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Meloy
09-09-2005, 05:36 PM
Historically, Carr has missed few plays and management seems happy with the solid play of Banks who has a reasonable salary. As the season progresses and QBs start dropping, do we dangle Ragone for a second or high 3rd round in 2006? We have had some good selections with those rounds. I think i'm correct when I say, Banks is signed thru '06 and BJ Symmons remains intriguing for the future back up role. Any thoughts?

ArlingtonTexan
09-09-2005, 05:42 PM
Why would a GM give 3rd, much less a 2nd round choice for a 3rd sting Qb with one career start?

Porky
09-09-2005, 05:46 PM
You have two fallacies here. First, what "solid play of Banks" would you be speaking of? Secondly, what would possibly posess any GM in his right mind to use a 2nd or 3rd rd draft choice on a totally unproven QB, whose few NFL snaps were not exactly awe inspiring.

TMac48
09-09-2005, 06:00 PM
...BJ Symmons remains intriguing for the future back up role. Any thoughts?
Are you serious? Did you not see him play? What is with people and BJ Symons? Just because he was a product of the system at Tech doen't mean he's an NFL Quarterback.

jacquescas
09-09-2005, 06:10 PM
stop falling in love with our own players. If people weren't willing to trade for Rohan Davey a former NFLE MVP and Patriot why would they trade for an even less proven Ragone?

Porky
09-09-2005, 06:12 PM
Are you serious? Did you not see him play? What is with people and BJ Symons? Just because he was a product of the system at Tech doen't mean he's an NFL Quarterback.

Ya that one too. That makes three falicies. :texflag:

Hervoyel
09-09-2005, 07:30 PM
Now personally I believe that Dave Ragone could very well net the Texans a low 1 or a 2 via trade. I understand not a lot of you think that and that's cool. My point though is that it's way too soon for that. What you probably need to happen is this

a) Banks moves on and Ragone moves up to the #2 spot (Shouldn't take long)

b) Carr gets injured and Ragone has to play for at least two weeks, probably three or more. (Don't want that to happen but it's certainly possible)

c) Ragone has to play very, very well when that happens. (This again I think is possible.)

d) Someone has to fall in love with him. Like the Dolphins fell for Feeley some team is going to have to decide that he's the one thing they need.

Ragone's getting there and he looks a ton better than he did in his rookie year. He's still got a little more to do though.

ArlingtonTexan
09-09-2005, 07:38 PM
Now personally I believe that Dave Ragone could very well net the Texans a low 1 or a 2 via trade. I understand not a lot of you think that and that's cool. My point though is that it's way too soon for that. What you probably need to happen is this

a) Banks moves on and Ragone moves up to the #2 spot (Shouldn't take long)

b) Carr gets injured and Ragone has to play for at least two weeks, probably three or more. (Don't want that to happen but it's certainly possible)

c) Ragone has to play very, very well when that happens. (This again I think is possible.)

d) Someone has to fall in love with him. Like the Dolphins fell for Feeley some team is going to have to decide that he's the one thing they need.

Ragone's getting there and he looks a ton better than he did in his rookie year. He's still got a little more to do though.

A- Ragone has had three training camps to move past Banks.

B- Hate specualting on injuries

C-Given A, and possibily B (if poor OL play contributes to the injury) then 50/50 at best.

D- The guy with Dolphins is out of a job largely for bad trades (Lamar Gordon also).

LBC_Justin
09-09-2005, 07:47 PM
stop falling in love with our own players. If people weren't willing to trade for Rohan Davey a former NFLE MVP and Patriot why would they trade for an even less proven Ragone?two words: Drew Henson

ArlingtonTexan
09-09-2005, 07:55 PM
two words: Drew Henson

Rohan Davey is a better match for Dave Ragone than Henson. Henson was unproven, but thought of as an exceptional, probably 1st round talent.

PapaL
09-09-2005, 08:15 PM
Why would a GM give 3rd, much less a 2nd round choice for a 3rd sting Qb with one career start?

Not unheard of:
A.J. Feeley - 3rd string QB (McNabb, Koy Detmer). Traded to Miami for 2nd round pick.

Not that I think its going to happen, or agree with it.

Vinny
09-09-2005, 08:15 PM
Not unheard of:
A.J. Feeley - 3rd string QB (McNabb, Koy Detmer). Traded to Miami for 2nd round pick....and then Miami fired everyone.

