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Texas_Heat
09-11-2005, 04:25 PM
This guy is the biggest bust in league history. :bag: :texflag:

Elite
09-11-2005, 04:25 PM
we cant just cut him im sure someone would give us a 5th round pick for him i hope. :brickwall it just funny to me david and joey came in the league at thew same time why is joey the only one in the hot seat i think its time to look another direction :bomb:

DomDavis
09-11-2005, 04:28 PM
Carr was in the top half of quarterbacks in the entire league last season. Yeah, that was just routine for Ryan Leaf and Heath Shuler.

kbourda
09-11-2005, 04:28 PM
This guy is the biggest bust in league history. :bag: :texflag:

Well to Carr's credit Leaf was a bigger one.

Fldvldog
09-11-2005, 04:29 PM
If I were the Texans, I would look for a new QB. 0 TD's, 3 Picks. Ouch...

DomDavis
09-11-2005, 04:30 PM
If I were the Texans, I would look for a new QB. 0 TD's, 3 Picks. Ouch...

So tell me, how do you think Byron Leftwich would play if he had an average of about 1.5 seconds every time he went back in the pocket?

the wonger need food
09-11-2005, 04:30 PM
Carr was in the top half of quarterbacks in the entire league last season. Yeah, that was just routine for Ryan Leaf and Heath Shuler.

Carr's career resembles Tim Couch more than Leaf or Shuler.

Scott747
09-11-2005, 04:31 PM
Three step drop is not the answer. Step in the pocket Dave and trust the routes your receivers run.

Fldvldog
09-11-2005, 04:32 PM
So tell me, how do you think Byron Leftwich would play if he had an average of about 1.5 seconds every time he went back in the pocket?

I don't know. But Leftwich had 2 TD's , 0 INT's today in a win...

rmartin65
09-11-2005, 04:32 PM
okay, strike 1 for carr.

toronado
09-11-2005, 04:32 PM
"Bust" is probably not accurate but I'd certainly consider benching him for a few games and see what happens. This is not a playoff season so experimenting is ok.

Goldeagle
09-11-2005, 04:33 PM
Not Carrs fault we cant block or catch or turn our heads (eh #86)

Paragon Blue
09-11-2005, 04:33 PM
Our oline sucks plain and simple!!!!!!!!!!

TexanLen
09-11-2005, 04:36 PM
Its the beef up front. I think if Carr had more time, he could show what he can do. When you are constantly running from defenders, it is hard to be a QB. This was a bad game all the way around. The honeymoon is over guys!! I want results. I love the Texans, but this is just plain bad.

Elite
09-11-2005, 04:37 PM
david lovers will always blame the O-line but remember david is a nobody who had a great season in the WAC conference thats why we got him he'll never be a good QB at best hell be a good clipboard holder.

Goldeagle
09-11-2005, 04:37 PM
What happened to those "slants" they were going to run?

Dante's Inferno
09-11-2005, 04:38 PM
Hello Texan fans. Hopefully you all remember me as a Jaguar fan who is not and never was here to bash.

Anyway, the point of todays game was this: It all begins up front. I know, for a fact that the Texans possess an extremely potent arsenal of wide recievers and their defense can play up to par. But with the offensive line and Carr, there are immense problems.

touttail
09-11-2005, 04:41 PM
Did the O line stay in Houston. They were in Carr's face every play, all day.

There is not a QB living or dead that could have done any better. Hell Carr didn't have time to blink much less look for a reciever!!!!!!!!

bobby 119C :brickwall

Goldeagle
09-11-2005, 04:41 PM
We have 1 WR and a decent running back and that is it.

It sucks that the team cannot protect their franchise, a guy who you can see has the tangibles to have success in this league.

DomDavis
09-11-2005, 04:41 PM
I don't know. But Leftwich had 2 TD's , 0 INT's today in a win...

Do you have our offensive line? Did you play on the road? Did you play the second best defense in the league? The answer to all of those is no, so it's totally irrelevant.

Next.

