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the wonger need food
08-29-2005, 03:23 PM
So we've got to get down to 65 tomorrow minus NFLE exemptions. I believe we have 7 here so it would really be 72, I guess. Either way, who will be the surprise cuts? Personally, I see two 2nd stringers getting a pink slip, out of courtesy so that they can get some reps in and maybe catch on with another team... Billy Miller and Lewis Sanders.

Maybe Hollings gets a courtesy boot as well. Hopefully the front office will own up to their mistake on this one and not keep him around for another season.

That last receiver spot is gonna be a tough decision on Sept. 2. From what I can tell, Sloan Thomas has played his way ahead of Starling and Kasper.

Grid
08-29-2005, 03:24 PM
we have a sharp drop in talent at CB behind Faggins. I think we may hold onto Sanders for a bit longer.

Marcus
08-29-2005, 03:29 PM
From what I can tell, Sloan Thomas has played his way ahead of Starling and Kasper.

Miracles never cease. I actually do agree with you about something. ;)

El Tejano
08-29-2005, 03:29 PM
I keep these receivers. Johnson, Gaff, Bradford, Armstrong, Mathis, Swinton, Thomas. I get rid of Baxter, Hollings, and a TE to make room for that to be possible.

the wonger need food
08-29-2005, 03:31 PM
Miracles never cease. I actually do agree with you about something. ;)

It won't be the last time...

Grid
08-29-2005, 03:32 PM
if we would cut bradford off that list.. it would be alot easier to fit those 6 on the roster.

ATX
08-29-2005, 03:33 PM
I'm thinking we have to keep 3 TEs to run our offense effectively. How many times do we line up with 2 TEs, what if one of them gets hurt, than we only have 1 TE, and can't run that formation. Murphy, Miller, Bruener

Marcus
08-29-2005, 03:33 PM
I keep these receivers. Johnson, Gaff, Bradford, Armstrong, Mathis, Swinton, Thomas. I get rid of Baxter, Hollings, and a TE to make room for that to be possible.

7 wide receivers? :whew I agree with that also, but I serously doubt Capers will go for it.

the wonger need food
08-29-2005, 03:41 PM
I get rid of Baxter, Hollings, and a TE to make room for that to be possible.

That's the beauty of Wells being able to play RB and FB. He provides depth at both positions and allows 2 roster spots for the price of one.

the wonger need food
08-29-2005, 03:50 PM
The rosters should be expanded in the next CBA. 60 seems like a more reasonable number than 53 with all of the injuries.

Exascor
08-29-2005, 04:08 PM
Love the new avatar wonger.

the wonger need food
08-29-2005, 04:11 PM
Love the new avatar wonger.

Thanks. I've got way too much time on my hands today.

Dime
08-29-2005, 04:18 PM
That's the beauty of Wells being able to play RB and FB. He provides depth at both positions and allows 2 roster spots for the price of one.



Ummmm your wrong.. hehe its also special teams player... 3 for the price of 1

the wonger need food
08-29-2005, 04:24 PM
Ummmm your wrong.. hehe its also special teams player... 3 for the price of 1

Oh yeah... Sweet!!!

Vinny
08-29-2005, 04:31 PM
I just heard Billy Miller was cut.

False Start
08-29-2005, 04:42 PM
I just heard Billy Miller was cut.
:evilb:

infantrycak
08-29-2005, 04:43 PM
Laterrance Dunbar also was cut according to 610 am.

TEXANS84
08-29-2005, 04:50 PM
Thats too bad about Billy, if only he could block....

JSlat6
08-29-2005, 04:51 PM
Hate to say it but we need to get rid of Tony Banks.. Give Ragnone a chance to play.

TEXANS84
08-29-2005, 04:55 PM
Hate to say it but we need to get rid of Tony Banks.. Give Ragnone a chance to play.

And have BJ Symons as the #3? No thanks.

PapaL
08-29-2005, 05:03 PM
WR Dunbar also cut - 610am.

GP
08-29-2005, 05:16 PM
I really like El Tejano's take on the WRs and how to make it work.

