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TSgt.Texan
08-28-2005, 01:44 PM
I am in Afghanistan right now and have not been able to see any games. Can it be as bad as you all are making it seem?

The Preacher
08-28-2005, 01:49 PM
No not close and good to hear from you overseas. :patriot I don't think I have rose-colored glasses either and I see a ton of potential for the season if we can keep the mistakes to a minimum.

OzzO
08-28-2005, 02:31 PM
Nah - just like anything, the "bad news" gets more attention. The TEXANS will do fine this year - shoot for around 9 wins or so and probably miss the playoffs in a strong AFC.

There will be posters and articles throughout the season noting to bring the backups in and also fire all related coaches and front office members - the waterboy may be keeping his job, you hardly hear about him.

It's just like the media, gotta wade through all the "fluff" to get to the actual newsworthy facts.

Keep the faith and thanks to you and all the fellow servicemen (and women) over there fighting for our beliefs and country.

the wonger need food
08-28-2005, 02:36 PM
The offense is about as bad as it can get. Same problems that they've had since day 1. Inconsistency across the board. Can't pick up 3rd downs and stay on the field. Very few open receivers. Can't score touchdowns. Lots of mistakes and penalties. Bad play calling. Bad decision making.

There were some bright spots on a few plays, but the bad far outweighed the good.

Grid
08-28-2005, 02:39 PM
bleh.. the offense looked fine. There were some good plays called back for penalties.. and some plays that "could have been" had our timing been better.

it will improve as we continue to use this new offense.

I wouldnt worry too much. Our defense looked great at the beggining.. not so great towards the end.. but our starters looked good. Our Offense looked like it needs more practice..but will be fine.

the wonger need food
08-28-2005, 03:12 PM
bleh.. the offense looked fine. There were some good plays called back for penalties.. and some plays that "could have been" had our timing been better.

it will improve as we continue to use this new offense.

I wouldnt worry too much. Our defense looked great at the beggining.. not so great towards the end.. but our starters looked good. Our Offense looked like it needs more practice..but will be fine.


Here's the translation and truth...

the offense looked fine
- 53 passing yards in the first half. 53 yards and half of that on one play.

it will improve as we continue to use this new offense.
- I would hope so, it can't get much worse.

There were some good plays called back for penalties.. and some plays that "could have been" had our timing been better.
- The good plays would not have been successful without the penalties. Lots of mistakes, miscommunication and lack of execution... aka "timing".

Our defense looked great at the beggining.. not so great towards the end.. but our starters looked good.
- This is somewhat true. They held up pretty well until crunch time.

It's amazing how people are blinded by their loyalties to this team. Both admirable and sad at the same time.

Jwwillis
08-28-2005, 03:18 PM
Its amazing how much stock people put into a pre-season game (NE 1-3 last year) Both amazing and sad.

OzzO
08-28-2005, 03:19 PM
... and how outragous some expectations are of other people. Yes, the offense was not clicking on all cylinders last night, and to achieve that would be, what?

104 passer rating
18/18 passes
no incompletions / dropped balls
correctly timed routes
5.4 avg yd per run
TD score each possesion
no turnovers

... something along those lines?

tsip
08-28-2005, 03:30 PM
Its amazing how much stock people put into a pre-season game (NE 1-3 last year) Both amazing and sad.

OK, following your logic....Texans are going 14-2 this year like the Pats
did last year, right? :drool:

Jwwillis
08-28-2005, 03:34 PM
:lol: yup that was my point. We are super bowl bound. :yahoo:

Crank_It_Up
08-28-2005, 05:04 PM
I am in Afghanistan right now and have not been able to see any games. Can it be as bad as you all are making it seem?+ our starting defense did better than I thought they would

+ our starting o-line did better than I thought they would

but Carr definitely had a bad game, as did a few others

in the end the much hated Jerry Jones came away with a win and perhaps a little joy, and that is never good.

texasguy346
08-28-2005, 05:09 PM
I am in Afghanistan right now and have not been able to see any games. Can it be as bad as you all are making it seem?

Well it's definately not as bad as we're all letting on, and it definately isn't as good either. I imagine we're somewhere in the middle. Our offense was 'off' last night, and it had been 'on' during the previous two games in limited action. We're not going to drive down the field and score every drive, nor are we going to be as inconsistent as we were last night. All the extreme reactions at the good and the bad are probably more a result of all of us Texan fans hungering for a taste of the real NFL season, but are left only to pick apart a preseason game. The season opener can't come soon enough.

tuxedo
08-28-2005, 05:11 PM
The offense is about as bad as it can get. Same problems that they've had since day 1. Inconsistency across the board. Can't pick up 3rd downs and stay on the field. Very few open receivers. Can't score touchdowns. Lots of mistakes and penalties. Bad play calling. Bad decision making.

There were some bright spots on a few plays, but the bad far outweighed the good.
I agree 100%.Texans need to improve.

Buzz
08-28-2005, 05:43 PM
The Texans weren't the only team to look awful. The Packers had an ugly game too, with Favre having stats similar to Carr. Anyone that knows football will say there's no way that they could be that bad when the season starts, and I think you have to apply that to the Texans too- it's just that it's a lot harder to be confident about their improvement because of their history. One of the Packers players said "It was like a circus because we kept shooting ourselves in the foot, but at least our wounds were self-inflicted and we can clean those things up." That's how the Texans have to look at their performance.
And for the downers and critics, yes, I know the Texans aren't on the same level as the Packers. That's besides the point. It's about improvement, not comparing one team to another.

Ibar_Harry
08-28-2005, 05:50 PM
Yes, it can!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

TexansTrueFan
08-28-2005, 08:15 PM
haha Ibar,,,,, :pigfly: ,,,,,,everyone makes such a big deal out of nothing, come on it was a bad game for the starters so what, they looked impressive in the previous 2 games.

Texans Pride
08-28-2005, 08:38 PM
Carr had a 5.7 passer rating at the end of the first half.

HardCoreTxn
08-28-2005, 09:09 PM
Carr didnt do as bad as it looks on paper, there were a few key passes dropped that should have been 1st downs, he made a bad decision with the int in the end zone, but the other one wasnt on , it should have been caught.

the wonger need food
08-28-2005, 09:11 PM
Carr didnt do as bad as it looks on paper, there were a few key passes dropped that should have been 1st downs, he made a bad decision with the int in the end zone, but the other one wasnt on , it should have been caught.

He also had one or two more that should have been intercepted.

GP
08-28-2005, 11:43 PM
"Carr didnt do as bad as it looks on paper, there were a few key passes dropped that should have been 1st downs, he made a bad decision with the int in the end zone, but the other one wasnt on , it should have been caught." -- HardCoreTxn

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Sorry. I ain't buying what you're selling.

Carr is a better QB than what he showed last night. High passes that AJ attempted to go up and get but instead got his skull cracked by Williams, lofted passes that were severely out of bounds or overthrown, passes behind the receivers, passes too far in front of the receivers, incorrectly timed routes between he and his receivers, etc., etc., etc.

Save the optimistic outlook for another day when its warranted. Last night was easily his worst performance. it was very inconsistent. When he DID do well, some other bad situation occurred. That's not his fault, but he;s the leader of the offense and his job is to overcome others' mistakes by making plays when everyone else on the team isn't. Those plays where their was miscommunication between him and his receivers: HE IS THE QB. He needs to grab them by the facemask in the huddle and tell them, "AJ...you go ten yards and turn to your LEFT to the sideline" if he thinks there might be a chance of his key receiver running an incorrect route.

He's the man, and last night absolutely falls on Carr's shoulders. Period.

jr0ck
08-28-2005, 11:49 PM
i'm actually surprised i haven't seen this, in any threads, yet...

andre had three dropped balls last night (if i remember correctly), yet it's carr's 5.7 passer rating we're talking about. not to mention matt murphy's drop which led to an interception. so why no "trade andre"/"we NEED a legitimate recieving threat" threads yet? of course i know it was an off night for 'dre, i'd be surprised if he has more than five dropped balls all through the coming season, but i think it's a good indicator of how these "realist's" make it a point to see things the way they want too. with those yards and one less pick carr would have looked about as good as he had all pre-season, and would have been in much better position to add another TD as well. yes he tried to force bad throw to andre, but get ready, EVERY QB makes those mistakes at some point during the season!

i'm actually surprised that no one is praising the OL/palmer for their respective contribution's to keeping our aforementioned QB on his feet and giving him more than enough time to make a throw. i found myself almost shouting "damn that was good play action!" during the first half. carr is still going to get sacked, but if the OL keeps it up along with the change in carr's number of drop steps (coupled with the apparent new protection scheme's) then IMO we are looking a much healthier, more consistent, 4000+ yd season for david and co. a word to the wise, do not listen to THE wonger if you want an accurate description of how thing's look for the texans in 2005-06 :tomato:

Texizgreat
08-28-2005, 11:52 PM
... and how outragous some expectations are of other people. Yes, the offense was not clicking on all cylinders last night, and to achieve that would be, what?

104 passer rating
18/18 passes
no incompletions / dropped balls
correctly timed routes
5.4 avg yd per run
TD score each possesion
no turnovers

... something along those lines?


No but something allong these lines
above 5.7 passer rateing (you know some where near tony romos passer rateing would have been fine with me)
even 9 of 18
some dropped balls are ok not all of them
they are paid to run routes
4 yrds per run
one TD by starting Offence would have been nice
less turn overs a must.

beerlover
08-29-2005, 12:17 AM
I know we ended last season on a bad note, that we've been through free agency, pre-draft/draft/post-draft, training camps & a less than auspicious pre-season but don't be in a hurry to judge the entire season so quickly. there are bound to be bumps and bruises along the way, its a very compeitive but equal playing field, surely anything is possible if you truely believe :texflag:

Grid
08-29-2005, 02:31 AM
We have the opposite of bandwagon fans apparently.... we need to think of a name for them. They dont jump on the bandwagon.. they stand in the road and say "look at that bandwagon, what an ugly bandwagon, id never be associated with that bandwagon".

I wonder where all of these people are when we play WELL? probably studying tape to find something to whine about.


the offense looked fine
- 53 passing yards in the first half. 53 yards and half of that on one play.

And had our timing been better on the timing routes.. and had we not had some stupid penalties on key plays.. it would have been alot better than that. Therefore..the offense looked fine.. it just had some timing and penalty issues.


it will improve as we continue to use this new offense.
- I would hope so, it can't get much worse.

we have seen worse. every season we have seen worse. This year.. Carr hasnt had NEAR as much pressure...matter of fact, i dont think he has been sacked once. We are running a new offense this year..and obviously it needs a bit more time to gel.

There were some good plays called back for penalties.. and some plays that "could have been" had our timing been better.
- The good plays would not have been successful without the penalties. Lots of mistakes, miscommunication and lack of execution... aka "timing".

bull. watch the game again. on more than one play that got called back.. the penalty happened no where near the ball. And on a couple of plays where the penalty DID help move the ball.. it was the difference of a 5 yard gain..or a 7-10 yard gain. Meaning..had there been no penalty..it would have been +5 yards.. but instead it was -5-10 yards.

Our defense looked great at the beggining.. not so great towards the end.. but our starters looked good.
- This is somewhat true. They held up pretty well until crunch time.

It's amazing how people are blinded by their loyalties to this team. Both admirable and sad at the same time

I find it just as amazing that a person could be so blind to what we did right. Are you a fan or not? cause a fan should be able to watch a game and see the positives..even if it wasnt the best performance. You are so busy trying to find something to whine about that you completely ignore the positive steps we have taken. The only "sad" thing I see is the ignorance of our so called "fanbase" sometimes.

tsip
08-29-2005, 07:12 AM
"wonder where all of these people are when we play WELL?"

...am sure you will let us know...better question might be to wonder
where the :homer: are when we score!!

WWJD
08-29-2005, 08:42 AM
I think the Texans have a wonderful fanbase. By nature most fans are armchair QB's. Even on a SB team you'll have fans of that same team that wonder why they did that? or why are they running that play?

It doesn't mean people don't care when they criticize but rather that they care maybe too much. I've learned over many years not to take sports so personal and just enjoy the good days and don't worry about the bad. Every team has those. These guys aren't perfect. It's out of my hands how they play. So I just try to enjoy the games and not take the losses so hard.

I don't see people jumping on or off bandwagons. I don't even consider that anybody that posts here will one day not like the Texans.

Everybody knows I like the Cowboys. I wish the Cowboys had more of the enthusiam I see from Texan fans so I really admire the Houston fans devotion and appreciation of the Texans. I like the Texans because of the fun they have as a fan base and as a team. I see this team eventually doing big things. It's just a matter of time. And we all know patience is a virtue.

TSgt.Texan
08-29-2005, 12:52 PM
Well I am going to hope for the best and hope the talent we have shows up as WINS. I went to the Jag game last year in Jacksonville and we kicked some tail 21-0. I have tickets for this years game on Nov. 6. By then we will have our stuff together and be in the hunt for the playoffs. Keep the faith.

Thanks for the encouraging words. We do what we do not for the glory or the thanks; we do it for all of you.