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Hervoyel
09-11-2005, 11:51 PM
It's 10:15 at night. Basically 7 hours after the Bills finished wiping the stadium with the Texans and I can't get over how mad I am. Since this team showed up I can't remember a single moment where I felt worse about them and where they were going than right now. It's worse now than it was an hour ago. An hour ago it was worse than when the game ended. It just keeps building up steam inside me.

This isn't like last years loss to Cleveland and it's not like the slap downs we had in Denver and Indianapolis last season either. It's so far beyond any loss from 2002 or 2003 that they aren't even worth mentioning.

This was humiliating to watch. This was something the Oilers would manufacture. That idiotic look on Dom Capers face as the game wore on could have been lifted right off of Jack Pardees face during the whipping they got at the hands of Jerry Glanvilles Falcons in his first game. Just that bovine, uncomprehending, vacant stare as his team imploded before his eyes despite all the work he'd done in camp.

More important than that this was avoidable. This isn't year one or year two. This isn't a team with an injury list a mile long. This team has had plenty of time to get deep and built. They've been through four drafts and four free agent periods. If they don't have the horses to play in this league it's the fault of the guy putting this train wreck together. It's because Charlie Casserly spends too much time trying to be the "personnel genius" and not enough time doing the obvious. Use the picks Charlie! How hard is that to do? Stop trading them for people who don't produce and who aren't worth the position you take them at. We don't need a riverboat gambler bartering picks away and giving our division rivals the rest of our second day. We need to draft wisely and not out-think ourselves.

Was Jason Babin worth the picks you gave away? Was Buchanon worth the picks you gave away? Does the 3 you got for Drew Henson make up for all the picks you've thrown away on guys you overrated? Did the Texans really need to spend that pick on Dave Ragone while so many journeymen signal callers were out there looking for work? Don't answer that last one because it might just give away something a lot of us have been concerned about for some time now. Exactly how sure are you that the David Carr pick was the way to go? Why did you go and grab a backup so fast after that? Was it because you knew you were going to beat this kid to death before the rest of the team was ready? Is it because in retrospect you think maybe he isn't going to be the guy after all?

You wasted that pick on Ragone but then you also wasted the one on David Carr as well. If you weren't going to put a line in front of him you had no business picking him in that first draft and I think it's safe to say that what the Texans did between 2002 and today is a pathetic excuse of trying to build an offensive line. Tony Boselli didn't work out. Ryan Young didn't work out. Fred Weary didn't work out. Milford Brown didn't work out. An entire host of scrubs have been in and out of our camp since the day you opened it and still, to this day nobody can consistently run block or pass block for the skill players on this team. You didn't get Orlando Pace but you know what? That's your fault not his. The word is that Orlando played you to get more money from the Rams but that's only because you weren't willing to overpay to get it done.

That's right, I said "overpay" because if the Texans were serious about putting a line in front of David Carr after 76, 36, and 49 sack seasons then they'd overpay for the kind of player that Orlando Pace is. The team should have given him stupid money to come to Houston but they didn't. Instead they're spreading out the stupid money to guys like Chester Pitts, who despite being fairly ordinary is at least the best we have here today. They're spending stupid money on Domanick Davis who broke a long run of 7 whole yards today and finished the afternoon with a whopping 48 yards.

I'd like to make something perfectly clear to Mr McNair. We already have one cheap as hell owner in Houston. We don't need two. Drayton does a good enough job of "almost" getting it done. We expect you and your team to get it done. There's a time and a place to overpay and when you say that protecting David Carr is your top priority going into the 2005 season then that's when you overpay if need be. By doing so your protecting your investment in David Carr. If the truth be told you should have done this two years ago. The fact that it's 2005 and this is still a problem makes you look like Drayton McLane. That's not a good thing.

Dom and Staff listen up. I've seen bad football before and if I wanted to keep paying to see it then I'd never have let the Oilers leave town. You need to understand that because a very significant portion of the football watching public in this town feels just about like that. Sure we all love the logo and we enjoy the gameday experience. If you think todays effort had some postives though I'm here to tell you that you're soon to be a member of Bum Phillips famous first catagory of coaches; "Them that's been fired" You're already default members of his second catagory; "Them that's gonna be fired".

