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the wonger need food
08-29-2005, 01:57 PM
Interesting take on the game from the Cowboys perspective. Seems that they were determined to play some hard-nosed football while the Texans were more concerned with not getting hurt.

That was a beating out there... (http://lb.dallascowboys.com/news.cfm?id=FBC3238D-D57F-1496-F455DD127899CB0D)

Demon
08-29-2005, 02:07 PM
You know what? A preseason game is a practice game. Whatever. Let's see where we end in January.

HoustonHarley
08-29-2005, 04:44 PM
I use to Like Roy Jones...errrr Williams, despite being a Sooner and Cowboy. Those are two huge strikes against him in my book. After watching the game Saturday, he came off as an egotistical dirty player to me. It is fine to knock someones head off or attempt to while playing agressive D. It is dirty to get up and talk sh!t, walk on them or knee them in the head. I hope someone takes him out for that kind of crap with the same dirty sh!t that he does. Too bad it couldn't have happened the other night.

Double Barrel
08-29-2005, 05:09 PM
Man, waayyy too many people walking up to me today talking trash about the Texans over a freakin' preseason game! :mad:

"What happened to your Texans?"

"Man, the Cowboys really whooped up on your Texans!!"

"Your Texans looked like crap."

BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH

GP
08-29-2005, 05:23 PM
We DID look terrible. Period.

Fool yourself all you want. We looked awful, and I hope it doesn't continue into the regular season.

Almost 100% of all previous Super Bowl champs had a winning preseason.

the wonger need food
08-29-2005, 05:29 PM
Can't be 100% when the Patriots were 1-4 last year. They were talking smack about a pre-season game. That's lame.

Something like 14 out of the last 15 champions have had winning preseasons.

Winning begets winning. It's an attitude as much as it is talent or coaching.

U4ikrob
08-29-2005, 05:32 PM
Having tripped it up for the game this weekend in Dallas and going to watch it at Texas Stadium I figured I might get a better look at the team than what ive seen in practice or all this off-season. Ive been to several practices and both scrimmages with Broncos and Raiders so I figured this game with the starters playing the first half it would be a nice glimpse as to what we have to come.

Suffice to say - I was pretty dissapointed about the "Debacle in Dallas" this weekend. Fights[ multiple ], Penalties all over the place [several from the starters] not to mention the offense forgetting to show up at all and looking bad all night. Lack of focus is how I could best describe it. Dropped passes, missed coverages, broken plays, lost routes and never competing for the ball on any particular play. Hell AJ dropped his first 3 balls - all in his hands and took him several more attempts just to manage a paltry 35 yds on the day.

Was everybody having a bad day?? Was this a fluke game or more of a real measuring stick. Somebody better get this team to wake up.

If this is what Charlie, Dom and Co thinks will motivate the team and is what they are intending to put on the field in 2 weeks - I'm not impressed at all. I certainly hope they perform a whole lot better when the minutes count in 2 weeks against the Bills.

the wonger need food
08-29-2005, 06:04 PM
The point of this post is simple... even though it was a preseason game, the Cowboys' defense came out headhunting. That's how football is played, 90% attitude and the rest talent and coaching.

Let's look at the Patriots for example. They don't have the best talent in the NFL necessarily, but they strap up and come to play every game, be it preseason, regular season or post-season. They bring the wood coupled with the attitude and just win.

This team will not win until they learn how to impose their will on their opponent. There's too much of a "take what the opponent gives us" attitude... IMO.

DFAN
08-29-2005, 06:11 PM
Man, waayyy too many people walking up to me today talking trash about the Texans over a freakin' preseason game! :mad:

"What happened to your Texans?"

"Man, the Cowboys really whooped up on your Texans!!"

"Your Texans looked like crap."

BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH


Same thing was done to me last year when the Texans won the game. I actually had to leave a bar that night because it got so out of hand so don't act like Texans fans dont do the same.

As far as the original post. I saw interviews with Texans players before the game and they were hyped up to.

Tedc
08-29-2005, 06:13 PM
The Texans lost to a terrible Bengals team two years ago and to a Cleveland team that was going nowhere in last year's last game. They have had these games before. Let Dallas feel good about themselves.

This was thier Super Bowl, apparently, at least as close as they are going to get.

