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Texas
08-30-2005, 11:20 AM
What Quarterback Will David Carr Turn Out To Be Similar To In His Prime?

Errant Hothy
08-30-2005, 11:51 AM
Whats with the choices, they have all won Super Bowls and all but one is a lock for the Hall of Fame. Give me a SB win, and it's all good.

It like this poll

"Whats your favorite color"

1. Midnight blue
2. Navy Blue
3. Purple
4. Royal Blue

Reddevil63
08-30-2005, 11:53 AM
I hope David Carr turns out to be like David Carr, he doesnt have to be in the mold of anybody else to be a great QB.

bckey
08-30-2005, 11:53 AM
Cody Carlson



I'm adding this line to let the easily offended "True Fans" know that I am joking.

MYDAUGHTER'STEXANS
08-31-2005, 11:27 AM
Hopefully he will not turn out to be Tim Couch, after watching him on Saturday with two picks.

El Tejano
08-31-2005, 11:56 AM
Last years game against Minnesota really gave a resemblence of John Elway. Still getting up after being hit hard, bringing the team from behind 21-0 and pushing OT. The only difference was we didn't come away with the win.

GoPats
08-31-2005, 03:23 PM
I think if Carr turns out to be like any of those guys you should be happy about it. You're definitely setting the bar pretty high with those choices! Granted, Warner's not the player he was a few years ago, but you're still talking about a former MVP and a guy who chased a few single-season passing records...

Huge
08-31-2005, 03:39 PM
E. None of the above.

dalemurphy
08-31-2005, 03:52 PM
Troy Aikman's first three years:
G C ATT C% YDS Y/A TD INT
1989 dal | 11 | 155 293 52.9 1749 6.0 9 18
1990 dal | 15 | 226 399 56.6 2579 6.5 11 18
1991 dal | 12 | 237 363 65.3 2754 7.6 11 10


David Carr's first three years:
G C ATT C% YDS Y/A TD INT
2002 hou | 16 | 233 444 52.5 2592 5.8 9 15
2003 hou | 12 | 167 295 56.6 2013 6.8 9 13
2004 hou | 16 | 285 466 61.2 3531 7.6 16 14

ArlingtonTexan
08-31-2005, 04:48 PM
Troy Aikman's first three years:
G C ATT C% YDS Y/A TD INT
1989 dal | 11 | 155 293 52.9 1749 6.0 9 18
1990 dal | 15 | 226 399 56.6 2579 6.5 11 18
1991 dal | 12 | 237 363 65.3 2754 7.6 11 10


David Carr's first three years:
G C ATT C% YDS Y/A TD INT
2002 hou | 16 | 233 444 52.5 2592 5.8 9 15
2003 hou | 12 | 167 295 56.6 2013 6.8 9 13
2004 hou | 16 | 285 466 61.2 3531 7.6 16 14

There is always another side

Tim Couch

1999 cle | 15 | 223 399 55.9 2447 6.1 15 13 | 39 278 1 |
| 2000 cle | 7 | 137 215 63.7 1483 6.9 7 9 | 12 45 0 |
| 2001 cle | 16 | 272 454 59.9 3040 6.7 17 21 | 38 128 0 |
| 2002 cle | 14 | 273 443 61.6 2842 6.4 18 18 | 23 77 0 |
| 2003 cle | 10 | 120 203 59.1 1319 6.5 7 6 | 11 39 1 |
+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+
| TOTAL | 62 | 1025 1714 59.8 11131 6.5 64 67 |

wags
08-31-2005, 04:51 PM
Couch's third year certainly wasn't as good as Carr's.

ArlingtonTexan
08-31-2005, 04:58 PM
Couch's third year certainly wasn't as good as Carr's.

and Carr's first two years were not as good as Couch's...you see what you want to when you pull this type of stuff up. That's really my only point.