Typing all that above hasn't made me feel one bit better. I didn't purge a thing in there. I wonder how long I'm going to stay mad about this loss. I wonder if Bob McNair is mad about this loss. I wonder if Dom Capers or Chris Palmer are mad about his loss. Mostly I wonder how I'm going to feel next week watching the Steelers kick the stuffing out of these tomato cans we've got on our offensive line. Hey I might not even make it through this season. My blood pressure is probably off the charts right now and who knows. Maybe when we're in the middle of getting our heads handed to us by Jamie Sharper and the Seattle Seahawks I'll keel over with a stroke.

If it saves me from seeing another performance like today then fine by me.

gr8slayer
09-11-2005, 11:53 PM
I know how you feel. Try being a fan of a team who lost four SB's. Things will get better once you get rid of Capers and hire Jerry Gray.

WildBlackBear32
09-11-2005, 11:59 PM
I know how you feel. Try being a fan of a team who lost four SB's. Things will get better once you get rid of Capers and hire Jerry Gray.

You should be happy just GETTING to 4 super bowls.

FILO_girl
09-12-2005, 12:01 AM
Chill Hervoyel. Look at it this way.
We could be in the Ram's shoes. :embarrass

HoustonHarley
09-12-2005, 12:01 AM
Well at least someone feels the pain I am feeling. And to top it all off, I have no lot to park in next week. I already know I will have to have many adult beverages before the Steelers game.

HoustonHarley
09-12-2005, 12:04 AM
Chill Hervoyel. Look at it this way.
We could be in the Ram's shoes. :embarrass

After today's performance, it could be worse than being in the Ram's shoes. We may be the 49ers of last year. I saw zero confidence or desire on our beloved teams face today. That is not an easy thing to get back.

Hervoyel
09-12-2005, 12:05 AM
To top it all off I just listened to Bob Allen interview Charlie Casserly and not one word he said came across to me as sincere. I don't know about the rest of you but I really think I've lost whatever confidence I had in this "administration". All I could think of as he was answering that big ol softball that Bob Allen lobbed him was, well I can't really repeat any of what I was thinking (and saying).

BuffSoldier
09-12-2005, 12:07 AM
Im not sure I feel YOUR pain, but I feel something like that. :brickwall :crying:

Elite
09-12-2005, 12:07 AM
we are all dissapointed harley i guess some us still had hope we were better that a pee-wee fotball team but things will get better if not know next season i predict a whole new front office and coaching staff. :cool:

Fiddy
09-12-2005, 12:09 AM
Only a dream... (http://store.houstontexans.com/product/index.jsp?productId=1862013&sName=YOUNG&sNumber=10&step=setCustomJersey&cp=716711)
Admit it, it looks real gooooooooooooood right about now.


Young to Johnson...TOUCHDOWN.


Carr is 4 years into his career and still cant read a defense. I'm tired of this dumping it down to Davis ****. Sick and tired of it. Especially when he doesnt look at anyone else and dumps it down to him. The ball that hit Gaff was because Gaff was like "Woah, a ball. Thrown my way. By Dave. We must be out of it."

the wonger need food
09-12-2005, 12:12 AM
Only a dream... (http://store.houstontexans.com/product/index.jsp?productId=1862013&sName=YOUNG&sNumber=10&step=setCustomJersey&cp=716711)
Admit it, it looks real gooooooooooooood about right now.

Sweet. Leinert wouldn't be bad either.

FILO_girl
09-12-2005, 12:13 AM
After today's performance, it could be worse than being in the Ram's shoes. We may be the 49ers of last year. I saw zero confidence or desire on our beloved teams face today. That is not an easy thing to get back.

I watched the same game. It is season game ONE. Dooming the team for the rest of the season already?

Yep, we stunk. We stunk bad. Ugly stunk. And it does suck. BUT...we will be at home on the 18th (well, maybe not you or I...but most fans will be) and we will see if they pulled their proverbial heads out of their cracks and decided to become the team they should be. A wake up call, of sorts.

We do play the 40 whiners and I hope we don't look like the Rams doing it.

I am so amazed at the tone on these threads. Y'all have fired everyone except the water boy. Is this just oversight or is he your planned replacement for Carr, Capers or Palmer? :)

Before roasting me in posts, PM and sending me back to ridin' the pine...read the sarcasm in this and the light hearted attempt at humor.