When they play a team that is on thier game and get behind, who is bringing them back? Bledsoe? That is when you will see the real Drew (INT) Bledsoe.

Double Barrel
08-29-2005, 06:36 PM
Same thing was done to me last year when the Texans won the game. I actually had to leave a bar that night because it got so out of hand so don't act like Texans fans dont do the same.

ummm, and booze had absolutely nothing to do with it, either. :listening

Thank you, Brando, for posting some sense into this thread.

While I wouldn't mind seeing our team win everytime, getting worked up over a meaningless game is an exorcise in futility.

Talk to me on September 12. :texflag:

Wolf
08-29-2005, 06:41 PM
Doesn't phase me what he says.. I know we talk to the talk too at times. Even with Williams talking ,he backed it up (as he usually does).. I see nothing wrong with that. BTW it wasn't like they blew us out in the 1st half.

DFAN
08-29-2005, 07:22 PM
ummm, and booze had absolutely nothing to do with it, either. :listening

Thank you, Brando, for posting some sense into this thread.

While I wouldn't mind seeing our team win everytime, getting worked up over a meaningless game is an exorcise in futility.

Talk to me on September 12. :texflag:


Yes the booze had a lot to do with it. Not the next day though. I still heard it the next day.

StarStruck
08-29-2005, 08:24 PM
Let Dallas feel good about themselves.

This was thier Super Bowl, apparently, at least as close as they are going to get.


Noooooo, and a thousand times no! If the game had any other meaning than an afternoon out at a preseason game and reunite with fellow fans, then the stadium would have been full. Good grief, it was hot! It was a nice game, good to see the Boyz and get Aaron Glenn's autograph (dang I didn't realize he was that small), and a nice way to get the excitement going for Sept. 11. Go Cowboys -- Go Texans!

Huge
08-29-2005, 09:53 PM
Let Dallas feel good about themselves.

This was thier Super Bowl, apparently, at least as close as they are going to get.
Our fans weren't the ones taking polls (http://www.houstontexans.com/fan_zone/messageboards/showthread.php?t=11443) on whether or not our head coach should go after our pre-season loss to Arizona.

And seeing how 26% says he should go, you can't really chalk it up to the ramblings of one fan.

Texas_Heat
08-29-2005, 09:57 PM
I was pissed at the way they played in that game, but it was only a pre-season game and I had forgotten about it and moved on Till I got the same thing said to me

"What happened to your Texans?"

"Man, the Cowboys really whooped up on your Texans!!"

"Your Texans looked like crap."

I just had to laugh and think How far the Cowboys have fallen now their Fans get excited over pre-season wins.
:fans:

Tedc
08-29-2005, 10:17 PM
Our fans weren't the ones taking polls (http://www.houstontexans.com/fan_zone/messageboards/showthread.php?t=11443) on whether or not our head coach should go after our pre-season loss to Arizona.

And seeing how 26% says he should go, you can't really chalk it up to the ramblings of one fan.

I missed you in DullAss. I really wanted to meet you after all these years. If you are ever in H-Town, let me know.

SESupergenius
08-29-2005, 10:27 PM
The penalties and missed catches/aiming made this game pretty bad, and very hard to watch. I did however see a some very good things from the offense and defense the 1st couple of series. I was about to blow a gasket when I saw Banks come in however. I mean good grief, Carr and 1st string need to get on the same page and they are not getting enough reps to do it. They looked out of synch when they were put into long yardage positions.

the wonger need food
08-29-2005, 10:37 PM
I mean good grief, Carr and 1st string need to get on the same page and they are not getting enough reps to do it. They looked out of synch when they were put into long yardage positions.

This is something that I have not seen addressed. In every preseason game that I've watched so far the starting offenses have taken a lot more reps than the Texans'. God knows they need the work.

Considering that they play two of the NFL's best defenses in the first two games, this doesn't make much sense. I wouldn't be surprised to see them get off to a slow start offensively... again.

SESupergenius
08-29-2005, 11:39 PM
The positives i saw were no sacks on the 1st unit. Good running by DD and oline, open recievers and great special teams play. Defense held but then got torched by Bledsoe, but Peek showed he can step it up.

The negatives were penalties, obviously, panicy offense once they were put in long yardage, Seth Wand, Tony Hollings, Travis Johnson were all lame.

texasguy346
08-29-2005, 11:39 PM
I was about to blow a gasket when I saw Banks come in however. I mean good grief, Carr and 1st string need to get on the same page and they are not getting enough reps to do it. They looked out of synch when they were put into long yardage positions.

Definately agree with you on that. I would have liked to see Carr and the 1st team offense come out and play at least a series or two in the second half.

BigDTexansFan
08-30-2005, 12:28 AM
We DID look terrible. Period.

Fool yourself all you want. We looked awful, and I hope it doesn't continue into the regular season.

Almost 100% of all previous Super Bowl champs had a winning preseason.

NOT!!! most of Super Bowl teams have had losing seasons New England was 1-3 last season ansd yet they won it all...preaseason like a Cowboys team is OVERRATED.

BigDTexansFan
08-30-2005, 12:37 AM
Interesting take on the game from the Cowboys perspective. Seems that they were determined to play some hard-nosed football while the Texans were more concerned with not getting hurt.

That was a beating out there... (http://lb.dallascowboys.com/news.cfm?id=FBC3238D-D57F-1496-F455DD127899CB0D)

The Cowboys fans were doing that at halftime, I told one when he kept talking about the score told him "yeah a lot of teams win games at halftime"

here was my response to the so-called journalist

What you might want to do when regain your faculties is watch how Roy Williams got away with using his helmet as a WEAPON not once no not even twice but THREE times. Cowboys so proud during 3rd quarter break they went to commercial showing him using his helmet. Not to worry I advised Mike Periera to look @ the game film and look at Mr. Williams style of play. I guess since they won't let him break anymore legs he has to find a new way of playing dirty...oh well once a Sooner always a Sooner BTW with an offense that went 0-8 on crucial 3rd downs I would be more concerned with your O then running your mouth

dalemurphy
08-30-2005, 01:51 AM
Definately agree with you on that. I would have liked to see Carr and the 1st team offense come out and play at least a series or two in the second half.


Last year the offense underwent more change in the preseason: Wand, Wade, Pitts, Bruener, were all new or starting at new positions. In addition, we went to a different blocking scheme. Despite that, the 1st team offense was treated identically last preseason as they are this year. If you recall, the offense was dramatically better than in 2003... It was especially good the first 7 games- when Carr was among the league leaders in QB rating.

You'd be calling for coaches heads right now if Carr blew out his knee with 9 minutes to go in the third quarter.

Ibar_Harry
08-30-2005, 02:08 AM
NOT!!! most of Super Bowl teams have had losing seasons New England was 1-3 last season ansd yet they won it all...preaseason like a Cowboys team is OVERRATED.

Its not how many you won or lost in the preseason, its how you looked. In other words does it look like the team is coming together and gelling. I think in the case of the Texans the answer is no, except for 1 area and that is special teams. Yes, there have been penalties, but as a whole they our showing a lot of potential. You can not say that for the rest of the team. Right now, I would say our defense is in for a long year and so is the offense.

dalemurphy
08-30-2005, 02:23 AM
Its not how many you won or lost in the preseason, its how you looked. In other words does it look like the team is coming together and gelling. I think in the case of the Texans the answer is no, except for 1 area and that is special teams. Yes, there have been penalties, but as a whole they our showing a lot of potential. You can not say that for the rest of the team. Right now, I would say our defense is in for a long year and so is the offense.


You can't see the improvement in the running game? Weigert didn't play on Saturday and yet Davis had big holes to run through and there was no penetration. The first two preseason games, also, our run blocking was somewhere between good and dominant. You watch. We will have one of the 4 or 5 best rushing offenses in the NFL this year- barring significant injuries.

Defensively, we may struggle early. There's been a lot of change. However, I bet we finish the season ranked a lot higher than last year (23). It looks like our Dline is playing much better and it also looks like we have some better depth at S and at OLB.

For the same reason I mentioned with the defense, the passing game on offense may struggle early as well- a lot has changed: LT and also a philosophical change that Carr and the receivers need to adjust to. However, again, by midseason they'll be reaping the rewards for it. When Carr is healthy and not jittery because he's getting sacked 5 times a game, he'll finish as strong as he began last season. Plus, with the strength of the running game and the addition of JMathis, I'm looking forward to the dilemna other defenses will be facing against us:

1. put 8 in the box to slow down our run game?
2. rotate a S to double AJ?
3. rotate a S to double Mathis on those fly patterns?

WWJD
08-30-2005, 07:48 AM
The Cowboys fans were doing that at halftime, I told one when he kept talking about the score told him "yeah a lot of teams win games at halftime"

here was my response to the so-called journalist

What you might want to do when regain your faculties is watch how Roy Williams got away with using his helmet as a WEAPON not once no not even twice but THREE times. Cowboys so proud during 3rd quarter break they went to commercial showing him using his helmet. Not to worry I advised Mike Periera to look @ the game film and look at Mr. Williams style of play. I guess since they won't let him break anymore legs he has to find a new way of playing dirty...oh well once a Sooner always a Sooner BTW with an offense that went 0-8 on crucial 3rd downs I would be more concerned with your O then running your mouth


If the Cowboys waived Roy Williams today EVERY single team would be salivating trying to find a way to fit him on their team. The guy has amazing skills and he had the same skills at OU. I don't like the Sooners but I bet if you asked Mac he'd tell you he's thankful Roy is long gone.

Jagsbch
08-30-2005, 08:14 AM
Look we'll take care of Dallas for ya, nobody beats the crap out of our division rival and gets away with it. :ouch:

Corrosion
08-30-2005, 10:12 AM
Look we'll take care of Dallas for ya, nobody beats the crap out of our division rival and gets away with it. :ouch:


This actually made me laugh ..... Ladies , dont let no cowgirls whoop yer man :texans:

Diehardtexan
08-30-2005, 10:35 AM
The positives i saw were no sacks on the 1st unit.
Riley gave up a sack to their rookie Demarcus Ware..Riley is our starting LT.

SESupergenius
08-30-2005, 11:29 AM
I think the gameplanning against the Texans is too easy. Just look at what Dallas picked up on, rush 4-5 guys and back off everyone else. We can't seem to handle that. many teams used that against us last year, it's the cover 2's MO.

dalemurphy
08-30-2005, 11:29 AM
Riley gave up a sack to their rookie Demarcus Ware..Riley is our starting LT.

Ware tackled Carr as he ran to the line of scrimmage. Ware didn't have pressure on him and was blocked. When Carr ran forward, he left the protection of Riley's block. The play could easily have been scored a Carr run for 0 yards.

SESupergenius
08-30-2005, 11:53 AM
Riley gave up a sack to their rookie Demarcus Ware..Riley is our starting LT.Yea I don't really call that a sack either, Carr was right at the line of scrimmage and really was more a tackle behind the line of scrimmage than a sack. I always picture a sack where a defender gets the QB when he's behind his line, not when the QB is in front of it :penalty:

salinaspaul
08-30-2005, 12:09 PM
DFAN:

http://www.bluestarboys.com/Gallery/GTeague.jpg[img/]

Try typing "" instead of "[img/]" to close your image reference. That should make it work.

Although I've done that and still have trouble getting mine on...

Huge
08-30-2005, 03:04 PM
I missed you in DullAss. I really wanted to meet you after all these years. If you are ever in H-Town, let me know.
You were there!? Holy cow, man...speak up. I knew most of y'all were sitting in Section 4 but because I got there late (missed the tailgating...obviously) I waited 'till halftime to come over. I tried calling gr8t's cell phone then common sense set in on the chances of him even hearing it ring.

Next best solution: Look for Preston's helmet. Took me all of a minute to see him outside the ramp. Soon after, gr8t comes walking up. But alas, we only had a minute or two to chat before the 2nd half started up.

But I'm already making plans for the game next year (here or there).

texasguy346
08-30-2005, 05:00 PM
You'd be calling for coaches heads right now if Carr blew out his knee with 9 minutes to go in the third quarter.

Actually I wouldn't. I don't recall ever calling for the coaches head in any of my posts so I don't see where you get that from. Carr and the 1st teamers deserved a chance at redeeming themselves. Injuries go hand in hand with this game, but there's a balance. You've got to gauge the risk with the reward. IMO It would be worthwhile to make adjustments and allow the 1st team a series or two to correct their mistakes. Carr could have just as easily been injured on the first series of the game as the first series of the second half. With the way the OLine was protecting him against the Cowboys I don't see how an additional series or two would've been that much of a risk.

