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Kaiser Toro
09-09-2005, 02:03 PM
If I were Palmer I would throw right at him on some short routes and have AJ just barrell into him.

I think that would set a nice tone for the season.

http://www.democratandchronicle.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050908/SPORTS03/509080338/1021

Clements HT: 6-0, WT: 209
Johnson HT: 6-2, WT: 221

Vinny
09-09-2005, 02:08 PM
Clements is one of the best in the game...it's not going to be that easy.

Kaiser Toro
09-09-2005, 02:11 PM
Clements is one of the best in the game...it's not going to be that easy.

Even when one of the best in the game is banged up, Clements, I agree that it will not be easy. However, I want this team to start taking on a personality or a swagger that says we are taking the game to the opponent.

Hervoyel
09-09-2005, 02:41 PM
Clements is one of the best in the game...it's not going to be that easy.


Agreed of course but then isn't AJ one of the best in the game as well? Clements isn't in for an easy day either. Something's got to give here so being a Texans fan I'm thinking it's got to be Clements until proven otherwise.

:texflag:

Vinny
09-09-2005, 02:42 PM
Clements will get help. They have an ex pro bowler at every position in the secondary..will AJ get help?

Hervoyel
09-09-2005, 02:49 PM
Clements will get help. They have an ex pro bowler at every position in the secondary..will AJ get help?


Now that's the million dollar question isn't it Vinny? I say yeah, he gets help. I think the Texans will have a solid running game come Sunday and Bradford is going to have a good game. Opening day of the season pretty much every year Bradford has a good game.

Porky
09-09-2005, 04:16 PM
Even when one of the best in the game is banged up, Clements, I agree that it will not be easy. However, I want this team to start taking on a personality or a swagger that says we are taking the game to the opponent.

So far, Capers and crew have been content to let the opposition dictate the tempo and pace on both sides of the ball. I am keeping my fingers crossed that they had a revelation during the offseason, but I can't say I am hopeful.

Philisophical Troll
09-09-2005, 05:37 PM
If I were Palmer I would throw right at him on some short routes and have AJ just barrell into him.

I think that would set a nice tone for the season.

http://www.democratandchronicle.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050908/SPORTS03/509080338/1021

Clements HT: 6-0, WT: 209
Johnson HT: 6-2, WT: 221
Do you want your best player to get injured by Clements? Because that is exactly what will happen if he challenges a top 5 cornerback and one of the nastyest hitters in the league. :cool:

LBC_Justin
09-09-2005, 05:59 PM
Do you want your best player to get injured by Clements? Because that is exactly what will happen if he challenges a top 5 cornerback and one of the nastyest hitters in the league. :cool:
Andre Johnson is a big boy. Closer in size to a tight end than to the size of most recievers.

Andre Johnson 6-3 and 219 lbs
Marvin Harrison 6-0 and 175 lbs
Chad Johnson 6-1 and 192 lbs

Nate Clements 5-11 and 209

Clements better be careful or he might end up reinjuring his shoulder.

So I say bring it on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

infantrycak
09-09-2005, 06:04 PM
Andre Johnson 6-3 and 219 lbs


Interesting that AJ has actually dropped weight since being drafted. He was 230 lbs at the combine.

ledzeppelin229
09-09-2005, 06:11 PM
I think the coaches wanted him lighter so he could get in and out of his breaks faster, helping his route running (which was supposed to be one of his weaknesses). I don't have a source but I remember reading something like that, and it would make sense anyway.

I'm not worried about AJ taking a hit from anyone. Roy Williams tattooed him in the preseason game and he just got up like nothing happened. Same with the backflip faceplant against the Vikings when he held on to the ball.

rmartin65
09-09-2005, 06:20 PM
Same with the backflip faceplant against the Vikings when he held on to the ball.
that was one of the coolest things ive ever seen

LBC_Justin
09-09-2005, 06:28 PM
I think the coaches wanted him lighter so he could get in and out of his breaks faster, helping his route running (which was supposed to be one of his weaknesses). I don't have a source but I remember reading something like that, and it would make sense anyway.

I'm not worried about AJ taking a hit from anyone. Roy Williams tattooed him in the preseason game and he just got up like nothing happened. Same with the backflip faceplant against the Vikings when he held on to the ball.
Maybe if he gets blindsided by a monster LB running full speed. I am not worried about any DB hitting him. Is there a DB even close to his size in the league?

#1 Bills Fan
09-09-2005, 07:11 PM
I don't mind the theory, setting the tone for an aggressive game, but it's not going to work as dramatically as you might be envisioning. Clements is a tough CB, even with a bad shoulder. our whole secondary is tough. They can take hits as well as they can give them.

Also, in the event Nate's should is worse than anybody's letting on, don't think the Bills have no depth behind him. You'll be surprised by the athleticism of our backup CBs if it comes to it. Greer and King have been monsters this preseason.

nunusguy
09-09-2005, 07:20 PM
I think the coaches wanted him lighter so he could get in and out of his breaks faster, helping his route running (which was supposed to be one of his weaknesses). I don't have a source but I remember reading something like that, and it would make sense anyway.

There's another thread on the Board that mentions that Babin has lost a few
pounds and we know the whole DLine got smaller over the offseason. Liighter, quicker, more staying power in the 4th quarter - hey, works for me.

Bubbajwp
09-09-2005, 09:49 PM
Maybe if he gets blindsided by a monster LB running full speed. I am not worried about any DB hitting him. Is there a DB even close to his size in the league?
Roy Williams

gr8slayer
09-09-2005, 10:08 PM
Andre Johnson is a big boy. Closer in size to a tight end than to the size of most recievers.

Andre Johnson 6-3 and 219 lbs
Marvin Harrison 6-0 and 175 lbs
Chad Johnson 6-1 and 192 lbs

Nate Clements 5-11 and 209

Clements better be careful or he might end up reinjuring his shoulder.

So I say bring it on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I just wanted to add that Clements shut down Johnson (chad) and Marvin last time we played them. Just alittle history for you.

gr8slayer
09-09-2005, 10:10 PM
Now that's the million dollar question isn't it Vinny? I say yeah, he gets help. I think the Texans will have a solid running game come Sunday and Bradford is going to have a good game. Opening day of the season pretty much every year Bradford has a good game.
All smack talk aside I relaly want to know why you all think you are going to have this huge rushing game against us? We were amongst the best in the league last year when it came to yards against the rush. Just give me a valid reason why, make me understand what makes you so different from the other rushing teams we have faced.

LBC_Justin
09-09-2005, 10:32 PM
I just wanted to add that Clements shut down Johnson (chad) and Marvin last time we played them. Just alittle history for you.
That is the reason I included both of them on there. To show they are not the same type/size of reciever AJ is. They are smaller guys.

Remember Clements got OUT JUMPED by a Jaguar rookie last year for the game winning touch down, that rookie was about the same size as AJ.

Jump ball in the Corner to AJ. LOL I hope Clements is covering him. 5-11 w/ a shorter vertical than AJ. I'll take that match up all day long.
:texflag:

gr8slayer
09-09-2005, 10:33 PM
That is the reason I included both of them on there. To show they are not the same type/size of reciever AJ is. They are smaller guys.

Remember Clements got OUT JUMPED by a Jaguar rookie last year for the game winning touch down, that rookie was about the same size as AJ.

Jump ball in the Corner to AJ. LOL I hope Clements is covering him. 5-11 w/ a shorter vertical than AJ. I'll take that match up all day long.
:texflag:
You must not have watched much of that game. There happened to be five Bills in the area when that happened and one of them was not Nate, it was actually Coy Wire who got beat on coverage. Wire is a back up SS who was only in the game because of an injury to Lawyer Milloy, Preilou was in on the other side because of an injury to Vincent. This game both Milloy and Vincent are perfect. There is a reason why Clements is about to become the highest paid CB in the league.

gr8slayer
09-09-2005, 10:43 PM
Nate Clements

4.33 in the 40-yard dash...38-inch vertical jump.

http://www.jsonline.com/packer/rev/apr01/defensivebacks-nateclements.asp

Andre Johnson

4.3 in the 40-yard dash … 41¼-inch vertical jump

http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/johnson_andre

So explain to me again, where the huge difference is?

One is six feet tall and one is six two, who cares?

gr8slayer
09-09-2005, 10:45 PM
Clements rated number four CB in the league by Yahoo.

NO. 4 NATE CLEMENTS (Buffalo Bills)
Strengths: Excels in man coverage. Is physical, aggressive and confident. Will smother receivers at the line and is great at taking them out of their routes early. Can turn and run without losing much in transition; has explosive speed and can make up for mistakes. Has excellent closing burst when the ball is in the air. Has surprising change-of-direction skills. Has tremendous ball skills, including exceptional hands and leaping ability. Is a superb return specialist and a threat with the ball.
Weaknesses: Must improve his concentration and recognition skills. Loses focus at times and does not pay attention to detail. Relies on his physical tools and speed too much. Takes too many chances.
Bottom line: If Clements shows focus and cuts down on his mental lapses, he could become one of the league's top two corners. Grade: 8.4

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=05tsnpreview-cb&prov=tsn&type=lgns

LBC_Justin
09-09-2005, 10:57 PM
You must not have watched much of that game. There happened to be five Bills in the area when that happened and one of them was not Nate, it was actually Coy Wire who got beat on coverage. Wire is a back up SS who was only in the game because of an injury to Lawyer Milloy, Preilou was in on the other side because of an injury to Vincent. This game both Milloy and Vincent are perfect. There is a reason why Clements is about to become the highest paid CB in the league.my bad.
http://www.democratandchronicle.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20040913/SPORTS0102/409130326/1007/SPORTS
Your right Jimmy Johnson muscled the ball away from Nate.
Their rookie out jumped three players - safeties Izell Reese and Coy Wire along with linebacker Takeo Spikes.

But expect to see Andre get a jump ball in the corner. The monster paycheck Clements is going to get(which he deserves) isn't going to save him.

:texflag:

LBC_Justin
09-09-2005, 11:00 PM
Nate Clements

4.33 in the 40-yard dash...38-inch vertical jump.

http://www.jsonline.com/packer/rev/apr01/defensivebacks-nateclements.asp

Andre Johnson

4.3 in the 40-yard dash … 41¼-inch vertical jump

http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/johnson_andre

So explain to me again, where the huge difference is?

One is six feet tall and one is six two, who cares?

Andre Johnson is 6 foot - 3 inches
Nate Clements is 5 foot-11 1/4 inches

add the height difference to the vertical jump difference and you get....