Hervoyel
09-12-2005, 12:16 AM
I have overlooked the many transgressions of the water boy in my previous rantings. Suffice to say that in a change of leadership the water boy will no longer be able to underachieve as he has under Capers and Palmer. He's outta here!

HoustonHarley
09-12-2005, 12:22 AM
I totally understand what you are saying. My biggest concern is the look on the faces of everyone. I remember that look when I played a time or two.
I will be there for sure Sept 18 and one of two things will happen. One we bounce back and show that we are a team and can face adversity, or two we get completly rocked again. If the latter happens, our season is shot and the waterboy isn't a bad option. Maybe team him up with Burger King, DPM and even pick up Minute Man Train guy to start at OL.

HJam72
09-12-2005, 12:29 AM
I'm not sure, but I think the waterboy may be our best blocker. We might need to keep him.

LoneStarState
09-12-2005, 12:30 AM
I saw we bring in that little league team that played at halftime during the Oakland game. At least they could move the ball...

HoustonHarley
09-12-2005, 12:32 AM
I saw we bring in that little league team that played at halftime during the Oakland game. At least they could move the ball...

Now we are talking. And did you see that QB throw? Amazing what you can do with a little time.

COOL V
09-12-2005, 12:34 AM
Sorry again,

I just got word that the Waterboy might be released. Help!!!

Fiddy
09-12-2005, 12:36 AM
Sorry again,

I just got word that the Waterboy might be released. Help!!! We could use Adam Sandler...

at LB
http://www.cineclub.de/images/waterboy1.jpg

or QB
http://blogimg.goo.ne.jp/user_image/4e/78/59e2002776fa7be80d9ba12030818315.jpg

COOL V
09-12-2005, 12:40 AM
The question now is what are we Texans Fans going to do about getting a new coaching staff??? The whole thing needs to be overhauled. From the head coach to the Stadium ticket takers. We will be okay, it's only going to take a few more years...a few more years...a few more years... By the way has anyone checked on Hervoyel? Trust me I feel the same except about Domanick Davis, he's a slow starter that will come through in the end. Anyone who says Preseason doesn't mean a thing is dead wrong. It sets the tone for the regular season as we've seen today. How many turnovers did we have??? How'd those stinking Colts do???

HoustonHarley
09-12-2005, 12:42 AM
You can do it......You can do it all night long!

Corrosion
09-12-2005, 12:42 AM
How about we hire the Water Boy as the head coach and Offensive Coordinator ? :texflag:

Hervoyel .... This is the team Ive been complaining about since the begining of camp .... People told me my thinking was Flawed ... Well , it isnt . This team sucks and so does the coaching staff ..... After this 5-11 (or worse) season that Capers and Co. give us ..... Maybe Mr. McNair will get his head outa his can and FIRE THE LOT ! :bomb:

Capers you can pack your bags and leave them close to the door ... Palmer and Fangio ... same for you . You guy's may not even see the end of the season at this rate .


Water Boy for Head Coach ! :texans:

Hervoyel
09-12-2005, 12:42 AM
We could use Adam Sandler...

at LB
http://www.cineclub.de/images/waterboy1.jpg

or QB
http://blogimg.goo.ne.jp/user_image/4e/78/59e2002776fa7be80d9ba12030818315.jpg

Someone needs to go out there and talk to Babin.

"Ok now Jason, what would Captain Insano do to the runningback?"

Fiddy
09-12-2005, 12:46 AM
Someone needs to go out there and talk to Babin.

"Ok now Jason, what would Captain Insano do to the runningback?" I just woke up everyone in my house with my laugh. Instant classic.

HoustonHarley
09-12-2005, 12:49 AM
The good news is we are laughing now. This is a very good step in the right direction.

COOL V
09-12-2005, 12:50 AM
Just don't turn on ESPN or pick up a newspaper. I'm thinking of selling my Carr jerseys on eBay. Hope I don't have to pay someone to pick them up. I'll just get a custom one made.

gr8slayer
09-12-2005, 12:51 AM
Wow, Willis outgained the whole Texan team in total yards.

