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Texans Pride
09-03-2005, 11:25 AM
Many have stated on this board that the preseason doesn't matter. That it is a time to learn and practice. The point has even been raised that the Patriots went 0-4 on their way to winning a Super Bowl.

So I raise the question, does the preseason matter? I'm not asking in terms of wins and losses, but overall progression of the team, and indications of how the team will do.

Here is my opinion:

The preseason does mean something, it shows progress of our starters in a new offensive scheme, it shows how our revamped defense is coming along, it shows the depth that we have beyond our starters, and it shows a will and drive to win!

So far I have not seen much that indicates we are a different team then when the Browns defeated us last year.

I'd like to see our team play with a sense of urgency to win...preseason or not, it fires up the team...

Pretty soon this team is going to get used to losing, it seems some of the fans already have.

TexanPride#1
09-03-2005, 11:43 AM
Have faith :brickwall

BillyBluenose
09-03-2005, 11:47 AM
the preseason does not matter. at least not in win-loss terms.

it is a chance for coaches to evaluate their inventory and decide who to keep and what to do with them.

bring on the bills!

-billy

TigerBait
09-03-2005, 11:55 AM
teams like the Colts (0-5) and the Chiefs (0-4) went without a in the preaseason, while teams like the Browns Cowboys and Bears had 3 or more wins. Preseason does not matter that much.

DomDavis
09-03-2005, 12:00 PM
completely and utterly meaningless for starters.

It does mean something - for the backups and third-stringers trying to earn a roster spot. But for the first team offenses and defenses? Meaningless. No one wants to let their schemes out of the bag. No one wants to take the big hits over the middle. Quarterbacks are more willing to take chances for the big play because the result is irrelevant. The goal for starters is to make it through without getting hurt. That's it.

Texans Pride
09-03-2005, 12:12 PM
So Carr having a 5.7 and a 0.0 passer rating against the Cowboys and the Buccaneers respectively doesnít matter?

AJ dropping key passes (one in the end zone for a touchdown) doesnít matter?

Only converting 19 of 56 third down attempts doesnít matter?

Ranking 30th in total defense and offense doesnít matter?


I'm not trying to come off rude, and I hope I'm not, I am just bringing these points up.

WWJD
09-03-2005, 12:35 PM
I would equate preseason games to rehearsals before a Broadway play or a soundcheck before a concert.

It's a chance to see what you've got, how much you know, what needs to be fixed and learn what you need to do to put a good product out there. Because let's face it the Texans and every other NFL team are a product.

Vinny
09-03-2005, 12:35 PM
It doesn't matter at all. Most of us look like expansion fans here posting on this board (kinda embarrassing). The Colts went 0-5 this preseason and I don't see their fan base jumping out windows like ours....but they aren't full of new NFL fans.

gr8slayer
09-03-2005, 12:38 PM
Ive never understood people who start crying "the sky is falling" when you dont win every preseason game. The preseason matters in the second half when your backups are trying to make the team but other than that, to hell with it.

Texans Pride
09-03-2005, 12:46 PM
Most of us look like expansion fans here posting on this board (kinda embarrassing).

And some of us are pompous and arrogant

Vinny, if you are so embarrassed by your fellow board members, you can always leave. The Texans world will spin without you; I'm sure they can find someone else to be the local sheriff of the board.

tsip
09-03-2005, 12:50 PM
It doesn't matter at all. Most of us look like expansion fans here posting on this board (kinda embarrassing). The Colts went 0-5 this preseason and I don't see their fan base jumping out windows like ours....but they aren't full of new NFL fans.

Whats going to be embarrassing is if our poor play continues into the
season---too, I think the Colt situation is a little different than ours
because they have a championship history of winning that their fans
expect to continue. Finally, I sure hope the Texans can get down their
passing timing in the next couple of practices since it didn't get done in
the preseason. For me, winning in preseason is not important but-when
you make major changes in your offense or defense- I think it's crucial to
iron out any potential problems before the games count..

