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Texas
08-30-2005, 02:55 PM
I'd have to say Young

Fiddy
08-30-2005, 02:57 PM
2 National Championships to 0 wins vs. OU

Leinhart

(My UT fan side) Leinhart has had some better players around him, but you cant argue with results...

Exascor
08-30-2005, 03:05 PM
I, personally, like QBs that can pass.

Huge
08-30-2005, 03:07 PM
Leinart is the better QB. Vince Young is the better QB for Texas' offense.

Lucky
08-30-2005, 03:30 PM
I'll take Omar Jacobs over the both of them. He's a top athlete who has QB skills.

DomDavis
08-30-2005, 03:45 PM
2 National Championships to 0 wins vs. OU

Leinhart

(My UT fan side) Leinhart has had some better players around him, but you cant argue with results...

You can when it's a team result and you're comparing individuals.

texasguy346
08-30-2005, 04:11 PM
Out of those two I'd say Leinhart is the better QB. If your talkin about who'll be the best NFL QB I'd say Chris Leak will be a very good pro.

Fiddy
08-30-2005, 04:18 PM
You can when it's a team result and you're comparing individuals. I guess than you can throw out all stats cause all stats are dependent on a team effort. WR catches ball from QB but WR doesnt catch ball if he doesnt get open. WR doesnt catch ball if QB is on his back. WR doesnt catch ball if the other WRs dont run their routes to stretch the defense. O-line doesnt keep QB on feet if RB cant run. RB cant run if O-line doesnt get their there hat on someone. If RB doesnt run then playaction doesnt work and QB doesnt have enough time, etc. The indiviual is vital to the success of the team so you can compare team success when comparing individuals or it would be pointless to look at stats at all...

Fldvldog
08-30-2005, 04:41 PM
Omar Jacobs is the best QB in the nation...MARK MY WORDS...

Nawzer
08-30-2005, 06:08 PM
I like Vince Young and I'm a UT fan but I've got to go with Leinart because he's the better QB. Vince is a phenomenal athlete but as a passer I have to go with Leinart.

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
08-30-2005, 06:38 PM
I'll take Omar Jacobs over the both of them. He's a top athlete who has QB skills.


Agreed.

Panther5407
08-30-2005, 06:57 PM
Leinhart anyday for a quaterback. If I wanted a runningback, Young is my man. But best of all my team has a combo by the name of Reggie McNeil. Some of Youngs running plus Leinharts throwing and decision making.

Texas
08-30-2005, 07:34 PM
I just really like Young after seeing last years game against Michigan

DomDavis
08-30-2005, 08:22 PM
I guess than you can throw out all stats cause all stats are dependent on a team effort. WR catches ball from QB but WR doesnt catch ball if he doesnt get open. WR doesnt catch ball if QB is on his back. WR doesnt catch ball if the other WRs dont run their routes to stretch the defense. O-line doesnt keep QB on feet if RB cant run. RB cant run if O-line doesnt get their there hat on someone. If RB doesnt run then playaction doesnt work and QB doesnt have enough time, etc. The indiviual is vital to the success of the team so you can compare team success when comparing individuals or it would be pointless to look at stats at all...

He's part of the team, not the whole team. No stat can tell everything. Obviously a quarterback is dependent on the players around him for his own ratings, much like the team is dependent on all its players for their record. But, individual statistics are more reflective of a quarterback than W/L record. Neither one is perfect, but individual statistics are better. You can have the best quarterback in the world and he can he held down in W/L if the coaching and other players aren't good. Texas has had plenty of its very talented quarterbacks over the years... none seem to beat OU or win the national championship. Sooner or later, it's time to realize that it's the system and the coaching, not the individual players.

And McNeal isn't close to Leinart in decision-making.

Huge
08-30-2005, 08:53 PM
You can plug McNeal and Young into USC's system and they're going to do well.

Plug McNeal or Leinart into Texas' system and they get killed.

Fiddy
08-30-2005, 09:03 PM
Texas has had plenty of its very talented quarterbacks over the years... none seem to beat OU or win the national championship. Sooner or later, it's time to realize that it's the system and the coaching, not the individual players. I find it hard to blame Mack Brown when Young loses the ball on a QB sneak to get a first down last year or a TD the year before...

Reddevil63
08-30-2005, 09:35 PM
Plug McNeal or Leinart into Texas' system and they get killed.
Haha, do what? McNeal is just as fast if not faster than Young, he just doesnt have near as much talent around him. Even with that McNeal only threw 4 INT's to Young's 11, so that has to say something about his passing ability.

V Man
08-30-2005, 09:49 PM
Young is a great athlete who plays QB, while Leinhart is a great college QB (2 national championships prove that). Whether either become superstars at the next level, we will have to wait to see, cause like several have already mentioned there are better QB's in college this year than those two.



Oh by the way I selected Leinhart.

DomDavis
08-30-2005, 11:35 PM
McNeal has comparable speed to Young, but he doesn't have close to the vision. Young has vision and cutbacks that most running backs would kill to have, much less quarterbacks. It's a lot more than straight-line speed with Young.

I find it hard to blame Mack Brown when Young loses the ball on a QB sneak to get a first down last year or a TD the year before...

I don't. One of Texas' primary problems over the years has been the lack of a pocket presence from their quarterbacks. One of the knocks on both Mock and Simms was that they didn't seem to tuck away the ball when the defenses approached. That's a skill that can be taught and drilled into players, and when one school consistently has the same problems but with different players, you have to look at the people preparing them.

FYI, I do think Leinart is probably the better quarterback right now... not sure if it'll be that way in a couple of months, but for now, I agree. That said, I agree because of his statistics and individual performance, not the fact that he's won one or two (depending on what poll you use) championships. Matt Mauck, Craig Krynzel and Tee Martin are national champions too... doesn't prove they are/were great quarterbacks.

ATX
08-31-2005, 03:28 AM
Tough question there. But i will say this, Ive seen Young play alot more than Leinart so, it's hard to be unbiased in this question. Young reminds me of a Vick type QB, great runner, average passer. Leinert is a great passer, but not as mobile as young. either way, should be a good year in college football to evaluate prospects.

Huge
08-31-2005, 11:49 AM
Haha, do what? McNeal is just as fast if not faster than Young, he just doesnt have near as much talent around him. Even with that McNeal only threw 4 INT's to Young's 11, so that has to say something about his passing ability.
What does McNeal's speed have to do with anything? Speed doesn't help you break tackles...it just helps you out run them.

McNeal is faster than Young...there's simply no quesitoning that. But if you think he's half the runner than Young is, you're delusional.

And who cares how many INTs each has? Do you think that matters in the offense Texas runs? In that offense, you better be able to take a lot of hits while making a ton of plays on your own. In that sense, McNeal or Leinart can't hold a candle to Young.

Derek
08-31-2005, 12:25 PM
Hmmm.. good question. If a team wanted success, I'd go with Leinhart. But if the organization wanted to sell tickets, you have to go with Young. Although success also can lead to money, it's a different way the franchise will be heading. We're are seeing more and more scrambling QBs, if one can pull off a better arm than Michael Vick, that'd be great. Marcus Vick is said to be faster than his brother, but I totally doubt he has any arm like Michael.

astrofan
08-31-2005, 02:59 PM
Chip Hodges

Bubbajwp
08-31-2005, 07:31 PM
Haha, do what? McNeal is just as fast if not faster than Young, he just doesnt have near as much talent around him. Even with that McNeal only threw 4 INT's to Young's 11, so that has to say something about his passing ability. McNeal is the man. :thumbup

BigBull17
09-01-2005, 07:25 AM
I, personally, like QBs that can pass.

Amen. Watch Peerless Price will go to the Cowgirls and then they will draft Vince Young. He will be institutionalized for going on a rampage yelling "QBS THROW!!!!" over and over.

threetoedpete
09-01-2005, 11:21 PM
My money says by the end of this season Young will pass Leinhart as the better QB. It'll cost the kid forty million bucks in couple of years if he doesn't.
I voted for Leinhart in the poll, but I believe Young chatches him this season.

Ah , I've seen McNeil play. He will make a very nice living as Coach McNeil. Some guys are born to wear a whistle.

Panther5407
09-02-2005, 04:45 PM
[QUOTE=Huge]And who cares how many INTs each has? QUOTE]

Since when do turn overs not matter. I thought they did but I guess not. I'll just keep a quaterback with 3 ints compared to 11. Might just be me though.

O ya, sorry for starting this whole McNeal thing up, I just couldnt resist throwing his name in there.

Huge
09-02-2005, 10:08 PM
Since when do turn overs not matter. I thought they did but I guess not. I'll just keep a quaterback with 3 ints compared to 11. Might just be me though.

O ya, sorry for starting this whole McNeal thing up, I just couldnt resist throwing his name in there.
Okay, you keep the QB that only threw 4 INTs (you missed one). I'll keep the one that was picked by more Big12 coaches as the best QB in the conference.

But that might just be them and what do they know?

TigerBait
09-03-2005, 11:14 AM
I'll take Omar Jacobs over the both of them. He's a top athlete who has QB skills.
He's on ESPN right now. He looked really good on the first drive vs. Wisconsin.

Fldvldog
09-03-2005, 03:42 PM
Okay, you keep the QB that only threw 4 INTs (you missed one). I'll keep the one that was picked by more Big12 coaches as the best QB in the conference.

But that might just be them and what do they know?

Didn't Young only have 12 Td's last season? Along with 11 INT's...

I'd take McNeil over Young in a heartbeat. He can run, pass, and be a leader.

And I would take Omar Jacobs over Leinart...

Huge
09-03-2005, 05:58 PM
12 TDs passing...yes. McNeal had a whopping 14 TDs with 94 more attempts.

And like I said, you (and anybody else) can have McNeal. I have no question that he's the better NFL prospect as a QB. But he is not a better college QB than Vince Young.

Do you think Kliff Kingsbury was a better college QB than Tommie Frazier? Kingsbury certainly had the better passing numbers so he must've been the better QB, right?

Fldvldog
09-03-2005, 06:08 PM
12 TDs passing...yes. McNeal had a whopping 14 TDs with 94 more attempts.

And like I said, you (and anybody else) can have McNeal. I have no question that he's the better NFL prospect as a QB. But he is not a better college QB than Vince Young.

Do you think Kliff Kingsbury was a better college QB than Tommie Frazier? Kingsbury certainly had the better passing numbers so he must've been the better QB, right?

What I'm trying to say is that McNeil protects the football better than Young. And one of the reasons why McNeil had more attempts is because Young is a "run-first" QB and everybody knows it. Nobody can deny that. McNeil is the run-and-gun QB that I would take (yes, It's just MY opinion). He will not have more than 5 or 6 INT's this season, and IMO, he will put up 18+ TD's.

Don't get me wrong, Young is a GREAT athlete -- but IMO, he is an ATHLETE not a pure QB. He, too, will have a great season this year, and I expect Texas to FINALLY knock off Ohio State this season...

rmartin65
09-03-2005, 06:16 PM
in other words, Young is like Vick

Fldvldog
09-03-2005, 06:48 PM
in other words, Young is like Vick

In a nutshell...

Huge
09-03-2005, 09:34 PM
What I'm trying to say is that McNeil protects the football better than Young. And one of the reasons why McNeil had more attempts is because Young is a "run-first" QB and everybody knows it. Nobody can deny that. McNeil is the run-and-gun QB that I would take (yes, It's just MY opinion). He will not have more than 5 or 6 INT's this season, and IMO, he will put up 18+ TD's.

Don't get me wrong, Young is a GREAT athlete -- but IMO, he is an ATHLETE not a pure QB. He, too, will have a great season this year, and I expect Texas to FINALLY knock off Ohio State this season...
Um...no. Young has (had) a ton fewer passing attempts because Texas has had Cedric Benson in the backfield (and they're a running team). Not to mention all the games that Young has come out early because of blowouts. Add all that up, and Young is going to have a lot fewer passers. Not because he looks to run first.

I agree he's an athlete playing QB. But he is playing QB. And on the collegiate level, he's a better QB than McKneel.

Should we compare their Week 1 stats?

And I don't believe Texas has ever played Ohio State. Did you mean Oklahoma?

Fldvldog
09-04-2005, 01:31 PM
Um...no. Young has (had) a ton fewer passing attempts because Texas has had Cedric Benson in the backfield (and they're a running team). Not to mention all the games that Young has come out early because of blowouts. Add all that up, and Young is going to have a lot fewer passers. Not because he looks to run first.

I agree he's an athlete playing QB. But he is playing QB. And on the collegiate level, he's a better QB than McKneel.

Should we compare their Week 1 stats?

And I don't believe Texas has ever played Ohio State. Did you mean Oklahoma?

My mistake. I was thinking Oklahoma and typed Ohio State :)

Maybe you are right when it comes to the fewer passes. But I have seen many games of Vince Young, and he IS a run-first QB. I'm still not sold on him being "better" than McNeal...

Why compare week 1 stats? If you put it that way, compare Young and McNeal's week 5 stats of 2004. Exactly. Everybody has off games...

Haams
09-04-2005, 03:37 PM
Of course Vince Young is a run first QB. Compare his stats to Vick's, I think Vince Young is the best running college quarterback ever. I voted for Young because I took the question to mean who is the best college QB. I'm not sure what Vince's pro carreer will look like and if he doesn't show some better passing skills he'll be a receiver on the next level. But, in the college game he dominates everybody he goes up against. In a college football game you can count on Vince to move the ball and put some points on the board. I also think the passing ability is there, and this year I expect him to show that. Not a bad start last night.

BuffSoldier
09-04-2005, 03:58 PM
Haha, do what? McNeal is just as fast if not faster than Young, he just doesnt have near as much talent around him. Even with that McNeal only threw 4 INT's to Young's 11, so that has to say something about his passing ability.

Actaually Vince is much faster than Reggie McNeal, even though Matt leinart is still my #1.

Panther5407
09-04-2005, 04:09 PM
Actaually Vince is much faster than Reggie McNeal, even though Matt leinart is still my #1.

Reggie ran a 4.28 this offseason for NFL scouts. A faster recorded time than Young.

Huge
09-04-2005, 07:11 PM
Maybe you are right when it comes to the fewer passes. But I have seen many games of Vince Young, and he IS a run-first QB. I'm still not sold on him being "better" than McNeal...

Why compare week 1 stats? If you put it that way, compare Young and McNeal's week 5 stats of 2004. Exactly. Everybody has off games...
Explain a "run-first" QB. To me, that's a QB that when he has a run/pass option (Texas employs this in their games), he looks for open field to run before looking for WRs to throw to. Do you think this is what Young does or do you have a different opinion as to what a "run-first" QB is?

Why compare their Week 1 stats? Because if McNeal is that much better of a passer than Young, even his off games would at least compare to Young's. But again, I do believe McNeal to be the better passer. It's just not as big of a difference as everybody would like to think it is.

If you're still not sold on him being better than McNeal (by "better", I mean the better college QB), then I really don't know what to tell you. Pointing towards McNeal's superior ability to not turn the ball over just ain't doing it for me.

The bottom line is that when they've needed a play to be made, Vince has done it time and time again. You can't say that about Reggie (see last night for yet another example). If Reggie was on the same level as far as playmaking as Vince, he wouldn't be 3 (or is it 4?) games below .500 as a starter for his career.

Actaually Vince is much faster than Reggie McNeal, even though Matt leinart is still my #1.
Reggie ran a 4.28 this offseason for NFL scouts. A faster recorded time than Young.

Yeah, Reggie is definately the faster of the two. He's just not the better runner.

I read/heard about Reggie's 4.28 but I never heard what Vince's time was. What was it?

Fldvldog
09-04-2005, 07:51 PM
[QUOTE=Huge]Explain a "run-first" QB. To me, that's a QB that when he has a run/pass option (Texas employs this in their games), he looks for open field to run before looking for WRs to throw to. Do you think this is what Young does or do you have a different opinion as to what a "run-first" QB is?

Why compare their Week 1 stats? Because if McNeal is that much better of a passer than Young, even his off games would at least compare to Young's. But again, I do believe McNeal to be the better passer. It's just not as big of a difference as everybody would like to think it is.

If you're still not sold on him being better than McNeal (by "better", I mean the better college QB), then I really don't know what to tell you. Pointing towards McNeal's superior ability to not turn the ball over just ain't doing it for me.

The bottom line is that when they've needed a play to be made, Vince has done it time and time again. You can't say that about Reggie (see last night for yet another example). If Reggie was on the same level as far as playmaking as Vince, he wouldn't be 3 (or is it 4?) games below .500 as a starter for his career.
QUOTE]

I agree with you that Young is the better playmaker of the two. But one factor towards McNeil's starting record being worse than Young's is the talent around him. Nobody can deny that Texas has more talent than A&M (not that A&M has no talent, just not as much as Texas). You have to look at that when critiquing. Young has had help in the past (and present).

I must add, I never said that Reggie was a MUCH better passer than Young. I said that he was the better -- but it isn't a complete landslide. His off games would compare to Young's? Young had a GREAT game last night. Not to take anything away from Young, but UL Lafeyette is not Clemson. Clemson is the much better team of the two -- which cuts Reggie some slack (though, he still did not perform like we know he can perform). I expect McNeil to bounce back next week and have a great game (and more importantly, GET THE W).

I just want to end this post by letting everybody know that I AM NOT an A&M fan. I am a GATOR 4 LIFE.

Corrosion
09-04-2005, 07:54 PM
This thread was started quite a bit before either team played a game this season ...

My original vote was Matt Leinhart .... After watching both games yesterday I have to say my mind has changed . Vince Young looked MUCH improved in the passing game from last year and just as good on the ground .


This is one of those posts where your opinion can swing every time they play ...

Huge
09-04-2005, 08:42 PM
I agree with you that Young is the better playmaker of the two. But one factor towards McNeil's starting record being worse than Young's is the talent around him. Nobody can deny that Texas has more talent than A&M (not that A&M has no talent, just not as much as Texas). You have to look at that when critiquing. Young has had help in the past (and present).
A&M has a ton more talent than Baylor. A&M has more talent than Texas Tech. A&M has more talent than Clemson. A&M has more talent than a lot of teams they have lost to over the past few years and in many games that have been close that had no reason being close.

The "lesser talent" might hold water if the difference in their records wasn't so vast. Think of it this way: No way in hell does Texas win the Rose Bowl if Reggie McNeal is the starting QB. That performance had very little to do with the talent surrounding him that game. And the thing is, he was doing that all year long and people just brushed it aside..."well yeah, look at all their talent".

I must add, I never said that Reggie was a MUCH better passer than Young. I said that he was the better -- but it isn't a complete landslide. His off games would compare to Young's? Young had a GREAT game last night. Not to take anything away from Young, but UL Lafeyette is not Clemson. Clemson is the much better team of the two -- which cuts Reggie some slack (though, he still did not perform like we know he can perform). I expect McNeil to bounce back next week and have a great game (and more importantly, GET THE W).
You're right, Clemson is a better team than ULL. But they are still a bad team. If you're one of the top QBs in the country and you're playing for the 14th ranked team, you complete better than 50% of your passes (which is about the same rate as he completed in high school).

Reggie's problem is the same as Vince's and that's inconsistency. But people don't think of it that way because he doesn't have a funky throwing motion.

I just want to end this post by letting everybody know that I AM NOT an A&M fan. I am a GATOR 4 LIFE.
Chris Leak is freakin' awesome. I'd pay money just to watch his warm up throws. That guy has the best mechanics in the country. Good friend of mine is a Gators fan so I always pull for them in the SEC.

GetItHowULive
09-06-2005, 10:36 AM
V Young all the way!!!!!!!!!!

TheOgre
09-06-2005, 11:20 AM
Young needs to stay at Texas his senior year and work on his passing game. It could make a huge difference on his future as an NFL QB.

Corrosion
09-06-2005, 05:02 PM
Young needs to stay at Texas his senior year and work on his passing game. It could make a huge difference on his future as an NFL QB.


Absolutely Correct :play:

HoustonHarley
09-06-2005, 06:27 PM
Young needs to stay at Texas his senior year and work on his passing game. It could make a huge difference on his future as an NFL QB.

And like most good Longhorns, he will. McNeil doesn't even belong in this thread. He looked very average at best in the spotlight Saturday night against a not so good Clemson squad. And speaking of INT's, Reggie lovers should remember the important ones he has thrown in the past....you know those to the good guys in Orange. You and Coach Lisp, need to quiet down and wait your turn. It may come again one year, until then go take care of the sheep!

GetItHowULive
09-07-2005, 05:13 PM
Young Gun all the way! I find it more exciting to watch him play you never know what to expect.

Hook 'em

Panther5407
09-07-2005, 06:03 PM
And like most good Longhorns, he will. McNeil doesn't even belong in this thread. He looked very average at best in the spotlight Saturday night against a not so good Clemson squad. And speaking of INT's, Reggie lovers should remember the important ones he has thrown in the past....you know those to the good guys in Orange. You and Coach Lisp, need to quiet down and wait your turn. It may come again one year, until then go take care of the sheep!

That not so good Clemson team is ranked #25, so they aren't all that bad. McNeil had a off game, thats easy to see. Look what he did to Clemson last year. Anyone that thinks that Reggie is average at best needs to review what they have seen of him because they obviously havnt seen much at all.

Huge
09-07-2005, 06:38 PM
Yeah, they're ranked 25th now. In an effort to save face, the voters are going to give some props to a team that just knocked off a team that the voters placed at 14th.

But if you believe Clemson is the 25th best team in the country, I've got some property in Arizona I can sell you. And they were worse last year. Who cares what Reggie did to them then? Even Duke beat Clemson last year.

I do agree that Reggie is above average and that he did have an off game (even his stats were a bit skewed because of the drops by his receivers). But he has always been inconsistent and last Saturday was no different.

TheOgre
09-08-2005, 08:21 AM
Yeah, they're ranked 25th now. In an effort to save face, the voters are going to give some props to a team that just knocked off a team that the voters placed at 14th.
Exactly right. The same reason Georgia Tech, TCU, and Notre Dame will rise up this week.


I've got some property in Arizona I can sell you.
This saying is really only effective if you say "oceanfront property in Arizona".

Huge
09-08-2005, 10:03 AM
This saying is really only effective if you say "oceanfront property in Arizona".
It's implied. ;)

ComstockLode
09-08-2005, 11:59 AM
I thought this was joke for awhile. I love vince young and I love texas, but matt leinart is the best player in college football and will be a great QB in the NFL. This really isnt close.

Texas
09-08-2005, 07:34 PM
Yea thats what they said about Vinnie Testaverde

DomDavis
09-08-2005, 08:32 PM
I thought this was joke for awhile. I love vince young and I love texas, but matt leinart is the best player in college football and will be a great QB in the NFL. This really isnt close.

Lots of players could look like the "best player in college football" if they had the coaching, offensive line and skill position players available at USC (not to mention the soft Pac-10 defenses as well). I'm not saying he's not a good player, but I have some questions given his surrounding talent.

Corrosion
09-09-2005, 01:13 AM
I'm not saying he's not a good player, but I have some questions given his surrounding talent.


He may not even be the best player on his own team ..... :goodnight

TexansCanes
09-09-2005, 07:56 PM
The "lesser talent" might hold water if the difference in their records wasn't so vast. Think of it this way: No way in hell does Texas win the Rose Bowl if Reggie McNeal is the starting QB. That performance had very little to do with the talent surrounding him that game. And the thing is, he was doing that all year long and people just brushed it aside..."well yeah, look at all their talent".

you can't really make that statment because you don't know what he would have done in the rose bowl. i agree that he can't make some the runs that vince did, but who knows if mcneil would have been able to sit back and throw the ball around or scramble to get some time instead of just running the second a michigan player blitzed. if troy smith could beat them, then i think mcneil has just as good a shot.

Huge
09-09-2005, 10:14 PM
My statement is based off of performances from McNeal under similar situations. For an example, see the UT/A&M game from '04. Once Texas unleashed their defense on him in the 2nd half (one series McNeal was sacked on 3 consecutive plays), he was completely ineffective.

If you watched the Rose Bowl, most of the time Vince was making plays, he was under a lot of pressure. There's a pretty big myth about Texas having a great OL. The truth is, they're a great run blocking OL. But they are just above average in pass blocking.

It's not always about Vince "making runs". He's able to buy himself time by making people miss even when he's still in the pocket. He's completed passes with people hanging on him (see the Roy Williams clip that is posted on this board for proof). Those are plays that Reggie doesn't make. That is a statement I can make because there is physical proof that shows it.

Now if you put Reggie behind a good passing OL and he's on, he will pick you apart. But there are a lot of QBs that can do that. How many can do what Young does?

Huge
09-10-2005, 07:35 AM
Write this down: Reggie will be a better pro quarterback than Vince Young.
I already have. If you scroll up (may have to go to the first page), you'll see I posted the same thing some time ago.

But do you think this makes him the better college QB as well?

kbourda
09-10-2005, 10:54 PM
I already have. If you scroll up (may have to go to the first page), you'll see I posted the same thing some time ago.

But do you think this makes him the better college QB as well?

You sure about that? :)

kbourda
09-10-2005, 10:55 PM
Matt is a much better QB than Vince. :goodnight
And are you sure about that? :)

Corrosion
09-10-2005, 11:04 PM
Can the poll be restarted .... I'd like to see the what people think after this Texas - Ohio game

kbourda
09-10-2005, 11:06 PM
Can the poll be restarted .... I'd like to see the what people think after this Texas - Ohio game

I concur!

run-david-run
09-10-2005, 11:36 PM
I, personally, like QBs that can pass.