Fiddy
09-12-2005, 12:52 AM
Wow, Willis outgained the whole Texan team in total yards. Yeah, but Willis didnt get me a freaking TD in my fantasy league!!! :brickwall

Corrosion
09-12-2005, 12:54 AM
Wow, Willis outgained the whole Texan team in total yards.


Tampa Bay MB is waiting for you .....http://bbs.buccaneers.com/ :tomato:

COOL V
09-12-2005, 12:55 AM
DD is still a much better back, wait until the end of the season when Willis has only 800+ yds to DDs 1,244 or so.

HoustonHarley
09-12-2005, 12:55 AM
I think we should all turn ESPN off. I knew someone would bring that stat up. I am popping in The Waterboy.

aphia1996
09-12-2005, 12:56 AM
Hey My Fellow Texans, I feel your pain and it really hurts to see our team play like they did today against the Bills. This is the first time I saw our team play without any emotion. They just seemed empty, didn't care, poor coaching all around and I don't know what it is because this was the first game of the year. I really thought the (Faster) D was going to be much improved but they were beaten down and Phillip B. was a bust out there today. He alone made JP whatever his name is look like a Pro Bowl QB. While on our side of the ball the team just let the Bills DL, LB and anyone else in to hit Carr. I know some think David can't ready a Defense but you have to have time to read and you have to have recievers in the game even if it is just one pass! I was just ugly all around and I hope and pray this was just one bad week and the team will WAKE UP for next week. If they don't....Whoa..it is going to be a blow out at the hand of the Steelers!!! I also think the Texans lost an emotional leader when A. Glenn was let go. The only player I saw out there with heart was D. Robertson. He was the ONE AND ONLY bright spot of our game.


DOM, Chris Palmer, O~line, D~line and the rest of the Texans we still believe and support you but please WAKE UP, WAKE UP, WAKE UP!!!!


Geaux Texans

James H.
Houston, Texas

COOL V
09-12-2005, 01:01 AM
This is the first time I saw our team play without any emotion. You're saying this team really is Doms' Team, cause he has no emotion the team has taken on his characteristics. Thank You Bob Mcnair fo bringing football back to Houston, but I wish you would have never brought Dom And Charley here. They should be making Ice Cream(Like Ben & Jerry's) or have a show in Vegas(Jerry Lewis & Dean Martin) or something. They certainly do not know how to manage a football team.

Hervoyel
09-12-2005, 01:09 AM
It's a good thing we're laughing about it. I agree with that sentiment. I'm just going to say one more serious thing here about todays game and then I'm done with the post-mortem on this one.

Today I stopped being in favor of Cass and Capers succeeding. I can't wish failure on them because I love the Texans but I no longer care if they succeed. I think the sooner they're gone the sooner we have a chance of going in the right direction and getting some people in here who can win. I heard someone on TV talking about the Patriots the other night. I think it was while the game was on but I don't remember honestly.

The guy talking said something that stuck with me. He said that anyone can find players with the tools to get it done but the Patriots have been focusing on players who want to get it done. That reminded me of the world famous and renowned judge of talent Mike Holovak.

The Oilers and the Chronicle used to love to do that football-human interest story about what an incredible judge of talent Mike Holovak was. They'd point to all these guys who ran the 40 in such-and-such time that Mike found in the late rounds and they'd talk about the incredible line he drafted. I never bought it though. The Oilers line was built out of first rounders and anybody could have made those picks. All those late round steals he found were there for a reason. They were screw ups who were immature, undisciplined, and made stupid mistakes in crunch time. Sure they were all fast and had loads of physical tools but you wouldn't want many of them on your team. There was always somebody better out there though who wasn't as fast or as strong, who couldn't jump as high or who didn't quite match the perfect size you wanted at that spot. That guy always beat our talented late round gems because he was like the players who this guy was talking about The players who want to get it done. Buffalo came back on the Oilers with guys like that. That Oiler team was loaded from top to bottom with players who were almost across the board better physical specimens than their counterparts on the other side but those guys had that thing inside them that wouldn't let them quit.

I hate to see the Texans load up on athletically gifted losers and I'm hoping that Buchanon for instance isn't one of them. Mostly I'm hoping that our current coaches and front office people aren't like the Oilers coaches and front office people back then. I'm hoping they can see the difference between a player with the tools and a player with the heart. From this past off-seasons moves I worry that they can't see the difference.

If they can't then I don't want them here. I'd rather back another team than go down that road again like I did with the Oilers.

aggieNzona
09-12-2005, 01:12 AM
I'm tired of this dumping it down to Davis ****. Sick and tired of it. Especially when he doesnt look at anyone else and dumps it down to him.

Get used to it that is the new brilliant offense the coaching staff came up with in the off season! :goodnight

gr8slayer
09-12-2005, 01:15 AM
DD is still a much better back, wait until the end of the season when Willis has only 800+ yds to DDs 1,244 or so.
Sure. If it makes you feel any better about being *****ed today keep thinking that.

COOL V
09-12-2005, 01:16 AM
You know that new brilliant offense will be Dom and Charleys' scape goat. Dom will again say Patience, we're learning the new offense. B.S. Capie!!! Results, let me spell it for him R-E-S-U-L-T-S not excuses!!!

Fiddy
09-12-2005, 01:17 AM
DD is still a much better back, wait until the end of the season when Willis has only 800+ yds to DDs 1,244 or so. I'm laughing uncontrolably at that statement. Sorry.

gr8slayer
09-12-2005, 01:18 AM
McGahee started half as many games last year and finished just behind Davis in rushing. You all overrate that fruit. He sucks.

gr8slayer
09-12-2005, 01:19 AM
McGahee also had 7 - 100 yard rushing games in nine games to DD's 4 in 16.

It was actually more like 7 100 yard games in eight games because he left in the first quarter of the Cincy game last year.

He also didnt finish the Baltimore game.

COOL V
09-12-2005, 01:19 AM
Like I said in an earlier post The Bills will be at the Super Bowl alongside the Colts watching the Class Of The AFC (Patriots) kicking A** Yeah Baby!!! We'll be watching 'em too!!! Seats 1-53 Row 88 Section FF

HoustonHarley
09-12-2005, 01:20 AM
McGahee started half as many games last year and finished just behind Davis in rushing. You all overrate that fruit. He sucks.

Go home Troll! We could give a rats rear about McGahee.

Fiddy
09-12-2005, 01:21 AM
I dont want to hear about Davis' yards totals anymore. I really dont. I'm tried of it. Davis picked up 34 garbage yards in the 2nd half which did squat for the game. He also had a nice little 6 yard run to end the 2nd half. Those 40 yards meant nothing to the game, but I will hear about them all season.

In my books, Davis had 8 rushing yards today.

gr8slayer
09-12-2005, 01:23 AM
Like I said in an earlier post The Bills will be at the Super Bowl alongside the Colts watching the Class Of The AFC (Patriots) kicking A** Yeah Baby!!! We'll be watching 'em too!!! Seats 1-53 Row 88 Section FF
Its fine, people like you make it all that much more fun to destroy teams like Houston.

COOL V
09-12-2005, 01:27 AM
Yep, we were totally destroyed, but we'll be back someday. I'm not sure which is worse losing four Super Bowls or Never making it to the Super Bowl. Hopefully when we do make it, we will have a better record than you guys and represent our conference well. Get ready for snow, it's coming. I guess JP is the second coming of Montana...Nah

Fiddy
09-12-2005, 01:29 AM
Yep, we were totally destroyed, but we'll be back someday. I'm not sure which is worse losing four Super Bowls or Never making it to the Super Bowl. Hopefully when we do make it, we will have a better record than you guys and represent our conference well. Get ready for snow, it's coming. I guess JP is the second coming of Montana...Nah You do know all he has to do is say "35-3" and not mention another word???

gr8slayer
09-12-2005, 01:29 AM
Yep, we were totally destroyed, but we'll be back someday. I'm not sure which is worse losing four Super Bowls or Never making it to the Super Bowl. Hopefully when we do make it, we will have a better record than you guys and represent our conference well. Get ready for snow, it's coming. I guess JP is the second coming of Montana...Nah
Now your just trying to bring up other subjects (JP) to try and make yourself look better. You are a defeated person.

gr8slayer
09-12-2005, 01:30 AM
You do know all he has to do is say "35-3" and not mention another word???
Yeah, but that would be hitting below the belt. :)

HoustonHarley
09-12-2005, 01:32 AM
Shouldn't you Bills fans be high fiving on the Bills board?

gr8slayer
09-12-2005, 01:36 AM
Shouldn't you Bills fans be high fiving on the Bills board?
Been doing it all day. Its just fun to come back to the board that bashed me all week.

