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GP
08-27-2005, 09:38 PM
Un-buh-leave-uh-bull.

I don't mean it, but I just can't over it right now.

I've seen some miscues in past games that warranted temporary anger, and it passes after a few minutes. But tonight's performance is just flat out ugly and disgusting. I am just speechless right now.

Somebody put BJ Symons in the game and call up James Allen.

Oh, and get Matt Stevens' agent on the phone while you're at it.

Good grief....................................... :bomb:

Honoring Earl 34
08-27-2005, 09:41 PM
:brickwall I think I'll get a shot and a beer .

texan279
08-27-2005, 09:42 PM
LMFAO...it's only preseason...

TigerBait
08-27-2005, 09:44 PM
Un-buh-leave-uh-bull.


Oh, and get Matt Stevens' agent on the phone while you're at.

He-who-must-not-be-named, how dare you!?!?

texashoss
08-27-2005, 10:08 PM
one of the worst halves of football i have seen.

you're right - start over!

TexHorns
08-27-2005, 10:12 PM
It looks like carr didnt get too much pressure but he still seemed flustered in the pocket tonight. Johnson had a hard time holding on, I dont know why. The passing offense looked like they were not on the same page. what do yall think the main problem was?

TexHorns
08-27-2005, 10:13 PM
The Dallas secondary looked like they were all over our recievers.

TexanAggie
08-27-2005, 10:34 PM
Oh, and get Matt Stevens' agent on the phone while you're at it.



NONONONONONONONON PLZ not him leave him at the house where he belongs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

JmikeT
08-27-2005, 11:11 PM
It's very simple...A coaches responsibility is to put his team a position to win. That means PREPARATION & PLAY CALLING. The players are responsible for EXECUTION. That being said:

Play calling - offense looked a lot better and diverse for a change.
QB - David had more hang time on his passes than the punters
The O line - finally showed up
The backups... Well there's a definite drop off from the starters (a HUGE cliff to be more specific)
Receivers - hey the starters have to hang on to the ball (it helps if the QB looks off the defenders)
Backs - other Hollings we seem okay.
D line - looked good for 2 series then uh...
Linebackers - try staying home on the outside... And could somebody PLZ PLZ PLZ sack the statue - Bledsoe
Special Teams - WOW! Other than the PENALTIES

For all those who will say,"It's preseason..." Hey whatever!!! I hate the cowurls and I hate losing to them at ANYTIME.

kbourda
08-27-2005, 11:55 PM
For all those who will say,"It's preseason..." Hey whatever!!! I hate the cowurls and I hate losing to them at ANYTIME.

Hey, I agree with you on the cowgul stance but it is only preseason. I just hope we're not seeing the same things going on in the early parts of the season.

Davis37
08-28-2005, 12:40 AM
Our QB play tonight was pitiful at best. Our def looked solid tonight, so that relieves a little worry I had. We got decent pressure on Bledsoe for most of the 1st half, until right before halftime when he made our secondary look like high schoolers.

texan279
08-28-2005, 12:43 AM
Our QB play tonight was pitiful at best.

Banks was pitiful, Carr had one INT that was his fault and several dropped passes that were in the hands of receivers...

Davis37
08-28-2005, 12:51 AM
Banks was pitiful, Carr had one INT that was his fault and several dropped passes that were in the hands of receivers...

He also had alot of passes that were about 5 yards off... I agree that Johnson should have caught those 2 passes, but 2 dropped balls dont make Carr look that bad... Bad play does. Im no chicken little, but Carr needs to get his stuff together.

awtysst
08-28-2005, 12:55 AM
I was playing Madden this evening and was getting killed. However, Even I did better than the Texans today!!!

texan279
08-28-2005, 12:58 AM
He also had alot of passes that were about 5 yards off... I agree that Johnson should have caught those 2 passes, but 2 dropped balls dont make Carr look that bad... Bad play does. Im no chicken little, but Carr needs to get his stuff together.