CyberTexan
09-11-2005, 04:42 PM
this game wasnt Carrs fault , it was all due to 2 things Offensive line and Coaching plain and simple

Dante's Inferno
09-11-2005, 04:43 PM
Do you have our offensive line? Did you play on the road? Did you play the second best defense in the league? The answer to all of those is no, so it's totally irrelevant.

Next.

Don't take it personally. Believe me, as Jaguar fans we know this will not happen every week. And yes, we were blessed with a capable Offensive Line.

The Line is where your problems lie...how to solve that problem is the mystery...

Scott747
09-11-2005, 04:43 PM
Carr refuses to step into the pocket. He drops and if his first choice reciever is not open he looks to jump outside to either drop off to DD or run. It's blantly obvious now that after the beating he has taken the first few years that it may be a trait he will not be able to change. The pocket was there many times today, and if he would have just steped into it valuable time would have been gained for a 2nd or 3rd choice reciever.

BuffSoldier
09-11-2005, 04:44 PM
Three step drop is not the answer. Step in the pocket Dave and trust the routes your receivers run.

Its hard to trust from your back. 4 sacks and 8 pressures is inexcusable. :brickwall

kbourda
09-11-2005, 04:44 PM
Not Carrs fault we cant block or catch or turn our heads (eh #86)

So true but it also is his fault him making terrible decisions, over-throws, under-throws, and no command whatsoever. :)

LBC_Justin
09-11-2005, 04:44 PM
Did the O line stay in Houston. They were in Carr's face every play, all day.

There is not a QB living or dead that could have done any better. Hell Carr didn't have time to blink much less look for a reciever!!!!!!!!

bobby 119C :brickwall
At one point I thought......man I feel sorry for the guy.

The O-line picked up right where they left off last year, and so did Palmer with his play calling.

Can you fire an entire O-line?

Porky
09-11-2005, 04:46 PM
Did the O line stay in Houston. They were in Carr's face every play, all day.

There is not a QB living or dead that could have done any better. Hell Carr didn't have time to blink much less look for a reciever!!!!!!!!

bobby 119C :brickwall

You're joking right?

Dante's Inferno
09-11-2005, 04:46 PM
At one point I thought......man I feel sorry for the guy.

The O-line picked up right where they left off last year, and so did Palmer with his play calling.

Can you fire an entire O-line?

No, but does the problem lie with the Offensive Line or the coaches?

By the way Texans, putting all rivalries aside, please pray and hope for the best for Coach Paul Boudreau, our Offensive Line Coach, who went down in the locker room. EMT's were sent in. We have no more news as of right now. Thank you.

Fldvldog
09-11-2005, 04:47 PM
Ragone or Banks should start IMHO. Sorry Texans, but I don't see how Carr is going to excell in this league. Yes, part of the blame is on that horrendous O-Line, but he made some BAD decisions today (ie: throwing into double coverage).

Txnpride
09-11-2005, 04:48 PM
Its the beef up front. I think if Carr had more time, he could show what he can do. When you are constantly running from defenders, it is hard to be a QB. This was a bad game all the way around. The honeymoon is over guys!! I want results. I love the Texans, but this is just plain bad.
I love the Texans also....I am truly starting to believe it starts with the coaching staff.We need to have a coach with some type of fire.Dom has already been caught with his mouth open on the sidelines....what a stupid look that is.I am sure most of you know that look.The team looked like the first year they stepped on the field.....and there is Dom....with his mouth hanging open...Are the Bills that good?....or are we THAT BAD???? :confused:Sorry Dom lovers....but the team had seven months to prepare for this game,and they looked lost,confused & pathetic :brickwall texan fan until I die texanpride

Goldeagle
09-11-2005, 04:50 PM
Yeah TXNPRIDE All I saw from Dom was the mouth open and "duh" coming from it.

HoustonFan
09-11-2005, 04:54 PM
Offensive line has set him up for failure. Not to mention the play calling. I could see it now, if Carr was w/ another team w/ an O'line that will give him the time and coverage needed to make plays. He goes on to be a better QB than here.

I say there needs to be a change of coaches.

Goldeagle
09-11-2005, 04:55 PM
TRADE CARR SO HE CAN WIN!