So do I, so I;m picking Young. See tonight's game for referance...

Corrosion
09-10-2005, 11:41 PM
So do I, so I;m picking Young. See tonight's game for referance...



Young and UT sure didnt beat Ohio on his legs .... It was his arm that made ALL the big plays on the offensive side of the ball . The Ohio defense solved Youngs ground game after the first quarter and MADE him beat them thru the AIR ......He did just that , im convinced Vince is the best player in the country at his position . :tv:

BuffSoldier
09-11-2005, 12:45 AM
after todays game, i wish to change my vote to VINCEanity. :ok:

Huge
09-11-2005, 08:48 AM
But, but, but what about Reggie McNeal!?!?!?

Panther5407
09-11-2005, 05:57 PM
But, but, but what about Reggie McNeal!?!?!?

Ya, he didnt play this weekend. I thought it'd be obovious but I guess not. It's kinda hard to put up stats when there is no game.

Elite
09-11-2005, 07:08 PM
Matt Lionheart for sure he is going to look awsome in a texans uniform. well i hope its time or us to have a real qb.

Huge
09-11-2005, 07:42 PM
I guess when the Ags play SMU next week we'll have a better comparison. :rolleyes:

Vinny
09-14-2005, 12:47 PM
I had to ban a user so this thread (and a few others on this topic) is probably a bit disjointed (nobody is talking to themselves here). This was his 4th user account so strike 5 and you are out I guess. He was actually posting as two different members in this thread (among others) as well.

fwiw when you get banned your entire post history gets the heave ho with you. It's been a great deterrent.

Sorry for the inconvenience.

kbourda
09-14-2005, 09:49 PM
I had to ban a user so this thread (and a few others on this topic) is probably a bit disjointed (nobody is talking to themselves here). This was his 4th user account so strike 5 and you are out I guess. He was actually posting as two different members in this thread (among others) as well.

fwiw when you get banned your entire post history gets the heave ho with you. It's been a great deterrent.

Sorry for the inconvenience.

I'll bet you I know who it was. I think that guy had the nerve to make a complaint about me (though I admit it was credible) to another mod. Good job.

Panther5407
09-14-2005, 10:09 PM
I guess when the Ags play SMU next week we'll have a better comparison. :rolleyes:

What do you have against the aggies this bad? I'm just a wondering because it seems like you always try to bash them in every way. I'm not trying to start a war here, I just want to make that clear. Your a good poster on this board, just wanted to clear up on why the ags are nothing to you.

kbourda
09-14-2005, 10:17 PM
What do you have against the aggies this bad? I'm just a wondering because it seems like you always try to bash them in every way. I'm not trying to start a war here, I just want to make that clear. Your a good poster on this board, just wanted to clear up on why the ags are nothing to you.

I can speak for him, he is very pro-Ags.

Huge
09-15-2005, 08:38 AM
What do you have against the aggies this bad? I'm just a wondering because it seems like you always try to bash them in every way. I'm not trying to start a war here, I just want to make that clear. Your a good poster on this board, just wanted to clear up on why the ags are nothing to you.
I don't understand where you get the idea A&M "is nothing" to me. They're a highly respected academic institution from my home state. I have a lot of friends that are alumns.

When I was a kid, a group of Aggies called "Aggies for Christ" would come to my church for one weekend a year. Each Aggie would be hosted by volunteer families that would take them in for the weekend. So my first impression of them was very favorable. However it came after a family vacation to Austin which got me "hooked" on the Longhorns. :)

As far as "bashing them in every way", where have you seen this? Have I made a post that says "so and so from A&M sucks"? I don't think I have. I believe I've posted, more than once on this thread, that as of now McNeal is a better NFL QB prospect than Young.

Claiming that Reggie McNeal is not a better college QB than Vince Young is not bashing Reggie McNeal. Not everybody can be one of the top players in the country. IMO, Vince Young is...Reggie McNeal is not (although he has a ton of ability and I've given him credit for that). The Aggies may not like that I have a ton of evidence that supports my opinion and that it's shared with a large majority of the country. But again, that's not bashing anybody.

Panther5407
09-15-2005, 03:00 PM
I guess when the Ags play SMU next week we'll have a better comparison. :rolleyes:

I have to be confused then. What did this mean?