PapaL
09-09-2005, 08:16 PM
...and then Miami fired everyone.

Didn't say it was wise; said it happened before.

Hervoyel
09-09-2005, 11:53 PM
A- Ragone has had three training camps to move past Banks.

B- Hate specualting on injuries

C-Given A, and possibily B (if poor OL play contributes to the injury) then 50/50 at best.

D- The guy with Dolphins is out of a job largely for bad trades (Lamar Gordon also).

A. Do you think that he was expected to move past Banks during his first training camp? The two starts from his rookie season should tell you everything you need to know to answer that question. Nor did he pass Banks after his second camp. We just watched his third camp and honestly, he may be behind him on the depth chart but I don't have a doubt in my mind which one of the two I'd start of Carr got kidnapped by aliens tomorrow. Banks would have had the worst preseason I've ever laid eyes on if it hadn't been for Carr's play.

B. I agree but they happen and that's how backup QB's get noticed.

C. I think it's a little better than 50/50. I think it is also directly related to how many games he plays and how comfortable he looks out there. Start him four weeks in a row for the Steelers and he might just look a little bit like Big Ben. Start him for the 2003 Texans and....well we saw that didn't we. I think he'd look pretty good in that same situation today but unless it happens we'll never know.

D. Yes he is out of a job but he made the trade and firing him didn't get Miami their pick back did it? There's always someone willing to take a chance (even a foolish chance) in the NFL. I've been watching this league for almost 30 years and I don't think a single year has gone by without someone doing something stupid. Usually that person works for the Lions but that's beside the point. Mike Ditka's going to trade his entire draft for Ricky Williams, The Lions are going to make a bad QB related decision (Scott Mitchell? anyone), and a few teams every season are going to overpay for someone they don't need. Ragone could be that guy who gets over paid and the Texans could be the team that nets a 2 or maybe even a 1 for him. It's just a question of the circumstances falling into place properly.

gr8slayer
09-09-2005, 11:55 PM
Historically, Carr has missed few plays and management seems happy with the solid play of Banks who has a reasonable salary. As the season progresses and QBs start dropping, do we dangle Ragone for a second or high 3rd round in 2006? We have had some good selections with those rounds. I think i'm correct when I say, Banks is signed thru '06 and BJ Symmons remains intriguing for the future back up role. Any thoughts?
Rose colored glasses need to come off buddy. Ragone is worth MAYBE a sixth or worse. Most likely not worth anything at all.

ArlingtonTexan
09-10-2005, 12:51 AM
A. Do you think that he was expected to move past Banks during his first training camp? The two starts from his rookie season should tell you everything you need to know to answer that question. Nor did he pass Banks after his second camp. We just watched his third camp and honestly, he may be behind him on the depth chart but I don't have a doubt in my mind which one of the two I'd start of Carr got kidnapped by aliens tomorrow. Banks would have had the worst preseason I've ever laid eyes on if it hadn't been for Carr's play.

B. I agree but they happen and that's how backup QB's get noticed.

C. I think it's a little better than 50/50. I think it is also directly related to how many games he plays and how comfortable he looks out there. Start him four weeks in a row for the Steelers and he might just look a little bit like Big Ben. Start him for the 2003 Texans and....well we saw that didn't we. I think he'd look pretty good in that same situation today but unless it happens we'll never know.

D. Yes he is out of a job but he made the trade and firing him didn't get Miami their pick back did it? There's always someone willing to take a chance (even a foolish chance) in the NFL. I've been watching this league for almost 30 years and I don't think a single year has gone by without someone doing something stupid. Usually that person works for the Lions but that's beside the point. Mike Ditka's going to trade his entire draft for Ricky Williams, The Lions are going to make a bad QB related decision (Scott Mitchell? anyone), and a few teams every season are going to overpay for someone they don't need. Ragone could be that guy who gets over paid and the Texans could be the team that nets a 2 or maybe even a 1 for him. It's just a question of the circumstances falling into place properly.

A-If Banks is close to being out of the door as I read on this board, then Ragone should have passed him already. Seriously, there has been zero indicaaton from the Texans that Banks is not the 2nd string Qb or that Ragone is 2nd QB. Until Ragone moves past him on the depth chart this is nice message board chatter, but has zero basis in anything that is going on in the organization.

B-OK

C-50/50 is being kind. NLFe and Pre-season is not mid-season, 1st string defenses who are blitzing and trying to confuse a QB. There will be four or five third stringers of differing experiences start this year. Maybe one of them proves to be a solid QB. Could that Ragone, of course, but not a bet I want to make.

D-I assume that the Texans are making a fair trade at fair value with GMs who have a clue.

All of this said, I think Ragone is fine where he is at. The texans don't have another option as a developmental back-up and if comes to a third QB, I would rather a guy who has beeen around for 3 years and shown some talent than the Bachelor or whoever the heck the Texans have been running through here lately for tryouts.

CyberTexan
09-10-2005, 12:57 AM
Rose colored glasses need to come off buddy. Ragone is worth MAYBE a sixth or worse. Most likely not worth anything at all

Well I have to say , I would'nt trade a Ragone for a J.P. Lossman

Fiddy
09-10-2005, 12:59 AM
You could probably try to trade him to the Browns or Dolphins, but you're not getting a first day pick...

rmartin65
09-10-2005, 09:43 AM
the browns would not trade for him, they just drafted charlie frye.

gr8slayer
09-10-2005, 10:51 AM
Well I have to say , I would'nt trade a Ragone for a J.P. Lossman
I wouldnt want him, hell I woudlnt trade Carr for Losman.

rafterticket
09-10-2005, 04:00 PM
Historically, Carr has missed few plays and management seems happy with the solid play of Banks who has a reasonable salary. As the season progresses and QBs start dropping, do we dangle Ragone for a second or high 3rd round in 2006? We have had some good selections with those rounds. I think i'm correct when I say, Banks is signed thru '06 and BJ Symmons remains intriguing for the future back up role. Any thoughts?

Ragone isn't going anywhere because he doesn't have the value. Dave Ragone will be a career Texan because he is a project. He was never expected to be more than second string at an exceptional price. So far, he has met those expectations in the years he has been here. I like him, but that is what he is and all he'll ever be.

See Dallas and Jason Garrett. BUT, if my opinion is ever proven wrong, that will be fine with me.

CyberTexan
09-10-2005, 07:56 PM
I wouldnt want him, hell I woudlnt trade Carr for Losman.

Im glad we both agree on that one Gr8Slayer we wouldnt trade Carr for Loman either :play:

bckey
09-11-2005, 02:20 AM
CyberTexan, I love your avatar. LOL!

thegr8fan
09-11-2005, 09:28 AM
at this point in Ragone's career I think we could get a pack of smokes and a stick of bubble gum. Perhaps with a sucker like the Cowboys, and the Henson deal, maybe the whole pack of Juicy Fruit spearment flavored bubble gum. But that would be stretching his trade value a bit, IMHO.

vtech9
09-11-2005, 11:09 AM
at this point in Ragone's career I think we could get a pack of smokes and a stick of bubble gum. Perhaps with a sucker like the Cowboys, and the Henson deal, maybe the whole pack of Juicy Fruit spearment flavored bubble gum. But that would be stretching his trade value a bit, IMHO.
Ragone's trade value right now is non-existant. Personally, I think Ragone should be our #2 QB, but I think Banks is still the #2 because he is the veteran and he is under contract.
Think about it, if you were with another team, would you really want to trade for a guy that can't beat out Tony Banks to be the #2 QB for the Texans? If nobody wanted Banks as a free agent, why would they want someone that can't beat him?

gr8slayer
09-11-2005, 04:48 PM
You all were right, Carr is so much better than Losman.

crweller2
09-17-2005, 02:37 AM
I agree that Ragone shouldn't go anywhere but for different reasons. I like Ragone as our #2 quarterback and would like to have BJ Symons as our #3 quarterback. Having watched Symons throughout his college career there is no doubt that he has the arm to play the NFL game and is used to big game pressure. Ragone seems to always play well when i've seen him play and i like his mental game much better than Banks. Banks is the ball and chain of our quarterbacks, he has legs but doesn't know when to use them and his decision making ability is sorely lacking even when he's not under pressure. God forbid that Banks sees pressure, at that point he is a major liability. Trade Banks, get what you can for him and give Ragone the backup chance. I firmly beleive that he will surprise all of us.