Vinny
09-03-2005, 01:02 PM
For me, winning in preseason is not important but-when
you make major changes in your offense or defense- I think it's crucial to
iron out any potential problems before the games count..Thats why you go vanilla and man-up to teams without deception. It's the best way too see what you have in your players as the games do not count.

jmlockett
09-03-2005, 01:04 PM
Winning Isn't Everything. I Would Be Happy To See A Losing Preseason If The Team Looked Like They Knew What In The World They Were Doing. This Preseason All I Saw Was A Coach That Showed Hardly Any Emotion. A Frustrated Franchise Qb. Play Calling That Could Of Been Done Better By A Liitle League Coach. And A Team With The Enthusiasm Of A Death Row Inmates Waiting In Line For Their Shot. I Think That We Need To Shake The Team Up And Start From The Top Down.

Kaiser Toro
09-03-2005, 01:14 PM
It matters for positional battles. It matters for installation of new schemes. It matters to measure how a rookie picks up the playbook in real time. It matters when you have a player recovering from an injury.

The results on the scoreboard do not matter.

I was pleased by the O line, with Davis and Morency, CC Brown, Mathis and Greenwood.

If our QB can make things happen this year I will up by 8-8 projection, but I am not holding my breath. :texflag:

texasguy346
09-03-2005, 01:22 PM
Vinny, if you are so embarrassed by your fellow board members, you can always leave. The Texans world will spin without you; I'm sure they can find someone else to be the local sheriff of the board.

It wouldn't be quite as easy as you think to replace Vinny. He does alot around here to keep this place running so the fans can have a place to voice their opinions on the team. He devotes a great deal of time to the board, and I don't think you fully realize how hard he would be to replace. Thankfully he's devoted to the Texans and this board despite the flack he gets from some.

DomDavis
09-03-2005, 01:26 PM
So Carr having a 5.7 and a 0.0 passer rating against the Cowboys and the Buccaneers respectively doesnít matter?

AJ dropping key passes (one in the end zone for a touchdown) doesnít matter?

Only converting 19 of 56 third down attempts doesnít matter?

Ranking 30th in total defense and offense doesnít matter?


I'm not trying to come off rude, and I hope I'm not, I am just bringing these points up.

not one bit.

Texans Pride
09-03-2005, 01:31 PM
It wouldn't be quite as easy as you think to replace Vinny. He does alot around here to keep this place running so the fans can have a place to voice their opinions on the team. He devotes a great deal of time to the board, and I don't think you fully realize how hard he would be to replace. Thankfully he's devoted to the Texans and this board despite the flack he gets from some.


I don't want this thread to turn a different direction, but I fully understand how hard Vinny works, and how much effort he puts into this board. I have praised him and thanked him on numerous occasions for his hard work.

However I do grow tired of his belittling and arrogant comments he makes when someone says something he doesn't like. . . Chicken little this, and chicken little that; itís uncalled for.

He can just as easily make is opinion known that he doesn't think the preseason matters without all of the "embarrassing fans and expansion fans" comments.

DomDavis
09-03-2005, 01:37 PM
Winning Isn't Everything. This Preseason All I Saw Was A Coach That Showed Hardly Any Emotion.

How much emotion do you expect when winning and losing doesn't matter (like you said)?

A Frustrated Franchise Qb.

You said you wanted emotion/enthusiasm, but now you're insulting Carr for showing that emotion? Huh?

Play Calling That Could Of Been Done Better By A Liitle League Coach.

So we should show all our schemes and plays in the preseason so Buffalo's defensive coordinator can be prepared on Sept. 11?

And A Team With The Enthusiasm Of A Death Row Inmates Waiting In Line For Their Shot.

If it's ok to lose the games (which you said), how much enthusiasm do you really expect?

I Think That We Need To Shake The Team Up And Start From The Top Down.

I think you need to get some common sense and realize that these are meaningless preseason football games.

Vinny
09-03-2005, 01:41 PM
I don't want this thread to turn a different direction, but I fully understand how hard Vinny works, and how much effort he puts into this board. I have praised him and thanked him on numerous occasions for his hard work.

However I do grow tired of his belittling and arrogant comments he makes when someone says something he doesn't like. . . Chicken little this, and chicken little that; itís uncalled for.