7 inches higher jump. That is freakin huge.

gr8slayer
09-09-2005, 11:01 PM
my bad.
http://www.democratandchronicle.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20040913/SPORTS0102/409130326/1007/SPORTS
Your right Jimmy Johnson muscled the ball away from Nate.
Their rookie out jumped three players - safeties Izell Reese and Coy Wire along with linebacker Takeo Spikes.

But expect to see Andre get a jump ball in the corner. The monster paycheck Clements is going to get(which he deserves) isn't going to save him.

:texflag:
It is impossible to be perfect on every play. If you want to talk about the Texans players and bad play we would be here all night. Keep in mind that you have done nothing to earn the respect of any team in the NFL.

LBC_Justin
09-09-2005, 11:06 PM
It is impossible to be perfect on every play. If you want to talk about the Texans players and bad play we would be here all night. Keep in mind that you have done nothing to earn the respect of any team in the NFL.
I wasn't blaming him. He made it mistake it happens to the best. But the point is even a highly skilled cover corner can't cover a guy on a jump ball if the reciever is his much taller,and has a higher vertical (unless there is pass interference)

gr8slayer
09-09-2005, 11:07 PM
Andre Johnson is 6 foot - 3 inches
Nate Clements is 5 foot-11 1/4 inches

add the height difference to the vertical jump difference and you get....

7 1/2 inches higher jump. That is freakin huge.
Funny, he is 6'2 on some web pages and 6'3 on others. BTW, this wont be the first big WR Nate has faced. Larry Fitzgerald was no problem, Randy Moss (alittle injured sure but still Randy) did poorly. Justin McCarens (SP?) not the smallest WR in the league.

I might also add that Johnson did poorly against poor Secondaries.

Indy x2

Tenn x2

Chicago

Jax (second game)

Cleveland

Crank_It_Up
09-09-2005, 11:09 PM
If I were Palmer I would throw right at him on some short routes and have AJ just barrell into him.

I think that would set a nice tone for the season.

http://www.democratandchronicle.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050908/SPORTS03/509080338/1021

Clements HT: 6-0, WT: 209
Johnson HT: 6-2, WT: 221
not so fast, there's more to it than size...the receiver's head, arms, and eyes are looking back for the ball, but the defender has the luxury of playing a little soft if he wants to, giving a little cushion and timing the hit with the delivery of the ball in an attempt to catch the receiver in a vulnerable position...not a pretty sight

gr8slayer
09-09-2005, 11:09 PM
I wasn't blaming him. He made it mistake it happens to the best. But the point is even a highly skilled cover corner can't cover a guy on a jump ball if the reciever is his much taller,and has a higher vertical (unless there is pass interference)
Im curious to know what you think of the person actually throwing the ball to Johnson?

Do you honestly think that he is going to have time to let Johnson get open? We were the number two Defense in the NFL (number three the year before), we were third in the NFL in sacks, number one for scoring on Defense, we were amongst the leaders when it came to yards, we had the number one ST's.

How are you going into this game this confident about your Offense against the number two defense?

Hervoyel
09-09-2005, 11:10 PM
All smack talk aside I relaly want to know why you all think you are going to have this huge rushing game against us? We were amongst the best in the league last year when it came to yards against the rush. Just give me a valid reason why, make me understand what makes you so different from the other rushing teams we have faced.


Last year, last year, last year. Big deal about last year. The day after tomorrow the 2005 football season starts for us (and you) and while I'm impressed with what your team did last year I'm not going to start worrying about you stopping Domanick Davis until you do it this year.

I am not about to hope for an injury to anyone on your team (this is merely an example I'm throwing out here) but in one play a guy can go down (Say for instance Seth Payne of the Texans going down in 2003) and your run-stuffing defense can turn into a turnstile defense in an instant. Players don't always come back the next year playing like they did the year before (Say for instance Gary Walker playing 2002 like a man posessed and then being almost non-existent in 2003 because of nagging injuries). You had a great defense in 2004 but it doesn't mean you automatically get one in 2005 even if you return the exact same players.

Simple enough to understand?

What I want to know is why a Bills fan has so much trouble comprehending opening day optimism on another teams board. I know the past few years haven't been anything spectacular for you guys but I find it hard to believe that you don't remember what it's like to feel really good about your teams chances prior to the season starting.

Dude I believe in our guys and I think they're ready for a breakout kind of season starting at your house at your teams expense. Come back and laugh at me if I'm wrong (I'll be here) but also come back and acknowledge it if I'm right too.

eMoulds
09-09-2005, 11:10 PM
Your right Jimmy Johnson muscled the ball away from Nate.


Wrong again. Clements had perfect coverage and wen't for the pick instead of knocking it down. The ball went through his hands and they picked up the fourth down. A mental lapse for sure, but Clements is as strong as almost every WR in the league.

gr8slayer
09-09-2005, 11:13 PM
Last year, last year, last year. Big deal about last year. The day after tomorrow the 2005 football season starts for us (and you) and while I'm impressed with what your team did last year I'm not going to start worrying about you stopping Domanick Davis until you do it this year.

I am not about to hope for an injury to anyone on your team (this is merely an example I'm throwing out here) but in one play a guy can go down (Say for instance Seth Payne of the Texans going down in 2003) and your run-stuffing defense can turn into a turnstile defense in an instant. Players don't always come back the next year playing like they did the year before (Say for instance Gary Walker playing 2002 like a man posessed and then being almost non-existent in 2003 because of nagging injuries). You had a great defense in 2004 but it doesn't mean you automatically get one in 2005 even if you return the exact same players.

Simple enough to understand?

What I want to know is why a Bills fan has so much trouble comprehending opening day optimism on another teams board. I know the past few years haven't been anything spectacular for you guys but I find it hard to believe that you don't remember what it's like to feel really good about your teams chances prior to the season starting.

Dude I believe in our guys and I think they're ready for a breakout kind of season starting at your house at your teams expense. Come back and laugh at me if I'm wrong (I'll be here) but also come back and acknowledge it if I'm right too.We were also the number three Defense the year before so we reserve the right to be more than confident that our Defense can get the job done.

I will be back here to either feed the crow or eat it.

And if we lose Ill wish you a great season and accept that you were the better team on that day. If we win Ill still come back and wish you a great season knowing that we were the better team that day.

gr8slayer
09-09-2005, 11:14 PM
LBC I must know who this Jimmy Johnson guy you speak of is? I dont recall him being with the Jags last year. Do you mean Jimmy Smith? Not trying to be a smart ***, just wondering cause I seriously dont remember a Jimmy Johnson.

Hervoyel
09-09-2005, 11:14 PM
Oh yeah and gr8slayer, once this week is over would you guys please beat down the Patriots for everyone in this country who's thinking "That was great really but if I hear the words "Belichick" and "Genius" together in the same sentence one more time I'm going puke.

Thanks for that in advance.

It's like "Ok, we get it. Dynasty. Cool. Thank You, That was an entertaining few years. Yes, please , let's move along now"

Know what I mean?

gr8slayer
09-09-2005, 11:16 PM
Oh yeah and gr8slayer, once this week is over would you guys please beat down the Patriots for everyone in this country who's thinking "That was great really but if I hear the words "Belichick" and "Genius" together in the same sentence one more time I'm going puke.

Thanks for that in advance.
Oh man trust me, we want blood when we face the Patriots any year. Hoping for no injuries is off when that week comes.

Crank_It_Up
09-09-2005, 11:21 PM
Oh man trust me, we want blood when we face the Patriots any year. Hoping for no injuries is off when that week comes.LOL, please just blitz that freakin Brady every play, I'd concede a few points in the first half to knock him out of the game

gr8slayer
09-09-2005, 11:22 PM
LOL, please just blitz that freakin Brady every play, I'd concede a few points in the first half to knock him out of the game
I would love to see TKO get a free shot at pretty boy. Man that would be a beautiful thing.

gr8slayer
09-09-2005, 11:25 PM
grrrrrrr..... I know Im going to get some flak for this but do you all realize that AJ only has ten TD's in his career? Thats not good for a "big WR play WR." Hell our rookie (Lee Evans) who no one in the NFL seems to know had nine last year alone.

IF I was going only by number I would say AJ is another Keyshawn, all yards no TD's. Anyway, just found those stats interesting and Keyshawn was the first person to come to mind.

LBC_Justin
09-09-2005, 11:27 PM
Funny, he is 6'2 on some web pages and 6'3 on others. BTW, this wont be the first big WR Nate has faced. Larry Fitzgerald was no problem, Randy Moss (alittle injured sure but still Randy) did poorly. Justin McCarens (SP?) not the smallest WR in the league.

I might also add that Johnson did poorly against poor Secondaries.

Indy x2

Tenn x2

Chicago

Jax (second game)

Cleveland
Everyone in the AFC South has bad secondary stats. Want to know why? We have to face Peyton Manning twice a year and almost every high powered offense in the league. Not good for your pass protection stats.

You mentioned the AFC South teams as having bad secondary stats.
The Texans(and most of the AFC South) had to played the following teams:
Colts (Twice) - #1 offense in the league
Chiefs - #2 offense in the league
Chargers - #3 offense in the league
Packers - #5 offense in the league
Vikings - #6 offense in the league
Broncos #9 offense in the league

The AFC South has some great DBs - last year the Titans had - Samari Rolle, Andre Rolle (Hardly Poor Secondary)

gr8slayer
09-09-2005, 11:28 PM
Everyone in the AFC South has bad secondary stats. Want to know why? We have to face Peyton Manning twice a year and almost every high powered offense in the league. Not good for your pass protection stats.

You mentioned the AFC South teams as having bad secondary stats.
The Texans(and most of the AFC South) had to played the following teams:
Colts (Twice) - #1 offense in the league
Chiefs - #2 offense in the league
Chargers - #3 offense in the league
Packers - #5 offense in the league
Vikings - #6 offense in the league
Broncos #9 offense in the league

The AFC South has some great DBs - last year the Titans had - Samari Rolle, Andre Rolle (Hardly Poor Secondary)
I was basing my statement on a game by game basis for Andre, not on how good the Offenses in the South were.

gr8slayer
09-09-2005, 11:29 PM
Andre put up bad numbers against the teams I mentioned before hand. That was the whole point of the post.

gr8slayer
09-09-2005, 11:31 PM
Just a misunderstanding.

eMoulds
09-09-2005, 11:35 PM
Andre will be partly shutdown by Clements and partly by the Bills pass rush.

gr8slayer
09-09-2005, 11:36 PM
Have you all seen a Defense like your about to see on Sunday? Im curious to know what was the last great D you all faced? Honest question.

LBC_Justin
09-09-2005, 11:37 PM
grrrrrrr..... I know Im going to get some flak for this but do you all realize that AJ only has ten TD's in his career? Thats not good for a "big WR play WR." Hell our rookie (Lee Evans) who no one in the NFL seems to know had nine last year alone.

IF I was going only by number I would say AJ is another Keyshawn, all yards no TD's. Anyway, just found those stats interesting and Keyshawn was the first person to come to mind.
Lack of a #2 receiver is taking a toll on Andre's scoring. Actually one of the main concerns of the team.

Eric Moulds didn't have very many TD's last year (5), because he drew the coverage and Evens got the TDs.

gr8slayer
09-09-2005, 11:39 PM
Lack of a #2 receiver is taking a toll on Andre's scoring. Actually one of the main concerns of the team.

Eric Moulds didn't have very many TD's last year (5), because he drew the coverage and Evens got the TDs.
Eric Moulds demands the double team too much to get any TD's. If you all are hurting so bad for a number two WR why didnt you draft one or a freaking LT! instead of drafting a damn DL this year?

Your front office is nuts man, David Carr is Drew Bledsoe to me untill he gets more help.

I would love for the Texans to be my number two favorite team (living in Texas and all) but your front office is too stupid IMO.

eMoulds
09-09-2005, 11:40 PM
Lack of a #2 receiver is taking a toll on Andre's scoring. Actually one of the main concerns of the team.

Eric Moulds didn't have very many TD's last year (5), because he drew the coverage and Evens got the TDs.

Which receiver benefited from Johnson and caught 9 TDs?

That's the difference between an elite WR like Moulds and one who isn't quite there yet like Johnson.

gr8slayer
09-09-2005, 11:42 PM
Which receiver benefited from Johnson and caught 9 TDs?

That's the difference between an elite WR like Moulds and one who isn't quite there yet like Johnson.
Well, I wouldnt call Moulds elite anymore. But alot better than 80% of the WR's in the NFL, maybe.

gr8slayer
09-09-2005, 11:43 PM
LBC, another thing you must consider when thinking about Eric Moulds is the QB's who have been thrownig him the balls over the years.

Doug Flutie
Rob Johnson
Alex Van Pelt
Travis Brown
Drew Bledsoe

I mean come on.

There was actually a time three years ago where Philly offered Moulds a HUGE contract to go to Philly, he declined and took more money to remain a Bill. Just alittle Moulds history.

LBC_Justin
09-09-2005, 11:43 PM
Have you all seen a Defense like your about to see on Sunday? Im curious to know what was the last great D you all faced? Honest question.
Depends on how you meassure a great defense?
I think scoring is the most important stat. (Others may disagree)

- Jacksonville allowed less points than the Bills last year. We beat them 20-6, 21-0.
- Jets had a better Defense in both points allowed and yards than the Bills did last year. They shut us down. 29-7.

LOL we see you guys being more like the Jags, than the Jets. ( :) )

eMoulds
09-09-2005, 11:45 PM
Well, I wouldnt call Moulds elite anymore. But alot better than 80% of the WR's in the NFL, maybe.

He's averaged 85 catches over the past three years despite nagging injuries and constant double teams. Look for another season with close to 100 catches. He's still elite.

gr8slayer
09-09-2005, 11:46 PM
Depends on how you meassure a great defense?
I think scoring is the most important stat. (Others may disagree)

- Jacksonville allowed less points than the Bills last year. We beat them 20-6, 21-0.
- Jets had a better Defense in both points allowed and yards than the Bills did last year. They shut us down. 29-7.

LOL we see you guys being more like the Jags, than the Jets. ( :) )
I would honestly like a link to your stats about the Jets vs. the Bills.

We beat the Jets last year :)

Our scoring Defense was amongst the best and we had the number one ST's, goodness stats get boring after a while.

Fiddy
09-09-2005, 11:46 PM
Which receiver benefited from Johnson and caught 9 TDs?

That's the difference between an elite WR like Moulds and one who isn't quite there yet like Johnson. Well, no one catches TDs on this team because once we get inside the 20, it becomes the re-run of "The Davis Show." Dumpoffs to Davis, runs to the left by Davis, runs to the right by Davis, runs up the middle to Davis. He even had a 5 yard TD reception last year. 11 of his 13 rushing TDs we from one yard out and another 1 from two yards out. (pretty sure, may have been one less one yarder and instead of that a 5 yarder).

We dont throw to WRs in the redzone. You may want to know that.

gr8slayer
09-09-2005, 11:47 PM
He's averaged 85 catches over the past three years despite nagging injuries and constant double teams. Look for another season with close to 100 catches. He's still elite.
Elite is for guys like Moss, Owens, Harrison, Chad Johnson etc........

Moulds is more in the category with guys like Jimmy Smith, Rod Smith, maybe Andre Johnson etc.......... He has lost a step or two n the past few years.

gr8slayer
09-09-2005, 11:48 PM
Well, no one catches TDs on this team because once we get inside the 20, it becomes the re-run of "The Davis Show." Dumpoffs to Davis, runs to the left by Davis, runs to the right by Davis, runs up the middle to Davis. He even had a 5 yard TD reception last year. 11 of his 14 rushing TDs we from one yard out and another 1 from two yards out.
Do they not trust Johnson?

LBC_Justin
09-09-2005, 11:48 PM
Which receiver benefited from Johnson and caught 9 TDs?

That's the difference between an elite WR like Moulds and one who isn't quite there yet like Johnson.
Actually all it shows is that we lack a #2 reciever the quality of Evans. It isn't a knock against Johnson.

eMoulds
09-09-2005, 11:48 PM
Well, no one catches TDs on this team because once we get inside the 20, it becomes the re-run of "The Davis Show." Dumpoffs to Davis, runs to the left by Davis, runs to the right by Davis, runs up the middle to Davis. He even had a 5 yard TD reception last year. 11 of his 14 rushing TDs we from one yard out and another 1 from two yards out.

And Willis would have scored 20 touchdowns had he started the whole year. Every team likes to punch it in when they're in the red zone. What's your point?

Fiddy
09-09-2005, 11:49 PM
Do they not trust Johnson? They dont trust Carr...

gr8slayer
09-09-2005, 11:49 PM
They dont trust Carr...
Sounds like Johnson has the same problem Moulds has had all his career, bad QB play.

LBC_Justin
09-09-2005, 11:50 PM
I would honestly like a link to your stats about the Jets vs. the Bills.

We beat the Jets last year :)

Our scoring Defense was amongst the best and we had the number one ST's, goodness stats get boring after a while.
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/tmstats2004.htm

Fiddy
09-09-2005, 11:51 PM
And Willis would have scored 20 touchdowns had he started the whole year. Every team likes to punch it in when they're in the red zone. What's your point? The point is that another WR on the Texans hasnt gotten 9 TDs in a season because of the way we play down in the redzone. Gaff and Bradford are rarely ever targeted in the redzone. It is a quick read to AJ, and if he is not open, a quick dump to Davis. It's Carr's fault for not looking to other WRs, he doesnt even give them a chance...

LBC_Justin
09-09-2005, 11:55 PM
Eric Moulds demands the double team too much to get any TD's. If you all are hurting so bad for a number two WR why didnt you draft one or a freaking LT! instead of drafting a damn DL this year?

Your front office is nuts man, David Carr is Drew Bledsoe to me untill he gets more help.

I would love for the Texans to be my number two favorite team (living in Texas and all) but your front office is too stupid IMO.
Trust me we needed to draft someone for the pass rush. We had an eye on a few recievers but they didn't drop to us in the draft. LT class was really weak this year. Next year is suppose to be one of the strongest Tackle classes ever.

Actually The Texans have been very successful with our draft pics. If they have done anything right it has been drafting. You have to remember as an expansion team we still have a lot of holes to fill.

Oh and Carr is nothing like Bledsoe. Carr is very Mobile, makes few mistakes. But he has been getting pounded on, gets very little time to throw, and doesn't have many weapons outside of Johnson and Davis.

gr8slayer
09-09-2005, 11:57 PM
Trust me we needed to draft someone for the pass rush. We had an eye on a few recievers but they didn't drop to us in the draft. LT class was really weak this year. Next year is suppose to be one of the strongest Tackle classes ever.

Actually The Texans have been very successful with our draft pics. If they have done anything right it has been drafting. You have to remember as an expansion team we still have a lot of holes to fill.

Oh and Carr is nothing like Bledsoe. Carr is very Mobile, makes few mistakes. But he has been getting pounded on, gets very little time to throw, and doesn't have many weapons outside of Johnson and Davis.
I have also seen Carr make some VERY stupid mistakes that only QB's like Bledsoe would make. Like Losman, untill Carr puts up a Pro Bowl season he is just another first round bust in my eyes.

LBC_Justin
09-09-2005, 11:58 PM
And Willis would have scored 20 touchdowns had he started the whole year. Every team likes to punch it in when they're in the red zone. What's your point?
LOL you must have never seen a Texans game before.

1-10 run
2-long run
3-long run

Palmer likes to call runing plays, even when we should be passing.

gr8slayer
09-10-2005, 12:00 AM
LOL you must have never seen a Texans game before.

1-10 run
2-long run
3-long run

Palmer likes to call runing plays, even when we should be passing.
Perhaps Palmer is your biggest problem.

Fiddy
09-10-2005, 12:00 AM
...and doesn't have many weapons outside of Johnson and Davis. He has them, he just doesnt use them.

Fiddy
09-10-2005, 12:01 AM
Perhaps Palmer is your biggest problem. OHHHH NOOOOOO, this may turn into yet ANOTHER Palmer bashing thread very soon. Thank you very much :thud:

LBC_Justin
09-10-2005, 12:02 AM
I have also seen Carr make some VERY stupid mistakes that only QB's like Bledsoe would make. Like Losman, untill Carr puts up a Pro Bowl season he is just another first round bust in my eyes.Actually I post it somewhere on this board. A link on ESPN that measured QBs decision making. In the entire NFL only two QBs made fewer mistakes than Carr. Lots of his interceptions are from tipped balls. I'll see if I can find it.

No way you can call him a bust playing behind our offensive line. I don't think you truely grasp exactly how piss poor our O-line has been the last 3 years. It has been the worst in NFL history!!! Imagine being a rookie QB behind the worst O-line in NFL history!!!! Carr doesn't even know what pass protection is.

LBC_Justin
09-10-2005, 12:03 AM
OHHHH NOOOOOO, this may turn into yet ANOTHER Palmer bashing thread very soon. Thank you very much :thud:
I won't go into Palmer. But it seems to be the concensus around here that he will be the first to go. I'll leave it at that.

gr8slayer
09-10-2005, 12:04 AM
Actually I post it somewhere on this board. A link on ESPN that measured QBs decision making. In the entire NFL only two QBs made fewer mistakes than Carr. Lots of his interceptions are from tipped balls. I'll see if I can find it.

No way you can call him a bust playing behind our offensive line. I don't think you truely grasp exactly how piss poor our O-line has been the last 3 years. It has been the worst in NFL history!!! Imagine being a rookie QB behind the worst O-line in NFL history!!!! Carr doesn't even know what pass protection is.
I have seen the Texans play both live and on TV enough to know that Carr is a bad QB. Im not trying to be a dick Im just giving my honest opinion on the guy. If Losman sucks this season I will be saying the same damn thing about him.

LBC_Justin
09-10-2005, 12:05 AM
He has them, he just doesnt use them.
In the .5 seconds of pass protection he gets he sees to options. Throw to the tall guy or dump off to the guy right in front of him. LOL

QBs field visions tends to improve around their 5th year in the league. Give him time.

gr8slayer
09-10-2005, 12:06 AM
In the .5 seconds of pass protection he gets he sees to options. Throw to the tall guy or dump off to the guy right in front of him. LOL

QBs field visions tends to improve around their 5th year in the league. Give him time.
In the FA era you dont have five years to wait around though when it comes to a QB contract.

LBC_Justin
09-10-2005, 12:09 AM
I have seen the Texans play both live and on TV enough to know that Carr is a bad QB. Im not trying to be a dick Im just giving my honest opinion on the guy. If Losman sucks this season I will be saying the same damn thing about him. No dissrepect to your opinion but a LOT of Experts would disagree with you. I am not going to waste any time convincing you otherwise. Just watch as many Texans games as you can this year.

Bills and Steelers are a tough start, defense wise, but it will get easier for him. I expect him to hit a nice 5-6 game midseason groove.

LBC_Justin
09-10-2005, 12:12 AM
In the FA era you dont have five years to wait around though when it comes to a QB contract.Peyton Manning could not have played behind our O-line the last 3 years. For the first two years Carr didn't even have a solid #1 reciever let alone a good #2. If you know a lot about football and you actually watch all the texans games you would know that Carr is one of our bright spots...but alas Football is a team sport.

I wouldn't take JP Losman and your next years #1 pick for David Carr. :texflag:

gr8slayer
09-10-2005, 12:12 AM
No dissrepect to your opinion but a LOT of Experts would disagree with you. I am not going to waste any time convincing you otherwise. Just watch as many Texans games as you can this year.

Bills and Steelers are a tough start, defense wise, but it will get easier for him. I expect him to hit a nice 5-6 game midseason groove.
Living in Texas I dont have much of a choice but to watch Texan games. But if you can beat one of your first two opponents it will go a LONG way in proving alot of people wrong.

Its nice to see a realistic Texan fan that doesnt think this weeks game is going to be a cake walk.

gr8slayer
09-10-2005, 12:13 AM
Peyton Manning could not have played behind our O-line the last 3 years. For the first two years Carr didn't even have a solid #1 reciever let alone a good #2. If you know a lot about football and you actually watch all the texans games you would know that Carr is one of our bright spots...but alas Football is a team sport.

I wouldn't take JP Losman and your next years #1 pick for David Carr. :texflag:
We wouldnt give you JP for Carr and your number one next year either. Too much potential.

Fiddy
09-10-2005, 12:13 AM
In the .5 seconds of pass protection he gets he sees to options. Throw to the tall guy or dump off to the guy right in front of him. LOL

QBs field visions tends to improve around their 5th year in the league. Give him time. There were times when it was bad, but he still had times where he could have made plays to open WRs but didnt look their ways and locked down on Davis. And I mean LOCKED down on Davis. Davis wouldnt have turned around yet and Carr was already looking at him.

gr8slayer
09-10-2005, 12:15 AM
I am one of those people who thinks EVERYONE has four years to prove themselves once they are drafted. Correct me if Im wrong but this is Carr's fourth year correct?

Ithaca Bills Fan
09-10-2005, 12:15 AM
Last year, last year, last year. Big deal about last year.


And yet, your fellow Texans fans seem to care quite a bit about TWO years ago when you came to Buffalo and beat us. Hmm...

LBC_Justin
09-10-2005, 12:16 AM
Living in Texas I dont have much of a choice but to watch Texan games. But if you can beat one of your first two opponents it will go a LONG way in proving alot of people wrong.

Its nice to see a realistic Texan fan that doesnt think this weeks game is going to be a cake walk.I know it won't be easy. I also know the Johnson/Nate match up is not really the key to the game. The key is how JP Losman plays.

This game could go either way. No honest Bills fan can tell me you aren't at least a little nervous about having a first time starter as your QB, (especially after his preseason).

LBC_Justin
09-10-2005, 12:17 AM
I am one of those people who thinks EVERYONE has four years to prove themselves once they are drafted. Correct me if Im wrong but this is Carr's fourth year correct?
Six words: Worst Offensive line in NFL history!!!

But your right Carr better have a good year this year. No excuses.

gr8slayer
09-10-2005, 12:19 AM
I know it won't be easy. I also know the Johnson/Nate match up is not really the key to the game. The key is how JP Losman plays.

This game could go either way. No honest Bills fan can tell me you aren't at least a little nervous about having a first time starter as your QB, (especially after his preseason).
To tell you the truth I dont feel that the way JP plays will determine which way this game goes. Mularkey's Offense is set up around the running game to take pressure off the QB. He would rather not have the QB win the game for us. I dont see JP throwing more than 24 times on Sunday. One thing we always bank on is our Defense and our ST's, thankfully for us we can count on them.

JP is in a situation very similar to Roethlisberger's situation last season. Great Defense, great running game, but JP has ST's to back him up. No I did not just say that JP would go 13-1 as a starter but that his situation is quite similar in many ways.

LBC_Justin
09-10-2005, 12:19 AM
I have seen the Texans play both live and on TV enough to know that Carr is a bad QB. Im not trying to be a dick Im just giving my honest opinion on the guy. If Losman sucks this season I will be saying the same damn thing about him.
Your from Dallas. If you watched the Cowboys vs Dallas, I wouldn't blame you for thinking Carr is bad. That was a bad game.

gr8slayer
09-10-2005, 12:20 AM
Six words: Worst Offensive line in NFL history!!!

But your right Carr better have a good year this year. No excuses.
Hey man, we have/had just as bad of an OL as you all have had the past three years. So dont worry about convincing me how important the OL is, hell I am a college OL so Im bias as it is. But when you are a first over all pick and your getting paid what he gets paid you need to produce, you need to FIND a way. If Carr doesnt pan out this year Dom is gone and Jerry Gray is your new coach.

gr8slayer
09-10-2005, 12:21 AM
Your from Dallas. If you watched the Cowboys vs Dallas, I wouldn't blame you for thinking Carr is bad. That was a bad game.
I actually just moved to Dallas about a month ago. Im originally from the Rio Grande Valley (pretty much Mexico)

Fiddy
09-10-2005, 12:22 AM
I know it won't be easy. I also know the Johnson/Nate match up is not really the key to the game. The key is how JP Losman plays. The key is 3 new Texans starting LBs (Peek, Greenwood, Wong moving inside) vs. Willis McGahee (who i need to have a nice game for fantasy reasons... :( )

If McGahee dominates like he can, the game wont be in Losman's hands...

LBC_Justin
09-10-2005, 12:26 AM
To tell you the truth I dont feel that the way JP plays will determine which way this game goes. Mularkey's Offense is set up around the running game to take pressure off the QB. He would rather not have the QB win the game for us. I dont see JP throwing more than 24 times on Sunday. One thing we always bank on is our Defense and our ST's, thankfully for us we can count on them.

JP is in a situation very similar to Roethlisberger's situation last season. Great Defense, great running game, but JP has ST's to back him up. No I did not just say that JP would go 13-1 as a starter but that his situation is quite similar in many ways.
First off you can't even compare Pittsburgh and Bills.
Steelers had the #1 defense. And more importantly they had TWO good running backs and one of the best offensive line ever assembled.(Let that last comment sink in a little.) The fact that the Steelers could run the ball 618 times (most in NFL) and only need to pass 358 time (least in the NFL). The Bills are not even close to being in that type of situation with Losman.

LBC_Justin
09-10-2005, 12:28 AM
Hey man, we have/had just as bad of an OL as you all have had the past three years. So dont worry about convincing me how important the OL is, hell I am a college OL so Im bias as it is. But when you are a first over all pick and your getting paid what he gets paid you need to produce, you need to FIND a way. If Carr doesnt pan out this year Dom is gone and Jerry Gray is your new coach.
First the Bills OL has not been just as bad as ours. Maybe they have been bad but not even close to ours.

Carr and Dom have this season and next. Take that to the bank.
(Unless Carr has his worst season ever and the Texans go 3-13. Then who knows maybe heads will roll.)

gr8slayer
09-10-2005, 12:30 AM
First off you can't even compare Pittsburgh and Bills.
Steelers had the #1 defense. And more importantly they had TWO good running backs and one of the best offensive line ever assembled.(Let that last comment sink in a little.) The fact that the Steelers could run the ball 618 times (most in NFL) and only need to pass 358 time (least in the NFL). The Bills are not even close to being in that type of situation with Losman.
So they were the number one D and we were number two. Shocking difference. I never said our OL was as good as theirs but our running game is. McGahee is twice the RB that the Bus and Staley are (one because of age and the other because of injury). Im going to go out on a limb here and say that you watched less than two starts for McGahee last year. The guy is going to get 30 carries a game this season. We also have something the Steelers didnt have, ST's. I dont know how you all think in Houston but in football ST's is just as important as any other part of the game. You WILL NOT see Losman throw more than 30 times at any point this season, write that down, tattoo it on yourself, whatever you all do there in Houston. People also forget that like Roethlisberger JP can run and doesnt need as good of an OL when he is outside the pocket buying himself sometime with his feet.

LBC_Justin
09-10-2005, 12:30 AM
The key is 3 new Texans starting LBs (Peek, Greenwood, Wong moving inside) vs. Willis McGahee (who i need to have a nice game for fantasy reasons... :( )

If McGahee dominates like he can, the game wont be in Losman's hands...I think if McGahee starts running well the Texans stack the box and force Losman to throw, even Dare Losman to throw. Make him earn it in the air(which if there is man-on-man coverage he may be able to do).

gr8slayer
09-10-2005, 12:31 AM
First the Bills OL has not been just as bad as ours. Maybe they have been bad but not even close to ours.

Carr and Dom have this season and next. Take that to the bank.
(Unless Carr has his worst season ever and the Texans go 3-13. Then who knows maybe heads will roll.)
If the Texans finish third again Dom is gone.

gr8slayer
09-10-2005, 12:32 AM
I think if McGahee starts running well the Texans stack the box and force Losman to throw, even Dare Losman to throw. Make him earn it in the air(which if there is man-on-man coverage he may be able to do).
McGahee saw the box stacked ALL YEAR last year and did just fine, Im not too worried about the box. McGahee was also playing at 85% last season, according to him he is now back to his Miami days form. If he is right we might have a top five RB on our hands.

LBC_Justin
09-10-2005, 12:35 AM
So they were the number one D and we were number two. Shocking difference. I never said our OL was as good as theirs but our running game is. McGahee is twice the RB that the Bus and Staley are (one because of age and the other because of injury). Im going to go out on a limb here and say that you watched less than two starts for McGahee last year. The guy is going to get 30 carries this season. We also have something the Steelers didnt have, ST's. I dont know how you all think in Houston but in football ST's is just as important as any other part of the game. You WILL NOT see Losman throw more than 30 times at any point this season, write that down, tattoo it on yourself, whatever you all do there in Houston. People also forget that like Roethlisberger JP can run and doesnt need as good of an OL when he is outside the pocket buying himself sometime with his feet.If Loeman ends up outside of the pocket throwing the ball he will get himself in trouble.

There is no way you can convince me that JP is walking into a situation even remotely close to the situation Roethlisberger had last year. More like the situation that Leftwich was in.

gr8slayer
09-10-2005, 12:36 AM
If Loeman ends up outside of the pocket throwing the ball he will get himself in trouble.

There is no way you can convince me that JP is walking into a situation even remotely close to the situation Roethlisberger had last year. More like the situation that Leftwich was in.
Give me one thing other than OL the Steelers have that we dont have? The OL is a given when comparing them to any team.

LBC_Justin
09-10-2005, 12:37 AM
If the Texans finish third again Dom is gone.They love Dom in Houston. The management loves him. Even in third place he gets 1 more year.

LOL Not sure why we are arguing over this as only CC and McNair can decide this.

gr8slayer
09-10-2005, 12:37 AM
If Loeman ends up outside of the pocket throwing the ball he will get himself in trouble.

There is no way you can convince me that JP is walking into a situation even remotely close to the situation Roethlisberger had last year. More like the situation that Leftwich was in.
Thowing outside the pocket is what made him a first round pick. The guy played behind what many "draft experts" thought was one of the worst OL's in college football.

gr8slayer
09-10-2005, 12:38 AM
They love Dom in Houston. The management loves him. Even in third place he gets 1 more year.

LOL Not sure why we are arguing over this as only CC and McNair can decide this.
Not arguing, just sharing opinions. I have a Parcells like view when it comes to football. Four years and your out of here. I hate rookies. I dont give respect untill a player puts up all star numbers. blah blah blah.

gr8slayer
09-10-2005, 12:39 AM
Alittle off subject but why doesnt this board allow sigs? The look is just very boring. Something to consider perhaps?

ledzeppelin229
09-10-2005, 12:41 AM
I don't think Carr will even be considered a "bust" unless he just starts tanking it left and right with no end. I mean his stats last year weren't great but through the first 6 games or so he was playing at Pro Bowl level.

I'm a Carr supporter but the main reason he may not have many statistical mistakes are because he spends most of the time dumping down and that helps him a lot statwise. His decision making still needs a lot of work, expect him to force it to AJ a few times and likely pay for it too when someone jumps the route.

Maybe it's just me but after seeing the preseason, these timing routes are kind of scaring me. Carr does so much locking on that the last thing he needs is more predictable routes. Of course things looked decent against Denver and Oakland so hopefully that will be the offense that shows up. The running game I'm not too worried about. Much less likely to turn it over and I have faith in our Oline and RBs to atleast get something done.

D, I don't feel too worried. As long as PB doesn't do anything too risky and the coaches don't do something dumb like give CC Brown a bunch of complex assignments, I'm not really worried. I know Willis is a great back (We very likely could have taken him 3rd overall if it wasnt for his blown knee) but I think our LBs can handle it. Well, I know Babin and Wong can, and Peek has played better in contain than he used to. Greenwood is still a little bit of a questionmark, but I think he'll come around too. Coleman and Robinson are the least of my worries going into the game. DL will have to get it done though, hopefully losing that weight will help them out.

ledzeppelin229
09-10-2005, 12:42 AM
Alittle off subject but why doesnt this board allow sigs? The look is just very boring. Something to consider perhaps?


I think it has to do with making page loading quicker and just keeping the board from looking too cluttered up. We haven't really gotten used to them around here so I don't think it's much of an issue to most people.

LBC_Justin
09-10-2005, 12:43 AM
Give me one thing other than OL the Steelers have that we dont have? The OL is a given when comparing them to any team.
First off they the steelers won't do as well this year.

- Their offense controlled the clock more than any other offense.
- Their deffense allowed the least amount of points. (Forget yards, point are all that matter for wins/losses). Bills were 8th.
- They had a better Offense than the Bills will this year. JP is a rookie starter. As much as you guys hated Bledsoe he wasn't a rookie.
- By some miracle from God their rookie QB didn't make many mistakes. Personally I think he got a little lucky and the rest of the Steelers were just that good.

gr8slayer
09-10-2005, 12:47 AM
First off they the steelers won't do as well this year.

- Their offense controlled the clock more than any other offense.
- Their deffense allowed the least amount of points. (Forget yards, point are all that matter for wins/losses). Bills were 8th.
- They had a better Offense than the Bills will this year. JP is a rookie starter. As much as you guys hated Bledsoe he wasn't a rookie.
- By some miracle from God their rookie QB didn't make many mistakes. Personally I think he got a little lucky and the rest of the Steelers were just that good.
First of all I dont quite understand why you all continue to call JP a rookie, he is a second year QB for the Bills. Much like Carson Palmer was a second year QB for the Bengals last year. JP would have stayed on the bench learning last year whether he was hurt or not. Mike Mularkey (Steelers OC before last season) is all about clock control. Our Defense was number two overall. Their Offense was better statisticly perhaps but not talent wise (our talent last year was also very raw and young). And Roethlisberger made his fair share of mistakes last year, his Defense was just always there to pull him out of it, much like ours will for JP.

BTW you are not alone in thinking that the Steelers will not be as good this year as they were last. That was a fluke.

LBC_Justin
09-10-2005, 12:47 AM
wow this topic has been good for my post count!!

gr8slayer
09-10-2005, 12:51 AM
BTW, the Steelers will not have as good an Offense as the Bills will this year. You completely underestimate McGahee, Moulds, Evans and Losman.

LBC_Justin
09-10-2005, 12:51 AM
BTW you are not alone in thinking that the Steelers will not be as good this year as they were last. That was a fluke.
15-1 and better in the NFL is usually because you go really really lucky in a few game.
:)

gr8slayer
09-10-2005, 12:52 AM
15-1 and better in the NFL is usually because you go really really lucky in a few game.
:)
They got lucky against the Giants and Cowboys last year that is for sure.

gr8slayer
09-10-2005, 12:54 AM
When thinking Bills Offense you also must factor in the fact that Parrish is not with us for a month. These are not my words but the words of his college coach Larry Kroker (sp?) of the University of Miami. "He is the most exciting player I have ever had the opportunity to coach, he is at full speed in one step and is a threat to go all the way on any given play"

Parrish BTW is our number three rookie WR (second rounder)

LBC_Justin
09-10-2005, 12:54 AM
Not arguing, just sharing opinions. I have a Parcells like view when it comes to football. Four years and your out of here. I hate rookies. I dont give respect untill a player puts up all star numbers. blah blah blah.

BTW, the Steelers will not have as good an Offense as the Bills will this year. You completely underestimate McGahee, Moulds, Evans and Losman.

I don't underestimate the other guys. Losman may not technically be a rookie but he basically is. He is unproven at best.

LBC_Justin
09-10-2005, 12:55 AM
They got lucky against the Giants and Cowboys last year that is for sure.and the Jags

gr8slayer
09-10-2005, 12:56 AM
I don't underestimate the other guys. Losman may not technically be a rookie but he basically is. He is unproven at best.
I no doubt agree that Losman is unproven. But thankfully being unproven means he has not given us a reason not to like him yet too.

gr8slayer
09-10-2005, 12:56 AM
and the Jags
Very good point, and the Chargers in the playoffs as well, damn kickers.

gr8slayer
09-10-2005, 12:58 AM
Speaking of kickers, that is one thing you all have over us. Lindell blows BAD.

LBC_Justin
09-10-2005, 12:58 AM
I no doubt agree that Losman is unproven. But thankfully being unproven means he has not given us a reason not to like him yet too.
HOLY ****. Have you seen how tough the Bills schedule is this year.

Ouch!!!

gr8slayer
09-10-2005, 12:58 AM
HOLY ****. Have you seen how tough the Bills schedule is this year.

Ouch!!!
Yup, we have the number five toughest. Im not worried about it.

gr8slayer
09-10-2005, 12:59 AM
According to opponents’ 2004 final records, the Bills will face the fifth toughest schedule in the NFL this season. The Bills will play seven games against teams who had a record above .500 last season and seven games against teams that made the playoffs
last year.


Below is a look at the top ten toughest schedules in the League this year:
TEAM OPP 2004 RECORD
Miami 140-116
New England 138-118
Kansas City 137-119
NY Jets 137-119
Baltimore 136-120
Buffalo 136-120
San Diego 136-120
Cleveland 135-121
Oakland 135-121
Cincinnati 134-134

gr8slayer
09-10-2005, 12:59 AM
I say bring it on, we are going to find out just how good we are this year.

LBC_Justin
09-10-2005, 01:00 AM
Yup, we have the number five toughest. Im not worried about it.It might be tougher than #5 because they probably are not giving KC and the Panthers the weight they deserve. They weren't great last year but should be good this year.

gr8slayer
09-10-2005, 01:01 AM
Carolina is my SB pick this year BTW.

LBC_Justin
09-10-2005, 01:05 AM
Well I need to got to bed. Nice talking to you. I can't wait for some football. At this point I am more excited about seeing my team play than I am about the outcome.

Hopefully it will be a good game.

If any of the following happens feel free to come back and gloat.:ok:
- If you guys win
- Nate out jumps AJ or picks off one of his passes.
- JP throws for 300 w/ 3 TD, 0 INTs.
- Willis runs all over us even when we stack 9 guys in the box.

peace out

gr8slayer
09-10-2005, 01:25 AM
Well I need to got to bed. Nice talking to you. I can't wait for some football. At this point I am more excited about seeing my team play than I am about the outcome.

Hopefully it will be a good game.

If any of the following happens feel free to come back and gloat.:ok:
- If you guys win
- Nate out jumps AJ or picks off one of his passes.
- JP throws for 300 w/ 3 TD, 0 INTs.
- Willis runs all over us even when we stack 9 guys in the box.

peace out
It was nice talking to you as well. Dont worry, Ill be back no matter the outcome. Lets just hope for a injury free game.

HardKnockTexan
09-10-2005, 01:49 AM
Okay.. i just read through 6 pages and couldnt take anymore...
first off.. LBC... it was nice reading your posts on the Bills website.. you're a solid fan for sure.. reminde me a lot of... me.
second off... about Carr. I cant stand people calling him out. So many people seem to forget that this is an EXPANSION TEAM. Even with 3 years in the league we still have many holes to fill due to the way the front office decided to build this team. We could of easily signed a bus load of high priced free agents and made a run for the playoffs in year 3 and 4 and then done after that and have to rebuild. We took the road less travled instead and decided to go through the growing pains with a majority of rookies and younger players growing with the franchise. Carr WILL be a great QB. He has an extremley quick release, the likes of Dan Marino. He has the feet of a Steve Young or John Elway and the heart and toughness of Bret Farve. My only knock on Carr is that he seems to have a problem with looking off coverages. He eyes his main reciever and if he's not open he dumbs it off to DD. This is something that is coachable and once he knows he has time in the pocket to make a proper decission we will see the REAL David Carr.

I first wanted to post about Andre Johnson but the thread seemed to get a bit side tracked. There isnt a corner in the league that can match up physically with AJ. Clements may be a top 5 CB in the league but he has never faced a reciever that he give nearly 20 pounds and 3 inches to. I always love seeing those quick screens to AJ and seeing those "elite" corners bounce off of him when trying to bring him down in the open field.

This will not be an easy game for us for sure.. but I do believe that it is a winable game. This is our year! i believe it and I think most true fans are with me!

Pietzsa
09-10-2005, 04:35 AM
Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't AJ bust a sixty yard catch on the Bills last time we played them? I might be confused with another game but I remember AJ catching the ball with two or three defenders hitting him at once and him putting his head down busting through them and running the distance of the field. That was the first time that I knew really knew that he was for real. :texflag:

Diehardtexan
09-10-2005, 08:01 AM
http://http://people.freenet.de/cheimt04/drebuftd.gif Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't AJ bust a sixty yard catch on the Bills last time we played them? I might be confused with another game but I remember AJ catching the ball with two or three defenders hitting him at once and him putting his head down busting through them and running the distance of the field. That was the first time that I knew really knew that he was for real. :texflag:
Yes he did, go to Texans Highlight clips thread and you will see it on page 2.

gr8slayer
09-10-2005, 09:45 AM
Okay.. i just read through 6 pages and couldnt take anymore...
first off.. LBC... it was nice reading your posts on the Bills website.. you're a solid fan for sure.. reminde me a lot of... me.
second off... about Carr. I cant stand people calling him out. So many people seem to forget that this is an EXPANSION TEAM. Even with 3 years in the league we still have many holes to fill due to the way the front office decided to build this team. We could of easily signed a bus load of high priced free agents and made a run for the playoffs in year 3 and 4 and then done after that and have to rebuild. We took the road less travled instead and decided to go through the growing pains with a majority of rookies and younger players growing with the franchise. Carr WILL be a great QB. He has an extremley quick release, the likes of Dan Marino. He has the feet of a Steve Young or John Elway and the heart and toughness of Bret Farve. My only knock on Carr is that he seems to have a problem with looking off coverages. He eyes his main reciever and if he's not open he dumbs it off to DD. This is something that is coachable and once he knows he has time in the pocket to make a proper decission we will see the REAL David Carr.

I first wanted to post about Andre Johnson but the thread seemed to get a bit side tracked. There isnt a corner in the league that can match up physically with AJ. Clements may be a top 5 CB in the league but he has never faced a reciever that he give nearly 20 pounds and 3 inches to. I always love seeing those quick screens to AJ and seeing those "elite" corners bounce off of him when trying to bring him down in the open field.

This will not be an easy game for us for sure.. but I do believe that it is a winable game. This is our year! i believe it and I think most true fans are with me!
IF you go back and read I listed some of the large WR's Clements has played against.

gr8slayer
09-10-2005, 09:50 AM
Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't AJ bust a sixty yard catch on the Bills last time we played them? I might be confused with another game but I remember AJ catching the ball with two or three defenders hitting him at once and him putting his head down busting through them and running the distance of the field. That was the first time that I knew really knew that he was for real. :texflag:
And what you did two years ago against our bad Defense (22nd in the league) is going to help you how on Sunday? Your in a for a shocker if you think there will be a repeat of that clip you all keep jerking it to.

Bubbajwp
09-10-2005, 10:20 AM
Andre put up bad numbers against the teams I mentioned before hand. That was the whole point of the post.Ya he might have had bad numbers but it was because he gets doubld teamed EVERY play of the game. Nate Clements is a top five CB but he cant stop Andre by himself.
IMO andre wont have a good game against buffalo because he will still get double teams. :goodnight

infantrycak
09-10-2005, 10:21 AM
And what you did two years ago against our bad Defense (22nd in the league) is going to help you how on Sunday? Your in a for a shocker if you think there will be a repeat of that clip you all keep jerking it to.

You need to stop acting like a #2 yds/#8 pts defense is an impenetrable wall. Every team gives up big plays from #1 on down.

gr8slayer
09-10-2005, 10:25 AM
Ill be back to feed you your crow on Sunday.

Bubbajwp
09-10-2005, 10:34 AM
Living in Texas I dont have much of a choice but to watch Texan games. But if you can beat one of your first two opponents it will go a LONG way in proving alot of people wrong.

Its nice to see a realistic Texan fan that doesnt think this weeks game is going to be a cake walk.
From what ive been reading Texan fans are not the ones that think this game will be a cake walk

Doom Capers
09-10-2005, 10:42 AM
Do you want your best player to get injured by Clements? Because that is exactly what will happen if he challenges a top 5 cornerback and one of the nastyest hitters in the league. :cool:


You realize if we do beat you, I am going to give you hell for the rest of the season.

Vambo, the Marble Eye
09-10-2005, 11:42 AM
...Just give me a valid reason why, make me understand what makes you so different from the other rushing teams we have faced.

It is what we do... run the ball. What are you expecting the Texans organization or the fans to say? Where you expecting a lot of press on our passing attack or just forfeit the game because it is hopeless?

That is why we play the game. If we are able to run it means that our zone blocking scheme and personnel have finally jelled. To do it against Buffalo would be a decent accomplishment... unless Buffalo is unable to start off like they ended the last six games of their season.

:texans:

run-david-run
09-10-2005, 12:26 PM
Keyshawn is a possesion reciver, makes the catch and goes down. Andre was in the top five in the league in yards after catch. Also, Evans had single coverange all year beacuse, as you said, no one knew who he was. Also, the Texans seem to like running at a defense in the red zone, for the most part, and that takes awat from the cheap 2 yd TD pass (ala Randy Moss on the fade).

run-david-run
09-10-2005, 12:31 PM
Eric Moulds demands the double team too much to get any TD's. If you all are hurting so bad for a number two WR why didnt you draft one or a freaking LT! instead of drafting a damn DL this year?

Your front office is nuts man, David Carr is Drew Bledsoe to me untill he gets more help.

I would love for the Texans to be my number two favorite team (living in Texas and all) but your front office is too stupid IMO.


And what revier did you want us to draft in the first round with our pick? Williamson (who is 4th on the Vikings0 and Williams were both gone. Clayton would have been a stretch at 13. also we drafted the fastest guy in the whole draft WR Jerome Mathis. We here have hope he can have a Lee Evans effect, break into the line up later in the season and become a deep-threat.

run-david-run
09-10-2005, 12:36 PM
They dont trust Carr...



We were in top 5 in red zone td percentage. I think they jsut trust Davis. If you Bills fans want to see what AJ can do eith the fade in the corner, look at the Texans highlits post aginst Jacksonville, a defense that gave up fewer points than yours....

Buffalokizzle
09-10-2005, 12:51 PM
Agreed of course but then isn't AJ one of the best in the game as well? Clements isn't in for an easy day either. Something's got to give here so being a Texans fan I'm thinking it's got to be Clements until proven otherwise.

:texflag:

Hello Texans Fans I agree AJ is one of the best in The Nfl. I have watched for the past few seasons and seem him make some spectacular plays and solidify himself as a stud of the nfl but Nate Clements is a stud as well. Look what happened to Cincinniti's passing attack when they faced off against Buffalo last season. Chad Johnson was matched up against Nate Clements...

Week 1 @NYJ L 31-24 5 99 19.8 53 1 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
Week 2 MIA W 16-13 3 45 15.0 20 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
Week 3 BAL L 23-9 8 99 12.4 23 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
Week 4 @PIT L 28-17 4 54 13.5 24 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
Week 5 Bye
Week 6 @CLE L 34-17 3 37 12.3 18 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
Week 7 DEN W 23-10 7 149 21.3 50 1 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
Week 8 @TEN L 27-20 6 67 11.2 18 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
Week 9 DAL W 26-3 8 74 9.3 23 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
Week 10 @WAS W 17-10 6 89 14.8 34 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
Week 11 PIT L 19-14 5 80 16.0 36 1 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
Week 12 CLE W 58-48 10 117 11.7 46 1 1 9 9.0 9 0 0 0
Week 13 @BAL W 27-26 10 161 16.1 51 2 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
Week 14 @NE L 35-28 5 80 16.0 27 1 1 10 10.0 10 0 0 0
Week 15 BUF L 33-17 2 10 5.0 7 0 1 2 2.0 2 0 0 0
Week 16 NYG W 23-22 8 46 5.8 10 2 0 0 0.0 0 0 1 0
Week 17 @PHI W 38-10 5 67 13.4 27 0 1 18 18.0 18 0 0 0

Finals stats - REC 95 | YDS 1,274 | TD 9

He held one of the best AFC recievers to just 10 yards and two short receptions with no touchdowns.

Nate Clements deserves a little more :respect:

LBC_Justin
09-10-2005, 01:48 PM
Hello Texans Fans I agree AJ is one of the best in The Nfl. I have watched for the past few seasons and seem him make some spectacular plays and solidify himself as a stud of the nfl but Nate Clements is a stud as well. Look what happened to Cincinniti's passing attack when they faced off against Buffalo last season. Chad Johnson was matched up against Nate Clements...

Week 1 @NYJ L 31-24 5 99 19.8 53 1 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
Week 2 MIA W 16-13 3 45 15.0 20 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
Week 3 BAL L 23-9 8 99 12.4 23 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
Week 4 @PIT L 28-17 4 54 13.5 24 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
Week 5 Bye
Week 6 @CLE L 34-17 3 37 12.3 18 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
Week 7 DEN W 23-10 7 149 21.3 50 1 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
Week 8 @TEN L 27-20 6 67 11.2 18 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
Week 9 DAL W 26-3 8 74 9.3 23 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
Week 10 @WAS W 17-10 6 89 14.8 34 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
Week 11 PIT L 19-14 5 80 16.0 36 1 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
Week 12 CLE W 58-48 10 117 11.7 46 1 1 9 9.0 9 0 0 0
Week 13 @BAL W 27-26 10 161 16.1 51 2 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
Week 14 @NE L 35-28 5 80 16.0 27 1 1 10 10.0 10 0 0 0
Week 15 BUF L 33-17 2 10 5.0 7 0 1 2 2.0 2 0 0 0
Week 16 NYG W 23-22 8 46 5.8 10 2 0 0 0.0 0 0 1 0
Week 17 @PHI W 38-10 5 67 13.4 27 0 1 18 18.0 18 0 0 0

Finals stats - REC 95 | YDS 1,274 | TD 9

He held one of the best AFC recievers to just 10 yards and two short receptions with no touchdowns.

Nate Clements deserves a little more :respect:
Nate gets all the respect in the world from me. (Even if Dunta Robinson had better stats than him in just about every category.)

AJ is 3 inches taller,25 lbs heavier, better vertical and just as fast as Chad Johnson. Not taking anything away from Chad, he is a play maker but he is a totally different type of reciever, so comparing Nates success against him does not mean it is going to translate to AJ.

Nate will have to play a lot more physical with AJ than he did with Chad. Huge difference is Nate was bigger than Chad, but Nate is smaller than AJ. Plus at the very least Nate will be playing with a sore Shoulder. (Might be a factor.)

Trapped
09-10-2005, 01:59 PM
Ive seen Clements play, he's poised to be in the elite category with Chris Mcalister and CHamp Baily this year. His overall cover skills is not as well, but he has a great knack for the ball, he reminds me of a tweener between Troy Vincent and Ty Law.

Andre Johnson vs. Nate Clements should be a beauty to watch.

mouldsmachine1
09-10-2005, 04:23 PM
Clements is one of the best in the game...it's not going to be that easy.

Yeah... you cant just pop short routes at them, he's probably the best corner in the league to jump the route. He can be jumped over deep though, but more than likely Troy Vincent will be riding AJ's *** as well if they get that deep.

#1 Bills Fan
09-10-2005, 05:14 PM
As a Bills fan I fear AJ more than any other Texan player. He is a freak. I expect we'll keep Nate on him all day long and rotate a safety over to help out. That leaves McGee 1-on-1 with Bradford. McGee is a very good corner but he will give up some plays. Our front four better have a good day pressuring Carr to help McGee out a bit.

But I also have to say that my biggest concern is not any individual, not even AJ, so much as the Texans' secondary as a unit taking advantage of an inexperienced JP Losman. He's never seen speed like Robinson and Buchanan at Tulane. Hopefully he'll make some smart decisions and play as close to mistake-free football as possible, helping us get just enough points to win.

texasguy346
09-10-2005, 05:18 PM
Keep an eye on DRob when we go to a nickle or dime look. Often times he'll slide down to the slot, and Capers will send him on a blitz occasionaly. He's used much like Ronde Barber is in the Bucs system.

The Bills D is solid, and I expect David to see some pressure from them. Hopefully the OLine holds up long enough for David to find a few open receivers. I'm anxious to see how Gaff is going to do after having sat out most of the preseason. I think we'll be able to run enough to set up the PA passing game, but I fully expect it to be a close game right down to the end. I'd be surprised if it was decided by more than a touchdown.

Kaiser Toro
09-10-2005, 05:23 PM
As a Bills fan I fear AJ more than any other Texan player. He is a freak. I expect we'll keep Nate on him all day long and rotate a safety over to help out. That leaves McGee 1-on-1 with Bradford. McGee is a very good corner but he will give up some plays. Our front four better have a good day pressuring Carr to help McGee out a bit.

But I also have to say that my biggest concern is not any individual, not even AJ, so much as the Texans' secondary as a unit taking advantage of an inexperienced JP Losman. He's never seen speed like Robinson and Buchanan at Tulane. Hopefully he'll make some smart decisions and play as close to mistake-free football as possible, helping us get just enough points to win.
Good luck Bills Fan #1 your objectivity is nice. If I were in your shoes it would be how Losman performs that would have me worried as well. Both of our teams have questions marks, we have a few more than you. But I think Losman is the key as well.

Texas
09-10-2005, 06:27 PM
Do you want your best player to get injured by Clements? Because that is exactly what will happen if he challenges a top 5 cornerback and one of the nastyest hitters in the league. :cool:

Wow now you must really be dumb. AJ hasnt been injured roughly yet. That includes getting hit by the best. I seriously doubt clement will hurt him. Maybe hold him not hurt him

Hervoyel
09-10-2005, 06:48 PM
This has been a pretty good thread overall and I've enjoyed reading it. I've got one more thing to say and then I'm done.

I just can't work up a lot of animosity towards the Bills or their fans. I like this team (Buffalo) and want all you Bills fans to know that when I say the Texans are going win it's because I love my team and I think they're going places, not because I have anything against your team and think they stink. On the contrary I'm looking forward to the thread later this year when we meet in the first or second round of the playoffs. Hope to see you all then and there.

Bubbajwp
09-10-2005, 07:37 PM
Hello Texans Fans I agree AJ is one of the best in The Nfl. I have watched for the past few seasons and seem him make some spectacular plays and solidify himself as a stud of the nfl but Nate Clements is a stud as well. Look what happened to Cincinniti's passing attack when they faced off against Buffalo last season. Chad Johnson was matched up against Nate Clements...

Week 1 @NYJ L 31-24 5 99 19.8 53 1 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
Week 2 MIA W 16-13 3 45 15.0 20 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
Week 3 BAL L 23-9 8 99 12.4 23 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
Week 4 @PIT L 28-17 4 54 13.5 24 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
Week 5 Bye
Week 6 @CLE L 34-17 3 37 12.3 18 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
Week 7 DEN W 23-10 7 149 21.3 50 1 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
Week 8 @TEN L 27-20 6 67 11.2 18 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
Week 9 DAL W 26-3 8 74 9.3 23 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
Week 10 @WAS W 17-10 6 89 14.8 34 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
Week 11 PIT L 19-14 5 80 16.0 36 1 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
Week 12 CLE W 58-48 10 117 11.7 46 1 1 9 9.0 9 0 0 0
Week 13 @BAL W 27-26 10 161 16.1 51 2 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
Week 14 @NE L 35-28 5 80 16.0 27 1 1 10 10.0 10 0 0 0
Week 15 BUF L 33-17 2 10 5.0 7 0 1 2 2.0 2 0 0 0
Week 16 NYG W 23-22 8 46 5.8 10 2 0 0 0.0 0 0 1 0
Week 17 @PHI W 38-10 5 67 13.4 27 0 1 18 18.0 18 0 0 0

Finals stats - REC 95 | YDS 1,274 | TD 9

He held one of the best AFC recievers to just 10 yards and two short receptions with no touchdowns.

Nate Clements deserves a little more :respect:
And got burned by the Ravens and the browns not that impressive.

eMoulds
09-10-2005, 07:50 PM
And got burned by the Ravens and the browns not that impressive.

Nice try, but those are Chad Johnson's numbers. Clement's doesn't get burned.

Bubbajwp
09-10-2005, 07:58 PM
Sorry My bad i was confused

Ithaca Bills Fan
09-10-2005, 08:30 PM
And got burned by the Ravens and the browns not that impressive.

However, if one looks at those stats correctly, you see Chad Johnson put up very impressive numbers going up against Chris McAllister and Champ Bailey, who are ALWAYS the top 2 names people mention when asked "Who is the best shut-down corner in the game today?"

And yet, NATE CLEMENTS is the one who shut him down completely. Can we all agree that he deserves much more respect than he is getting on this board?

At the very least, he deserves a hell of a lot of respect- and even more admiration- from the entire NFL for hitting Tom Brady so hard he knocked his helmet off. :ouch:

LBC_Justin
09-10-2005, 08:53 PM
This has been a pretty good thread overall and I've enjoyed reading it. I've got one more thing to say and then I'm done.

I just can't work up a lot of animosity towards the Bills or their fans. I like this team (Buffalo) and want all you Bills fans to know that when I say the Texans are going win it's because I love my team and I think they're going places, not because I have anything against your team and think they stink. On the contrary I'm looking forward to the thread later this year when we meet in the first or second round of the playoffs. Hope to see you all then and there.
I could not agree more.

But tomorrow I will be get a six pack, fire up the grill and eat some Buffalo Burgers.

eMoulds
09-10-2005, 09:42 PM
It's kind of weird how mutually cordial and mature both teams' fans have been. You don't see it very often during game week.

Good football fans are good football fans I guess.

jpc1028
09-10-2005, 10:22 PM
lol..... andre johnson is a top-notch WR...

but look at last year... what did top notch WR do against Clements??

N-O-T-H-I-N-G! ask chad johnson

the only way the texans have a shot at scoring points is to INT losman and return it for a TD....

YOU GUYS WONT SCORE ON OUR D

Hervoyel
09-10-2005, 10:27 PM
lol..... andre johnson is a top-notch WR...

but look at last year... what did top notch WR do against Clements??

N-O-T-H-I-N-G! ask chad johnson

the only way the texans have a shot at scoring points is to INT losman and return it for a TD....

YOU GUYS WONT SCORE ON OUR D


Yes of course because as we all know once a defensive back shuts down Chad Johnson then he never has to "put up" again. From that day forward he's never going to have a bad day and no reciever is ever going to beat him even once. It's like a memo goes out to the entire league and all wideouts are informed that there's no point in even trying to catch a pass when you're up against "Nate Clements, Future Hall of Famer".

Jpc1028 I'd put you on ignore if I didn't need to see everyone to moderate. In a pack of Bills fans I could gladly spend the rest of the season talking football with, you stand out like a sore, poorly informed thumb.

Find a take that's even close to intelligent, please.

Philisophical Troll
09-10-2005, 10:57 PM
Wow now you must really be dumb. AJ hasnt been injured roughly yet. That includes getting hit by the best. I seriously doubt clement will hurt him. Maybe hold him not hurt him

I'm not wishing anybody to get hurt, but I'm going to tell you that Buffalo's secondary is capable of sending many receivers and offensive players to the injured reserve list. Ask Jeff Garcia if he ever wants to come play in Buffalo again. Chad Pennington is another clown who had to learn the hard way last year too.

You homers have been talking about AJ taking on Clements head on, but be careful what you wish for.... :club:

da.texans
09-10-2005, 11:12 PM
We were also the number three Defense the year before so we reserve the right to be more than confident that our Defense can get the job done.

I will be back here to either feed the crow or eat it.

And if we lose Ill wish you a great season and accept that you were the better team on that day. If we win Ill still come back and wish you a great season knowing that we were the better team that day.

Isn't that we beat you guy on that year when Beefalo was rank #3 on defend?????????????????Come back and talk **** when u actually beat us in our house........right now u don't have the right to talk ****............ :texflag: go :texflag:

eMoulds
09-10-2005, 11:14 PM
Isn't that we beat you guy on that year when Beefalo was rank #3 on defend?????????????????Come back and talk **** when u actually beat us in our house........right now u don't have the right to talk ****............ :texflag: go :texflag:

Well Hervoyel, I guess every team's got them...

da.texans
09-10-2005, 11:15 PM
Have you all seen a Defense like your about to see on Sunday? Im curious to know what was the last great D you all faced? Honest question.
Hmm lets me thinks hmmm how about the beefalo #3 defend on 2003???? :texflag: go go go :texflag:

Ithaca Bills Fan
09-10-2005, 11:42 PM
Isn't that we beat you guy on that year when Beefalo was rank #3 on defend?????????????????Come back and talk **** when u actually beat us in our house........right now u don't have the right to talk ****............ :texflag: go :texflag:

If you can throw 2 years ago in our face, we can throw 3 years ago when we DID come down there and beat you in your house right back. So I guess since that happened we've regained our right to talk asterik.

Tedc
09-10-2005, 11:58 PM
If you can throw 2 years ago in our face, we can throw 3 years ago when we DID come down there and beat you in your house right back. So I guess since that happened we've regained our right to talk asterik.


I think he was trying ( not very sucessfully) to answer the question that was asked before. The Texans played a number 2 or 3 rated defense (Buffalo)and beat them.

The question was asked and was answered. Nobody thought we had to go back another year to answer the question. Congrats, you beat the Texans in thier very first year by a whole 7 points when the Texans set a new universe record in sacks because they had no line at all.

run-david-run
09-11-2005, 12:02 AM
If you can throw 2 years ago in our face, we can throw 3 years ago when we DID come down there and beat you in your house right back. So I guess since that happened we've regained our right to talk asterik.

Congratulations, you beat an exopansion team in thier first year...whoooottt :thumbup ....whoooooootttt
:whoohoo:

Ithaca Bills Fan
09-11-2005, 06:11 AM
Congratulations, you beat an exopansion team in thier first year...whoooottt :thumbup ....whoooooootttt
:whoohoo:

congrats, you took a post which contained the phrase 'talk asterik' seriously.

infantrycak
09-11-2005, 08:24 AM
YOU GUYS WONT SCORE ON OUR D

Great example of off-season over confidence. Whoohoo you had the #2 defense last year. I guess that means this year your vaunted D won't give up the 17.8 points per game it did last year.

nojok3
09-11-2005, 11:42 AM
Referring back to the Moulds topic, unlike many big time receivers, Moulds has had a new qb every year. If he was like Marvin Harrison with the same qb for say 7 years, his production would be up I'm sure.

gr8slayer
09-11-2005, 02:56 PM
Oh man Andre is just killing Nate today. You all were so right, he is an animal and Nate sucks horribly.

jd4me925
09-11-2005, 03:25 PM
Man Nate Clement's played a very good game.! David carr never got comfortable in the pocket and losman looked good

#1 Bills Fan
09-11-2005, 04:30 PM
Great game by Nate today...an even BETTER game by Vincent today.

TexSon
09-11-2005, 04:34 PM
Well AJ was shut down, but it certainly wasn't just Clements... he was double and triple covered all afternoon. Too bad we don't have another receiver to take the pressure off. (Or a QB that has a clue.)

Impressive display by the Bill's defense.

Buffalokizzle
09-11-2005, 05:25 PM
Well AJ was shut down, but it certainly wasn't just Clements... he was double and triple covered all afternoon. Too bad we don't have another receiver to take the pressure off. (Or a QB that has a clue.)

Impressive display by the Bill's defense.

I told you guys dont underestimate Clements I posted yesterday stats from last year what Clements had done to Chad Johnson of the Bengals and everyone dismissed me saying that "the two recievers are completely different and that Andre is bigger and stronger and will have no problems." Well Well Well look at what came of it. Can I at least see some respect for Clements instead of saying "it wasnt just clements" Come on now the guy was covered all day by Clements give my man some credit. And how about them Bills :)!!! Told you guys Losman is the real deal.

PapaL
09-11-2005, 05:30 PM
I told you guys dont underestimate Clements I posted yesterday stats from last year what Clements had done to Chad Johnson of the Bengals and everyone dismissed me saying that "the two recievers are completely different and that Andre is bigger and stronger and will have no problems." Well Well Well look at what came of it. Can I at least see some respect for Clements instead of saying "it wasnt just clements" Come on now the guy was covered all day by Clements give my man some credit. And how about them Bills :)!!! Told you guys Losman is the real deal.

Yeah because Clements double and triple covered him by himself all game long.

Buffalokizzle
09-11-2005, 05:40 PM
Yeah because Clements double and triple covered him by himself all game long.

Fine dont give the man any respect thats fine. Andre Johnson still only caught 2 passes all game long and was lined up against Clements that says enough.

PapaL
09-11-2005, 05:44 PM
Fine dont give the man any respect thats fine. Andre Johnson still only caught 2 passes all game long and was lined up against Clements that says enough.

He played a well enough game. You make it sound like he's the 2nd coming of Deon. Just remember, double and triple covered ALL game long.

Buffalokizzle
09-11-2005, 05:51 PM
He played a well enough game. You make it sound like he's the 2nd coming of Deon. Just remember, double and triple covered ALL game long.

he isnt a second coming of Deion he doesnt need to be. The man is still young and just entering his prime. He is a top 5 corner in the NFL without doubt and has shown why he is a probowl quaterback matching up against many #1 recievers and shutting them down. He is one of the many reasons why our defense will finsih this week ranked #1

gr8slayer
09-11-2005, 06:27 PM
Well AJ was shut down, but it certainly wasn't just Clements... he was double and triple covered all afternoon. Too bad we don't have another receiver to take the pressure off. (Or a QB that has a clue.)

Impressive display by the Bill's defense.
So what, Moulds has been putting up Pro Bowl numbers year after year with the double team.

ledzeppelin229
09-11-2005, 06:31 PM
So what, Moulds has been putting up Pro Bowl numbers year after year with the double team.

AJ isn't the problem. I don't think Moulds ever had an offense as inept as Houston was today.

Personally I hope it was all Buffalo's D, because that would mean we might do better against some lesser defenses. Right now I don't have any faith in Houston's offense, just like back in 2002.

#1 Bills Fan
09-11-2005, 06:54 PM
AJ isn't the problem. I don't think Moulds ever had an offense as inept as Houston was today.
Ah, you're forgetting the Todd Collins and Rob Johnson years. Trust me, Moulds has been through a lot.

Personally I hope it was all Buffalo's D, because that would mean we might do better against some lesser defenses. Right now I don't have any faith in Houston's offense, just like back in 2002.
Our D is good, no question, but that good? I guess only time will tell. For now I'm under the presumption that the Texans have issues and that today wasn't just an illusion against a good D. Your o-line looked suspect and Carr looked shaky. Your D didn't exactly impress either.

I still have to wonder, though, why so many of you Texans fans thought you'd be able to run against us. Every prediction I saw on this board said "I think we'll be able to run so that should open up the pass"...wha wha? As you saw today we're not so shabby against the run.

Good luck the rest of this season.

Hervoyel
09-11-2005, 07:06 PM
I still have to wonder, though, why so many of you Texans fans thought you'd be able to run against us. Every prediction I saw on this board said "I think we'll be able to run so that should open up the pass"...wha wha? As you saw today we're not so shabby against the run.

Good luck the rest of this season.


Generally when Domanick Davis is healthy we have a pretty good running game. He gets his yards. Not to knock your run D because obviously you guys are good but we thought we would be able to run against you. "Run all over you"? No, of course not but at least in my case I felt that we would have enough of a running game to keep things balanced.

Obviously we did not. I think a lot of that is because your run D is so good and some of it's because Domanick Davis is a bit of a "situational/statistical illusion" Lots of touchdowns (from inside the 10), lots of yards (when they don't make a difference). I think you guys stuffed an overrated back today, made us one dimensional, and beat us like a drum.

Buffalo_Bills
09-11-2005, 08:01 PM
Andre Johnson is a big boy. Closer in size to a tight end than to the size of most recievers.

Andre Johnson 6-3 and 219 lbs
Marvin Harrison 6-0 and 175 lbs
Chad Johnson 6-1 and 192 lbs

Nate Clements 5-11 and 209

Clements better be careful or he might end up reinjuring his shoulder.

So I say bring it on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WTF?? PT is on this board??? where???