HoustonHarley
09-12-2005, 01:37 AM
Location: Dallas, TX
Age: 21

...........enough said!

gr8slayer
09-12-2005, 01:39 AM
Location: Dallas, TX
Age: 21

...........enough said!
HoustonHarley = Houston Texan = Masochist

gr8slayer
09-12-2005, 01:42 AM
I know your education level is that of trailer park trash but dont take too long trying to look "masochist" up in the dictionary.

Vinny
09-12-2005, 01:45 AM
I know your education level is that of trailer park trash but dont take too long trying to look "masochist" up in the dictionary.I think we have been good hosts to you. I also don't think that this entire board has been bashing you all week. This kind of post isn't allowed here and I won't sit here and let you troll this board anymore. I warned you earlier.

gr8slayer
09-12-2005, 01:47 AM
I think we have been good hosts to you. I also don't think that this entire board has been bashing you all week. This kind of post isn't allowed here and I won't sit here and let you troll this board anymore. I warned you earlier.
Oh goodness, for resident Texans you all sure are soft. Anyway, Im out of here. Time to go to work, good luck with the rest of the season and kill the Colts for the love of god.

HoustonHarley
09-12-2005, 01:48 AM
Thank you Vinny. I wasn't going to comment on that after I noticed his age and location. It all made sense after that.

TMac48
09-12-2005, 02:14 AM
I really don't know what to make of today's game. It has almost become humorous to sit and watch how bad we play, and how we encounter the exact same problems every year. I'll admit that I have been one of those who wanted to give the line some time to "jell" and i'll admit that it isn't working. The offensive line is David Carr's protection from the defense, my house protects me from mother nature. If I had holes in the walls of my house, i'd damn sure fix them as soon as I could. (Sorry for the cheesy analogy, but it's the only way i could think to describe it) Something needs to be done. As for the emotion of the team, I agree that there was none. I'm afraid that these guys have become too accustomed to losing. I'm very worried right now, and I don't think I can sit through an entire season of this. All that said, here's hoping we can get a kick in the *** and turn this thing around. Go Texans!
:texflag:

texan0305
09-12-2005, 02:18 AM
:crying: thats how i felt after the game, i guess it could be worse i'm gratefull to jus be alive, hey the saints won woohooo i'm glad for those people they needed something to chear them up....





I still love my texans

Section 625 Row H

"theres always next week, unless theres a bye, or unless it's not football season, then you'll jus have to wait..."

Wolf
09-12-2005, 03:03 AM
I am just completely dumbfounded by the way we played. Preseason or not, we have played very undisciplined the last 3 weeks from 1st string down to 3rd. I didn't expect playoffs this season,but I thought with a break here and there, we would be close. I am not taking anything away from the Bills defense, but this was a complete headscratcher from top to bottom.

texasguy346
09-12-2005, 06:23 AM
Someone needs to go out there and talk to Babin.

"Ok now Jason, what would Captain Insano do to the runningback?"

I smell an avatar in the future.

I tend to agree with most of your feelings after the game. I was so angry and frustrated during and after the game not because we lost but because we didn't even bother to show up. 22- 7 is a score I'd expect to see in the first or second season, but not coming into the 4th. I've cooled down a bit now, but that may be more a product of the early morning hour than anything else.

If the Texans keep 'performing' like they have been recently then Reliant Stadium is going to have to establish a psych ward.

torontooilfan
09-12-2005, 09:12 AM
I was at your game. I was stunned at this one.

1) Your oline - I was stunned at how bad they looked. I know it is only one game but reading some other threads it appears you guys weren't happy to begin with. The Bills front four is not that good. Trust me. Your oline made it look good.

2) Who is coaching Carr? He has zero freedom out there. That playcalling was patheticly boring/stale. When he wasn't flat on his back, I saw one downfield pass all game and a whole lot of predictible swing/short passes that any high school DC could see coming. There was no confidence in the players to make big plays.

3) Effort - Playing on the road isn't easy in the NFL, but the coaches, after several months of preparation, had their players lay an effort egg. I'm sorry for you guys.

