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bigcarlos
09-11-2005, 03:05 PM
The Teaxsn select ?????????
I think its not too early to start thinking about who can help us :texflag:

BuffSoldier
09-11-2005, 03:24 PM
Maybe we can get a high enough pick to get D'Brickshaw Ferguson. :brickwall

Elite
09-11-2005, 03:30 PM
Or a solid leader like Matt LionHeart with the number one overall pick.

rmartin65
09-11-2005, 03:40 PM
if high enough i like ferguson.. but if the Texans are later i like A.J Hawk or Bobby Carpenter.

wolf123
09-11-2005, 04:52 PM
It's never too early to look at your team and find out it's weekness and than discuss who to draft to possibly fix it.

I think that with the first pick they will go either receiver or tightend. The texans need someone else to take the pressure off andre and to get open for carr.
Rd.2 The draft is so deep that a good left tackle will fall to the second round and fix our problem their.

beerlover
09-11-2005, 05:13 PM
It's never too early to look at your team and find out it's weekness and than discuss who to draft to possibly fix it.

I think that with the first pick they will go either receiver or tightend. The texans need someone else to take the pressure off andre and to get open for carr.
Rd.2 The draft is so deep that a good left tackle will fall to the second round and fix our problem their.

after a loss like this I have to disagree :brickwall & I'm a draft junkie. the Texans need to make organizational changes first. this needs to be a Texans team led by Texans. afterall the rest of the country sucks off Texas for the bulk of their collegiate rosters, surely there is some coaching talent in state, maybe the OC from Texas Tech is he available :homer: point is I would like to have some better structure in place before mocking anymore drafts :cool:

COOL V
09-11-2005, 05:18 PM
Yep, That's what Johnson will do SIT. Capers won't play anyone. Imagine if Domanick Davis didn't get a chance. Sorry to say it, but thanks to an injury, he got his chance.

COOL V
09-11-2005, 05:20 PM
You got it. Bring in some Real Texans!!! Hello Kubiak in Denver might be just the guy.

BuffSoldier
09-11-2005, 05:33 PM
It's never too early to look at your team and find out it's weekness and than discuss who to draft to possibly fix it.

I think that with the first pick they will go either receiver or tightend. The texans need someone else to take the pressure off andre and to get open for carr.
Rd.2 The draft is so deep that a good left tackle will fall to the second round and fix our problem their.

I think we take a LT with our first pick, hopefully one of the big 4 (Ferguson, Winston, McNeill, Scott), because this is also a deep TE draft and we will be able to get Tim Day or Dominique Byrd in the second, both can block and catch. :drool:

Elite
09-11-2005, 07:05 PM
We draft matt LionHeart the fisrt round and then draft nothing O-line soince its a deep draft o-line anyways but we will have a real qb for once.

theyhm
09-12-2005, 08:01 AM
The count down to Matt Leinhart / Vince Young starts now. :sbad:

COLOBUFF
09-12-2005, 12:01 PM
OK we all know we have a very good chance of drafting the first player in 2006 so who are we taking?

Blake
09-12-2005, 01:20 PM
LT. No doubt. They are giving Bennie another shot. Dont know why, but they are. We need a better o-line. Right?

And there is no need to use a first rounder on a guard or center.

LT first round.

Fiddy
09-12-2005, 01:34 PM
Look at the avatar. (That's if he comes out)

Corrosion
09-12-2005, 01:37 PM
Look at the avatar. (That's if he comes out)


Why draft another QB just to watch him get beat down behind this horrible excuse for an o-line .....They couldnt block a pop warner team :tomato:

Fiddy
09-12-2005, 01:39 PM
Why draft another QB just to watch him get beat down behind this horrible excuse for an o-line .....They couldnt block a pop warner team :tomato: Cause this QB puts touch on his passes. This QB doesnt lock onto WRs. This QB doesnt lock onto RBs coming out of the backfield. And most importantly, this QB knows how to win.

WildBlackBear32
09-12-2005, 02:10 PM
Cause this QB puts touch on his passes. This QB doesnt lock onto WRs. This QB doesnt lock onto RBs coming out of the backfield. And most importantly, this QB knows how to win.

You just described a lot of college QBs, I'm afraid you'll have to be specific. I'll take a couple guesses however because a few players fit that mold.Is this QB Jason White? Or is it Josh Heupel? Danny Wuerffel?

GetItHowULive
09-12-2005, 02:17 PM
if v young opts to enter the draft in '06, i def. want the native Houstonian to lead our squad, let's keep it texan!

Fiddy
09-12-2005, 02:19 PM
You just described a lot of college QBs, I'm afraid you'll have to be specific. I'll take a couple guesses however because a few players fit that mold.Is this QB Jason White? Or is it Josh Heupel? Danny Wuerffel? Excuse me. Let me elaborate. This QB uses his legs. Has the highest completion percentage in school history. Has no great WR to go to in tight games and still makes thing happen.

Algebrat
09-12-2005, 02:21 PM
First Round LT + 2nd Round Center = David Carr Improvements

Texas
09-12-2005, 03:46 PM
1st + 2nd Rd. We need to select and Lt and C. Then 3rd a TE. Mathis will get better as time goes on so WR will sooner or later be locked

Corrosion
09-12-2005, 05:41 PM
Excuse me. Let me elaborate. This QB uses his legs. Has the highest completion percentage in school history. Has no great WR to go to in tight games and still makes thing happen.


I really like Vince Young ..... I would Really Like to see him wear a Texans uniform BUT I would NOT play him until there was an O-line in place that can BLOCK for him not just stand around acting like they are blocking :texflag:

rmartin65
09-12-2005, 06:26 PM
Lt 1st, C2nd, LB 3rd, TE 4th

astrofan
09-13-2005, 05:04 PM
...surely there is some coaching talent in state, maybe the OC from Texas Tech is he available...

why don't teams stack 8 or 9 guys in the box against Tech?
and just who is that masked OC out there anyway?
what team has the active career leader in rushing TDs?

Texans Horror
09-13-2005, 10:10 PM
The Texans have a LT that was being groomed. He is being sidelined. I think Riley will be out soon, so they will go back to Wand, and he will show big-time improvements this year, if given the chance to play. If anything, Houston needs to look at the TE spot. With AJ pulling so much of the defense to him, that leaves a lot of our guys (Gaffney, Bradford, etc.) open. But having a TE to go to/provide additional blocking would be perfect. This is where the Draft can really help them.

rmartin65
09-14-2005, 01:06 PM
a TE would be nice. there's a lot of them in this draft.

Corrosion
09-14-2005, 03:10 PM
The Texans have a LT that was being groomed. He is being sidelined. I think Riley will be out soon, so they will go back to Wand, and he will show big-time improvements this year, if given the chance to play. If anything, Houston needs to look at the TE spot. With AJ pulling so much of the defense to him, that leaves a lot of our guys (Gaffney, Bradford, etc.) open. But having a TE to go to/provide additional blocking would be perfect. This is where the Draft can really help them.


TE is a need position BUT ..... If they dont address the O-line in the coming draft .... they may as well get themselves a new QB . Ive heard just about all the excuses I can stand concerning the O-line and Im sure Carr has too .
Back to the TE position .... I think they SHOULD use a first day pick on one .... just not first round .

If Im David Carr I HOLD OUT for better pass protection ..... and un-like T.O's hold out ... he has a legitimate gripe . :texflag:

dc_txtech
09-14-2005, 06:51 PM
why don't teams stack 8 or 9 guys in the box against Tech?
and just who is that masked OC out there anyway?
what team has the active career leader in rushing TDs?

teams have tried. last year it worked pretty well for new mexico. but usually with our blocking scheme mike leach will tear that defense to pieces

threetoedpete
09-17-2005, 11:19 AM
Why draft another QB just to watch him get beat down behind this horrible excuse for an o-line .....They couldnt block a pop warner team :tomato:
Nice point.
I'm thinking if we do tank the season, go OT/OT with the first two picks. One of the fab four and the big kid from BC that's tweener OLT/ORT. He'll be on today btw. I know the TE/second receiver crowd will howl, but if they end up with two premiere lineman, we'd be set for ten years. The bigest glaring weakness would turn into a strength in one draft.

awtysst
09-17-2005, 04:27 PM
Nice point.
I'm thinking if we do tank the season, go OT/OT with the first two picks. One of the fab four and the big kid from BC that's tweener OLT/ORT. He'll be on today btw. I know the TE/second receiver crowd will howl, but if they end up with two premiere lineman, we'd be set for ten years. The bigest glaring weakness would turn into a strength in one draft.

I disagree. Here is what i would do.

If we were to get the First Pick, I would trade down to about 5-10(pick up an extra 2nd and third). With the new first rounder I would pick a premier LT. I would then take one of my 2nds and one of my 3rds, and trade back into the first round soemwhere around say 20. With this pick I would take AJ Hawk. Now we will pick again in the second round, so we can pick up another strong Tackle prospect or look to add some youth on the Dline. In the third round, we still have another pick so maybe a nice blocking TE or soem Oline help(if we go way of Dline in rd 2.)

rmartin65
09-17-2005, 09:58 PM
Hawk wont last till 20.

WildBlackBear32
09-17-2005, 10:40 PM
I disagree. Here is what i would do.

If we were to get the First Pick, I would trade down to about 5-10(pick up an extra 2nd and third). With the new first rounder I would pick a premier LT. I would then take one of my 2nds and one of my 3rds, and trade back into the first round soemwhere around say 20. With this pick I would take AJ Hawk. Now we will pick again in the second round, so we can pick up another strong Tackle prospect or look to add some youth on the Dline. In the third round, we still have another pick so maybe a nice blocking TE or soem Oline help(if we go way of Dline in rd 2.)

Picking Hawk next year would send me over the edge. Passing up a hometown product like DJ this year, only to take a player nearly identical to his mold(just smaller and slower...) next year would piss me off royally.

If I were in that situation...

5-10 DE Matthias Kiwanuka
20ish McNeill/Scott/Trueblood/Whitworth/Winston (in that order, presuming D'Brick is gone)

Corrosion
09-18-2005, 05:24 AM
This team has soooo many holes to fill .... O-line is probably top priority ..... another recieving threat be in WR or TE BOTH should be addressed ....
there is a DESPERATE need for a play-maker on the defensive side of the ball in ANY of the front seven positions DE , DT , OLB or MLB .

If I were GM I'd look to fill the O-Line position first ....D'Brickshaw Ferguson would be real nice . If not Ferguson ... Marcus McNeill of Auburn 6-9 337 lbs , Jonathan Scott of UT 6'7" 310 or Jeremy Trueblood out of Boston College 6'9" 330 . All of those guy's have first round skills and size .....From what Ive seen of Eric Winston ... Im NOT impressed . Like the current LT's on the Texans roster he has trouble with outside speed .

I'd look for a WR in round 2

Hank Baskett 6'4" 220 out of New Mexico , Maurice Stovall 6'5" 220 of Notre Dame and John Madsen 6'5" 220 from Utah could all be around in the early part of round two .

Round three I'd look to fill a glaring need at TE .....

Matt Herian 6'5" 240 Nebraska , Charles Davis 6'6" 260 Purdue , Cooper Wallace 6'4" 265 Auburn and possibly Uderclassman Leonard Pope 6'7" 250 of Georgia if he decides to come out early .

HJam72
09-18-2005, 07:28 AM
With their first pick in the 2006 Draft, the Texans will pick.............................................. .................................................. ...........................a really mediocre linebacker. :brickwall

HoustonFan
09-18-2005, 08:36 AM
Could we draft a coach? Why don't they throw coaches into the mix? J/k, somewhat.

A LT and C are in order. As far as QB, Vince Young would be nice, but like someone said earlier if he's put behind on O-line like we have he'll end up not doing so well. I still think Carr has potential and that it can be realized behind an O-line that will give him more time to make decisions and not make him fall flat on his back so many times.

rmartin65
09-18-2005, 08:48 AM
centers can be picked in later rounds.

Marcus
09-18-2005, 09:49 AM
If the Texans do indeed find themselves with the 1st pick of the draft . . . then the following things would have taken place before the pick is selected:

Dom Capers would already have been fired.
Chris Palmer would already have been fired.
Charlie Casserly would already have been fired.

and . . . (drumroll please)

David Carr's contract option would not have been exercised.

"The Houston Texans, with the 1st pick of the 2006 NFL draft, select . . .

Matt Leinert of USC."


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Corrosion
09-18-2005, 10:41 AM
and . . . (drumroll please)

David Carr's contract option would not have been exercised.

"The Houston Texans, with the 1st pick of the 2006 NFL draft, select . . .

Matt Leinert of USC."


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And Leinert would look just as horrible as Carr with the current cast of characters .... This team has far too many holes to fill to draft a QB in round one .

And I'd take Vince over Leinert anyhow

Bubbajwp
09-18-2005, 07:14 PM
With the first pick in the nfl draft the houston texans select a QB, RB, WR, OLINE, TE, DLINE, ILB, OLB, DB, K, P, KR, PR take your pick we need them all. :brickwall :brickwall :brickwall

Panther5407
09-18-2005, 07:54 PM
How about this, the texans draft both vince young and reggie mcneil. then they go ahead and create a new type of offense, lets call it the double q. Now we set both of these guys back there, they can play catch back and forth, make the defense get tired (because we all know they are going to get in the backfield anyways) and then finally throw the ball downfield past the d backs that have been chasing our recivers around and actually get some yards. Thats about all we can do with the the people we call our o line.

rmartin65
09-18-2005, 08:36 PM
How about this, the texans draft both vince young and reggie mcneil. then they go ahead and create a new type of offense, lets call it the double q. Now we set both of these guys back there, they can play catch back and forth, make the defense get tired (because we all know they are going to get in the backfield anyways) and then finally throw the ball downfield past the d backs that have been chasing our recivers around and actually get some yards. Thats about all we can do with the the people we call our o line.
WR LTLGCRGRTTE WR
WR
QB QB

rmartin65
09-19-2005, 07:18 PM
WR LTLGCRGRTTE WR
WR
QB QB
totally ignore my last statement. thank you.

Panther5407
09-19-2005, 07:35 PM
totally ignore my last statement. thank you.

Lol i think I get what you were trying to say, I'll get the gameplan soon.

HomeBred_Texan
09-19-2005, 11:14 PM
We draft matt LionHeart the fisrt round and then draft nothing O-line soince its a deep draft o-line anyways but we will have a real qb for once.
I agree that Matt will be a first pick for someone, hopefully us. But with the draft being so deep, could package a 2nd and our 3rd from New Orleans for a late first and get a stud at running back. Then draft some OL's or get some in the free agent market..

grandslam1
09-20-2005, 01:04 PM
okay , who should we draft


i say we need two first round picks to get a OL and a LB

rmartin65
09-20-2005, 02:17 PM
i think this:
1st: LT
2nd:OLB
3rd:TE
3rd:C
4th:MLB
5th:HB
6th:QB
7th:DE-OLB

Corrosion
09-20-2005, 02:59 PM
i think this:
1st: LT
2nd:OLB
3rd:TE
3rd:C
4th:MLB
5th:HB
6th:QB
7th:DE-OLB


No WR ? ..... They need another WR pretty bad .... I'd probably take one in round two ..... Other than that your list is pretty close .

Bubbajwp
09-20-2005, 03:49 PM
okay , who should we draft


i say we need two first round picks to get a OL and a LB
I agree. But I also think we should forget about drafting collage DE and puting them at OLB. Just pick the best linbacker in the draft AJ Hawk. or Chad Greenway

TheOgre
09-20-2005, 04:15 PM
Our biggest needs:
LT
WR2
TE
OLB
CB

rmartin65
09-20-2005, 05:33 PM
No WR ? ..... They need another WR pretty bad .... I'd probably take one in round two ..... Other than that your list is pretty close .
uhh forgot about wr. maybe mathis can prove he's a legit #2.

Davis37
09-20-2005, 06:53 PM
this is how i would like to see our draft

1:LT
2:OL
3:OL
2nd 3:OL
4:OL
5:OL
6:OL
7:OL

YoungTexanFan
09-20-2005, 07:25 PM
this is how i would like to see our draft

1:LT
2:OL
3:OL
2nd 3:OL
4:OL
5:OL
6:OL
7:OL


i like the general idea, but i would add a qb in round 4 or 5, and then a lb in round 2.

1.LT
2.LB
3.OL...(center?)
3b.TE
4.QB
5.OL
6.OL
7.Fastest guy left

Bubbajwp
09-20-2005, 07:33 PM
i like the general idea, but i would add a qb in round 4 or 5, and then a lb in round 2.

1.LT
2.LB
3.OL...(center?)
3b.TE
4.QB
5.OL
6.OL
7.Fastest guy left
Sounds good to me. How about a crazy syco guy in the seventh round.

Blake
09-21-2005, 11:36 AM
this is how i would like to see our draft

1:LT
2:OL
3:OL
2nd 3:OL
4:OL
5:OL
6:OL
7:OL

That should have been our draft blueprint last draft.

1: Jammal Brown, OT, Oklahoma
2: Marcus Johnson, OG, Ole Miss
3: Ray Willis, OT, Florida St.
3: Elton Brown, OG, Virginia
4: Jason Brown, C, North Carolina
5: Wesley Britt, OT, Alabama
6: CC Brown, S, Louisiana-Lafayette
7: Ben Wilkerson, C, L.S.U.

I left in CC Brown, because he is doing a bang up job. Literally.

rmartin65
09-21-2005, 01:52 PM
That should have been our draft blueprint last draft.

1: Jammal Brown, OT, Oklahoma
2: Marcus Johnson, OG, Ole Miss
3: Ray Willis, OT, Florida St.
3: Elton Brown, OG, Virginia
4: Jason Brown, C, North Carolina
5: Wesley Britt, OT, Alabama
6: CC Brown, S, Louisiana-Lafayette
7: Ben Wilkerson, C, L.S.U.

I left in CC Brown, because he is doing a bang up job. Literally.
woulda kept mathis

beerlover
09-21-2005, 04:26 PM
woulda kept mathis

not that I would have gone all offensive linemen but you gotta appreciate DC's point :)

rmartin65
09-21-2005, 04:46 PM
yea, i agree

Blake
09-21-2005, 04:53 PM
For us to wait until the 5th round to get an offensive lineman is insane. Smart teams know that the battle is won in the trenches. D-linemen. O-linemen. The skill players, or "topping on this cake" can be had in the later rounds.

Lets hope we get david a real left tackle soon.

Nawzer
09-21-2005, 06:42 PM
I think Casserly wants to take guys who are relatively unknown just so that he can prove a point at what a "genius" he is. I think most people here had no idea that we would draft Travis Johnson. I don't disagree with the pick because we did need to get younger and athletic on the d-line but I think most people didn't expect that pick. Same thing goes for Jason Babin, I've never heard of him and unless you're an ultra die hard college football fan chances are you didn't know who Babin was either. We the fans want the team to draft players who are known to us either through T.V. or the Combine. We want the team to draft the obvious choice and maybe it's time for Casserly to take notice.

TDforTatum26
09-21-2005, 07:08 PM
I think Casserly wants to take guys who are relatively unknown just so that he can prove a point at what a "genius" he is. I think most people here had no idea that we would draft Travis Johnson. I don't disagree with the pick because we did need to get younger and athletic on the d-line but I think most people didn't expect that pick. Same thing goes for Jason Babin, I've never heard of him and unless you're an ultra die hard college football fan chances are you didn't know who Babin was either. We the fans want the team to draft players who are known to us either through T.V. or the Combine. We want the team to draft the obvious choice and maybe it's time for Casserly to take notice.



yeah but the team cant draft somone just to please the fans.....and isnt Jason Babin doing pretty good for you guys?

rmartin65
09-21-2005, 07:30 PM
he's doin okay

YoungTexanFan
09-21-2005, 09:28 PM
he's doin okay


...he was just benched...

Texas_Thrill
09-21-2005, 10:40 PM
I think CC is trying to draft like he is still in the OLDEN days of Washington honestly.

I mean someone tell me WHY we passed on Derrick Johnson to take Travis Johnson? And you can't say 4-3 b/c they both played in one.

Then you draft Morency who is the exact same kind of back as DD except OLDER and you still have YET to address the O-LINE. I think he's :fishing: on most of these picks and I agree he's hoping one hits to look like a genius.

We wont trade up to get Sean Taylor but we will trade back into the first round to get Jason Babin???? I love D Robinson please dont get this twisted but if we were going to trade back into the 1st round it should have been for a OFFENSIVE LINEMAN!!!!!!!!!!!!! Can you hear me capers and cc?????

bigcarlos
10-02-2005, 03:21 PM
Vince :texflag:

cptnbreakdance
10-03-2005, 11:38 AM
we will most likly have a high #1 pick so drafting the best LT inthe draft is a must. That also means we have a high 2nd ounder, and with those 2 3rd rounders we will have and CC our GM (maybe) we could move up in the first and get another top tier O-Lineman or a WR. One of the Ohio State boys or that huge guy from loisville?

Blake
10-03-2005, 01:19 PM
we will most likly have a high #1 pick so drafting the best LT inthe draft is a must. That also means we have a high 2nd ounder, and with those 2 3rd rounders we will have and CC our GM (maybe) we could move up in the first and get another top tier O-Lineman or a WR. One of the Ohio State boys or that huge guy from loisville?

Sorry bud, we wont have the 2nd or 3rd, because CC wants to get another pot luck player from another team.

rmartin65
10-03-2005, 03:47 PM
Sorry bud, we wont have the 2nd or 3rd, because CC wants to get another pot luck player from another team.
haha, lol

Texas_Thrill
10-06-2005, 11:02 AM
And then whatever we do have left he'll draft a back-up WR for AJ.

threetoedpete
10-07-2005, 09:16 AM
I think Casserly wants to take guys who are relatively unknown just so that he can prove a point at what a "genius" he is. I think most people here had no idea that we would draft Travis Johnson. I don't disagree with the pick because we did need to get younger and athletic on the d-line but I think most people didn't expect that pick. Same thing goes for Jason Babin, I've never heard of him and unless you're an ultra die hard college football fan chances are you didn't know who Babin was either. We the fans want the team to draft players who are known to us either through T.V. or the Combine. We want the team to draft the obvious choice and maybe it's time for Casserly to take notice.

I didn't know who Babin was untill after the season of that draft. I try to see the all tweener DE's befor the draft. Babin was flying up the boards as I remember in March. I had no problem with CC taking a shot with the guy.I did have a problem with moving up to get him. He is very simular in stature to Kevin Green. He does play the run very well. At this point though, as far as a pass rusher , he plays more like Mr. Green Jeans, than Kevin Green. He's always close, but never consumates. Sounds like my Prom date. It'll be awhile befor the team dumps him. The taking the chance on Wand was also a decision I could live with. At the time the organization was tring to fill many holes. He was a big guy with very quick feet and he had a lagitimate chance to make it.
But I think most on the board would agree at this point, we have reached critical mass on the o-line. Whovere the QB is here, the o-line has to be fixed first. They May well choose to pass on Carr's Contract. But I garuantee, if they dump him he will reemerge in the NFL as a playoff caliber QB. Maybe Green Bay ? I don't like Vince Young's Delivery with the football. Every coach he has ever had has tried to change it. He is acurate with his "slings" but there hasn't been a sucessfull side armed QB since Sammy Baugh. He HAS the tallent to change that. But in MHO, Young is not a lock to becoming the next Tom Brady. And In the NFL, the "slinging " of the ball will be an issue. The USC QB is very simular to the Cal QB that Green bay picked up @ 24 last draft. Carr has a better arm, more moblie, and has a quicker release. JMHO. But at this point, there is no denying the fact that all of the sacks have had a cumulative total. They still have a chance at 4-7 wins. It will be interesting to see which way the organization moves come January. Watchin' the Oilers ruin Lynn Dickey was very painfull. Watchin' Capers & CC ruin Carr has been downright putrid . Capers has history with young QBs. Collin's has turned out to be a pretty good QB. May be he will get him some help Next season. My bold prediction...Carr will go to the SB befor CC and Capers get there. JMHO.

sakebomb
10-08-2005, 05:32 AM
They have to use their first pick on the OL. They should all be shot if they don't.