Lol, she loves David Carr more than me lol

V Man
09-11-2005, 04:56 PM
Well, Joey Harrington already has a TD pass this year. Carr stunk it up today, but until he gets a better line and better receivers, we will never know if he can play QB in this league. Our line consists of a bunch on nobodies, and the receiver core has one player, a speedster with stone hands (which no other team wanted when he was a FA this year, so we take him back), and a Gaffeny turn around and look for the ball.

Grid
09-11-2005, 04:57 PM
ya know that is what makes me really freakin angry.

Carr had (yes HAD) a slew of talent. he had a great attitude.. he had all the intangibles. hes a great guy with a great family.. and we have basicly killed his career.

DomDavis
09-11-2005, 04:57 PM
Ragone or Banks should start IMHO. Sorry Texans, but I don't see how Carr is going to excell in this league. Yes, part of the blame is on that horrendous O-Line, but he made some BAD decisions today (ie: throwing into double coverage).

You guys are hilarious.

If he doesn't throw into double coverage, it's all about "Carr doesn't take any chances, he always dumps it off to DD". You guys whine all the time about not giving Andre a chance down the field. He did, it didn't work out, and now it was a BAD decision? If you don't want bad decisions, don't whine when he dumps the ball off.

Ragone and Banks are statues in the pocket compared to Carr. If you start them, you're looking at 8 sacks a game, minimum.

TexanAggie
09-11-2005, 04:59 PM
ok what about his fumble and stand there and look at it roll around on the ground at his feet?? the only texan to try for it was McKinney

numerous times throw into double coverage and triple coverage lets not blame the oline completely carr had plenty to do with that bad play also, he needs to get his head out of the clouds and get to work .............

Dont forget to blame the rb's for not picking up the blitz .....

tex
09-11-2005, 04:59 PM
I can't blame Carr I would throw the ball away to if it would get me off the field.It's going to be a long season ,we might win 5 maybe 6 games.I sure hope I'm wrong.

Goldeagle
09-11-2005, 05:02 PM
Hey Elle congrats on the win, I was pulling for the Saints today like many others!

DomDavis
09-11-2005, 05:03 PM
ok what about his fumble and stand there and look at it roll around on the ground at his feet?? the only texan to try for it was McKinney

numerous times throw into double coverage and triple coverage lets not blame the oline completely carr had plenty to do with that bad play also, he needs to get his head out of the clouds and get to work .............

Dont forget to blame the rb's for not picking up the blitz .....

Playmakers like Andre Johnson have to make plays in double coverage sometimes because they aren't getting single coverage very often. If Carr doesn't take some chances, Andre won't ever get the ball. If he doesn't take some chances, you'll whine about him being too conservative.

NFLforher
09-11-2005, 05:05 PM
This guy is the biggest bust in league history. :bag: :texflag:


Cut Carr? Yeah, it might give him a chance to go to a team with some real talent and blocking.

Porky
09-11-2005, 05:06 PM
ya know that is what makes me really freakin angry.

Carr had (yes HAD) a slew of talent. he had a great attitude.. he had all the intangibles. hes a great guy with a great family.. and we have basicly killed his career.

You act like Carr is some chunk of metal, a product sitting on an assembly line with no independent will or power of it's own. In case you didn't notice, Carr was pathetic on his own. He didn't need any help being bad. He was plenty bad on his own. If you can't see that, I submit you really don't know much about football.

DomDavis
09-11-2005, 05:13 PM
You act like Carr is some chunk of metal, a product sitting on an assembly line with no independent will or power of it's own. In case you didn't notice, Carr was pathetic on his own. He didn't need any help being bad. He was plenty bad on his own. If you can't see that, I submit you really don't know much about football.

If you can't see that no QB in NFL history could succeed with this offensive line, I submit that you don't know much about football.

281
09-11-2005, 05:17 PM
My views on the game.