Texas
08-30-2005, 05:11 PM
This is all retarded. The simple fact is dallas won. Give them there credit. They played a good game and we played a ****ty one. We've won in the past and now it was there turn. Good luck to both dallas and houston this year. However Im on the houston side :texflag: We will see what happens in the regular season. My favorite quote which has been sad 413 times is the fact that it was a PRE-SEASON Game. Who knows if our starters could have came back or not. From what I remember last season we always started off slow but came back.

HowBoutThemCowboys!
08-30-2005, 06:04 PM
Interesting take on the game from the Cowboys perspective. Seems that they were determined to play some hard-nosed football while the Texans were more concerned with not getting hurt.

That was a beating out there... (http://lb.dallascowboys.com/news.cfm?id=FBC3238D-D57F-1496-F455DD127899CB0D)




They played to not get hurt? By playing like sissies and leaving yourself vulnerable to our hard hitting secondary? Nice logic.

Didn't we have like 6 good shots on your receivers/ tight ends?

Blake
08-30-2005, 06:44 PM
Didn't we have like 6 good shots on your receivers/ tight ends?

We? Dont you mean Dallas? Remember guy, you are not on the team, although you might fantasize about it.

HowBoutThemCowboys!
08-30-2005, 06:48 PM
although you might fantasize about it.

I do everday..... http://www.cowboys-forum.com/forum/images/cowboys_smilies/hammock.gif



http://www.cowboys-forum.com/forum/images/cowboys_smilies/toast_champ.gif

HowBoutThemCowboys!
08-30-2005, 06:53 PM
Then you would be playing in the halfway house we know as Texas Stadium. j/k :tv:

:texans:

ROFLKLMAO.

2009 my friend, 2009, that's all I can say....

http://www.stadiumguide.com/nfl/cowboysnew1.jpg

http://www.stadiumguide.com/nfl/cowboysnew4.jpg

http://www.stadiumguide.com/nfl/cowboysnew3.jpg

HowBoutThemCowboys!
08-30-2005, 07:02 PM
If you are trying to show me the pics they are not showing up. No need however I have seen it. Imitation is the finest form of flattery.
:)

It's not intimination... It's showing another guy after he made fun of Texas Stadium that we're going to have a kick @ss stadium in 2009. Easy. :)

Exascor
08-30-2005, 07:06 PM
He said "imitation" not intimidation. He was refering to the fact that the Cowboys new stadium is patterned after Reliant.

Exascor
08-30-2005, 07:07 PM
Brando beat me to the punch! :ok:

HowBoutThemCowboys!
08-30-2005, 07:13 PM
Not "intimidation", imitation(as in retractable roof).



Imitation? Jokes on you. The hole in the roof is evidence of an unfinished design. The original plan called for a retractable roof, which was quite a radical concept in the late 1960s. However, the idea was abandoned on the basis of engineering and financial problems. But the rest of the design was implemented, resulting in Texas Stadium as we know it.

Exascor
08-30-2005, 07:19 PM
The Cowboy's were the first to come up with the retractable roof concept.They came up with the concept of the forward pass as well right? :um:

TexansTrueFan
08-30-2005, 08:01 PM
They played to not get hurt? By playing like sissies and leaving yourself vulnerable to our hard hitting secondary? Nice logic.

Didn't we have like 6 good shots on your receivers/ tight ends?


on BACK up recievers/ tight ends. AJ took a medi ocra hit but that was about it. How you like your boy swinton by the way, looks to be an alright player.

TexansTrueFan
08-30-2005, 08:02 PM
It's not intimination... It's showing another guy after he made fun of Texas Stadium that we're going to have a kick @ss stadium in 2009. Easy. :)


we started the trend, sorry yall will just be one of many followers. :texflag:

TexansTrueFan
08-30-2005, 08:05 PM
Imitation? Jokes on you. The hole in the roof is evidence of an unfinished design. The original plan called for a retractable roof, which was quite a radical concept in the late 1960s. However, the idea was abandoned on the basis of engineering and financial problems. But the rest of the design was implemented, resulting in Texas Stadium as we know it.


i'm sure people hundreds of years ago dreamed about going to the moon, but noone will remember them cause they never did it. Just like yalls "1960s idea"

HowBoutThemCowboys!
08-30-2005, 08:12 PM
lol: Thats funny. Thats good to know. Thanks for the ammo.