He can just as easily make is opinion known that he doesn't think the preseason matters without all of the "embarrassing fans and expansion fans" comments.I really don't care if you don't like my opinion to be honest...it's just my opinion.

I think some of the banter here is embarrassing to be associated with as a fan base. That's my honest opinion. I just say what I think.....That's much more honest than just telling you guys what I think you want to hear. If you don't like it....well tough luck because I may not like your posts as well. I read them in any case. This is an opinion oriented message board.

bckey
09-03-2005, 01:50 PM
I don't care what team went went winless in preseason. Forget wins and losses. What fans are worried about is the total lack of heart, poor execution, and inability to score shown by our Texans offense. That does matter. You can't blow it off as just preseason.

DomDavis
09-03-2005, 01:56 PM
I don't care what team went went winless in preseason. Forget wins and losses. What fans are worried about is the total lack of heart, poor execution, and inability to score shown by our Texans offense. That does matter. You can't blow it off as just preseason.

If wins and losses don't matter, then why would the Texans want to prove how well they could score, etc.? Surprise is your best friend in the NFL. If you're Dom Capers and Chris Palmer, why would you ever want to show most of your schemes (and give defensive co-ordinators more preparation) when the games don't matter? And if wins and losses don't matter (as you said), how much "heart" do you really expect?

tsip
09-03-2005, 02:05 PM
If wins and losses don't matter, then why would the Texans want to prove how well they could score, etc.? Surprise is your best friend in the NFL. If you're Dom Capers and Chris Palmer, why would you ever want to show most of your schemes (and give defensive co-ordinators more preparation) when the games don't matter? And if wins and losses don't matter (as you said), how much "heart" do you really expect?

...if your theory was correct, we would never show anything because it
could be coached against the following week--would love to see you coaching a team where the players show no 'heart',lose, then you can
hand them their 6 or 7 figure check (divided by the 16 games) :)

Texans Pride
09-03-2005, 02:06 PM
***Edit*** I'll argue with Vinny out of this thread. It doesn't belong here.

aj.
09-03-2005, 02:09 PM
Preseason is not about wins and losses but it is about building confidence and seeing glimpses of progress. We saw hints of progress and goodness in the first three preseason games. We also saw all-too-familiar ugliness.

Regardless of what some say about preseason not mattering, losing is frustrating and you never want that frustration to build to a level where it erodes a teamís confidence.

Indy isn't a good comparison since they sat their entire first units down for much of the preseason to let nagging injuries heal. They know what they have: the best offense in the NFL and an improved defense with the addition of Corey Simon, Marlin Jackson and others. After four preseason games, the Texans still don't know what they have.

Just a hunch but I don't think the Texans are a real confident bunch at the moment. I think they know they can do better and I'm sure they are determined to fix the problem areas, but if they can't get anything going at Buffalo, there is a risk of this offensive ineptness having a carryover effect.

Preseason matters when you see your starting QB slam the ball to the ground in frustration because they can't execute some of the most basic vanilla plays in the playbook. Preseason matters when your head coach calls the players' effort "embarrassing." Yes, preseason matters. Not in the win and loss column but in other ways.

A few words about this board: It used to be fun and informative.

DomDavis
09-03-2005, 02:10 PM
...if your theory was correct, we would never show anything because it
could be coached against the following week--would love to see you coaching a team where the players show no 'heart',lose, then you can
hand them their 6 or 7 figure check (divided by the 16 games) :)

It's not a theory; it's a fact. It's also common sense.

I said nothing about the regular season. They're going to be able to prepare for you as the season goes on. It sucks, but that's part of the game. Nevertheless, it is a distinct advantage for every team in the first month, and you'd be foolish to blow it.

I'd love to see you coaching a team where you'd bench potentially great players from a poor performance in a meaningless exhibition game.

tsip
09-03-2005, 02:24 PM
"potentially great players"

This can apply to every player that puts on a uniform but it won't win
any football games. Read AJ's post...he's been around the block a 'couple
of times.'

DomDavis
09-03-2005, 02:27 PM
"potentially great players"

This can apply to every player that puts on a uniform but it won't win
any football games. Read AJ's post...he's been around the block a 'couple
of times.'

So have many others in this thread.