- At times, Carr did had plenty of time to throw the ball. I never saw him check other receivers, he tends to lock on way too often.
-However, the O-line could have done better. The pocket collapsed pretty quickly.
-Buchanon was definitely the dog on defense in this game. He was toasted on several occasions.
-We only pressured Losman by blitzing.
- Robinson was very impressive. He was barely ever thrown to.
- The defense in the middle is tougher than I expected, the Bills got most of their rushing yards on the outside.
-I think our defense in general is going to be just fine.
-The entire offense needs to regroup... It's only Week One, I think we'll be alright.

FirstDownMaker
09-11-2005, 05:48 PM
This guy is the biggest bust in league history. :bag: :texflag:

I have always liked David Carr but he looks shell-shocked to me! I think the poor guy has been sacked so many times that he seems to expect it on every pass play.

Corrosion
09-11-2005, 06:30 PM
Why isnt this thread locked like the last one that crirticized David Carr ?


:tomato:

txhoosier
09-11-2005, 06:30 PM
Colts fan here...

I started posting here last year, and I'm not here to troll...but IMHO, what this team needs is a good old QB controversy. I say put Carr on the bench...play Ragone, who is fresh off of a NFL Europe championship, (and MVP if I'm not mistaken). This guy is a proven winner, and knows how to get it done. Not to mention that it would light a fire under Carr's behind. What Carr really needs is to get his hair cut short, and tell his wife to just deal with it...he's got to play football, not be cute.

Good luck to the Texans, though...(with the exception of the 2 games against the Colts!!!) Most of you here are some good fans, and you deserve a playoff berth this season. I'll be posting here from time to time, I get tired of talking with homers on the Colts board, and since I live in Houston, I might run into some of you at the game on 10/23. I'm in section 115.

Vinny
09-11-2005, 06:32 PM
Why isnt this thread locked like the last one that crirticized David Carr ?


:tomato:That wasn't why the other thread was locked. Give it up.

Corrosion
09-11-2005, 06:38 PM
That wasn't why the other thread was locked. Give it up.


It was a joke .... and it struck the intended chord .



By the way , what happened to my thread in the help zone about censorship ? ... that thread wasnt just locked but completely deleted ... which i dont appreciate

thegr8fan
09-11-2005, 06:45 PM
all you :homer: who think Carr is blameless for this loss need to actually watch the game, with your eye's open. Carr had a very nice pocket to throw his second INT into triple coverage from. On his first INT he was outside scrambling, but made a ROOKIE mistake of a) not looking downfield when the receiver WAS actually open and b) throwing across his body while running which almost always results in an INT.

The fumble, I'll give that one to the O-line not stopping the rush. The 3rd INT I will even be generous enough to think Carr was trying to score and forcing a bad pass to do so.

Carr is NOT a rookie. Stop treating him like he still is, even though he plays like one most of the time.

rmartin65
09-11-2005, 06:45 PM
I have always liked David Carr but he looks shell-shocked to me! I think the poor guy has been sacked so many times that he seems to expect it on every pass play.
you'd be shell shocked too if you've been sacked 170 times in 3 seasons.

Vinny
09-11-2005, 06:51 PM
By the way , what happened to my thread in the help zone about censorship ? ... that thread wasnt just locked but completely deleted ... which i dont appreciateI donno, I'd have to see who moved it and read the thread myself. I'll do that later, but the best way to fix something is to PM someone who can help instead of jumping to a bunch of conclusions.

For the most part the replies on this thread were intelligent answers and non-combative You don't know what we delete....you only see the posts that are within the rules. (just read your thread)

Elite
09-11-2005, 07:52 PM
its uselles all of us texans fans have known for a while david carr is a joke of and nfl quaterback and he always will be so just accept it guys and yall wont be so dissapointed. :texflag: god i hope we DONT give david carr and extension on he's contract. :crazy:

Hervoyel
09-11-2005, 08:54 PM
You act like Carr is some chunk of metal, a product sitting on an assembly line with no independent will or power of it's own. In case you didn't notice, Carr was pathetic on his own. He didn't need any help being bad. He was plenty bad on his own. If you can't see that, I submit you really don't know much about football.

If you can't see that no QB in NFL history could succeed with this offensive line, I submit that you don't know much about football.