4) Andre Johnson - You have IMO one of the truly top talented WRs in the game. He needs 10 touches minimum a game, yet his number was called way too little.

On the bright side, I got to miss my Titans get waxed in Pittsburgh. :(

bbills4life
09-12-2005, 09:14 AM
I was at your game. I was stunned at this one.

1) Your oline - I was stunned at how bad they looked. I know it is only one game but reading some other threads it appears you guys weren't happy to begin with. The Bills front four is not that good. Trust me. Your oline made it look good.

2) Who is coaching Carr? He has zero freedom out there. That playcalling was patheticly boring/stale. When he wasn't flat on his back, I saw one downfield pass all game and a whole lot of predictible swing/short passes that any high school DC could see coming. There was no confidence in the players to make big plays.

3) Effort - Playing on the road isn't easy in the NFL, but the coaches, after several months of preparation, had their players lay an effort egg. I'm sorry for you guys.

4) Andre Johnson - You have IMO one of the truly top talented WRs in the game. He needs 10 touches minimum a game, yet his number was called way too little.

On the bright side, I got to miss my Titans get waxed in Pittsburgh. :(

How do you figure that Bufflo's front 4 isn't that good???

torontooilfan
09-12-2005, 09:23 AM
The strength of your defense IMO is the LBs and secondary. Aside from Adams can you honestly tell me the others are better than average?

It's Spikes, Fletcher, Milloy, Clements and Vincent that are the teeth of that D. (and Adams)

I get the joys of watching your team every week. I don't feel out to lunch on this one. You manhandled a porous oline that made those guys all look like all-pros. The test will come down the road.

BTW, your Jills this year are freaking hot as hell.

texan279
09-12-2005, 09:23 AM
I cannot believe there are still people making excuses for Carr...Both he and Capers will be looking for a job after this season if not sooner if this pathetic **** keeps up...

cadahnic
09-12-2005, 09:29 AM
People it is not nearly as bad as you all make it out to be. Yeah the offense is ****, but it has been **** for four years now so get over it. We just have to have our athletes make it decent. Bottom line we do not want to fire our whole coaching staff and then go through 2 more years of rebuilding, building (hell i am confused at what we are doing). Davis will do fine, sloan thomas will make plays(my bad) Gaffney, Mahtis, and Bradford will take some pressure off AJ, and Carr will settle the hell down and get the damn ball out of his hands before he looks like steve young around the end of his career.

texan279
09-12-2005, 09:36 AM
People it is not nearly as bad as you all make it out to be. Yeah the offense is ****, but it has been **** for four years now so get over it. We just have to have our athletes make it decent. Bottom line we do not want to fire our whole coaching staff and then go through 2 more years of rebuilding, building (hell i am confused at what we are doing). Davis will do fine, sloan thomas will make plays(my bad) Gaffney, Mahtis, and Bradford will take some pressure off AJ, and Carr will settle the hell down and get the damn ball out of his hands before he looks like steve young around the end of his career.

AJ was doubled and triple teamed all day yesterday, we have no real #2 WR to take any pressure off of AJ...

Hervoyel
09-12-2005, 09:42 AM
Well I got a little sleep and I'm feeling no better this morning. I still have that knot in my chest and listening to the interview with David Carr on 610 this morning as I drove to work didn't tell me a thing. They all sound dead to me. Carr sounded lost and kind of hopeless. Casserly last night sounded like he was trying to spin it and get away from Bob Allen's microphone as fast as he could.

I've only read what Capers had to say, I haven't heard it so I have no idea what he sounds like but based on the text I imagine it was the same monotone Dom spewing the same excuses and cliches.

GP
09-12-2005, 09:47 AM
"I'd like to make something perfectly clear to Mr McNair. We already have one cheap as hell owner in Houston. We don't need two. Drayton does a good enough job of "almost" getting it done. We expect you and your team to get it done. There's a time and a place to overpay and when you say that protecting David Carr is your top priority going into the 2005 season then that's when you overpay if need be. By doing so your protecting your investment in David Carr. If the truth be told you should have done this two years ago. The fact that it's 2005 and this is still a problem makes you look like Drayton McLane. That's not a good thing." -- Hervoyel

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Wow.

I've said some pretty intelligent things on this board lately, but what you just said was by FAR the most honest, and straight-to-the-heart statement I think I've ever read on this board in the past few years.

cadahnic
09-12-2005, 09:48 AM
AJ was doubled and triple teamed all day yesterday, we have no real #2 WR to take any pressure off of AJ...


I know. I am saying that AJ will get help later on in the season. I mean if the 49ers can win we will be just fine. We just need to attack a defense. The whole offense looked like what the **** is Palmer calling.

texan279
09-12-2005, 10:01 AM
I know. I am saying that AJ will get help later on in the season. I mean if the 49ers can win we will be just fine. We just need to attack a defense. The whole offense looked like what the **** is Palmer calling.

And Tim Rattay was 11/16 for 165 yards and 2 TD's, and their defense had 6 sacks and an INT against one of the best offenses in the league...And by the way the Dolphins spanked the Broncos yesterday too, you can't base this season on what the 49er's did last season, this is a new season, and we look worse than we did in our first season...

jaayteetx
09-12-2005, 10:08 AM
Its a good thing ole Mr Capers was playing the field position battle with six minutes left and down by 15. How pathetic! What are you hoping for there? Three and out and then get the ball back with what, three or four minutes left? The Texans should have had a flag pole installed on the sidelines right next to the head coach so he could personally run up the white flag!

cadahnic
09-12-2005, 10:12 AM
Texan279 come on man, if you believe that the 49ers are a good team or anything above an also-ran team then you dont much about football. We would look great in the NFC West also. What I am saying is simple we are at least as good as the 49ers so we can win some games. If you notice the niners offense and defense is built on attacking, something our team does not due.

Hervoyel
09-12-2005, 10:15 AM
We are not at least as good as the 49ers. No way in the world are we that good.

Teams turn it around in one season all the time cadahnic. Didn't you catch the Chargers act last year? Didn't you see the Steelers last year?

texan279
09-12-2005, 10:16 AM
Texan279 come on man, if you believe that the 49ers are a good team or anything above an also-ran team then you dont much about football. We would look great in the NFC West also. What I am saying is simple we are at least as good as the 49ers so we can win some games. If you notice the niners offense and defense is built on attacking, something our team does not due.

Did I say anything about the 49er's being a good team? No. All I said was they beat the Rams and posted some of their defensive stats they put up against the Rams and that you cannot base this season on what teams did last season...

Corrosion
09-12-2005, 10:33 AM
I know. I am saying that AJ will get help later on in the season. I mean if the 49ers can win we will be just fine. We just need to attack a defense. The whole offense looked like what the **** is Palmer calling.


The 49ers dsont have Capers , Palmer , Fangio and Casserly ..... Is it any wonder that they can win ? :brickwall

Double Barrel
09-12-2005, 11:18 AM
After our first drive of the season - a quick three and out...I told my buddies, alright, just have to get the focus and settle down.

Then we turn it over in the next two possessions....and...uhhhh...it all went downhill from there.

What can I say that hasn't already been said in this thread? Perhaps: PATHETIC!!!

It's one thing to lose, but it's an entirely different matter to NOT TRY TO WIN!! How can they even lack the fire to play? It's like a major flatline.

Face it: this week (and most likely next), a simple math equation:

:texflag: + :texans: - :play: = :loser

texan279
09-12-2005, 11:32 AM
DB, you picked the BYE over us next week?

Hervoyel
09-12-2005, 11:41 AM
DB, you picked the BYE over us next week?


The BYE is tough. They just traded two first day picks to the Patriots for Diet Pepsi Machine and it's a contract year for him.

I say we lose to the BYE week by 17. More if Burger King's healthy.

texan279
09-12-2005, 11:42 AM
I saw that commercial yesterday and couldn't stop laughing...

Double Barrel
09-12-2005, 11:49 AM
I can guarantee that we won't lose the BYE week. :thumbup

texan279
09-12-2005, 11:52 AM
DB I think the best we can do bye week is come out with a tie...

Double Barrel
09-12-2005, 12:06 PM
And that is an iffy proposition they way they seem to beat themselves. :(

Can you imagine ESPN: "...and now in an NFL first, the Texans lose their bye week due to lack of blah blah blah..." :heh: