm strength and is mobile, but I guess that is about it. He has no field vision, he does not look off defenders, and his accuracy has been horrible lately. His rating was like 12.9 yesterday, his 2nd lowest in 4 years. IMO Carr is starting to show he will never be more than an average NFL QB who cannot remain consistent and will probably be a career #2 somewhere. I am just tired of alot of people here not even placing some of the blame on Carr...And people freaked when I posted about Carr in the preseason, "Oh it's just preseason, it doesn't mean anything" or "Just give him more time" or "we need a new O line", now some of those who were freaking are calling for his head...

Vinny
09-12-2005, 10:53 AM
Why would the Ravens want another Boller?

bbills4life
09-12-2005, 10:53 AM
First of all, this is crazy!

IT IS NOT DAVID'S FAULT! If he had a decent O-line that gave him time to make plays and was still making consistant mistakes, then I'd say OK, maybe we have a problem...

Reality is he's working with what he's been given, and you have to give the man credit for guttin' it out week in and week out, KNOWING he's going to spend those 3 hours running for his life before eventually being put on his a**.

You want to blame someone? Blame the coaching staff...all the way to the top! I promise you...you put the putz in there ( Brady ) and he'd have the same problems.

Yesterday during the game, someone had the nerve to compare David to Rob Johnson. That was just....WRONG! RJ made bad decisions. He HAD protection, he just didn't know what to do. David KNOWS what to do, he just hasn't been given the opportunity to DO it.

David, if you're reading this, please don't give up on us. But, if I were you, I would be DEMANDING a new O-line...

:twocents:


Exactly! You can have Manning back there and he would be nowhere NEAR where he's at with Indy. Without an offensive line, you have NO OFFENSE. We've been fighting this problem for YEARS, and only now are things SLOWLY starting to come together.

texan279
09-12-2005, 11:00 AM
Why would the Ravens want another Boller?

Who were you replying to Vinny?

Vinny
09-12-2005, 11:02 AM
this... David Carr has the potential to be a very good quarterback in this league. There are teams like the Ravens or the Bears that would kill to have Carr.

texan279
09-12-2005, 11:05 AM
Oh ok, missed it...

cuppacoffee
09-12-2005, 11:07 AM
Who were you replaying to Vinny?

I am not Vinny, but re-read the original poster.

SESupergenius
09-12-2005, 11:13 AM
Ity rediculous to assign the blame on Carr when these same experts knew that our o-line was not addressed. Oh wait yes it was it was Riley, sorry my bad. Ever since we got Riley our offensive line has been solid and that kid from Fresno had better start putting up on his end of the deal.

the level of insight from the so called "veteran" members is shocking.

JustBonee
09-12-2005, 11:17 AM
"Fact...J.P. Losman is the reincarnation of Kenny Stabler." - Matty Fitz

...that caught my eye 279... maybe so. Stabler was one of my favorites of all time ... his 2 minute drills can't be beat!
And Losman was out there just having fun.... no pressure, no stress whatsoever. He looked great!
As for Carr ... :confused: ... just don't know anymore.

texan279
09-12-2005, 11:24 AM
...that caught my eye 279... maybe so. Stabler was one of my favorites of all time ...the excitement he created .. his 2 minute drills can't be beat! And Losman was out there just having fun.... no pressure, no stress whatsoever. He looked great!

Honestly, um, I don't care for J.P. Losman I just think Matty Fitz's commercials on the NFL Network are hilarious, and that phrase comes from my favorite Matty Fitz commercial...

Fldvldog
09-12-2005, 11:27 AM
Don't take this the wrong way texan fans, but I beleive that Carr is the next Tim Couch (minus the playoff appearances).

texan279
09-12-2005, 11:29 AM
Dude, someone else just posted that on the Jags MB and you had to run over here and post it? :tv:

PapaL
09-12-2005, 11:31 AM
We should get Vince Young next year, he'll be the scrambling queen of Texas!

Then we would get a QB that expects the line to collapse AND can run like a madman.. :)

I like Vince Young as much as the next guy, but he is not NFL ready YET. Much less put him behind an overall poor o-line and its downhill from there.

rafterticket
09-12-2005, 11:32 AM
if he does quit, it will when Casserly says "you can quit or we can fire you, which one is your choice".

No team in the NFL is going to put him under center as a starter, cause the rest of the NFL can see he ain't smart enough to run an offense.

What are you supposed to be a Gr8 fan of? To me you sound very average.

texan279
09-12-2005, 11:34 AM
What are you supposed to be a Gr8 fan of? To me you sound very average.

Because he speaks the truth and doesn't look at everything through battle red glasses?

Malloy
09-12-2005, 11:42 AM
I like Vince Young as much as the next guy, but he is not NFL ready YET. Much less put him behind an overall poor o-line and its downhill from there.

Well, at least he CAN run when the entire line collapses :)

Texans Pride
09-12-2005, 11:56 AM
To answer the original question:

Yes, if things continue as they have, I, as David Carr, would ask to leave. I would do whatever possible to get off of this team IF THINGS CONTINUE AS THEY HAVE.

We have shell shocked this guy, and haven't done much to help his career.

rafterticket
09-12-2005, 11:59 AM
Because he speaks the truth and doesn't look at everything through battle red glasses?

No. The both of you are so "average" in the way you place the blame on one guy, when there is SO much blame to go around on this issue, from ALL eleven offensive starters all the way up to Charlie Casserly. Meanwhile, Dom and Charlie keep spewing the same ****. You know, the "well...we didn't get things done and that's just something we got to work on before next week..". The fact is they were unprepared with no game plan and no will to execute the plays they were assigned to run. EVERY FREAKING ONE OF THEM!

Did anyone hear Brent Jones yesterday? "Is it just me, or do the Texans never pass on first down?" He questioned the coaching many times, too. I was never the biggest 49er fan, but I sure do respect a player of his caliber.

I think Carr had potential, but he got hosed by his coaching staff and his GM. He looked shellshocked.....no, worse; he looked like my dad's gunshy birddog. I always admired the way Carr could take a mean hit and get right back up. Whatever that was, it was gone yesterday. I take this much back - he had a pair to just to line UP with that offense.

Kudos to the defense. What they did with the holes they were placed in is not bad. With a lesser unit, it could have been 42-7.

So....if you want to continue placing the blame on one guy, please continue. I just think the last thing you can call yourself is a great fan, if you aren't angry and critical with some perspective.

Rightnow
09-12-2005, 12:05 PM
If I was Carr and kept taking a beating like last Sunday I would go to the media on my own and call out the Texan's organization. There would be a large price to pay behind the scenes, but not having a broken neck would be worth it. He is not going to make the season if he gets sacked 3-6 times a game and is running while trying to slide, and is hurled out of bounds as he tries to get the first. Nobody can take that abuse. :goodnight

aj.
09-12-2005, 12:08 PM
Did anyone hear Brent Jones yesterday? "Is it just me, or do the Texans never pass on first down?" He questioned the coaching many times, too. I was never the biggest 49er fan, but I sure do respect a player of his caliber. I heard him and when he said it at 4:22 in the third quarter, the Texans had passed (or attempted to pass) on first down 7 times and ran it 7 times. Maybe he was a good player but he's not real observant.

texan279
09-12-2005, 12:12 PM
No. The both of you are so "average" in the way you place the blame on one guy, when there is SO much blame to go around on this issue, from ALL eleven offensive starters all the way up to Charlie Casserly. Meanwhile, Dom and Charlie keep spewing the same ****. You know, the "well...we didn't get things done and that's just something we got to work on before next week..". The fact is they were unprepared with no game plan and no will to execute the plays they were assigned to run. EVERY FREAKING ONE OF THEM!

I know Carr is not the only one to blame, we can blame Fangio for fluff playcalling yesterday, or how about Palmer for the conservative playcalling, I could go on and on. But I am tired of some not wanting to put any blame at all on Carr, blaming the O line, the O coordinator, the QB coach and so on. It is ridiculous. You wanna know why I am so down on Carr? Look at what he did yesterday, when he did have time to throw a ball he would throw into double or triple coverage, which is where 2 of his picks came from, when he DID have tim, CANNOT blame the O line for that. Marc Bulger was sacked SEVEN times yesterday and threw for 356 yards 2 TD and 1 INT. Face it Carr is not a good decision maker, has no field of vision, and cannot look off defenders, and his accuracy has been horrible lately. You know Carr was our #1 pick and is making almost $9 million dollars this season is the reason I am the toughest on Carr, he needs to start performing like a #1 pick, but those of you defending him and saying he has no blame whatsoever go ahead and keep thinking that...

rafterticket
09-12-2005, 12:18 PM
I heard him and when he said it at 4:22 in the third quarter, the Texans had passed (or attempted to pass) on first down 7 times and ran it 7 times. Maybe he was a good player but he's not real observant.

Okay. Outside of them hitting Murphy and Bruenner, and Carr getting a "moral completion" on Zombie Gaffney, I can't blame him for sleeping a little in the booth.

eriadoc
09-12-2005, 12:22 PM
Why would we need to upgrade the O line if when Carr does have time he throws INT's? To give him more time to throw more INT's? I ain't saying our O line is perfect, but there are a lot of people here who are blaming everything and everyone under the sun for Carr's performance of late except for Carr...

In response to texan279 - you have repeatedly focused on this play. I think what most people are trying to say is the O-line and coaching staff are responsible for getting Carr to where he is right now. Carr is not a good QB right now, and I'm not sure I have seen anyone say so. What I see are a bunch of people disappointed in his performance to this point, when he obviously has the talent to be a Pro Bowl QB. The point I keep raising is that yes, he has underperformed, and may in fact be ruined completely. But if you think sticking another QB in this situation is going to solve anything, you're wrong. And that, to me, says volumes about how much of the blame for where things are today can be laid at Carr's feet. Carr certainly has some culpability for his performance issues on a game-by-game basis, but when you look at the overall picture for the last 3 seasons, there is a recurring theme - Carr getting killed. At this point, he's gunshy, has happy feet, and may never develop into the QB that we all envisioned. For that, our coaches need to stand accountable. And before we put another "franchise" QB in there, we need to fix the reaql problem. We're all complaining about the paint job when the engine is missing on all cylinders.

Exascor
09-12-2005, 12:23 PM
We have shell shocked this guy, and haven't done much to help his career.With the pounding he has taken I actually feel sorry for him. His confidence seems shaken to the core. He seems frustrated beyonf belief. Sad.

texan279
09-12-2005, 12:26 PM
In response to texan279 - you have repeatedly focused on this play. I think what most people are trying to say is the O-line and coaching staff are responsible for getting Carr to where he is right now. Carr is not a good QB right now, and I'm not sure I have seen anyone say so. What I see are a bunch of people disappointed in his performance to this point, when he obviously has the talent to be a Pro Bowl QB. The point I keep raising is that yes, he has underperformed, and may in fact be ruined completely. But if you think sticking another QB in this situation is going to solve anything, you're wrong. And that, to me, says volumes about how much of the blame for where things are today can be laid at Carr's feet. Carr certainly has some culpability for his performance issues on a game-by-game basis, but when you look at the overall picture for the last 3 seasons, there is a recurring theme - Carr getting killed. At this point, he's gunshy, has happy feet, and may never develop into the QB that we all envisioned. For that, our coaches need to stand accountable. And before we put another "franchise" QB in there, we need to fix the reaql problem. We're all complaining about the paint job when the engine is missing on all cylinders.

LOL everyone wants to blame everone else for Carr "underachieving". Carr will never be more than an average NFL QB, if that. If all of this is the O line's and coaches fault, why has Carr regressed after we added Riley to the O line and the coaching staff has not changed...One more performance like this, and Carr will be in the media's hot seat instead of Harrington, Joey actuallly did something yesterday...

RocCityJag
09-12-2005, 12:29 PM
I will pay this pile of trash to leave. He totally sucks.



and let me ask, do you really think that you are going to get a good Qb to come down here? ummm no. The only way you will get a desent QB is threw the draft and the whole thing that happened to Carr is going to happen all over again.

stop being cheep. Fix the Oline

eriadoc
09-12-2005, 12:32 PM
LOL everyone wants to blame everone else for Carr "underachieving". Carr will never be more than an average NFL QB, if that. If all of this is the O line's and coaches fault, why has Carr regressed after we added Riley to the O line and the coaching staff has not changed...One more performance like this, and Carr will be in the media's hot seat instead of Harrington, Joey actuallly did something yesterday...

That's easy ... first we added VICTOR FRIGGIN RILEY! Second, the coaching staff has NOT changed. These are the precise issues I'm addressing. If you can honestly say to yourself that any other QB would be anywhere differently after 3 years in this system, then we have nothing more to discuss.

texan279
09-12-2005, 12:36 PM
That's easy ... first we added VICTOR FRIGGIN RILEY! Second, the coaching staff has NOT changed. These are the precise issues I'm addressing. If you can honestly say to yourself that any other QB would be anywhere differently after 3 years in this system, then we have nothing more to discuss.

You just made my point for me thank you...If things have been the same for the last 3 seasons, why has Carr regressed and not at least kept up his performance of the last 2 or 3 seasons? Last season he threw only 14 INT's all season and has 3 already this season in one game...Face it Carr=Couch

HardCoreTxn
09-12-2005, 12:42 PM
Coaching staff!Coaching staff!Coaching staff!
open your friggin eyes BOB!

thegr8fan
09-12-2005, 12:44 PM
What are you supposed to be a Gr8 fan of? To me you sound very average. well is sure ain't David Carr, now is it. :texflag:

and not that I really OWE you some kind of answer, but since I am feeling ina generous mood today, I am thegr8fan of the Texans as a whole. As embarrassing as that is to admit to after yesterdays game. It doesn't mean I am going to watch them play like a bunch of smucks and NOT say anything about it.

But I also like to stay on topic and the topic of this thread was David Carr, not the Texans as a team.