I completely agree with his list of WRs.

(1) Sloan Thomas has proved he can hold onto the ball and make some good yards-after-catch. (2) Mathis is a no-brainer because of his WR/KR ability. (3) Swinton is reliable in the WR/KR positions, as well. The mainstays of (4) AJ, (5) Bradford and (6) Gaff are expected.

My only dillema is between Armstrong and Starling. Too bad Kasper didn't come to us last year. He's got a future due to his toughness. Reminds me a lot of a Wayne Chrebet-type of WR.

We don't need three TEs. We don't even throw to ONE of them anyways. I'd like to see us run 5 WRs out there like the old run-and-shoot days. Could you imagine us trotting onto the field AJ, Bradford, Gaffney, Mathis, and Swinton? That'd get a defensive coordinator's attention!

Corrosion
08-29-2005, 05:19 PM
I really like El Tejano's take on the WRs and how to make it work.

I completely agree with his list of WRs.

(1) Sloan Thomas has proved he can hold onto the ball and make some good yards-after-catch. (2) Mathis is a no-brainer because of his WR/KR ability. (3) Swinton is reliable in the WR/KR positions, as well. The mainstays of (4) AJ, (5) Bradford and (6) Gaff are expected.

My only dillema is between Armstrong and Starling. Too bad Kasper didn't come to us last year. He's got a future due to his toughness. Reminds me a lot of a Wayne Chrebet-type of WR.

We don't need three TEs. We don't even throw to ONE of them anyways. I'd like to see us run 5 WRs out there like the old run-and-shoot days. Could you imagine us trotting onto the field AJ, Bradford, Gaffney, Mathis, and Swinton? That'd get a defensive coordinator's attention!


I like the list of WR's too ..... Thomas has earned a spot on the roster , Mathis and Swinton both have value as reciever and Kr/Pr .


As for running out w/ 5 WR's ..... NOT in this lifetime with that O-line ! :tomato:

Dime
08-29-2005, 05:23 PM
This is probably a dumb stupid question, but I really dont know.

Can we take one of our wideout and use him more at TE? Like a Kasper?

Corrosion
08-29-2005, 05:27 PM
This is probably a dumb stupid question, but I really dont know.

Can we take one of our wideout and use him more at TE? Like a Kasper?


I think a LB would see time at TE before a WR . Probably Wong in this case .

clandestin
08-29-2005, 06:18 PM
Few more cuts as reported by Caper's on 790:

chris johnson
Kevin casper
devin pitts
corey spears
jason anderson
kendrick starling

There were a few more scrubs that I didn't catch.

rmartin65
08-29-2005, 06:22 PM
not suprised yet

the wonger need food
08-29-2005, 06:26 PM
Sears is a mild surprise.

Kasper and Starling should catch on somewhere. Are you sure Donovan Morgan wasn't in there somewhere?

Looks like Sloan has made the team.

rmartin65
08-29-2005, 06:27 PM
oh, yea, sloan has to be in. he's having a heck of a preseason

William.carter
08-29-2005, 06:48 PM
we have a sharp drop in talent at CB behind Faggins. I think we may hold onto Sanders for a bit longer.
Don't forget that Simmons can play corner and both safety spots effectively giving us extra depth there too for the price of 1 roster spot.

ledzeppelin229
08-29-2005, 06:50 PM
Sears is a mild surprise.

Kasper and Starling should catch on somewhere. Are you sure Donovan Morgan wasn't in there somewhere?

Looks like Sloan has made the team.

I'm guessing they're gonna give Morgan some more time since he just joined the team like a week ago. If Starling clears waivers, is he still PS eligible? Morgan will likely end up on the PS as well when its all said and done.

I'm surprised Corey Sears was cut, too. But I guess with Payne, Smith, Walker, Deloach, TJ, and Ioane we currently have better options.

infantrycak
08-29-2005, 06:56 PM
If Starling clears waivers, is he still PS eligible?

I think Starling was only active for 8 games last year so he is still eligible--9 is the cut-off.

the wonger need food
08-29-2005, 07:40 PM
Here's the official list...