The passes that were 5 yards off were to Bradford, I am not sure if it was bad route running or miscommunication or what, not making excuses for Carr, just stating what I saw. I am not saying Carr looked like Joe Montana, but he didn't play as bad as some here are saying. And I know it might sound stupid, but in the past Carr has not had as much time as he has had this preseason, so in the past his passes have been shorter than they were tonight. He just needs some time to adjust and get it together...

bigkyle
08-28-2005, 01:02 AM
Was at the game tonight wearing my battle red jearsey. 3/4 of the first half we actually looked pretty good. Just couldn't catch the darn ball. The Dallas fans up here suck. They are such fair weather fans it is ridiculous. I kid you not...there were two cars tailgating in the whole parking lot. That was all I saw. I hate living in cowgirl country. Love coming home to H-Town for all the games. :texans:

The Preacher
08-28-2005, 01:35 AM
:penalty: I just got home and was feeling pumped about the Texans' upcoming season to see runaway pessimism? Tonight's game was like the twilight zone. They couldn't get anything going because penalties kept stopping them, offense and special teams. Carr looked confident in the pocket and was throwing lasers that were on target but were uncharacteristically dropped a few times. The times he was off he was just avoiding taking a hit in the preseason. Dallas has a tough D but DD was running well and Carr had plenty of time for the most part. That was everybody's greatest fear that our o-line couldn't protect and the D couldn't get any pressure. Both were answered with a resounding success tonight. It was just like the Chargers game and Lions game last year-turnovers and penalties will cost you the game. That can be corrected and you could tell Carr just couldn't believe what he was seeing. He just shook his head a couple of times because he absolutely knew the Texans should have been not only winnning but rolling! I can't believe the drama here not only does the O look to have tons of potential but the D looked fierce and our special teams are undeniably off the charts. Sorry if I can't join in the pity party I'm too jacked about the upcoming season. :heh:

Dime
08-28-2005, 02:34 AM
:penalty: I just got home and was feeling pumped about the Texans' upcoming season to see runaway pessimism? Tonight's game was like the twilight zone. They couldn't get anything going because penalties kept stopping them, offense and special teams. Carr looked confident in the pocket and was throwing lasers that were on target but were uncharacteristically dropped a few times. The times he was off he was just avoiding taking a hit in the preseason. Dallas has a tough D but DD was running well and Carr had plenty of time for the most part. That was everybody's greatest fear that our o-line couldn't protect and the D couldn't get any pressure. Both were answered with a resounding success tonight. It was just like the Chargers game and Lions game last year-turnovers and penalties will cost you the game. That can be corrected and you could tell Carr just couldn't believe what he was seeing. He just shook his head a couple of times because he absolutely knew the Texans should have been not only winnning but rolling! I can't believe the drama here not only does the O look to have tons of potential but the D looked fierce and our special teams are undeniably off the charts. Sorry if I can't join in the pity party I'm too jacked about the upcoming season. :heh:

Rofl.. which game were you at? I was at Texas Stadium on the 15 yard line and I sure didnt see the same game you did. Carr was not throwing good, the oline stepped up a little, but the D downright let failed. My thought here, if you have more then 20+ points against you, you have failed. I am glad you saw something else.. Next time, I will try to sit by you.

GP
08-28-2005, 03:03 AM
I agree with Dime.

Carr looked out of sync. He couldn't blame his receivers. He was throwing the ball so high that our receivers were leaping for the ball and getting cracked in mid-air by the Cowgirl defenders. It was like shooting ducks in a barrel.

I'm a HUGE David Carr fan.......but tonight was by far his worst performance of ANY game. Period.

texasguy346
08-28-2005, 03:13 AM
The passes that were 5 yards off were to Bradford, I am not sure if it was bad route running or miscommunication or what, not making excuses for Carr, just stating what I saw. I am not saying Carr looked like Joe Montana, but he didn't play as bad as some here are saying. And I know it might sound stupid, but in the past Carr has not had as much time as he has had this preseason, so in the past his passes have been shorter than they were tonight. He just needs some time to adjust and get it together...


I tend to agree with you. The pass Carr attempted to AJ in the endzone should never have been thrown. He underthrew the ball, understandable since he was on the run, and Newman got an easy INT. The INT off the Murphy catch was not Carr's fault at all. Willams gave Murphy a huge lick, and he wasn't expecting it. He bobbled the ball, and Ngyuen was able to come up with the pick. The receivers and Carr seemed to be off tonight. There were several miscues. You mentioned a couple involving Bradford, plus there was the drop by AJ over the middle, and then the hook route AJ ran where he turned to the inside and Carr threw it too the outside. Those two definately weren't on the same page on that play.

The running game was solid, and the O-Line performed pretty well especially considering that Brown was in for the injured Weigert (anyone else notice that Bob Allan introduce him as the Texans RT instead of RG during his interview?). Brown played pretty well all things considered, and it looks like Weary could be in danger of being cut. Murphy played pretty well at TE with the exception of giving up that INT to Dat. He delivered some good blocks, and I think he and Bruener are definately locks for 2 TE spots. Looks like Miller is battling Rivers for that 3rd spot, and Miller didn't do alot to help himself tonight. I'd give Rivers the slight edge since he's got good versatility, and can play special teams. As for the RBs it looks like Hollings might be handing in his playbook soon. Morency and Wells will probably be backing up DD when the season starts. Looks like Norris will be the lone FB, and Wells will be his backup too. Its looking like we'll keep AJ, Armstrong, Gaff, Bradford, Mathis, and Swinton if we keep 6 wideouts. That means guys like Thomas, Starling, and Kasper won't make the final 53 even though they're all talented players.

The defense looked very good, and really only allowed the one big drive that led to the Jones TD run. That play was ugly. It looked as though we came on a blitz, but the Cowboys picked it up well enough to allow Jones to scamper to the outside for a TD. Unfortunately it seems as if the Texans best defensive stand in the first half was blacked out here in Houston due to the power failure. Smith was said to have stopped the RB (Jones I'm assuming) for a 6 yard loss after Walker stuffed the run on the previous play. The OLBs got pretty good pressure, but I wouldn't mind seeing more. Peek sacked Bledsoe on the early on in the game, and it looked as if Adams missed his assignment as Peek blew past him. Jones picked up DRob who was also blitzing, and Adams hesitated on whether to pick up Peek or Dunta. Pretty scary play when Walker and Peek collided, but glad both players were alright. Babin stopped Jones on a screen pass out in the flat by getting around his blocker, but he took the worst of the hit. Greenwood looks like he'll be a great blitzer. There's a big difference in the time it takes Morlon to get to the QB, and the time it used to take Jamie to get to the QB on a blitz. The pressure the D applied to Bledsoe made him throw it away a few times. PBuch was hot and cold tonight. He played Glenn too soft and missed a tackle or two he should've made, but he also made a few tackles when he needed to and played tight coverage. Faggins had a very good game, and what can I say about Brown. He looked very good tonight, and was very comfortable back there at SS. Wow I'm rambling on a bit. I'll save some input for the appropirate time.

Ibar_Harry
08-28-2005, 03:27 AM
I, and others, have said to watch for Mathis and I think he showed some of his potential tonight. I still think Kasper is a go to guy, and as I have said in other posts, Bradford has been a surprise. Or is it the usual TC pheonon who disappears when the season starts. Mathis, Kasper, Starling and Armstrong have hands. AJ has average hands at best and that has always been the knock. It seemed like the 1st two possessions featured primarily AJ. They did not move the ball around and I think that was the plan. AJ can not do it alone.

On paper our offense looks so much like last year's team. By that I mean we are always on the ragged edge offensively. We just don't make that many big plays to make up for the occasional bad ones. It seems like once we get in a hole we can't get out. To be a contendor you have to be able to make the big play when you need it, because every team is going to have their penalties and failures. The good ones overcome the bad. So far the Texans have not shown the ability to do that.

I still question the defense and I think the maturity of Glenn is sorely missed. I don't think the new young players will have that much of an impact in the 1st part of the season. If they do not come along by the beginning of the 2nd half of the season then we might finish well below .500 for the season. This is a very fragile team with little if any depth at many key positions. I wish us well, but we have yet to see much that we have'nt seen before. The one big positive is our special teams play other than penalities. We have some people this year who can take it to the house if only we learn how not to get penalties.

Remember, the plan for the season was quick 2 and 3 step drops with quick short releases. Carr trying to sit in the pocket is not was planned, nor practiced extensively. I also said in a prior post that Carr is best when he's moving and that's what normally happens with zone blocking. Now having said that, I also said watch out if a team figures out that you want to contain Carr and not let him role out. He's not going to hurt you right now in the pocket, because he's not use to it and he has to learn to find the lanes to throw through.

This team does not adjust well to the other team's defense. We seem to come out with a plan and that's what we continue to do throughout the entire game. When the other team adjusts we go down hill, because we don't seem to have an alternate plan of attack. Its characteristic of what I've said about Capers and his game planning. That is why I have been unimpressed with the 1st two games. Yes, the offense moved the ball on the 1st series or 2 in each of the games and then that was it. We moved the ball to the 20 on one of the 1st series and then Carr was intercepted. After that it was down hill.

I believe, up until the 2 minute mark of the 1st half, both teams were under 100 yards total offense each. Quite frankly, its very boring football with relatively little creativity. Our defense will only be as good as our offense. By that I mean the offense has to stay on the field longer if our young defense is going to have any success. We have to keep the pressure off of our defense. Once we are behind, we have problems because our young defenders tend to take chances. When you are ahead, you can gamble and the pressure on the other team will give you more latitude in your play calling. We are not an excellent come from behind team.

GP
08-28-2005, 03:35 AM
Yep. I saw what you saw.

Hollings is nearing the end, but I wonder if he can somehow be put on the practice squad or some other list in case one of the other HBs gets inured during the season? It's not that he's THAT bad...it's just that you can see a noticeable drop-off from DD to Morency and then from Morency to Hollings.

Anybody here who honestly thinks that Hollings has outperformed Morency is not watching the same games I've been watching. Even the difference in body language (how Hollings and Morency each carry themselves between snaps) is considerably different. One guy looks and walks confidently and another guy is slumping and moping around with his hands on his hips most of the time.

Carr was awful. I've never seen him look so out of sync. Why did he have to pick THIS game to be absent? I am usually pretty good about seeing the silver lining in the games where we've kinda' stunk it up.....but tonight, I was just so flat out embarassed, I couldn't hardly watch the game toward the end of the first half. And you know our team is embarassed. Roy Williams is the ONLY good player on that defense, and it looked like there were 10 of him out there tonight. Did he clone himself before the game tonight?

That was just a very bizarre-o game. Period. We couldn't do much of anything except for special teams.

TEXANS84
08-28-2005, 03:36 AM
Carr made Newman look like the leauge MVP.

ATX
08-28-2005, 03:47 AM
Carr was off the whole game it seemed. not going to throw in the towel, but man he mad some bad passes. Just a sloppy game overall, lots of penalties, dropped balls, and Banks looked terrible. On the positive side, Carr wasn't sacked, DD was good, Nice run by morency, nice sack by peek, 1st team defense looked great except for one drive, great returns on special teams, and no major injuries. kinda worried about DD, but i think he'll be alright.

texasguy346
08-28-2005, 03:58 AM
On the positive side, Carr wasn't sacked, DD was good,

Hate to take somethign away from the positive side, but I think they're counting the takedown by Ware as a sack. Not sure since it was close. Either way Riley let him get by him when Carr stepped up in the pocket. I don't think DD's injury is that serious, but I doubt we see him much, if at all, in the TB game.

JmikeT
08-28-2005, 08:50 AM
IBAR it seems we saw the same game and coaches. As the game wears on we don't seem to make the necessary adjustments on either side of the ball.
It seems Carr is best on the run and yet we were working on the DEEP (5-7 steps) drop last night. More importantly, I saw a QB exhibiting bad mechanics- throwing off the back foot, not looking off defenders,not hitting/throwing to the OPEN receiver.
I can't help but believe part of this is coaching because Banks did the same thing when he came into the game.
Receivers are going to drop passes, but a 5.7 rating is a little more than dropped passes.
We have amassed a defense built on speed, and to me the schemes that I have seen are all wrong. I hope we are just showing vanilla now but all of the sprinkles,nuts, and other toppings will be here in two weeks!

Ibar_Harry
08-28-2005, 06:14 PM
What were the goals and objectives for the team last night? The next question is were they attained? I'm waiting for Capers to say if we had only executed. I guess I would wonder if he was talking about the team or Palmer. We have played 3 games with little if any excitment. We simply do not try to make things happen. We remain so so predictable. The one very bright spot could be Mathis, but the rest of it is pretty dreary. Another glimmer has been Riley. I certainly didn't expect to see him playing, little lone, playing reasonably well.

Next question is will Texans fans continue to pay high prices to see this kind of mediocrity? Medicority at best is what you would describe we are seeing. Mr. McNair has a lot of money on the line and needs the cash to keep flowing to pay the bills. If the fans start leaving early, some one is going to have to pay the price...........

The Preacher
08-28-2005, 06:34 PM
How can you blow up a team that has basically had the first team in for a little over one half. That totals about 9 drives so far. If it weren't for penalties and turnovers we would have scored on half of them. That's w/o Gaffney and Armstrong. Any team can get out of sync for a half or a few games for that matter and still rebound. Much less a few drives in PRESEASON. I think I'm starting to :deadhorse so it's probably time to chill and wait for at least a few games into the season to make some fair assessments.

Merlin
08-28-2005, 06:57 PM
I'm not sure we need to go to that extreme but I was definitely disappointed last night. Penalties were over the top, even if the refs were falg happy we gave them a lot of reasons to throw them. Extremely sloppy football. And I don't even want to get started on Carr. A decent series of plays extending beyond 3 and out is a fantasy. This guy is supposed to be a leader? IMHO he needs to quit playing Joe Hollywood and focus on the football. Speaking of focus, there is absolutely no consistency in his level of play. I say we give him this year (only because we have little other choice) and of he doesn't step up to the challenge, we move on.

I'm praying these guys prove me wrong but I'm doubtful seeing the play I've seen so far. It doesn't look much different than the last three years.

the wonger need food
08-28-2005, 07:01 PM
If it weren't for penalties and turnovers we would have scored on half of them.

Also see...

- "if it weren't preseason"
- "if Carr had less time"
- "if Davis didn't get hurt"
- "if Dre didn't drop so many passes"
- "if the receivers would have run better routes"
- "if the play calling would have kept the defenses guessing"
- "if Carr would have made better decisions"
- "if Chester Pitts would get his head out of his arse"
- "if we had a tight end to throw to"
- "if someone could make a play on 3rd down"

...we would have scored on half of them.

Ah, another year of excuses. The story of this team since its inception.

the wonger need food
08-28-2005, 07:18 PM
We simply do not try to make things happen. We remain so so predictable.

You have to take what the defense gives you. That's the mentality. God forbid they try to go out and take something.

ledzeppelin229
08-28-2005, 07:20 PM
Also see...

- "if it weren't preseason"
- "if Carr had less time"
- "if Davis didn't get hurt"
- "if Dre didn't drop so many passes"
- "if the receivers would have run better routes"
- "if the play calling would have kept the defenses guessing"
- "if Carr would have made better decisions"
- "if Chester Pitts would get his head out of his arse"
- "if we had a tight end to throw to"
- "if someone could make a play on 3rd down"

...we would have scored on half of them.

Ah, another year of excuses. The story of this team since its inception.

You act like Houston fans are the only ones that make excuses and that the actual team has been making all these excuses too. Criticizing a franchise and its fanbase over some fans frustrated concerns is pretty weak.

Texans Pride
08-28-2005, 07:46 PM
Ah, another year of excuses. The story of this team since its inception.



This could turn out to be a very true statement.

TexansTrueFan
08-28-2005, 08:10 PM
hmmm this is one Fd Up thread.

The Preacher
08-28-2005, 08:19 PM
Ah, another year of excuses. The story of this team since its inception.[/QUOTE]

Did you really expect the Texans to play at a high playoff or championship level in their first few years in the league? With those kind of expectations it's no wonder you're so upset.

the wonger need food
08-28-2005, 08:27 PM
Did you really expect the Texans to play at a high playoff or championship level in their first few years in the league? With those kind of expectations it's no wonder you're so upset.

I'm not upset. Just calling them like I see them. These guys get paid a lot of money and some of that comes out of my paycheck. We're shareholders in this company and should feel free to voice our concerns.

HJam72
08-28-2005, 09:05 PM
Also see...

- "if it weren't preseason"
- "if Carr had less time"
- "if Davis didn't get hurt"
- "if Dre didn't drop so many passes"
- "if the receivers would have run better routes"
- "if the play calling would have kept the defenses guessing"
- "if Carr would have made better decisions"
- "if Chester Pitts would get his head out of his arse"
- "if we had a tight end to throw to"
- "if someone could make a play on 3rd down"

...we would have scored on half of them.



See, we just need a few minor changes. :)

I was looking at the schedule earlier today and I'm getting really worried about that first half of the season. I had us winning 7 games, but 5 of them were in the second half. That's 2-6 in the first half! Thank God we've got good backups for DD because who knows if he'll even be there in the second half. However, I predicted 9 wins this year (before the preseason started) and I think preseason just confuses the crud out of people. I would say, "Wait 'till the real season begins," like some others, but I'm afraid we may go 0-2 to start even if we're better than a lot of you think. I sure hope these guys get pumped up for that Buffalo game, because Pittsburgh is gonna mean business.

HJam72
08-28-2005, 09:32 PM
It's gonna be hilarious when we go 3-0 to start the season. :texflag:

WWJD
08-28-2005, 09:52 PM
Preseason is such a funny thing.

Most fans get overly excited or disappointed based on games mostly played by backups and when the regular season starts you'd be hard pressed to find any fan that can tell you much about the preseason. All of a sudden it's as though this lightbulb goes off in one's head and you realize preseason games are basically just practices for most teams.

The Texans will smooth out their offensive problems or they will be hiring somebody to replace Palmer next year. Johnson will make monster catches. David will make plenty of 3rd down runs for that first down. I think the Texans will either be on the cusp of the playoffs or actually in them. If your team is going to play bad Lord let it be in preseason. Even the owners only half watch those games.

On a side note. I really like the Cowboys throw back uniforms. Best ones I've seen from the older teams.

kbourda
08-28-2005, 10:07 PM
Also see...

- "if it weren't preseason"
- "if Carr had less time"
- "if Davis didn't get hurt"
- "if Dre didn't drop so many passes"
- "if the receivers would have run better routes"
- "if the play calling would have kept the defenses guessing"
- "if Carr would have made better decisions"
- "if Chester Pitts would get his head out of his arse"
- "if we had a tight end to throw to"
- "if someone could make a play on 3rd down"

...we would have scored on half of them.

Ah, another year of excuses. The story of this team since its inception.

My Mom always told me when I was a little boy that "If if was a 5th, we would all be drunk." I think i'm starting to understand her now.

The Preacher
08-28-2005, 11:08 PM
I'm not upset. Just calling them like I see them. These guys get paid a lot of money and some of that comes out of my paycheck. We're shareholders in this company and should feel free to voice our concerns.

If you're looking at the Texans as an investment that is a failure unless you consistently profit I would suggest you take your losses and cut bait. The Texans are going to keep losing and right when you think it couldn't happen again, they will lose. Maybe one day they will be fortunate enough to win a championship, the next year they'll start losing again. That is football, it can be upsetting but if it causes you to constantly slam the team then maybe it isn't worth your investment.

GP
08-28-2005, 11:13 PM
Three preseason games and we've been muscled around in ever one of them.

I'm tired of seeing each season thus far being plagued with mediocre playcalling, mediocre free agent acquisitions, and mediocre gameplay. I have long defended the front office AND Capers and the whole direction of the team and its player management & game management...but last night's performance has got me on the edge of maybe (key word being "maybe") thinking this should be Capers' farewell tour. And not far behind him is Vanilla Palmer.

And you know what? I don't care about the silver lining :homer: replies that this post is gonna' get. I've been positive and cheery and optimistic for a loooooooooong time. And I've been a person who jumps on negative posters and calls them down for being overly negative, so it's time for me to be on the receiving end of the tongue lashing I guess. As I see it, last night's performance was easily the WORST performance of this franchise's history, and it came against one of our most hated foes, and I could have been happy losing the game if we had just played competitive ball. But everybody (with the exception of Mathis and Swinton and our special teams) looked like they had never played the game before and couldn't figure out what the objective of NFL football is....which is to move FORWARD in some combination of forward-moving plays which incrementally progress until either the brown ball crosses the opponent's goal line or is kicked through the tall, yellow pipes called a "goal post."

Where is the outrage by any of the Texans team members? Is there anything you guys can post on this messageboard that shows post-game comments by our team leaders, basically apologizing for their effort? Are any of them standing up and saying, "We stunk it up. This is unacceptable and we gotta' get things right in a hurry...."? If none of them are owning up to their performance, then that's the biggest injustice of all.

it is just a game....but they're enormously talented people with big salaries who do what all of us dream of doing, and they play for arguably the best NFL team with the best stadium, the best facilities, the best ownership, etc., etc. If that's not enough to motivate them.........nothing will.

That;s why the Patriots are winning right now. It's why the Cowboys won when they did. Very little separates the best teams from the average teams each year, but I think we're just at a very important and SERIOUS crossroads in terms of our team's current situation and the direction that it MIGHT need to go. All of us are fans, whether we call for the heads of players/coaches or whether we think they do no wrong and deserve a multitude of grace. I am beginning to swing to the dark side of the force based on what I feel are several years of acquiring the talent but not being able to execute on the field.

the wonger need food
08-29-2005, 10:04 AM
If you're looking at the Texans as an investment that is a failure unless you consistently profit I would suggest you take your losses and cut bait. The Texans are going to keep losing and right when you think it couldn't happen again, they will lose. Maybe one day they will be fortunate enough to win a championship, the next year they'll start losing again. That is football, it can be upsetting but if it causes you to constantly slam the team then maybe it isn't worth your investment.

Well, some investments are a tax shelter...

As far as "being upset" and "constantly slamming the team", nothing could be further from the truth. I've had good things to say about this team. Sure there has been less good than bad, but this parallels the team's performance.

GP
08-29-2005, 12:05 PM
Same here.

The reason I'm being so vocal in my disgust is because I have been one to quickly call down the posters I felt were being overly critical. I feel that gives me the room and leverage to say, "OK. Ok. what's going on around here?" This is my first time in four years to really criticize this team. They don't need a bunch of fans saying to them, "You guys are awesome! Blah-blah-blah" They need to know we all vomited last Saturday night and they better cinch up and get things right. In a hurry.

I still love this team. Always will. But this past weekend's performance is in no way deserving of the obligatory "Everything's all right....." argument.

If it was just a flash in the pan, and we won;'t play like that again for the rtest of this year....I'll be happy. I'm just wondering how this particular game got so bad so quick, especially when it's one of our most hated foes.

tsip
08-29-2005, 12:37 PM
Last time I checked it was the pre-season, not another year.

once more, our results and play has been the same in preseason and regular
season...until the results change, that thought of 'it's only preseason'
means nothing :yahoo:

beerlover
08-29-2005, 12:42 PM
the Texans execute without penalties this question becomes mute :penalty:

BigBull17
08-29-2005, 01:15 PM
Rofl.. which game were you at? I was at Texas Stadium on the 15 yard line and I sure didnt see the same game you did. Carr was not throwing good, the oline stepped up a little, but the D downright let failed. My thought here, if you have more then 20+ points against you, you have failed. I am glad you saw something else.. Next time, I will try to sit by you.

I dont count the 2 TDs the third string gave up in the final 6 minutes. The offense has to be on the field more than three to four plays or the D will get scored on. I liked the D in the first half until they quit blitzing and DD was hitting the holes hard. Bradford ran incorrect routs a couple of times and Carr had some issues but we are gonna be ok. We arent trading him for Eli Manning because he played bad in preseason.

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Dime
08-29-2005, 01:21 PM
I dont count the 2 TDs the third string gave up in the final 6 minutes. The offense has to be on the field more than three to four plays or the D will get scored on. I liked the D in the first half until they quit blitzing and DD was hitting the holes hard. Bradford ran incorrect routs a couple of times and Carr had some issues but we are gonna be ok. We arent trading him for Eli Manning because he played bad in preseason.

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Ya... but Carr shouldnt have those issues at this stage... I can certainly understand several bad passes due to not getting in the groove., but he had quite a few that night on the mark. The D the first half was doing decent, but I count the last 6 minutes because they were constantly making progress down the field, not just a sling and a score. They were walking it down.

BigBull17
08-29-2005, 01:31 PM
I just think its to early to demand a drastic change befor we see the regular season. I find the O line play encuraging due to the fact that Dallas is supose to have a really good D this year and they didnt stop us that much. We stopped ourselves and that can be worked out. It wasnt there supirior play that crushed us and i do find that somewhat encouraging.
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