You take your players who play all-out in meaningless exhibitions. I'll take my players who are generally regarded as standout talents with decent track records (see Carr '04) who play poorly in meaningless exhibitions. I've got a hunch my team might take that game.

tsip
09-03-2005, 02:57 PM
'generally regarded '


...would love to take that bet!!!!!!!!!

GP
09-03-2005, 03:29 PM
Preseason DOES matter.

Repeat after me:

"The Texans organization is NOT above criticism."

"Some players DESERVE direct criticism."

"A Texans fan is STILL a Texans fan even if he thinks the Texans are regressing right now"

I wish I could throw around the "we" expression when I fail to do something right in my marriage or in my job, etc. "Well, honey....we just need to do a better job of mowing the grass and taking out the garbage, don't WE?"

Yeah, the old "WE"-ism and the "Just Preseason" expressions are two of my favorite alibis for a Texans team that has been missing in action for a month.

Oh well. At least it's not preseason anymore :ok: . Something magical happened after the last preseason game: I heard the Texans might be releasing Swinton and Sloan Thomas in return for a bag of magical beans.

jmlockett
09-03-2005, 03:34 PM
I Would Like To Point Out A Few Of Your Misunderstandings Dom. First Isaid I Wouldn't Mind Seeing A Losing Preseason If The Team Looked Like They Knew What They Were Doing Ie: Too Many Penaltys. If Our Team Went Out There And Played A Good Game And Just Got Out Played Because Of The Fact That Our 3rd Stringers And Rookies Just Weren't As Good Ok. However This Is Not The Case. Our Qb Did Show Emotion, Although It Was Negative Emotion, What Could He Of Done Differently Is Hard To Say Except That The Emoption That He Did Display Was Not That Of A Leader. I Guess That I Would Of Wanted Him To Get The Team In A Huddle And Basically Chewed On Some Tail And Lit A Fire Under His Team To Get Their Attention And Respect.what I Guess It Comes Down Too Is Having Pma (positive Mental Attitude) Without IT You Focus On The Negative And Dont Try To Build On The Positive. That Is Why I Said Shake The Team Up From The Top Down. Start At The Oc And Work Your Way Down. In All Fairness Maybe Carr Tried To Do Just What I Said And Hopefully Capers And Crew May Know Something We Dont. I Want To Challenge Everyone To Look At The Film Over The Last Couple Of Yrs And Compare The Enthusiasm And The Pma To This Season. Could The Fact That We Cut Loose Some Very Popular Players With The Team Have Anything To Do With Thier Mindset? You Can Look At Stats All Day Long But There Is Something More Going ON Here In My Opinion. Now As For Showing Enthusiasm Yes It Should Matter To Players Heart If They Win Or Lose. It Should Matter If They Are Able To Look In The Mirror The Next Morning And Be Able To Say I Truly Gave It All I Had. It Should Show In The Way A Player Plays His Position That It Matters. As For The Rest Of The World All That Should Matter Is That Our Team Gave Their All

DomDavis
09-03-2005, 04:06 PM
I Want To Challenge Everyone To Look At The Film Over The Last Couple Of Yrs And Compare The Enthusiasm And The Pma To This Season. Could The Fact That We Cut Loose Some Very Popular Players With The Team Have Anything To Do With Thier Mindset?

*yawn*

It's the same argument every year. The Texans looked even worse in the '03 preseason than they did the last two games. Multiple blowout losses, 0-4, fans whine about the team regressing and not having heart... etc. What happened? They went out the next week on the road and beat a very good Miami team.

If you're asking me to compare the enthusiasm and the "pma" from this preseason to previous preseasons, I don't see a bit of difference. The players and coaches don't really care about these games, and they shouldn't, other than to avoid injury. If you're trying to compare the team's enthusiasm for these preseason games to their enthusiasm for last year's regular season games... well, that's ridiculous.

Yeah, the old "WE"-ism and the "Just Preseason" expressions are two of my favorite alibis for a Texans team that has been missing in action for a month.

yup, it's just an alibi. the season's over if you have a bad preseason. the colts shouldn't even try this year... they should trade Manning and build for the future. after all, preseason matters!!!!!

tsip
09-03-2005, 06:15 PM
"Pittsburgh Steelers battled back for a hard-earned 21-17 come-from-behind victory over the pesky Panthers in Carolina. So why wasn't the team satisfied? The answer lies in a first-string offense that failed to score a touchdown all preseason, and again looked miserable against the Panthers. Though many people are concerned about the slow start, Ben Roethlisberger, who completed just 2 of 6 passes for 24 yards, is not one of them. "I've told you 100 times, I'm not concerned yet. I'll let you know when I am and I don't think that is going to happen," Roethlisberger said. "We haven't run a lot of plays that fit me, like getting out of the pocket." Backup Charlie Batch provided the heroics for the Steelers, thowing a 44-yard TD pass to Sean Morey with 1:35 to play. "

from NFL.com...Cohwer is worried and not happy about Pitts offense

TigerBait
09-03-2005, 06:26 PM
I don't care what team went went winless in preseason. Forget wins and losses. What fans are worried about is the total lack of heart, poor execution, and inability to score shown by our Texans offense. That does matter. You can't blow it off as just preseason.
That wasn't my point though. By putting the records you could see that even some of the best teams contained many of the same dissapointments and let downs in the preseason, while some of the worst teams looked like Super bowl champs in mid-season form. IMO you just can't over analyze the preseason. Sure I would of rather the Texans blow out every team, but when ur missing some starters and purposely playing conservative, it's just not going to happen. I trust our team to be ready to play come week 1.

SESupergenius
09-03-2005, 06:34 PM
for what it's worth, Capersconcept of the preseason win is just in evaluating talent. His record in the preseason is as follows:

2003
week1 L 12-20 DEN
week2 L 6-34 DAL
week3 L 17-19 SD
week4 L 3-34 TB

2004
week1 W 18-0 Dallas
week2 L 3-38 PIT
week3 L 17-31 DEN
week4 L 9-17 TB

2005
week1 L 20-14
week2 W 19-17
week3 L 9-21
week4 L 38-14



It's not very fan friendly, but Capers uses it for evaluation than for victories. I personally only get concerned in the preseason when our 1st team offensive unit doesn't score. Like I said, our team has made a LOT of changes this offseason so don't go expecting a playoff run just yet, but I wouldn't go so far as to say we won't many games.

LBC_Justin
09-03-2005, 06:34 PM
So Carr having a 5.7 and a 0.0 passer rating against the Cowboys and the Buccaneers respectively doesnít matter?

AJ dropping key passes (one in the end zone for a touchdown) doesnít matter?

Only converting 19 of 56 third down attempts doesnít matter?

Ranking 30th in total defense and offense doesnít matter?


I'm not trying to come off rude, and I hope I'm not, I am just bringing these points up.
Nope, none of that matters. I truely don't think you guys grasp exactly how meaningless preseason is.

I have a friend who played in the NFL (even went to the superbowl) and he doesnt even follow the NFL preseason. I asked him why and he just laughed. "It is for the scrubs to try and grap a roster spot, while the starters work at finding the best way to avoid traffic while getting to the stadium"

The current guys in the NFL won't tell you that. They know people pay full price to go to those preseason games.

It truely doesn't matter...................but it does matter how well they play over the next 17+ weeks.

aj.
09-03-2005, 06:34 PM
Cowher worried? Don't you know that it doesn't matter? Fall in line already will ya?

tsip
09-03-2005, 06:38 PM
Cowher worried? Don't you know that it doesn't matter? Fall in line already will ya?

sorry, nfl.com is the one who interviewed him and thats what he said

Texans Pride
09-03-2005, 07:00 PM
It wouldnít be such a big deal if it were our second and third string players that were making these mistakes, but it isnít. It is our first team offense that are throwing interceptions, dropping passes, running the wrong routes, not hitting their timing, and a defense that is allowing big plays to continue to happen.

It just doesnít look much different than last year.

I know, vanilla play calling. Well we canít even execute our vanilla play calling, and we surely canít stop the other teamís vanilla play calling from scoring all over us.

Texans Pride
09-03-2005, 07:06 PM
I wish I spoke as eloquently as AJ. He truly is a great writer and his ďVoice of the FanĒ article states exactly what I am worried about as a fan.

AJ, I hope you donít mind me using your work as a supportive stance.


http://houstontexans.com/news/news_detail.php?PRKey=1909

Now what?

Like many of you, Iím glad that preseason is finally over, but needless to say fans are very concerned about what lies ahead. Fans are concerned because if preseason is any indication, we have no clue what kind of a team we will have this season.

In the first two games we saw glimpses of a competent first-team offense in very limited duty. In the last two games, we saw ineptness at best in more extended action.

Itís pointless to waste a lot of time and energy trying to figure out what happened against Tampa. Weíll leave that up to the coaches, players and the Friday morning quarterbacks. But last night I did something Iíve never done before during a Texans television broadcast. When it hit 31-0, I turned it off.

The Texans offense has stunk it up in the last two games. David Carr and the receivers appear to be reading from different playbooks. Carr has thrown four interceptions in his last 24 attempts. With the exception of the first half against Dallas there has been no pass rush. The Texans' offensive line was dominated by the Bucs. Texans fans are confused and frustrated. Heck, the players look confused and frustrated.

The ďitís only preseasonĒ mantra doesnít fly any more. The embarrassment in Tampa tells me there are some basic and fundamental problems that need to be rectified pronto or else we are in for a long season.

But if youíre looking for something to hold on to, two years ago, the Texans finished 1-3 in preseason and lost 34-3 in their final preseason game at Tampa which was very reminiscent of last night's debacle. Then on the opening week of regular season, they go out and beat Miami on the road.

About the only other encouraging sign from the Tampa game is that Jabar Gaffney appears to be as good as new after seeing his first action of the season.

Itís hard to be optimistic at this point so cross your fingers and hope for the best at Buffalo. Itís about all a frustrated fan can do.

tsip
09-04-2005, 02:32 PM
...only 1 playoff team from last year had a losing preseason record(Colts)

...only 28% of all NFL teams had losing preseason records

Corrosion
09-04-2005, 03:30 PM
http://houstontexans.com/news/news_detail.php?PRKey=1909

The ďitís only preseasonĒ mantra doesnít fly any more. The embarrassment in Tampa tells me there are some basic and fundamental problems that need to be rectified pronto or else we are in for a long season.

I think some of their off-season moves are starting to show up in their performance ....

The release of Sharper and Glenn , The fact that they didnt address the #2 reciever spot . As well as the TE position , in which case they were counting on Joppru to stay healthy ....

I would list the O-line in this too BUT they did bring in Victor Riley who has played .... above expectations .
We can still place the blame on the O-line and their problems in pass protection for the offensive ineptitude .... The Texans basicly had to change their whole offensive philosophy based on this fact . In turn the Carr and his recievers look as if they have never played a down together .


These games may not count in the standings but the way the team progresses from game to game in the pre-season does . I think they took a step backwards as the pre-season wore on .

tsip
09-04-2005, 03:54 PM
http://houstontexans.com/news/news_detail.php?PRKey=1909



I think some of their off-season moves are starting to show up in their performance ....

The release of Sharper and Glenn , The fact that they didnt address the #2 reciever spot . As well as the TE position , in which case they were counting on Joppru to stay healthy ....

I would list the O-line in this too BUT they did bring in Victor Riley who has played .... above expectations .
We can still place the blame on the O-line and their problems in pass protection for the offensive ineptitude .... The Texans basicly had to change their whole offensive philosophy based on this fact . In turn the Carr and his recievers look as if they have never played a down together .


These games may not count in the standings but the way the team progresses from game to game in the pre-season does . I think they took a step backwards as the pre-season wore on .

Good post...what bothers me the most about the preseason is that the
coaches didn't allow the 1st team to get their timing down with the new
offense (practice is not the same as real time), which means--if the pre-
season is a real pic of where that new offense is at-- that timing will have
to be done in games that count. We now know that one series in the first
2 games by the 1st team is not a true indicator of where the offense is at.

DomDavis
09-04-2005, 04:59 PM
"Pittsburgh Steelers battled back for a hard-earned 21-17 come-from-behind victory over the pesky Panthers in Carolina. So why wasn't the team satisfied? The answer lies in a first-string offense that failed to score a touchdown all preseason, and again looked miserable against the Panthers. Though many people are concerned about the slow start, Ben Roethlisberger, who completed just 2 of 6 passes for 24 yards, is not one of them. "I've told you 100 times, I'm not concerned yet. I'll let you know when I am and I don't think that is going to happen," Roethlisberger said. "We haven't run a lot of plays that fit me, like getting out of the pocket." Backup Charlie Batch provided the heroics for the Steelers, thowing a 44-yard TD pass to Sean Morey with 1:35 to play. "

from NFL.com...Cohwer is worried and not happy about Pitts offense

Where is Cowher even mentioned in that quote?

tsip
09-04-2005, 06:02 PM
Where is Cowher even mentioned in that quote?

Ok, I'll play your little game. I'll look for the rest of the article with Cowhers
name, while you find a statement from him per your post that says he is
not worried. Fair enough? :yahoo:

tsip
09-04-2005, 06:10 PM
There are a lot of concerns,Ē said Cowher. ďWe have a lot of work to do. Hopefully we can get a lot of things rectified in a short period of time. I certainly was not very pleased with our effort on either side of the ball.



ďI donít think we came out and played with our first units very well at all. I donít think offensively or defensively we played the last couple of weeks to the standard we need to play at. Thatís where we are. We are opening up at home against Tennessee and we have some work to do.Ē



...quotes like this all over the Steelers site

DomDavis
09-04-2005, 06:14 PM
There are a lot of concerns,Ē said Cowher. ďWe have a lot of work to do. Hopefully we can get a lot of things rectified in a short period of time. I certainly was not very pleased with our effort on either side of the ball.



ďI donít think we came out and played with our first units very well at all. I donít think offensively or defensively we played the last couple of weeks to the standard we need to play at. Thatís where we are. We are opening up at home against Tennessee and we have some work to do.Ē



...quotes like this all over the Steelers site

There's a huge, huge difference between saying "we have some work to do" and "was not very pleased with the effort" and "being worried", as you said. It's the job of any good coach to find things to work on in both execution and effort. If you go out and say you have nothing to work on, what incentive are you giving the players?

There's a huge difference between that and saying you're worried about how you're going to play in the regular season based on the preseason.

Texans Pride
09-11-2005, 08:21 PM
After todays game, I think it's fair to bring this thread back to the front page....


I mean after all, the preseason doesn't mean anything, and it surely doesn't show us how our real season is going to go!!!!

Vinny
09-11-2005, 08:23 PM
the preseason doesn't mean anything. That is still true today. Today means something though....and it's not good.

Texans Pride
09-11-2005, 08:25 PM
The preseason doesn't mean ANYTHING as far as wins and losses, but anyone who didn't see the writing on the wall either has red, white, and blue glasses on, or is blind.

Vinny
09-11-2005, 08:33 PM
Colts had a miserable preseason and they srue look good right now. Detroit had a poor preseason, as well as Miami....they both won today. Preseason is about looking at your back ups....but yeah, everything kinda pointed to us not being good.

Texans Pride
09-11-2005, 08:42 PM
You are right, but it's also about looking at your first team starters when they played...Let's see, the offense was stopped four times at the 1. Your starting oline...how many times was Carr hurried, knocked down, or sacked just against Dallas? Your starting receivers who were dropping balls left and right...today they didn't just drop them, they flat out didn't turn around and look at the ball, to bad elbows can't catch. It's also about looking at your starting defense which ranked 30th in the preseason.....All of which looked the same today.

Texans Pride
12-04-2005, 08:37 PM
I still believe, and even more so today, that the preseason does matter. Maybe it doesn't for other teams like the Colts, but for the Houston Texans, it means everything.

The writing was on the wall from the very beginning.

HJam72
12-04-2005, 08:40 PM
I still believe, and even more so today, that the preseason does matter. Maybe it doesn't for other teams like the Colts, but for the Houston Texans, it means everything.

The writing was on the wall from the very beginning.

You're right. I think this team's gonna be 1-11 after week 13. :)