And I say that we test this hypothesis by starting Dave Ragone next week. That way if we beat the Steelers and he does well we all win (except David Carr) but if he gets destroyed by the Steeler D then we still have Banks alive in one piece to keep backing up the vindicated David Carr.

Texas
09-11-2005, 08:56 PM
"Bust" is probably not accurate but I'd certainly consider benching him for a few games and see what happens. This is not a playoff season so experimenting is ok.
Yes Yes and Yes. Bench him. Let him know were serious. Then let him realize his job is on the line and get out there to provide some real plays. Even with a ****** line he can do a little better then he is. Worked for Favre.

Bubbajwp
09-11-2005, 09:06 PM
all you :homer: who think Carr is blameless for this loss need to actually watch the game, with your eye's open. Carr had a very nice pocket to throw his second INT into triple coverage from. On his first INT he was outside scrambling, but made a ROOKIE mistake of a) not looking downfield when the receiver WAS actually open and b) throwing across his body while running which almost always results in an INT.

The fumble, I'll give that one to the O-line not stopping the rush. The 3rd INT I will even be generous enough to think Carr was trying to score and forcing a bad pass to do so.

Carr is NOT a rookie. Stop treating him like he still is, even though he plays like one most of the time.
You must have been watching a different game than me because Carr did not have a good pocket more than five times the entire game :brickwall :brickwall :brickwall

Bubbajwp
09-11-2005, 09:10 PM
Yes Yes and Yes. Bench him. Let him know were serious. Then let him realize his job is on the line and get out there to provide some real plays. Even with a ****** line he can do a little better then he is. Worked for Favre.
He had the same oline last year and had decent numbers. Dont forget we just played the Bills defense.

Texans Pride
09-11-2005, 09:11 PM
Ok, if we are going to bench Carr, then can we bench the coaches too?

Surely they need a wake up call!

thegr8fan
09-11-2005, 09:38 PM
You must have been watching a different game than me because Carr did not have a good pocket more than five times the entire game just for the record, point out in my post where I even tried to count how many times Carr had a pocket around him. I said, Carr had a very nice pocket to throw his second INT into triple coverage from. which is a quite true statement.

Heck I will even admit that it was one of the VERY few times during the game that he did actually have a pocket around him.

But on THAT interception you can't blame the line for not holding off the rushers, Carr simply threw an interception. Don't sugar coat it, or try and say he was rushed into the throw or any of the other myriad of excuses the Carr Lovers like to hide behind. That one was squarely on Carr's shoulders.

As was his first INT., IMHO. He should know by his FOURTH year as a QB, which throws are simply NOT smart throws. That was a dumb throw. Plain and simple. He made dumb decisions and they resulted in INT's. He has always done these exact same things and yet the Carr HOMERS on here can't, or simply WON'T see it.

AndreJ
09-11-2005, 09:40 PM
Not Carrs fault we cant block or catch or turn our heads (eh #86)
I don't think blocking was the issue Carr, just simply holds the ball forever...waiting for AJ to get open, he doesn't even glance at his other options...I think Gaff got so use to it he didn't bother to look back on that one play.

ledzeppelin229
09-11-2005, 09:41 PM
As long as they pulled it together for teams we "should beat" (not sure if thats anyone at this point...) and keep it a little more respectable against the good teams, I think we can pull together to .500 or so. There's no way the team keeps up this garbage show...

RocKetHtown
09-11-2005, 09:44 PM
need to fire everybody but the players and the owner :drool:

AndreJ
09-11-2005, 09:46 PM
As long as they pulled it together for teams we "should beat" (not sure if thats anyone at this point...) and keep it a little more respectable against the good teams, I think we can pull together to .500 or so. There's no way the team keeps up this garbage show...
I wouldn't doubt it, Carr has regressed awfully...I say give Ragone a shot, maybe he'll wake up and realize his honeymoon is over, its time for him to MAN up or he can go model for some magazine if he's not ready to step up.

the wonger need food
09-11-2005, 09:46 PM
Dude (David Carr) is shot... mentally. He's been a deer in headlights since the Denver game last year. This coaching staff has succeeded in breaking a potentially very good quarterback. Now it's time to bring in some coaches that he can trust to protect him and provide a system with some hope of producing.

The next step in the process... the coaching staff will start blaming Carr for all of the problems as they scramble for their jobs.

AndreJ
09-11-2005, 09:49 PM
Dude (David Carr) is shot... mentally. He's been a deer in headlights since the Denver game last year. This coaching staff has succeeded in breaking a potentially very good quarterback. Now it's time to bring in some coaches that he can trust to protect him and provide a system with some hope of producing.

The next step in the process... the coaching staff will start blaming Carr for all of the problems as they scramble for their jobs.

Did you not watch the game, Carr is the problem...don't blame this one on the O-Line, he couldn't read a defense if the opposition gave him a book. He holds the ball way too long...

beerlover
09-11-2005, 09:54 PM
before we cut Carr let him call his own plays I doubt he runs every time on 1st down. the Texans have moved the ball in the past by passing effectivly to run the ball. does anyone remember last years season opener? everyone was ready to cut Domanick Davis. the play calling sucks plain & simple, its not gonna work against a solid defense like the Bills especially up front, you have to attack vertically down the field and challenge the db's and Palmer refused to give Carr the opportunity. it was a no win situation from the start of the game despite the defense bending but never breaking :cool:

the wonger need food
09-11-2005, 09:54 PM
Did you not watch the game, Carr is the problem...don't blame this one on the O-Line, he couldn't read a defense if the opposition gave him a book. He holds the ball way too long...

Did you not read my post? I specifically stated that the guy is shot.

Carr is absolutely part of the problem. He has no confidence and no idea how to run this "offense".

It is the coaches that have created this situation by beating the crud out of him for 3 years.

Hervoyel
09-11-2005, 09:58 PM
Did you not watch the game, Carr is the problem...don't blame this one on the O-Line, he couldn't read a defense if the opposition gave him a book. He holds the ball way too long...

I think he saw the game just fine. Carr is the problem.....now. After three years of being the entire NFL's punching bag he's a mess and yeah, he is the problem a lot of the time. Instead of developing like a normal QB David Carr has regressed and now, after all this abuse he's making the mistakes that obviously come from a career spent running for his life and looking up from the dirt.

The offensive line did not give Carr consistent time to throw. If you think that's true then there's nothing I or anyone else can do for you. You live in your own little world.

When Carr did have time he wasted it. Anyone who thinks that's not true is equally deluded and hopeless. Carr makes stupid mistakes. As you said he can't read a defense to save his life. He throws the ball away from between the tackles. He runs out of bounds behind the line of scrimmage. He still hasn't figured out how to slide correctly. He looks at AJ and then DD, then scrambles or takes a sack depending on the circumstances at the time.

How did he get here? Easy, he's been "developed" in our patented Houston Texans system. Remember Chris Palmer? The "genius" who developed such QB legends as Drew Bledsoe, Rob Johnson, and Tim Couch? David Carr is a product of his handywork.

He wasn't this way when he got here (completely) and you would expect these things to improve. They haven't. Lay that at the feet of whoever you think is responsible but that's the way it is.

ledzeppelin229
09-11-2005, 10:06 PM
He had better protection in that first game against Dallas. He also was much more confident and people actually seemed to be open for him to throw to. Some teams adjust over the years and others fall behind. This team hasn't done much evolving.

beerlover
09-11-2005, 10:24 PM
This team hasn't done much evolving.

depends how you look at it, seems like they are evolving just not in the desired direction :brickwall

Honoring Earl 34
09-11-2005, 11:18 PM
:ouch: First , is'nt Carr out of the Tedford line of QBs of Dilfer ,Volek ,Carr , Boller and Rogers .

I think they should go to the no huddle offense and let Carr play for a while . If you give up now Ragone better be capable of carrying a team or we're back to the drawing board .

NFLforher
09-12-2005, 12:58 AM
its uselles all of us texans fans have known for a while david carr is a joke of and nfl quaterback and he always will be so just accept it guys and yall wont be so dissapointed. :texflag: god i hope we give david carr and extension on he's contract. :crazy:


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