Edit: Also not posted on Troy versus David...the biggest stat of them all.

year 1 1/15 versus 4/12
2 7/9 versus 5/11
3 11/5 versus 7/9

dalemurphy
08-31-2005, 05:22 PM
and Carr's first two years were not as good as Couch's...you see what you want to when you pull this type of stuff up. That's really my only point.

Edit: Also not posted on Troy versus David...the biggest stat of them all.

year 1 1/15 versus 4/12
2 7/9 versus 5/11
3 11/5 versus 7/9

not true, actually... in year three, Troy was injured during the 11th game... They were 5-5... Then, Steve Buerline came in and played the rest of the season, winning that game and the next 5 following.

Regarding Couch, his statistics drive home my point. You are looking for improvement. A young quarterback should continue to progress each of his first 4 or so years. The fact that Couch regressed in his third year was an indication of trouble. Carr, like Aikman, has taken significant steps forward each of his three seasons.

ArlingtonTexan
08-31-2005, 09:36 PM
Actually the third year is often a big year in the jump of a QB. I pulled it up awhile back, and don't want to it again, but guys like Brooks and Hasselbeck (who i often compare Carr to) jumped in QB rating from the high 70s/low 80s to like high 80s in the third year starting.

While I think the Troy aikman comparison interesting, it is flawed as an example to point to the fact that the numbers are similar, so the 2nd person is on a similiar track.

Youngstown Colt
08-31-2005, 09:59 PM
Couch's third year certainly wasn't as good as Carr's.But I believe he went to the playoffs

Lucky
08-31-2005, 10:13 PM
And it was Kelly Holcomb who took the Browns to the playoffs, not Couch.

wags
08-31-2005, 10:18 PM
But I believe he went to the playoffs

Is that right? I thought Couch went to the playoffs last year....oh wait..uh nevermind.

I think Carr is going to be fine and you know what, I can't prove it. He has to do it on the field in the next ten years. Believe in him, don't believe in him, or just watch. I agree with AT when he says you can pull what you want to out of comparisons. It's just nice to be able to say "you know what, this guy struggled early and he turned out alright." I think it just adds a little perspective for people who think everyone should be Ben Roethlisberger.

Hervoyel
08-31-2005, 11:01 PM
Regarding Couch, his statistics drive home my point. You are looking for improvement. A young quarterback should continue to progress each of his first 4 or so years. The fact that Couch regressed in his third year was an indication of trouble. Carr, like Aikman, has taken significant steps forward each of his three seasons.


I know I'm in the minority on this but I don't consider Couch's third year stats to be an indication that there was something wrong with him. I think they demonstrate that there was something wrong in Cleveland. I maintain that there are few QB's who could have been put in that situation and been successful.

And I still think that, assuming his shoulder can be repaired (and we all know how that can go) he has a place in the NFL. The best thing that could happen to Tim Couch IMO if he can regain his health would be the "Steve Young Plan". He needs to go sit behind someone for a little while and learn that teams offense inside and out. Then he could slide into the starting role a few years from now and quite likely excel. It's a shame his shoulder was so torn up because Green Bay would have been perfect for him. He would have probably sat behind Favre for two or three years, maybe four.

bcwray
09-01-2005, 12:36 AM
Whats with the choices, they have all won Super Bowls and all but one is a lock for the Hall of Fame. Give me a SB win, and it's all good.

It like this poll

"Whats your favorite color"

1. Midnight blue
2. Navy Blue
3. Purple
4. Royal Blue
exactly
I dont think carr will ever get to the super bowl.
i voted kurt warner, hopefully carr will be around longer than kurt

Youngstown Colt
09-01-2005, 12:37 AM
And it was Kelly Holcomb who took the Browns to the playoffs, not Couch.As a long time browns fan, I must say you are wrong on that subject. Timmy was the one who won the big games.

Knock Timmy all you want, and try to give Holcomb the credit, but he took the Browns to the playoffs.

EDIT: And it was the 4th year, my bad.

ROYDESTROY
09-01-2005, 03:12 AM
E. None of the above.

Yep..Carr has not demonstrated this type of skill yet on any level..time will tell :pigfly: