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GP
09-08-2005, 01:31 PM
Moderators: Please don't move this post. The player is not a Texan (yet) but he once was, and this post is about our KR position.

BRING BACK MOSES.

Maybe he hasn't brought one to the house, but he sure as heck was one of the top returners in the AFC last year.

Sure hands. Good judgment. Former Texan.

BRING BACK MOSES to lead our people through the Red Sea in Buffalo.

rmartin65
09-08-2005, 02:11 PM
i dont think so. mathis could be better

LBblitz
09-08-2005, 03:05 PM
Why would you want to do that? Mathis is faster and could be actually used as a legitimate WR as opposed to JJ's special teams specialist. Dont get me wrong I liked JJ but it is time to move on.

AstroTexan
09-08-2005, 04:06 PM
Little off topic, have they tried Lord at returning kicks, I remember he had explosive speed and agility running the option at Nebraska, that is what an athlete like he is here for to experiment with.
any other ideas?

Texas
09-08-2005, 06:03 PM
Buchanon would be good. I like mathis for now though

HardKnockTexan
09-08-2005, 06:17 PM
I'm all for Mathis too, but with him being doubtfull this week, Moses wouldnt be a bad pick up.

rmartin65
09-08-2005, 08:33 PM
mathis is questionable. 50/50

Vinny
09-08-2005, 08:34 PM
Moses isn't coming back and we will be fine in our return game. I think part of why we released Swinton was due to Morency's explosiveness, quickness and cutting ability. I think we will have good depth without JJ.

Scooter
09-08-2005, 09:19 PM
i'd love to have moses back but i really dont see it happening. what's funny though is the responses on who's going to return next are filled with "i think" and "could be". moses did. he didnt fumble, he gave us great field position, and heck he was just fun to watch. as i said last year & the year before, i'd rather have consistancy and field position rather than the possibility of one extra td a season (which, if not for penalties moses would have anyways).

Vinny
09-08-2005, 09:21 PM
People use "I think" because we aren't privy to the decision making process. It's all speculation from the fans.

Hervoyel
09-08-2005, 09:44 PM
Well you want to know what "I think"? I think that JJ was fun to watch but "I think" that he was at least as responsible for the penalties on returns as the guys trying to block for him. I never thought "The longer he stays up without being tackled the better chance he has of taking this one to the house". I always thought "The longer he stays on his feet the better chance we have of getting all this work called back on a penalty". Nobody ever knew where Moses was going, least of all the people blocking for him.

He was an entertaining player but in 2003-2004 we had the luxury of keeping him around and hoping he would break one. He was reliable if nothing else. Now we need a little more "conventional" return game because we're trying to win, not just entertain.

infantrycak
09-08-2005, 09:47 PM
Moses isn't coming back and we will be fine in our return game. I think part of why we released Swinton was due to Morency's explosiveness, quickness and cutting ability. I think we will have good depth without JJ.

Odd they didn't try him out in practice or a game if that is the case.

infantrycak
09-08-2005, 09:54 PM
Well you want to know what "I think"? I think that JJ was fun to watch but "I think" that he was at least as responsible for the penalties on returns as the guys trying to block for him.

Seems like we could argue over that except since he has been gone the penalties haven't gotten better and may have gotten worse. IMO the special teams play (our returning, not coverage so much) the last couple years has been extremely sub-par. The blocking was horrible for JJ with the wedge repeatedly get blown open and tons of meaningless away from the play penalties (that's another reason I don't tend to blame JJ for the penalties, because they very often weren't close to his immediate zone, they were general down field blocks in the backs and holds--just bad discipline). Now we have an epidemic of the same kind of penalties with non-JJ's back there. We'll see, unlike Ibar, I don't see our special teams providing a great % of our offense. As for JJ, I never particularly liked him for his excitement, but I loved his sure hands.

GP
09-08-2005, 10:05 PM
Hey, I know it's kind of a lame idea....

But with a few days slowwwwwwwwwwwly passing by before we see the first Texans game, I figured it made for an interesting topic.

Morency is one of our RBs (probably the #2 guy) so why would we stick him out there against crazy kamikaze special teams guys who dive head first going as fast as they can? Sounds like an injury waiting to happen.

Then we'd be up a creek with our #2 RB out of the picture.

I'm all for players having dual roles in order to not take up an dextra roster spot...but we have nobody other than Buchanon who really has the experience of returning kicks.

Oh, I forgot...we HAD a couple of those guys (Moses and Swinton) but they weren't the "right fit." (Rolling my eyes).

Bring back MOSES.

Scooter
09-08-2005, 10:25 PM
People use "I think" because we aren't privy to the decision making process. It's all speculation from the fans.

"i think" wasnt aimed at your post. it was towards the ideas such as "i think mathis is our future #2 and automatically makes our special teams the best" and such. speculation on ability, not managerial decisions.

Vinny
09-08-2005, 10:27 PM
np, I said, "I think" twice in the post above yours so I just thought you were talking about me. ;)

HardKnockTexan
09-09-2005, 11:01 AM
I'm not in the mindset of not playing a starter on special teams just to avoid injury. If he's the best in that possition then play him. Look at Rodney Harrison on the Pats. He's one of their top defenders and one of their top special teams players. If Morency is the best we have to return kicks... let him return kicks.

touttail
09-09-2005, 04:00 PM
I agree with Hardknock. You shouldn't put a starter on returning kicks. Man, that's a great way to lose someone to an injury quick. Some of those guys go like freight trains down the field.

Bobby 119C :whoohoo:

Vinny
09-09-2005, 04:01 PM
Derrick Mason and Steve Smith have returned kicks for years. They are both key starters to their teams.

Exascor
09-09-2005, 04:06 PM
I agree with Hardknock. You shouldn't put a starter on returning kicks. Man, that's a great way to lose someone to an injury quick. Some of those guys go like freight trains down the field.

Bobby 119C :whoohoo:As I stated in another thread: Rod Woodson and Deion Sanders

rmartin65
09-09-2005, 04:48 PM
As I stated in another thread: Rod Woodson and Deion Sanders
Deion was a monster back there.

TexanFanInCC
09-10-2005, 03:44 AM
i dont think so. mathis could be better

swinton was better....



....till we cut him.
he actually returned a kickoff for a TD

Corrosion
09-10-2005, 04:23 AM
..but we have nobody other than Buchanon who really has the experience of returning kicks.


Didnt DD return a few as a rookie ? :texflag:

No No No .... DONT put him out there and have him get hurt !!!! :crying:

Vambo, the Marble Eye
09-10-2005, 11:32 AM
BRING BACK MOSES.



Huh? And specifically what other single dimensional player do we release to make room for him?

:rolleyes:

Corrosion
09-11-2005, 02:01 PM
Didnt DD return a few as a rookie ? :texflag:

No No No .... DONT put him out there and have him get hurt !!!! :crying:



And who comes out and returns the opening kick-off for the second half ....DD :brickwall

Vinny
09-11-2005, 02:08 PM
And who comes out and returns the opening kick-off for the second half ....DD :brickwallThat's why we drafted him originally. Good to see us getting good use out of him.

GP
09-11-2005, 03:08 PM
Stupid move to cut Moses and Swinton. Absolutely stupid.

So we're gonna' run our STARTING running back out there, risking injury, because Morency can't do what both MOSES AND SWINTON proved they CAN do? And P-Buch looked totally awesome falling down after running two yards!

Nobody can defend cutting Moses nor cutting Swinton right now. Nobody.

This organization thinks its smarter than everyone else in the room. They think they can get all cute with their strategy by mixing it up and cutting a solid returner like Moses...then, they get even cuter by cutting Swinton.

What a f l i p p i n joke.

How many more red flags do you people need to see, besides getting blown out of the water against the Bills and a rookie QB, than just this one tiny example of what I'm talking about in regards to our return game?

rdbrem
09-11-2005, 08:55 PM
Stupid move to cut Moses and Swinton. Absolutely stupid.

So we're gonna' run our STARTING running back out there, risking injury, because Morency can't do what both MOSES AND SWINTON proved they CAN do? And P-Buch looked totally awesome falling down after running two yards!

Nobody can defend cutting Moses nor cutting Swinton right now. Nobody.



I was amazed we put DD out there. We tried him there the first year, but I think expected to move him to starting RB, and get someone else to return kicks. I don't think we ever expected to keep him returning kicks. Returning is too injury prone of a position.