OK, We were the first NFL team to actually finish building a retractable roof stadium. :tv:

Hey I'm just saying. It's not quite imitation.

It was the Cowboy's idea, and the alot of teams liked it, and used it for their stadium's 30 years later.

HowBoutThemCowboys!
08-30-2005, 10:53 PM
on BACK up recievers/ tight ends. AJ took a medi ocra hit but that was about it. How you like your boy swinton by the way, looks to be an alright player.

You can thank the Cowboys organization later. At least a former Cowboy scored for ya!


BTW, ask us about Swinton mid-season.

ROYDESTROY
09-01-2005, 04:22 AM
We DID look terrible. Period.

Fool yourself all you want. We looked awful, and I hope it doesn't continue into the regular season.

Almost 100% of all previous Super Bowl champs had a winning preseason.

This is an example of an honest fan :)

ROYDESTROY
09-01-2005, 04:23 AM
The point of this post is simple... even though it was a preseason game, the Cowboys' defense came out headhunting. That's how football is played, 90% attitude and the rest talent and coaching.

Let's look at the Patriots for example. They don't have the best talent in the NFL necessarily, but they strap up and come to play every game, be it preseason, regular season or post-season. They bring the wood coupled with the attitude and just win.

This team will not win until they learn how to impose their will on their opponent. There's too much of a "take what the opponent gives us" attitude... IMO.

Another honest fan..great post :)

ROYDESTROY
09-01-2005, 04:32 AM
I was pissed at the way they played in that game, but it was only a pre-season game and I had forgotten about it and moved on Till I got the same thing said to me

"What happened to your Texans?"

"Man, the Cowboys really whooped up on your Texans!!"

"Your Texans looked like crap."

I just had to laugh and think How far the Cowboys have fallen now their Fans get excited over pre-season wins.
:fans:

Actually, most Cowboys fans are excited about a defense finally, sure they will pick back at Texan fans but remember there really is no rivalry here to speak of at all. Most (though not all) Dallas fans are excited the team is finally showing signs of life after 8 years of poor decisions by Jerry.

So to be honest, most Cowboys fans are happy we are getting defensively aggressive and actually showing positive signs of development. The comments to Texan fans are primarily for good fun just like many Texan fans stuck it to the Dallas fans when they won as well.

If you have thick skin and are not a complete homer you will just say yes this time they won. Like it has been stated it is just a preseason game but to say it is totally meaningless is not accurate IMO.

ROYDESTROY
09-01-2005, 04:39 AM
The Cowboys fans were doing that at halftime, I told one when he kept talking about the score told him "yeah a lot of teams win games at halftime"

here was my response to the so-called journalist

What you might want to do when regain your faculties is watch how Roy Williams got away with using his helmet as a WEAPON not once no not even twice but THREE times. Cowboys so proud during 3rd quarter break they went to commercial showing him using his helmet. Not to worry I advised Mike Periera to look @ the game film and look at Mr. Williams style of play. I guess since they won't let him break anymore legs he has to find a new way of playing dirty...oh well once a Sooner always a Sooner BTW with an offense that went 0-8 on crucial 3rd downs I would be more concerned with your O then running your mouth


Now this is babified and untrue..notice also the Texan player try to horse-collar Jules Jones as before he ran in for a TD?

Roy is a hitter..it is a fact..but he is not dirty..you are simply mad because he was destroying your wr's fair and square..this is not flag football..hitting is allowed..a close look at the tape showed Roy legally nailing the opposition.

ATX
09-01-2005, 04:43 AM
Hey I'm just saying. It's not quite imitation.

It was the Cowboy's idea, and the alot of teams liked it, and used it for their stadium's 30 years later.

The cowboys idea, that's funny man. I'm sure for the past thousands of years in the history of the stadium, there have been plenty of people thinking, wouldn't it be nice if we had some kind of roof that could open and close on this place, this rain sure sucks. :idea: