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supertankman
09-12-2005, 12:06 AM
Choose what solution will produce results now...

a. They stop playing it safe and quit being conservative

b. They fire the coaching staff

c. They change QB'S

d. They upgrade the OL

c. They add another great receiver next to AJ

d. They fire Palmer and rehire another Offensive Cord.

disaacks3
09-12-2005, 12:08 AM
Choose what solution will produce results now...

a. They stop playing it safe and quit being conservative

b. They fire the coaching staff

c. They change QB'S

d. They upgrade the OL

c. They add another great receiver next to AJ

d. They fire Palmer and rehire another Offensive Cord.What the **** happened to options E & F?

Grid
09-12-2005, 12:12 AM
im gonna go with B.

Fangio's D isnt getting pressure despite the energy we have put into it, and the boatload of talent in our secondary is going to waste.

Palmer's offense is a joke.. im not sure what his plan is with this O he is running.. but maybe he should spend a few years practicing with a pee wee team before he brings it to a professional level.

Capers.. I LIKE capers.. i really do.. but I honestly wonder if he is capable of leading a team. It doesnt look like we are out there to win sometimes. For a team to be effective.. especially a team that is running on a defensive mindset.. the players have to trust the coach to make the right decisions and get them the win. There are only so many times you can have one of these dismal performances before the team loses faith in the coaching staff's ability to get them the W. I think this team has lost faith in Capers and the other coaches and we need a fresh start.


I cant beleive im typing this junk. I hate(d) posts like this for the last 3 years.. but this loss was just unexcusable. I thought the loss to the Browns was as bad as it could get.. but this is much worse. We are a team that is still learning to win.. and it looks like we have been sleeping in class all offseason.

no...progress...at...all...

BREAZE
09-12-2005, 12:19 AM
B. No problem going for it on 4th and goal early in the game resulting in a TD. With under 6min left in the game down by 2 TDs we decide to throw in the towel and punt. And we wonder why the players are ill prepared and inconsistent?

HJam72
09-12-2005, 12:21 AM
Choose what solution will produce results now...

a. They stop playing it safe and quit being conservative

b. They fire the coaching staff

c. They change QB'S

d. They upgrade the OL

c. They add another great receiver next to AJ

d. They fire Palmer and rehire another Offensive Cord.

d.

That O-line is making everyone else on the offense look bad. They're also deflated. The defense is getting tired because they're on the field too much. Carr is running for his life. He even has to roll out and score the only TD on his own and that is not unusual at all. Today, they didn't even run block. I was actually impressed with the performances of DD and Carr, considering they had no blocking at all. The were NO holes to run through and the D was in the backfield. Right now, I want Casserly's head. We need blockers.

I know Casserly is the one person we don't like to talk about firing around here, but I'm tired of watching the QB run for his life and it's definitely a lack of blocking ability. It's not a learning curve. It's not the head coaching (I mean the line problem). It's just the simple fact that our O-line is NOT NFL calibur.

Cheroqui
09-12-2005, 12:42 AM
1)They start Mathis over Bradford to give a double threat with Andre and do whatever THE HELL they want with Jabbar and Corey in a position battle for the slot receiver.

2)Stop being conservative about everything

3)Watch other teams utilize the 3-4 and figure out how to get pressure or confuse people. (Watch the Ravens confuse Peyton Manning and limit the 35-49pt wins they are used to)

4)Play 3-4 WR sets and use those TE's like all the other teams that try and get it done. (Chargers, Packers, Cheifs, Giants, Dolphins, Eagles, Falcons, half-the-league, etc...)

5)Take their chances on experimenting with and pick up a vet/free agent or a released/contract expired player like a Peerless Price, or change that 4 HB spot, drop one and try someone like an Eddie George before the week 6 deadline.

Elite
09-12-2005, 01:38 AM
ill go with A B and C :cool:

Malloy
09-12-2005, 02:12 AM
I think what happened is that the so-called "new playbook" went missing 5 min before last night's game. Palmer had to bring fourth the old one, dust it off. He opened it and first page had this DD run up the middle....

willy
09-12-2005, 04:53 AM
Choose what solution will produce results now...

a. They stop playing it safe and quit being conservative

b. They fire the coaching staff

c. They change QB'S

d. They upgrade the OL

c. They add another great receiver next to AJ

d. They fire Palmer and rehire another Offensive Cord.

Im going to choose A and D, like a start. We will have to do D2 if we not start to be more bold... and we will have to choose C if we not choose D, cause our starting Qb gonna die...

Willy

WWJD
09-12-2005, 04:57 AM
I really think the offense needs a big infusion of confidence. Somebody, anybody has to start making big plays and getting this thing rolling. David literally runs for his life sometimes and he got nailed twice that I saw and I was fast forwarding over much of the game.

I'm impressed with the rookie QB of the Bills.

Malloy
09-12-2005, 05:19 AM
When the O stops being so easy to predict...

BREAZE
09-12-2005, 08:37 AM
Ok...I'm getting sick and tired of everyone thinking we need to start a new qb. It is fricking ridiculous. Here is what I got from the game:

1) Our D played damn good football. How many times did we stop them from getting a touchdown and hold them to a field goal? The D was put in a ****py position having to bail out a horrible offense. Look...if I am correct, we didn't give up a rush over 10 yards till late in the second quarter, or the beginning of the third. Don't know for sure. Lossman threw the ball, like twice all game towards D'Rob, and he was on Moulds for the most part when playing man D. Did they give up 22 points, yes...but how man times did the Buff O get the ball within our 50, or other great field position?

2) Palmer needs to be fired, Capers needs to be moved just to D-Coordinator, and we need to bring in a offensive head coach, somebody with a little bit of ba**s, flare, and creativity.

3. What were the main complaints this off-season; did not address the o-line, need a 2nd WR to compliment AJ? Yeah...I belive those were it, along with other things, but I believe those were the main ones.
AJ said it best when other people missed assignments. Hell, even my wife, who isn't a huge fan of football was asking me why Gaffney was running a sprint instead of trying to catch the ball that hit him in the shoulder. Damn ball would have been in his bread-basket.

4) The o-line cost us the game by not protecting Carr. Carr was sacked how many times from his strong side, not his blind side. Talk about missed assignments. Look, Buff D was outstanding, but there is no reason why we shouldn't have moved the ball a little bit easier than what we did. Carr had barely half a second to make a decision I'd say, at least 75% of the time he dropped back. An absolute embarressment. I wouldn't have minded giving up a first round pick for this years draft and next years draft for Pace...it would been worth it and would have made the game a little more interesting.

I'm still troubled by that there are people out their that think we need to start a different QB. When, reaslistically, has Carr been given the chance to succeed when he knew he had decent protection? None of you can answer that because he has NEVER HAD DECENT PROTECTION. He's been on the run since his first snap against Dallas in '02. Man, if I'm Carr, and I make it through this season, I'm going up to McNair and telling him if he doesn't shake things up with the o-line, I don't play till they do.


I've been going to bat for Carr for a while now. Joe Montana would look bad with this protection and the verdict is still out on what Carr's potential is given an good O-Line. However, some of these throws as of late have been really bad. Bills safety Troy Vincent, who had two of the three interceptions, said Carr looks at some receivers too long before delivering the ball. There is plenty of blame to go around. No one is excluded...

Runner
09-12-2005, 08:49 AM
The Texans will start winning more games when...

...the coaches put the best players on the field. Forget names or salaries, put the best players on the field, or even the team. Hollings? Come on already.

Also, the coaches allow a mentaility of "I'm a starter, I'll play". Take training camp injuries for instance. If you're a big name starter, you can sit out much of camp with a "sore hamstring" and not be penalized. Is that leadership? Hold these guys accountable! What's wrong with "if you miss half of camp, you miss half of the first game".

When a player goes down in pre-season, the first sentence is "Player X sprained a Y". The second sentence is always "but he'll be ready for opening day". I'm all for resting real injuries, but hey, if three weeks isn't enough to recover, sit out the first game to make sure you are OK.

The team is supposed to use camp to learn how to play together. If the coaches allow players to sit out with a wink and a nod, it hurts the team. Yes, it's just practice, but obviously some of our units lack in communication that comes from playing together.

See Victor Riley's quotes on communication here:
http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/sports/3349457

Porky
09-12-2005, 08:53 AM
Choose what solution will produce results now...

a. They stop playing it safe and quit being conservative

b. They fire the coaching staff

c. They change QB'S

d. They upgrade the OL

c. They add another great receiver next to AJ

d. They fire Palmer and rehire another Offensive Cord.

E - All of the above, and a few more to boot.

TexansFanatic
09-12-2005, 09:16 AM
GRID: I cant beleive im typing this junk. I hate(d) posts like this for the last 3 years.. but this loss was just unexcusable.

My sentiments exactly. I feel like I've been pretty patient. But this is year four. This is when the team should start showing real improvement and consistency, building on the foundation from previous seasons. This might as well have been their first game ever---it looks like we're starting from scratch. How many ridiculous penalties? How many turnovers? I didn't see any sign of cohesion or discipline yesterday. This was a disaster, plain and simple. The defense did an admirable job considering what they were handed by the offense. Pity David Carr. This kid has the tools to be one of the premier players in this league, but we've asked him to go out and get creamed on every down by handing him the crappiest protection collecting an NFL check.

Something needs to change, and something BIG.

Championship teams are built around GREAT OFFENSIVE LINES. This team is going nowhere with this offensive line....

SBTexans08
09-12-2005, 09:33 AM
E - All of the above, and a few more to boot.

I concur! :brickwall

TexansFanatic
09-12-2005, 09:36 AM
In answer to the question:

a. They stop playing it safe and quit being conservative
If you play it close to the vest, you can just as easily lose in the final minutes as win. Go out and play to win. Don't play not to lose!

b. They fire the coaching staff
The whole coaching staff? No. The defense wasn't to blame here....

c. They change QB'S
The quarterback can't be blamed when he's getting his a** kicked on every down....


d. They upgrade the OL
Definitely. The Texans will never compete with this line!

c. They add another great receiver next to AJ
This is a LOT less important than the O-line. Sure, it would be nice to have another star receiver. But how many teams have even so much as one receiver of AJ's caliber?

d. They fire Palmer and rehire another Offensive Cord.
I think I'm ready to jump on board the FIRE PALMER band wagon.....

texan_fan
09-12-2005, 09:55 AM
Choose what solution will produce results now...

a. They stop playing it safe and quit being conservative

b. They fire the coaching staff

c. They change QB'S

d. They upgrade the OL

c. They add another great receiver next to AJ

d. They fire Palmer and rehire another Offensive Cord.

A) They've needed to do that for the last two years.
B) Capers knows how to build teams, not take them to the next level. I don't think he has it in him to go where we want to...
C) The ONLY reason I can see to change QB's is if they don't get my damn O line fixed. Why risk David's health???
D) DUH. ANY upgrade would be welcome at this point. We look like the school of the blind out there.
E*) Sorry, guys, but Gaffney's not it.
F*) THANK YOU. I don't know WHAT that man is thinking! *3rd and 12, let's run the ball!* We are so damn predictable ( at making the WRONG decisions ) that I'm beginning to see flashes of Red, White, and Columbia blue on the field.... :brickwall

TheOgre
09-12-2005, 10:19 AM
Defense - I thought the defense did okay considering they spent so much time on the field and so much of it on OUR end of it. The pass-rush is still an issue. We should have been pressuring Losman all day long. You will see him struggle a lot more when he goes against a blitzing team. Also, guys (Peek and Wong) need to come up with the INT's when they are hit in the hands.

Special teams - they had good coverage against one of the best return teams in the league. You really cannot gauge the kicking game since he was on the field all of 3 plays (two of them kick offs). Stanley remains an asset. I still think we should have kept Reggie Swinton as our return man. He is explosive. That said Morency and DD had above average return yards, and PB was okay on punts too.

Offense - The blame can go all the way around. AJ was getting double or triple teamed, so you would assume the other receivers would be open. This was not the case. The line got pushed around and/or run around. The edge rushers made the tackles look like revolving doors. The interior line seemed to be bunched up on every rushing play. The play calling was pop warner level. Carr looked like he had the confidence of a fat, pimple-faced teenager asking out the eventual prom queen. I couldn't really make a read on DD because he spent the entire game in the backfield blocking or getting tackled.
The problem I am having is determining whether the issue is talent or scheme. I am afraid the blame lies on both, but moreso on scheme.

This is just one game. There is plenty of time to reverse our fortunes, but there were too many elements wrong offensively. If we play like this much of the season, I expect us to enter 2006 with a new offensive coordinator, new OLT, and replacements for a few other underachieving/undertalented positions.

Runner
09-12-2005, 10:29 AM
Offense
The problem I am having is determining whether the issue is talent or scheme. I am afraid the blame lies on both, but moreso on scheme.

If we play like this much of the season, I expect us to enter 2006 with a new offensive coordinator, new OLT, and replacements for a few other underachieving/undertalented positions.

I used to think talent, but now I'm thinking coaching/scheme. The players are asked to do the same thing every week, and it keeps not working. Change something! Our o-lineman have strengths and weaknesses, but no adjustments are being made, or the adjustements aren't given a chance to work. Instead, we inject a new player in the line to make it look like we did something.

I see lots of calls for a new LT, but that won't correct the poor O-line coaching. If Orlando Pace had been at LT yesterday, what would have changed?

Txn_in_Oki
09-12-2005, 11:07 AM
It just seems like a lack of motivation to me. The talent is there but they don't have anyone kicking them in the backside. Capers seems like a nice guy but nice never won anything. Some one needs to come in and get in their faces. I'm not a Parcells fan but if someone screws up he gets in their face and lets them know. Plus he isn't afraid to have someone ride the pine.

From the limited games that I have seen Carr seems to have the tools but the O-line is killing him. He is totally gun shy and expects to get his head taken off on every play. The same thing will happen to Banks or Ragone.

These guys need to be motivated and have a little fear for their jobs put into them. If I'm the owner, I don't fire anyone, not yet, I want to see what they do against the Steelers. We can assume they are going to lose but I would base my decision on performance, if they fall flat in a game they should be up for then I start firing people. The bye week gives a little bit of leway and time to prep.