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DoCt3rJ
08-05-2005, 09:00 PM
Theres alot of talk about Peek right now, but how has Babin looked at camp ?

FaLcOnS FaN
08-26-2005, 11:18 PM
I just wanted to know what you guys think of my cuz.

HJam72
08-26-2005, 11:37 PM
We think you should root for your couson's team. :texflag:

GP
08-27-2005, 12:23 AM
I hope he does well. He's very quick.

A lot of fans on this board and texanstalk.com board were scratching their heads (and some were pulling their hair out) when we traded up to draft him.

I guess that's the business of being a fan. And, as you can see form reading the posts...we're in this phase of casting final judgment on players, such as Tony Hollings etc. (Babin being mixed into that discussion from time to time).

He was drafted to be a speed guy on the ends who could pressure the QB, but I think he's getting muscled around a bit (got pushed around in the Raiders game). Part of the problem is that I think our 3-4 scheme isn't getting the push from the linemen and it therefore allows the o line to tee off on Babin since o lines are handling our middle rush with ease. If we could get a better push up the middle, I think the tackle would have to gamble on some plays and just stick a hand out at Babin (when Babin rushes) so the tackle can stay "home" and help out the interior of the o line but also attempt at the same time to slow down Babin--As it stands, they can just manhandle him because there's no need to double-team any of our inside rushers at this point (which is why we drafted Travis Johnson:to get a more aggressive inside presence).

Our inside rush is just weak, in my opinion, and I think some of it is just the nature of the 3-4 scheme. I'm not a fan of the 3-4. It asks the LBs and DBs to make the plays while the 3 linemen are just there to stall the play to allow the LBs and the DBs to "make the play." I could rant on, but....I'm gonna get flamed for saying this much. :survivor:

thetexanator
08-27-2005, 12:58 AM
babins doing ok. still waiting to see why we gave up a lot for him.

Doom Capers
08-27-2005, 01:45 AM
His tattoos are beastly.

Master Po
08-27-2005, 02:29 AM
it's judgement year

TexHorns
08-27-2005, 03:38 AM
I think he did well adjusting to the new system and position. He will only get better in year 2 IMO.

nunusguy
08-27-2005, 08:48 AM
We have three young OLBs all with talent and potential to be solid performers
in the NFL, perhaps even outstanding performers. Many think Babin is the
best prospect of the three, others think he's not even one of the best two.
But he's different than the other 2 (Peek & Anderson), in 2 ways: the price we paid for him and the fact he was given the opportunity to start his rookie
year. So Babin now has the advantage of experience over the other young backers. But we are gonna find out a lot about these 3 guys this year
because how they perform (individually and collectively), will have a great deal to do with the success (or failure), of the whole team this year. Its crunch time.

rmartin65
08-27-2005, 09:23 AM
i like babin. seems like he's gonna be a good player if the interior push increases.

Texas_Heat
08-27-2005, 10:03 AM
Babin is coming along nicely,and I'm sure he will be happy to hear his 93 old 2nd
cousin asked about him.

Exascor
08-27-2005, 11:07 AM
We threw away picks to move up to select him. He would have been available to us in the 2nd round had we just waited patiently.Wow! You were in all the War Rooms on draft day! That's quite an accomplishment.

Dime
08-27-2005, 11:36 AM
whoa there horse...

I dont know wherre the rest of you were last year, but Babin did very good for his first year here. He is a awesome player and we are looking at him being a force in the future that gets even better. The people who are stating crap in this thread dont know his numbers last year on what he acccomplished for our team, but they need to find out. I, for one, feel Babin's name will be heard several times per game on the tackle, sack, or interception he just did. :texflag:

rmartin65
08-27-2005, 12:03 PM
agreed. its hard for a team to have only one or two good pass-rushers. then they get keyed on every play. in order to have a premeir pass rush EVERYbody has to be a decent passrusher.IMO

Reddevil63
08-27-2005, 12:10 PM
We threw away picks to move up to select him. He would have been available to us in the 2nd round had we just waited patiently.
Ill bet Casserly felt like a jackass when you told him that...

HardCoreTxn
08-27-2005, 01:44 PM
whoa there horse...

I dont know wherre the rest of you were last year, but Babin did very good for his first year here. He is a awesome player and we are looking at him being a force in the future that gets even better. The people who are stating crap in this thread dont know his numbers last year on what he acccomplished for our team, but they need to find out. I, for one, feel Babin's name will be heard several times per game on the tackle, sack, or interception he just did. :texflag:

not to be a jackass, but 4 sacks, 0 int, 54 tackles is not "very good" for a 1st round (27th pick), but I think he'll pick it up this year and turn into very good LB for years to come. :headbang:

jr0ck
08-27-2005, 01:56 PM
but 4 sacks, 0 int, 54 tackles is not "very good" for a 1st round (27th pick), but I think he'll pick it up

ahem....

there are some 3-4 veterans who beg to differ (thanks to vinny's research from "the other" thread (http://www.houstontexans.com/fan_zone/messageboards/showthread.php?t=11474))...

Letís look at guys playing the strongside or LOLB in a few other 3-4 defenses (I've posted this several times). Earlier in the season last year I said his game looks like Vrabel's does. Statistically they ended up very close, and Babin was the only rookie in this group.

Steelers Clark Haggans had 37 tackles and 6 sacks
Patriots Mike Vrabel 71 tackles and 5.5 sacks
Chargers Ben Leber 60 total tackles and 2 sacks
Texans Jason Babin 63 total tackles and 4 sacks

Exascor
08-27-2005, 02:04 PM
not to be a jackass, but 4 sacks, 0 int, 54 tackles is not "very good" for a 1st round (27th pick), but I think he'll pick it up this year and turn into very good LB for years to come. :headbang:It is for a OLB in the 3-4.Steelers Clark Haggans had 37 tackles and 6 sacks
Patriots Mike Vrabel 71 tackles and 5.5 sacks
Chargers Ben Leber 60 total tackles and 2 sacks
Texans Jason Babin 63 total tackles and 4 sacksLooks very good when compared to some veterans. Pro Bowl worthy? No. Very good for a rookie. Yes.

Exascor
08-27-2005, 02:15 PM
jr0ck beat me to it. hehe

Network problems @ work. Sorry if this message gets posted more than once.

TMac48
08-27-2005, 02:49 PM
My cousin's mom's sister's grandma's uncle's son knows Deborah Frazier, who was an extra in Footlose with Kevin Bacon. There...there's my 7 degrees...

Derek
08-27-2005, 02:54 PM
Babin ain't doing that bad.. I wouldn't mind seeing him in a Titan uniform.. He can play..

Porky
08-27-2005, 05:54 PM
I have to say up to this point I am somewhat disapointed im him vis-a-vis his draft slot, and the amount we paid to get him. I think he has played the run reasonably well, but all of this glass half-full commentary aside, it was publicly stated that Capers targeted this guy to be a monster pass rusher. We didn't give up 3 draft picks to have a decent run stopper. Capers made very public pronouncements comparing him to Kevin Greene. Last time I looked Greene had 160 career sacks, and had ten seasons of 10 or more sacks. To be fair here, Greene didn't start until his second season, and had 7 sacks that year, so it's not as if his first year is a really true comparison. But, I do think it's fair given his draft position, and what we had to trade to get him, to be critical of his lack of production early in his career. I am still hopeful of course, but we didn't pick a Jevon Kearse here, I think it's safe to say. :rolleyes:

dalemurphy
08-27-2005, 05:58 PM
I have to say up to this point I am somewhat disapointed im him vis-a-vis his draft slot, and the amount we paid to get him. I think he has played the run reasonably well, but all of this glass half-full commentary aside, it was publicly stated that Capers targeted this guy to be a monster pass rusher. We didn't give up 3 draft picks to have a decent run stopper. Capers made very public pronouncements comparing him to Kevin Greene. Last time I looked Greene had 160 career sacks, and had ten seasons of 10 or more sacks. To be fair here, Greene didn't start until his second season, and had 7 sacks that year, so it's not as if his first year is a really true comparison. But, I do think it's fair given his draft position, and what we had to trade to get him, to be critical of his lack of production early in his career. I am still hopeful of course, but we didn't pick a Jevon Kearse here, I think it's safe to say. :rolleyes:


I agree. He's a much more complete player than Kearse. Also, he plays a different position on a team that had much less talent around him on defense last year. I thought Babin played well last year. His sack totals would've been much better had the DL done its job last season.

That being said, I'd like to see he and Peek put more pressure on the QBs than they have to this point in the preseason.

rmartin65
08-27-2005, 09:17 PM
i hope he's good.

HardCoreTxn
08-27-2005, 11:10 PM
ahem....

there are some 3-4 veterans who beg to differ (thanks to vinny's research from "the other" thread (http://www.houstontexans.com/fan_zone/messageboards/showthread.php?t=11474))...

How many of those guys went in the 1st round?

texan279
08-27-2005, 11:41 PM
not to be a jackass, but 4 sacks, 0 int, 54 tackles is not "very good" for a 1st round (27th pick), but I think he'll pick it up this year and turn into very good LB for years to come.

To me it's pretty good for a rookie DE out of college converting to OLB in his first season in a system that ran a pretty vanilla defense all season...

pearland
08-28-2005, 01:29 AM
is overrated.

Dime
08-28-2005, 01:35 AM
How many of those guys went in the 1st round?

Dont ask questions you havent research at least a bit.

HardCoreTxn
08-28-2005, 10:58 AM
Dont ask questions you havent research at least a bit.

I know that none of those you are comparing him to are not 1st round picks, Im not sayin I dont like him or that he doesnt fit in, I hope he does great for us in years to come, all Im saying is that he hasnt impressed me as a 1ST ROUND-27th OVERALL PICK :brickwall

Vinny
08-28-2005, 11:29 AM
I know that none of those you are comparing him to are not 1st round picks, Im not sayin I dont like him or that he doesnt fit in, I hope he does great for us in years to come, all Im saying is that he hasnt impressed me as a 1ST ROUND-27th OVERALL PICK :brickwallThe guys I'm comparing him to actually play the strongside linebacker in a 3-4 (Babin's position ya know). Those are the players to compare him to if you want to be fair...

FaLcOnS FaN
09-03-2005, 07:52 AM
Hopefully good.......He's my cousin.

HJam72
09-03-2005, 08:03 AM
There's another thread on the exact same topic somewhere around here and the consensus was that he's doing fine (as evidenced by the fact that there's no "Cut Babin" threads), but that he still needs some improvement. The fans want to see sacks this year or heads are going to role. Babin happens to be an OLB, so you see the main issue. We know he can stop the run. NOBODY doubts that.

Personally, I think Babin's gonna be in a Texans uniform for a long time.

bckey
09-03-2005, 11:01 AM
Babin could be a bust and still not get cut for years. Just look at Hollings as an example. I think Babin is a good player by the way.

nunusguy
09-03-2005, 11:20 AM
Babin could be a bust and still not get cut for years. Just look at Hollings as an example. I think Babin is a good player by the way.
I'm confused BC, if you think he's a good player why don't you say he could be a success instead of saying he could be a bust ?

bckey
09-03-2005, 01:35 PM
I wasn't saying Babin is or is going to be a bust. I was merely pointing out that the Texans seem reluctant to cut high draft picks that don't cut the mustard so Babin doesn't have to worry if he ever did fall into that category. No way Hollings should have made the team this year. With that in mind, Babin has a safety net because he was such a high pick that cost us extra draft picks. He has earned his spot imho up to this point. Whether or not he was worth what we gave up to get him remains to be seen.