SESupergenius
09-12-2005, 12:54 PM
You just made my point for me thank you...If things have been the same for the last 3 seasons, why has Carr regressed and not at least kept up his performance of the last 2 or 3 seasons? Last season he threw only 14 INT's all season and has 3 already this season in one game...Face it Carr=Couch
You have no clue. Sure Carr made mistakes yesterday, we were playing a top 5 defense, of course he's going to make a few bonehead plays. He made some potential nice plays too (Gaffney shoulder, Bradford long bomb with eyes closed)
I actually didn't mind them going deep for the endzone on that one pick, Andre had beat 2 guys, the safety just made a fantastic play, he's a pro-bowler. What I do have a problem with is Carr not having the time to set up and view his options, he has to focus on a particular target because of a collapsing pocket. There was pressure from the sides where our tackles were routinely getting beat on the speed rush, we got pressure up the middle from bull rushes. When you have pressure like that and you don't call quick slants but maybe 3 times a game, your offense is going to sputter. I can't blame the QB for that.

texan279
09-12-2005, 01:01 PM
You have no clue. Sure Carr made mistakes yesterday, we were playing a top 5 defense, of course he's going to make a few bonehead plays. He made some potential nice plays too (Gaffney shoulder, Bradford long bomb with eyes closed)I actually didn't mind them going deep for the endzone on that one pick, Andre had beat 2 guys, the safety just made a fantastic play, he's a pro-bowler. What I do have a problem with is Carr not having the time to set up and view his options, he has to focus on a particular target because of a collapsing pocket. There was pressure from the sides where our tackles were routinely getting beat on the speed rush, we got pressure up the middle from bull rushes. When you have pressure like that and you don't call quick slants but maybe 3 times a game, your offense is going to sputter. I can't blame the QB for that.

Carr has been making mistakes since game 1 preseason, and a lot of people said "It's only preseason it doesn't count" and to that I said it may not count, but we get to see how our first team offense looks against other 1st team defenses and there is reason for worry. A lot of people called me crazy, and now some of them are calling for Carr's head. Sure he was pressured some yesterday, but the small amount of time he played in the preseason he was not pressured at all and was throwing INT's left and right...And as far as the throw to Andre, there was no fantastic play made there. It looked like Carr threw the ball straight up into the air and it hung for 10 seconds, by the time the ball came down there were 3 defenders around Andre.

CARR PRESEASON STATS
15/34 114 yards 44.1 completion percentage 1 TD 4 INT sacked 1 time
Oh but it was just preseason, it didn't mean anything...

rafterticket
09-12-2005, 01:22 PM
:rolleyes: and not that I really OWE you some kind of answer, but since I am feeling in a generous mood today, I am thegr8fan of the Texans as a whole. As embarrassing as that is to admit to after yesterdays game. It doesn't mean I am going to watch them play like a bunch of schmucks and NOT say anything about it.

But I also like to stay on topic and the topic of this thread was David Carr, not the Texans as a team.

(in a tone as if speaking to a pouty little girl): Come on, baby. I'm sorry I made you mad. When I read your first post, it seemed like you were just an angry guy bashing David Carr. Now that I've read a second post, I can see you're not even that. :rolleyes:

thegr8fan
09-12-2005, 01:31 PM
LOL, carefull rafterticket, the Mods on this board don't like personal bashing. :rolleyes:

Your gonna have to be a bit more inventive if you think that is going to upset me or something. Your using the wrong bait son, and I just ain't biting.

I will be at the games and make noise with the best of them in support of the team. I won't 'boo' Carr when he is on the field, or makes a bad play, no matter how much I think he deserves it. But I won't put on the 'Carr is a God' Beer Bottle thick Rose colored glass's that some on this board like the wear permantly.

Ragone may not be able to do much better than Carr. But with a rating of 12.1, does anyone think Ragone could any WORSE?

rafterticket
09-12-2005, 01:35 PM
Mods and Gr8fan, my apologies. That was said in fun, I swear. :)

Gr8fan, I know you are a fan. I just vehemently disagree with you.

eriadoc
09-12-2005, 01:38 PM
Ragone may not be able to do much better than Carr. But with a rating of 12.1, does anyone think Ragone could any WORSE?

Yes. The way the team played yesterday, no QB would have done much (any) better, and inexperienced ones would do worse.

texan279
09-12-2005, 01:41 PM
Just because he does not have much experience against 1st team talent does not make Ragone inexperienced...

LBC_Justin
09-12-2005, 01:45 PM
Don't take this the wrong way texan fans, but I beleive that Carr is the next Tim Couch (minus the playoff appearances).
LOL the Jags have their own problems with Leftwich.

How many points did y'all score last year? Oh thats right not very many!!
Your defense carries your team.

Leftwich + Texans O-line = #1 overall pick in the Draft.

JaguarsFan1
09-12-2005, 05:15 PM
LOL the Jags have their own problems with Leftwich.

How many points did y'all score last year? Oh thats right not very many!!
Your defense carries your team.

Leftwich + Texans O-line = #1 overall pick in the Draft.



Lefty looked like Marino yesterday. Carr looked like Betty White. Last year is just what it is, last year. Now, with that said I always have liked Carr, and hope he will become a top QB in the league. Maybe its not him or the o-line. Could it be the blocking scheme? BTW Jags put up 26 yesterday. Oh, more importantly got the W.

HoustonFan
09-12-2005, 05:24 PM
I agree that Carr is basically getting cippled out there. I don't think Vick, P. Manning, McNabb, McNair, Brady, and dare I say Rothlesberger would survive behind our O-line.

Wolf
09-12-2005, 05:26 PM
I knew there was a reason we should have kept Drew Henson.. :heh: We could have alternated series to keep both from taking a severe beating

TEXANRED
09-12-2005, 05:28 PM
Lets put the blame where it needs to be, Palmers mom. If she never gave birth to him then he wouldnt be our O/C.

There is said it.

HoustonFan
09-12-2005, 05:32 PM
Lets put the blame where it needs to be, Palmers mom. If she never gave birth to him then he wouldnt be our O/C.

There is said it.

Man, that hurt. :embarrass

AndreJ
09-12-2005, 05:38 PM
First of all, this is crazy!

IT IS NOT DAVID'S FAULT! :twocents:

YOU'RE IN DENIAL!

thegr8fan
09-12-2005, 06:23 PM
Gr8fan, I know you are a fan. I just vehemently disagree with you. no insult taken rafterticket, but thank you for the apology offered.

and on this you and I will just have to vehemently disagree with each other.

Hey, I'm OK with that though. If this board had a bunch of 'yes men' it would be pretty boring, IMHO.

and just for the record, I don't put the entire loss on the shoulders of Carr. I think the entire organization 'shoulders' some of the blame. From Casserly down to the towel boys. No one person makes an embarrassing loss like that happen all by themselves. But I do think Carr shares a 'lions share' share of blame. I can certainly understand that some would not agree with that though.

At the end of the day, or high noon come Sunday, we will all be in agreement though that we are ............. :texflag: fans

rmartin65
09-12-2005, 06:28 PM
i lie carr. i dont want him to leave. but for his saftey he should. he's gonna get the **** beat out of him..

Grid
09-12-2005, 06:29 PM
If I was Carr.. I would be out the door as fast as my feet could take me.

He is getting NO help down here, if he stays, he will more than likely be forced into early retirement.. either because of injury, or lack of production due to countless seasons with no protection.

If I was him.. id take a job riding the pine for whoever has a good Oline.

Wolf
09-12-2005, 06:51 PM
"I'm just going to get in an ice bucket with a snorkel and come back the next week," Carr said.

this is from after the SD game in 2002 where we took a beating then

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/recap/NFL_20020915_HOU@SD

I bet he feels the same way after this week, except attitude has changed.

Hervoyel
09-12-2005, 07:11 PM
this is from after the SD game in 2002 where we took a beating then

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/recap/NFL_20020915_HOU@SD

I bet he feels the same way after this week, except attitude has changed.

Yeah, back then he was sounding fired up about coming back the next week. Now he sounds like a guy looking for someone to throw him a line.

Beat someone long enough and that's what happens.

Htown-Tailgators-Lee
09-12-2005, 07:23 PM
Carr is ready to go. At least I hope so. He has a great arm, but terrible field vision. I am tired of watching him roll to the right. Everyone knows exactly what he is going to do. His eyes never leave the receiver. If he is going to take a deep drop, why not just line up in the shot-gun, it would give him more time. I think that Carr could turn this thing around if he changes 2 things. 1. Line-up in the shot-gun 2. Where a dark shield on his helmet.

WWJD
09-12-2005, 07:42 PM
I will pay this pile of trash to leave. He totally sucks.


Gosh what a nasty remark.

The guy is active in the community, gives back to the community and has been an upstanding citizen. He's hardly a pile of trash as you say. :brickwall

HJam72
09-12-2005, 08:13 PM
I have an idea, I think that Palmer and Pendry should play Qb this weekend and then lets see if they come back and tell us how great the zone block scheme is.

Now there's a good idea!

Elite
09-12-2005, 08:35 PM
David Carr has the potential to be a very good quarterback in this league. There are teams like the Ravens or the Bears that would kill to have Carr.

If at the end of this season he gets sacked for an average like yesterday (5x16=80) eighty times, does he demand to leave?

I would. Even if my career is no better, at least I will be able to walk without a cain when I'm 30. The Texans could probably get at least a 2nd and 3rd round pick for him. Then Bob fires the entire front office and starts fresh and new.


Actually Carr should be thankfull we have made him a poster child that cant do no wrong your post proves it. you think carr has nothing to do with his poor performance if ive said it once ive said a million times David carr played his college ball for fresno state wich equals the WAC ala trent dilfer and so many other worthless qb's over time. his weak schedule in college made him seem like a good qb but honestly even you know he isnt. i pray management sees that look at david stat last just last year and you will see when tony banks was in the game he had a higher QB rating higher touchdown to interception ratio dont lie to yourself about david carr ive seen this coming forever now and some fans are starting to see it too. its just sad we couldnt predict the future because i bet you our first round pick our franchise pretty boy would of been Julius Peppers. right now i say there are about 28 qbs i rather have than carr hell ill even take old *** kurt my wife looks like a man on heroin warner.

texan279
09-12-2005, 08:41 PM
I was just thinking that elite...I hear Ramsey wants to be traded from the Redskins :embarrass ...or maybe we could trade for Phillip Rivers? :confused: :challenge :crying:

Texans Pride
09-12-2005, 08:48 PM
Hervoyel

That has got to be have seen...Very nice!

JustBonee
09-12-2005, 08:49 PM
this is from after the SD game in 2002 where we took a beating then

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/recap/NFL_20020915_HOU@SD

I bet he feels the same way after this week, except attitude has changed.

Attitude has definitely changed. NFL.com calling him "broken Carr"
http://images2.nfl.com/u/ap/photos/NYDD705091119_lower.jpg

Grid
09-12-2005, 08:52 PM
Well, if Carr has lost faith in the system, that should be a big incentive for McNair to make sweeping changes.

texan_fan
09-12-2005, 10:04 PM
I agree that Carr is basically getting cippled out there. I don't think Vick, P. Manning, McNabb, McNair, Brady, and dare I say Rothlesberger would survive behind our O-line.

THANK YOU. That was my point!

Kaiser Toro
09-12-2005, 10:07 PM
He looked like he quit on a couple of plays to me yesterday, especially on that fumble.

Kaiser Toro
09-12-2005, 10:13 PM
Okay. Outside of them hitting Murphy and Bruenner, and Carr getting a "moral completion" on Zombie Gaffney, I can't blame him for sleeping a little in the booth.

LOL. After reading these threads the moral completion stands out as Carr's highlight yesterday.

Zombie Gaffney, nice.

Wolf
09-12-2005, 10:24 PM
I personally think we will go out of our way to get some linemen in town. And we might have to overpay, but I don't see Carr leaving unless Ragone steps up.

I personally don't see us using a 1st rounder on another QB..it is a lineman

rockabilly
09-12-2005, 10:27 PM
Carr will be here for at least another couple of years. Where he will be on the depth chart is unknown.

NFLforher
09-12-2005, 10:53 PM
Gosh what a nasty remark.

The guy is active in the community, gives back to the community and has been an upstanding citizen. He's hardly a pile of trash as you say. :brickwall

I agree. We may have disagreements about what is wrong with the team but Carr is an upstanding character guy.

HoustonFan
09-12-2005, 10:56 PM
I think Carr will not be resigned!

Coaches do not want to admit that they have any fault at all so it's basically Carr vs the Coaches now. One way or another one party will not remain in houston after this season.

If that happened and I was Carr, I'd get at that QB and pray w/ him for his health.

McNair, I'm sure you have an idea about the game of football. Your QB is getting butchered out there. I don't care who you put back there at QB, he's gonna get sacked. It's a shame that w/ all of that talent they just can't get the job done. The plays suck, I'm surprised AJ even made it to the Pro Bowl last season, I think back on it I don't think AJ touched the ball ENOUGH and still isn't. But when he did, WOW!!! How often is the tight end used? This is probably going to end up becoming my signature until it happens consistently... WE WANT TO WIN!!!!

HoustonFan
09-12-2005, 10:58 PM
I agree. We may have disagreements about what is wrong with the team but Carr is an upstanding character guy.

I agree. Carr is a good guy. That was harsh callng him a piece of trash.

CowboysTexansFan
09-12-2005, 11:05 PM
The comment was harsh. Carr is a good person of high character.

Having said that, I am starting to have significant doubts about him as a franchise quarterback. Granted, the pass protection has been horrendous, but on those (rare) occasions when he has time, he holds the ball too long and doesn't seem as crisp as the top quarterbacks in the league.

I had aspirations he could be a Pro Bowl type player, and that's still possible if the protection and offensive schemes ever get any good, but I'm not so sure anymore. It may be that for all his athletic ability, he's simply going to be an average to slightly above-average QB. I hope I'm wrong.

Elite
09-12-2005, 11:12 PM
Coaching staff!Coaching staff!Coaching staff!
open your friggin eyes BOB!



Totally wrong dom capers or palmer are not out in the field locking down on one reciever or throwing 3 interceptions coaching can only take some blame for bad calls not for bad throws. it doesnt matter how much you want to believe david is a troy aikman in the making wich i heard that in the past and was totally funny lol.

bckey
09-13-2005, 12:08 AM
The comment was harsh. Carr is a good person of high character.

Having said that, I am starting to have significant doubts about him as a franchise quarterback. Granted, the pass protection has been horrendous, but on those (rare) occasions when he has time, he holds the ball too long and doesn't seem as crisp as the top quarterbacks in the league.

I had aspirations he could be a Pro Bowl type player, and that's still possible if the protection and offensive schemes ever get any good, but I'm not so sure anymore. It may be that for all his athletic ability, he's simply going to be an average to slightly above-average QB. I hope I'm wrong.

Read this post from another BB. It's another take on it.

LINK (http://www.texanstalk.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=news;action=display;num=1126532973)

HJam72
09-13-2005, 12:16 AM
Now THAT is a great post.

Here's my favorite part:

"I read where another GM said that if he were David Carr he'd sue Casserly for lack of support."

GP
09-13-2005, 12:36 AM
If I'm McNair...

I fire Capers after we get blown out at home against the Steelers.

I trade Carr for some first round draft picks, or for a better o lineman that's in the league right now.

I tell the new coach to lose every game the rest of the season. So, basically just keep things the way they are.

Then, with the first pick in next year's draft I take Matt Leinart of USC.

If I got a high first rounder with my Carr trade, I package other draft picks and trade up to get a top 10 o lineman in what is known as an o lineman rich draft.

We get a QB who has proven he can win under pressure. We get a new coach. We get a better o lineman or two, and we start this thing over again with a better situation than what we have at the moment.

HJam72
09-13-2005, 03:46 AM
I'd like to see Banks and Ragone against the Steelers, just to see what happens. Hey, we're gonna lose anyway. idonno:

Wolf
09-13-2005, 06:14 AM
I remember when we got into the shotgun and was sacked ..I believe it was the 3rd play of the game

bbills4life
09-13-2005, 07:21 AM
I personally think we will go out of our way to get some linemen in town. And we might have to overpay, but I don't see Carr leaving unless Ragone steps up.

I personally don't see us using a 1st rounder on another QB..it is a lineman

Y'all have needed an OL ever since you started in this league. In your 4th year your OL has yet to be addressed. That doesn't bode well for Carr. I feel downright sorry for the guy.

touttail
09-13-2005, 07:42 AM
bbills4life,

I agree. I said in an earlier post, I don't care what QB was taking snaps. They could not be effective with a swarm of defensive players attacking you. When you do have a little time, you are so shell shocked that you expect to get hit any moment!

bobby 119C :brickwall

BigBull17
09-13-2005, 08:01 AM
How long till our players with potential start to demand out of H Town?

Texas_Thrill
09-13-2005, 08:10 AM
I think we have to face the reality that Carr, Casserly, and Capers are linked. I think if you get rid of Carr you are essentially getting rid of Casserly and Capers. Now that being said I'm not sure if we get rid of Cass and Cap if that'll mean we are getting rid of Carr but it would be hard for me to see a new staff not doing so.

I think Cass and Capers shoulder the majority of the blame for our current offensive woes. Cass seems to want to bring back the Redskins of OLD when that thought process is out of date. Capers offenses in CAR were never good just good enough. Ours isn't even that.

I was done with these two when they said D. Johnson couldn't play in our system b/c he played in a 4-3 and then we went out and got a DT that played in a what....4-3. Then draft a BACKUP RB in the 3rd round with OL still available that had starting potential.

ALL THAT SAID..........ITS ONLY BEEN ONE GAME PEOPLE. LET'S JUST CALM DOWN. Maybe this week will be better. (It better be anyway.)

touttail
09-13-2005, 08:42 AM
I think we have to face the reality that Carr, Casserly, and Capers are linked.

Could this be the "C" mafia family that's hurting our team---LOL


bobby 119C

Texas_Thrill
09-13-2005, 09:02 AM
Ok I was BADLY mistaken. With the steelers in town let's just HOPE we don't get blown out by 50.....with their defense scoring 40 of the points.

Can you IMAGINE how many blitzes we'll see? I mean will how will the steelers even be able to sleep with that much excitement of sacks galore on the horizon.

There is a REAL possibility we start off 0-3 this year because Cincy is looking real good. We should beat the Titans for our first victory.

The whole NFL nation will see just how porous our o-line is when we play the seahawks on national tv.

Napalm
09-19-2005, 10:10 PM
I think the Texans should take a long hard look at themselves and step up and start taking responsibilities of their short comings. This "No Blame - No Responsibilty" attitude reminds me of "Pop-Warner Soccer"... We're all Winners!!! BullSHHH.... "Chris" Palmer should have been gone a long time ago! "Carr" should be right out the door behind him! This TEAM sold their souls to this kid, who no one ever even heard of in the collegiate conferences when he was drafted. (probably played at the junior college level - Chris Palmer was the scout). "Capers" should be fired for being asleep at the wheel. Even Helen Keller would have seen this train wreck coming. And finally, "Casserly" should have the ax as well, because he is in fact the "General Manager" and his job is the overall function and operation of the TEAM. To let his subordinates drive the start of this 4th season into the ground like a flaming yellow yard dart is an understatement. I am a season ticket holder, and to having to sit through these past two games of an "Elite NFL Organization" has left me jilted and jaded. THIS ORGANIZATION NEEDS TO GET THEIR ACT TOGETHER.

Elite
09-19-2005, 10:20 PM
I think the Texans should take a long hard look at themselves and step up and start taking responsibilities of their short comings. This "No Blame - No Responsibilty" attitude reminds me of "Pop-Warner Soccer"... We're all Winners!!! BullSHHH.... "Chris" Palmer should have been gone a long time ago! "Carr" should be right out the door behind him! This TEAM sold their souls to this kid, who no one ever even heard of in the collegiate conferences when he was drafted. (probably played at the junior college level - Chris Palmer was the scout). "Capers" should be fired for being asleep at the wheel. Even Helen Keller would have seen this train wreck coming. And finally, "Casserly" should have the ax as well, because he is in fact the "General Manager" and his job is the overall function and operation of the TEAM. To let his subordinates drive the start of this 4th season into the ground like a flaming yellow yard dart is an understatement. I am a season ticket holder, and to having to sit through these past two games of an "Elite NFL Organization" has left me jilted and jaded. THIS ORGANIZATION NEEDS TO GET THEIR ACT TOGETHER.


Thats what ive been saying all along this Great QB we have played at Best Pee-Wee football in college and that is sad. but argue with these :homer: 's they think david is the next coming of dan marino only 1,000,000,000 times better and that the funny thing or sad thing is david played for fresno state in the WAC wich Stand for Weak As$ conference and he still wasnt as good as trent dilfer was so that means Our Beloved Qb Could not do better than Trent dilfer ever did and thats not saying much. So Carr Lovers yall must think Trent Dilfer is a hall of famer. David should be charged with Robbery and Fraud All the money that their paying him.

Crank_It_Up
09-19-2005, 10:23 PM
... david is the next coming of dan marino only 1,000,000,000 times better ...agreed

Wolf
09-19-2005, 10:31 PM
I guess we are screwed then... Ragone is from Louisville .."small college" players don't make it to succeed in the NFL.. :rolleyes:

I for one think Carr can be solid IF they get his head on straight and get a scheme that fits his style of playing. The scheme whoever put together for this team, stinks.. esp when you can't get your playmaker the ball consistantly.


Maybe Capers will learn something out of this.. I mean it too Jeff Fisher to lose Eddie George to appreciate McNair's ability. (by no means comparing Carr to McNair.. but just saying we aren't using Carr's ability right)

BTW lets get an OL

Elite
09-19-2005, 10:41 PM
I guess we are screwed then... Ragone is from Louisville .."small college" players don't make it to succeed in the NFL.. :rolleyes:

I for one think Carr can be solid IF they get his head on straight and get a scheme that fits his style of playing. The scheme whoever put together for this team, stinks.. esp when you can't get your playmaker the ball consistantly.


Maybe Capers will learn something out of this.. I mean it too Jeff Fisher to lose Eddie George to appreciate McNair's ability. (by no means comparing Carr to McNair.. but just saying we aren't using Carr's ability right)

BTW lets get an OL


Some do but not carr Pee-Wee Football ever develops into nfl greatness.

touttail
09-20-2005, 07:51 AM
Noooooooooooo!
I don't think that David Carr has quit in him!


bobby 119C

Trapped
09-20-2005, 09:28 AM
From what i saw from Carson Palmer, im liking them USC QB's, I have officially gave up on Carr. If we are to ever be winners, i think he needs to pull a Drew Brees or number 8 is not on our team.

Trade Carr before the trade deadline for whatever we can get. Start Ragone, most likely he will fall too, then by that time we will have a 1-15 season then we draft Matt Leinert. Let's Sabotage this season!!!, ahaah, naw im serious. Darn Carr is untradable cuz his salery to high

Carr needs to go, the Front Office needs to Go, the WHole Oline needs to go.

Marcus
10-03-2005, 08:45 AM
I don't think it will up to Carr. I don't see McNair exercising Carr's option. Especially if he cleans out the current coaching staff.

WWJD
10-03-2005, 10:02 AM
Take it for what it's worth but all the guys on 610 including John McClain have said it's a done deal that the Texans hang on to David by paying his bonus. I'd be one to explore the possibilities of going in another direction but supposedly the guys in the "know" think they won't make a change. And I don't know enough about another direction to even know if that would be wise. I'm not that familiar with other QB's in the league or guys coming up in the draft other than the obvious..Leinart.

HoustonFan
10-03-2005, 10:13 AM
I hope that Carr would stay. I think if he had the right coaching after the 1st 2 seasons that folks wouldn't be on his *** like they've been. At the end of the day and season it is a business. I hope DC would stay. I think that things from this point will actually turn around for the better. Anything can happen on Sunday.

MorKnolle
10-03-2005, 11:30 AM
We have only played three games this season, we looked better last game, and we have two weak defenses the next two weeks for our offense to continue to improve on. Look at our remaining schedule, we have a legitimate chance of finishing 8-8. Coming into this season I predicted we would be 1-2 right now with our one win coming at Cincy, and I didn't think they would be 4-0 right now, so this is where we were projected to be at this point. Leinart would not be any more capable of running this team than Carr, and in bringing him in you would basically forfeit the chances of having a good team for the next 2-3 seasons in addition to dumping the rest of this season. I can't believe fans of our team are suggesting that we intentionally lose the rest of our games. That is contrary to the entire purpose of playing sports.