Texans Make Roster Moves (http://houstontexans.com/news/news_detail.php?PRKey=1897)

That leaves 3 to be cut tomorrow.

texan279
08-29-2005, 08:25 PM
Corey Sears was cut? Wow...

TopTexanFan16
08-29-2005, 08:33 PM
i dont know about yall but i really liked kevin kasper....but we have alot of talent at wide reciever now so i guess everyone else beat him out, still thought he woulda done great for us though especially as a special teamer.

Corrosion
08-29-2005, 08:36 PM
The only real surprise is Sears , i would wager he'll catch on somewhere .

rmartin65
08-29-2005, 08:38 PM
i was more suprised by kasper being cut...

TopTexanFan16
08-29-2005, 08:40 PM
i was more suprised by kasper being cut...

yea same i would have rather liked to see this morgan guy or w/e play before they cut Kasper.

aj.
08-29-2005, 08:45 PM
Sears' fate was sealed on draft day and there's a reason Kasper has been with four teams in five seasons. He is to the offense what Jason Bell is to the defense. Don't be surprised when McKenzie beats out Bell for the last CB spot.

rmartin65
08-29-2005, 08:53 PM
so, who is the next 3 cut?

ArlingtonTexan
08-29-2005, 09:03 PM
Sears' fate was sealed on draft day and there's a reason Kasper has been with four teams in five seasons. He is to the offense what Jason Bell is to the defense. Don't be surprised when McKenzie beats out Bell for the last CB spot.

Jason Bell is in the league because of his ability as gunner and overall ST play. If the decision was based on his ability at corner he would have been gone long ago. I would not be surprised by his cut, but I won't bet against him making the final 53 again.

dalemurphy
08-29-2005, 09:15 PM
I really believe Bradford will be/ should be cut.

WRs: AJ, Gaffney, Armstrong, Mathis, SThomas, Swinton. with those 6, what purpose does he serve?

plus, no cap hit and no untapped potential.

aj.
08-29-2005, 09:22 PM
Jason Bell is in the league because of his ability as gunner and overall ST play. If the decision was based on his ability at corner he would have been gone long ago. Yes, that's common knowledge and I thought that would come across in the Kasper-Bell analogy. Oh well...

ledzeppelin229
08-29-2005, 09:26 PM
Sears' fate was sealed on draft day and there's a reason Kasper has been with four teams in five seasons. He is to the offense what Jason Bell is to the defense. Don't be surprised when McKenzie beats out Bell for the last CB spot.

How serious was that hamstring injury to McKenzie? Was it just a tweak? I was mainly wondering since we haven't seen him since the Broncos game. Any word on if he will play against TB?

thegr8fan
08-29-2005, 09:30 PM
the collective conscious of this board we are the BORG, prepare to be assimulated. :rolleyes:

only ones on that list that even are worth mentioning are Sears and Kasper, IMHO. The rest were 'cannon fodder' before training camp even began.

And I am all for Bradford NOT being on the final 53 roster.

aj.
08-29-2005, 09:42 PM
How serious was that hamstring injury to McKenzie? Was it just a tweak? I was mainly wondering since we haven't seen him since the Broncos game. Any word on if he will play against TB? Capers said he would be back "doing some things" in practice today, so that doesn't sound like a ringing endorsement of him being able to play Thursday. His injury is definitely working against him at this point.

Hervoyel
08-29-2005, 11:36 PM
I'm surprised Corey Sears was cut, too. But I guess with Payne, Smith, Walker, Deloach, TJ, and Ioane we currently have better options.

I think that's it exactly. A couple of years ago we were hearing about how Corey Sears was coming along and turning into a real asset behind our starters but I think he plateaued at some point and now in 2005 we've got a somewhat better grade of "quality depth" than we did back then.

I guess Ioane continues to get better or maybe he's hit his peak too but he's better than Sears. In the first couple of years we brought in so many guys and almost all of them were just placeholders for future Texans. We had time to watch projects grow. There will be less of that from here on out.

El Tejano
08-29-2005, 11:47 PM
Anybody think Zeke Moreno will make the team?

William.carter
08-30-2005, 12:20 AM
Hervoyel:

Totally unrelated to this thread, but I have to say I love your avatar.

Ibar_Harry
08-30-2005, 01:48 AM
Why we kept Bradford over Kasper I will never figure out. Kasper has hands and Bradford doesn't. Kasper was the talk of the camp based on some of his catches. I still think Swinton got lucky and made the big return. Without that I think Starling continues to be in the line up. Well, we all have favorites and some win and some don't. The truth is this ball club is going to have a difficult time this year.

We've kept more than we can because of the overseas connection. In reality they have to cut quite a few more and its going to be interesting to see who remains.

The backfield will be desimated before this is over in order to keep Capers defense stalked with plenty of players. In fact I think we will be lucky if Capers keeps any offensive players. He really doesn't need an offense anyway. All he has to due is down it 3 times(translation - run the ball 3 times) and then punt it. He will then hold the other team to 3 and out and then we will return the punt with our special teams as that is his true plan for our offense this year. Should the other team score we will then use our kickoff unit to return the ball and restore our lead....................

:embarrass: :drool: :bomb: :goodnight

ATX
08-30-2005, 04:13 AM
I still think Swinton got lucky and made the big return. Without that I think Starling continues to be in the line up.


Ibar, Swinton also had another big return in the denver game. returned it for about 40-50 yards. what has Starling done really? We have plenty of gunners for Starling to be cut, that's what happened.

beerlover
08-30-2005, 04:44 AM
I expect Joppru, Hollings or Bradford will take the cake in the next string of cuts

Can they cut Joppru & if so does this save them some extra cap room?

Anyone else think the Tampa game is make or break for Hollings? Davis is probably out so he should get the bulk of the carries along with Morency.

I think the Texans will keep Bradford, too much speed, depth & experience.

HJam72
08-30-2005, 04:50 AM
They'll cut Joppru (I would too) and then he'll be a pro bowler for someone else next year (sigh). :brickwall

I think Hollings is going to have to play like a mad man to keep his job. I've never seen a Texans RB do as well in one game as he should have to do to keep it Thursday. He'll have to make up for doing nothing since he came to this team. Funny, I read an old post of mine stating that I wanted them to start him after DD had all those fumbles the first 2 games last year. Guess I just wanted to see anybody else at that point. Oh well.

TexanAggie
08-30-2005, 07:26 AM
Hate to say it but we need to get rid of Tony Banks.. Give Ragnone a chance to play.


Yeah but Banks is a PROVEN back-up how quickly people forget when Carr got hurt.....

Ragone is only proven in NFL Europe!!!! Far cry from NFL

I see Ragone trying to go to another NFL team as a Starter.....

I hated to see Miller go but, he couldnt block to save his life and in this offense they need to block. I wish they would throw some more to the TE and FB.....

I still cant see why Joppru is around he has been hurt more than he has been on the field he needs to go oh and HOLLINGS Goodbye Plz Plz plz He is the Matt Stevens of the offense.........

texasguy346
08-30-2005, 08:38 AM
I think the Texans will keep Bradford, too much speed, depth & experience.

I agree that I think the Texans will keep Bradford, but I think it will be due more to his experience in the system. This would likely mean that Sloan Thomas wouldn't make the team despite a good showing this preseason. I'd imagine he'd get picked up by another team if he were to be cut.

Swinton deserved to make the team. I absolultely love what Starling brings to the table, but I think he deserved to be cut. He's great on special teams, but he just hasn't shown to be as reliable a receiver as the guys ahead of him in the preseason. Mathis brings alot of the same attributes that Starling brings, but he he's shown that he can return kicks and possibly punts as well as be a good receiver for Carr.

ArlingtonTexan
08-30-2005, 08:58 AM
Yes, that's common knowledge and I thought that would come across in the Kasper-Bell analogy. Oh well...

That may have been my error, not yours.

For those on Kasper,

Seems like a hard nosed guy with good straighline speed and a solid ST player. Problem for him as the 5th or 6th Wr is he not a better returner than Swinton, and Mathis has more potential as WR. As a guy who is primarily ST player, the Texans already have a handful of those guys who they are more familiar with. IMO, He was released now so that he has a realistic chance.

Diehardtexan
08-30-2005, 10:26 AM
Kasper was the best down field blocker out of all the WRs we have. I thought he was going to make the team.

William.carter
08-30-2005, 12:07 PM
Kasper was the best down field blocker out of all the WRs we have. I thought he was going to make the team.

I have to agree with you on the blocking and his special teams was pretty outstanding. Speed on punt coverage was impressive. But considering the depth we have at WR this season and the quality and potential of actual receivers left, he still fell too low on the depth chart to keep him for his ST abilities alone. We have a solid core of ST guys already that are only improving.

ArlingtonTexan
08-30-2005, 12:09 PM
Kasper was the best down field blocker out of all the WRs we have. I thought he was going to make the team.

I keep seeing stuff where Kasper had great hands or was the best this or that. Dude played about 3 or 4 quarters in 3 preseason games. AJ is consider one of the best down field blockers in the NFL and now Kevin Kasper is better than him. Kasper can't be the best WR in any area on this team w/o playing in real football games. He is a career journeyman 4 teams 5 years. Two of those teams were really bad (49ers and Cardinals).

Not w/o some talent but not enough to be a real NFL difference maker.

edo783
08-30-2005, 01:14 PM
I suspect it was a rather close call on Kasper. Lots of good things, just not enough.

z0rpAn
08-30-2005, 01:46 PM
well one thing I can say atm about our cutting of WRs, when one of the ones we keep turns out to be horrible we will all be reading, "stupid front office, we should have kept kasper/starling" or whichever of the WRs get cut in the end.

Joppru, if there is a IR list for NFL teams, this is where he is going or the PS, since he has yet to play a down.

Starling, possibly the practice squad again this year, maybe if he gets a QB throwing good to throw to him next season, we can all see how far he's come. Even though its been a year since last preseason, I'm still impressed with him from last year.

Bradford, in full concept (IMO), he should be cut due to his cost and the fact that we have Mathis/S.T. right up there with the same overall average of abilities. I don't have any references on his cost, but the only one that would be getting more money than him atm would be A.J.

Donovan Morgan, will definantly go to the P.S. seeing how he hasn't had the time with the team to prove himself.

I can see after this year, if we play all our WRs and they have solid seasons as backups, that they request a trade or more $$. The WR turnout was great this year, but if they all perform as we hope for them to, we wont have the same core due to the salary cap.

erickwsmom
08-30-2005, 04:21 PM
Jarrod Baxter and Garrick Jones were cut. Joppru was placed on the PUP list.

So we're down to 75.

Cheroqui
08-30-2005, 08:19 PM
Does anyone think we should have kept #17 Kendrick Starling? I thought he did pretty good last year. With Dre, Mathis, Sloan T., and Starling I thought that might make for an nice 4 Wide package. No?

Grid
08-30-2005, 08:48 PM
you cant keep everyone.. and im happy with the guys we kept.

Thomas especially I am getting excited about.

V Man
08-30-2005, 08:52 PM
With them cutting Sears today, it wouldn't suprise me if Junior Ioane is in the next round of cuts. Jason Davis has been very active during the preseason, plus Sears and Ioane have on the team for several years and when were we ever know for getting pressure on the QB with them. Why not see what the rook can do, it seems he has a good motor. I also see them placing Alfred Malone on the PS this year.

Grid
08-30-2005, 08:53 PM
I think there is going to be room for Ioane and Jason Davis.

if im not mistaken.. Ioane plays RDE.. and Davis plays NT.

V Man
08-30-2005, 10:03 PM
I think there is going to be room for Ioane and Jason Davis.

if im not mistaken.. Ioane plays RDE.. and Davis plays NT.

Ioane is listed as a DT, and has been Payne's back-up.

Grid
08-31-2005, 02:29 AM
Ioane is listed as a DT, and has been Payne's back-up.


On our depth chart Ioane is listed as second string behind Smith at RE.