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TexansTrueFan
08-25-2005, 07:07 PM
if we dont make the play-offs or have a +.500 record how many would like to see Capers Stay with the Texans Or them let him go.

ledzeppelin229
08-25-2005, 07:26 PM
Making the playoffs would be great but it isn't my standard for whether he's still here. I'd like a winning record, and I want there to be significant progress on the offense and for the defense to come together with all the new pieces. I think if we make any rash decisions just because we miss the playoffs and go 8-8 or something like that, we will just be asking for a few more years of mediocrity as a new coach comes in and rebuilds the team.

TexansTrueFan
08-25-2005, 07:28 PM
Making the playoffs would be great but it isn't my standard for whether he's still here. I'd like a winning record, and I want there to be significant progress on the offense and for the defense to come together with all the new pieces. I think if we make any rash decisions just because we miss the playoffs and go 8-8 or something like that, we will just be asking for a few more years of mediocrity as a new coach comes in and rebuilds the team.


i agree i think he's a great coach, its just with all the "fire" threads at the end of the season, i just wanted to see peoples opinion now and then after the season.

Fiddy
08-25-2005, 07:30 PM
Capers stays if we have a nice season and could if we dont.

See: Cleveland Browns.

GP
08-25-2005, 08:09 PM
Unless we absolutely tank (which I doubt we will), Capers will be here one more year at the least.

The guy has taken a raw expansion team and has increased our wins each season. Just because we're not in the playoffs doesn't mean we're a horrible team.

If he can't get us to the playoffs in the next couple of years...then I think we'll see some activity by the front office. But this season can't be much of a make-or-break seaosn for Capers after what he's done thus far.

That's my two cents.

Texas_Heat
08-25-2005, 08:21 PM
Capers stays if they go 7-9 or better.

Texans86
08-25-2005, 08:35 PM
Does no one believe in the five year plan anymore? I want a winning season as much as the next fan, but seriously, give the man his time.

Diehardtexan
08-25-2005, 08:53 PM
Are you people posting just for the heck of it? The season hasn't even started yet and you are posting to see if Caper stay or go. Give it up. :brickwall

Corrosion
08-25-2005, 08:54 PM
Capers stays if they go 7-9 or better.


Couldnt agree more , This team is at least 3 - 4 players away from a serious play-off contender ...

LT .... They MUST get someone tp protect Carr's blindside , i Highly doubt this player is on the roster now , ive heard enough about Wands potential . Its time to get a quality player either in the draft or Free agency .

Someone to put some heat on the opponent's QB be it a lineman or LB . For all those who think Antwan Peek is the answer here .... he's got a grand total of 3 sacks in the past two years with the Texans and predominantly see's action on passing downs ..... has looked pretty poor this pre-season in the pass rushing department . His cover skills and ability to contain the outside are seriously suspect .
Jason Babin had a decent rookie season but wasnt the be all end all pass rushing monster that Casserly and Capers made him out to be . He does play the run fairly well and has decent cover skills .

WR .... The really need someone to take some of the pressure off of Andre Johnson . Cory Bradford IS NOT the answer . Gaffney is a solid #3 ... Kendrick Starling , LaTarence Dunbar , Sloan Thomas , Devin Pitts , Reggie Swinton , Jerome Mathis , Kevin Kasper , Donovan Morgan .... could one of these guy's be the answer ?

TE ..... They have a need for a TE who can both block well and catch the ball not just one or the other . Its possible that Matt Murphy could be that guy ..... we'll have to wait and see .


Overall the Texans have good talent at most positions but just not enough to make them serious play off contenders . Capers should get another year or two to build this team . It falls upon Him and Casserly to upgrade their weaknesses ...7-9 would be a reasonable record for this team .

Crank_It_Up
08-25-2005, 09:23 PM
Capers should stay even if we finish with a 6 - 10 record. I do however expect to see the defense improve as the season goes on. Hopefully they will slowly gel into a better than average defense by season's end.

With a few changes on the offense for next season, we could easily make the playoffs. Patience is a virtue.

:texflag:

DocBar
08-25-2005, 09:26 PM
Does no one believe in the five year plan anymore? I want a winning season as much as the next fan, but seriously, give the man his time.
I'm sooo glad to hear someone else mention the "5 Year Plan". Besides, IMO, McNair didn't get to be a billionaire by making knee-jerk reactions. He's in this for the long haul and the standard to which all other NFL owners should be held to.

TD
08-25-2005, 09:49 PM
I'm a big fan of stability... the last NFL expansion team coach in Texas didn't get to .500 until the team's sixth year.... went on to have a pretty good run after that.

I vote he gets 5 years no matter what.

Corrosion
08-25-2005, 10:01 PM
Just look at what he did in Carolina when he had the players to execute his system , he took them to the NFC champoinship game in the second year .... That was a veteran filled team built on free agency ... sure they got to the play-off's in a hurry but what happened to that team the following year when it was basicly torn apart by salary cap troubles .They were a BAD team for several years after that ..... From the Houston texans site ...http://www.houstontexans.com/team/coaches_detail.php?PRKey=49


In 1996, the Panthers shook up the league by winning their final seven regular-season games, resulting in a 12-4 record and the NFC West title. Carolina then defeated defending Super Bowl champion Dallas in the divisional playoffs before bowing to Green Bay in the NFC Championship Game at Lambeau Field. The Panthers, riding a defensive unit that ranked second in the league in points allowed, posted a 9-0 home record (including playoffs). Eight Panthers played in the Pro Bowl. Capers was named Coach of the Year by the Associated Press, among numerous other honors.

The Panthers posted records of 7-9 and 4-12 the next two seasons, resulting in Capersí dismissal.

Who wants to go thru 4-12 again ?

I like how they are building the team thru the draft . In this day and age with the salary cap there isnt any better way to build a long term competitive team than what Capers and Casserly have done .

Long gone are the days when the 49'ers and Cowboys go out and buy champoinship rosters thru free agency without paying for it severly in the long term . :texflag:

V Man
08-25-2005, 10:16 PM
He will get one more year, and if they don't make the playoffs next year. Capers will be gone. But I believe he will be here for at least one more.

scourge
08-25-2005, 10:28 PM
if we go 5-11 or worse, he may go... but I doubt that'll happen. If he did, I'd like to see him stay on as our defensive coordinator.

DocBar
08-25-2005, 10:37 PM
if we go 5-11 or worse, he may go... but I doubt that'll happen. If he did, I'd like to see him stay on as our defensive coordinator.
Good idea, but it'll never happen. Capers is gonna lead us to the Promised Land. At least that's what the Kickin' Chicken is tellin' me.

Davis37
08-26-2005, 03:03 AM
Couldnt agree more , This team is at least 3 - 4 players away from a serious play-off contender ...

LT .... They MUST get someone tp protect Carr's blindside , i Highly doubt this player is on the roster now , ive heard enough about Wands potential . Its time to get a quality player either in the draft or Free agency .

Someone to put some heat on the opponent's QB be it a lineman or LB . For all those who think Antwan Peek is the answer here .... he's got a grand total of 3 sacks in the past two years with the Texans and predominantly see's action on passing downs ..... has looked pretty poor this pre-season in the pass rushing department . His cover skills and ability to contain the outside are seriously suspect .
Jason Babin had a decent rookie season but wasnt the be all end all pass rushing monster that Casserly and Capers made him out to be . He does play the run fairly well and has decent cover skills .

WR .... The really need someone to take some of the pressure off of Andre Johnson . Cory Bradford IS NOT the answer . Gaffney is a solid #3 ... Kendrick Starling , LaTarence Dunbar , Sloan Thomas , Devin Pitts , Reggie Swinton , Jerome Mathis , Kevin Kasper , Donovan Morgan .... could one of these guy's be the answer ?

TE ..... They have a need for a TE who can both block well and catch the ball not just one or the other . Its possible that Matt Murphy could be that guy ..... we'll have to wait and see .


Overall the Texans have good talent at most positions but just not enough to make them serious play off contenders . Capers should get another year or two to build this team . It falls upon Him and Casserly to upgrade their weaknesses ...7-9 would be a reasonable record for this team .

Couldnt have said it better myself. I agree with everything you said. :cool:

TexHorns
08-26-2005, 05:41 AM
Capers should stay. He is a smart guy. He has had some problems with the oline because of boselli and joppru but besides that he and casserly have done a great job in there first few years. He hasnt had any major mistakes or bad calls so IMO he stays. I couldnt expect anyone to do a better job given the time frame. IMO people have to look at what a coach has to work with and the situation that they are in before they can judge what they are capable of. Until I can find some reason that capers is at fault then I will have capers back all the way. I am a little drunk so I hope I am making sense?

TEXANRED
08-26-2005, 07:15 AM
Here is my opinion, I dont think capers has anything to worry about. I think the real person on the hot seat is going to be our D coordinator. With as much speed and youth and all the draft picks over the last few years for the D to once again have the fewest sacks and finish middle of the pack that will be unacceptable.

But then again I grew up in the Glanville/Buddy Ryan years where our D played like they had a pair.

fingers5
08-26-2005, 07:28 AM
The man should get one more season as long as we do not see any more games like the Cleveland debacle. That was an absolute embarrasment. The only coaches who should REALLY be on the hot seat are Palmer and 'O'Line

swisher
08-26-2005, 07:34 AM
I think a common thread among bad teams is turnover in the head coaching position. Find a decent one and give him a chance. A chance is not three or four seasons.

Crank_It_Up
08-26-2005, 07:59 AM
http://www.siegler.net/cowboys/images/99season/110899_6.jpg
Capers? Yeah, I'll take him, by then I will have turned the big tuna into tunafish.

Exascor
08-26-2005, 10:11 AM
Ask the Czar: Dom Capers: After losing 32 games in his first three seasons, the word is that Houston owner Robert McNair would like to have a winning season this year. It's been tough for Capers in a division with the Colts, Titans and Jaguars. But the Titans are slipping and the schedule isn't too tough compared to others. Are the expectations too high? Not really. The Texans were 7-9 last season and swept the Jags and Titans. Going 10-6 makes sense to the front office. Source: These players and coaches need to produce (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/4809386)

I don't see McNair firing Capers unless we have a 6-10 or worse record.

Blake
08-26-2005, 10:17 AM
Capers will get his 5 years regardless of the outcome of this season I think. But after that, the Owner will have to make a change up to give his fans hope.

Marcus
08-26-2005, 10:26 AM
Going 10-6 makes sense to the front office.

Is there a smilie somewhere that shows it pulling a foreign object out of it's ***** :D .

bckey
08-26-2005, 12:39 PM
This poll should have been about Palmer

the wonger need food
08-27-2005, 04:17 PM
About 70/30 he stays right now, but if they go 7-9 again the numbers will reverse.

My vote is for giving Gary Kubiak a shot at head coach and promote Jon Hoke to Defensive Coordinator.

Grid
08-27-2005, 04:28 PM
I think.. unless there is a noticable flaw in our strategy for building a good team (meaning..something happens and it shows that we arent going to get anywhere under capers.. like players start leaving, or we go 1-15, or something bad like that).. he is going to be our Cowher. meaning.. hes gonna be here a looooooong time.

And im cool with that. hes intelligent, hes a good coach.. he runs a tight program.. and I think with the right personel he could take us to the superbowl.

hes here to stay.

dalemurphy
08-27-2005, 05:38 PM
The idea that Capers has/will keep this team from success is ridiculous, IMO.
So is the idea that there should be some sort of arbitrary number to determine his employment status.

Capers knows football. He's a good teacher and communicator and he is respected by his players and assistants. Therefore, he shouldn't go anywhere. I do agree that if improvements aren't made in some areas that changes should happen. However, Casserly is in charge of such things. The only way I foresee Capers leaving is if Casserly demands certain coaching/philosophical changes that Capers blocks. If the organization gets to that point, only then would I expect Capers to go.

mancunian
08-29-2005, 10:40 AM
About 70/30 he stays right now, but if they go 7-9 again the numbers will reverse.

My vote is for giving Gary Kubiak a shot at head coach and promote Jon Hoke to Defensive Coordinator.

I'd agree about Kubiak ...the Broncos line always seems to be darn good ...how many 1000 yard backs have they had over the last few years?

If Capers has a winning season he'll be ok .......even if we still miss the playoffs.

I also think we need a more aggressive Offensive Co-ordinator ...Palmer is too conservative.

Just had a thought how about the Colts O co-ordinator for a Head Coach role?

mancunian
08-29-2005, 10:41 AM
This poll should have been about Palmer

yeah too conserative and have never rated the guy.

bckey
08-29-2005, 12:05 PM
Does no one believe in the five year plan anymore? I want a winning season as much as the next fan, but seriously, give the man his time.

I never did because I never believed in Capers.

bckey
08-29-2005, 12:21 PM
Capers knows football. He's a good teacher and communicator and he is respected by his players and assistants. Therefore, he shouldn't go anywhere. I do agree that if improvements aren't made in some areas that changes should happen. However, Casserly is in charge of such things. The only way I foresee Capers leaving is if Casserly demands certain coaching/philosophical changes that Capers blocks. If the organization gets to that point, only then would I expect Capers to go.

Capers knows defense not offense and I don't know that he is a good teacher and communicator. Every interview I have ever seen him in will put you to sleep. He alway puts a positive spin on everything. He never seems to show any intensity. Get in a players a** once in a while when he screws up. Throw your clipboard at a ref or punch Palmer for calling that stupid near lateral pass to AJ 5 times a game. Show some fire! This is football! I saw enough combing the hair over with his hand and clapping to positively reinforce our players when the chips were down from Pardee. Just rewatch the Oilers/Bills game. Give Hoke a shot if Dom can't show improvent this season.

BigBull17
08-29-2005, 12:52 PM
I agree with a new OC but Capers is a great head coach and I would hate to see the Head coach change every three-four years. Thats why Clevlend and San Fran look so bad

bckey
08-29-2005, 02:48 PM
I agree with a new OC but Capers is a great head coach and I would hate to see the Head coach change every three-four years. Thats why Clevlend and San Fran look so bad

I don't think that is the whole picture. I think those teams have some bad players and have made bad draft picks and bad free agent pick ups. Coaching changes don't always have a negative effect. I do agree that you shouldn't have a revolving door.

dalemurphy
08-30-2005, 12:29 AM
Capers knows defense not offense and I don't know that he is a good teacher and communicator. Every interview I have ever seen him in will put you to sleep. He alway puts a positive spin on everything. He never seems to show any intensity. Get in a players a** once in a while when he screws up. Throw your clipboard at a ref or punch Palmer for calling that stupid near lateral pass to AJ 5 times a game. Show some fire! This is football! I saw enough combing the hair over with his hand and clapping to positively reinforce our players when the chips were down from Pardee. Just rewatch the Oilers/Bills game. Give Hoke a shot if Dom can't show improvent this season.


Why does his interaction with the media and the way he handles himself with modesty and respect in public say to you that he doesn't have fire or intensity.. How he behaves in front of a camera has very little to do with his ability to fire up the team and says nothing about whether or not he challenges players individually. Capers isn't about himself. He has self control and is no-nonsense. He doesn't want or need to be the story, be written or talked about, etc... His players and former players respect him. People around the league ( coaches who've worked with him) respect him and I see no indication that he hasn't been coaching and teaching this team well.

As a team, we've improved steadily each season. We don't have chronic problems with turnovers, penalties, or undisciplined play. Last year we were a couple of players away from challenging for the playoffs. If we were an NFC team we may have been in the playoffs last year. The team has added players and subtracted some this offseason as well. They are further along in their plan and the guys that arrived here as rookies the past three seasons are becoming veterans. How about fans having enough respect to wait and see how the season shakes out before condemning everything the team is doing??

dalemurphy
08-30-2005, 12:35 AM
One of my favorite Capers' quotes:

"We are going to understate and overperform"... that's his philosophy and one that he certainly lives by. Therefore, you won't see him bringing attention to himself. He will work his butt off and expect everyone around him to do the same. Only a fool would say that the team hasn't at least met expectations each of the first three seasons. Why is it that everyone assumes it won't happen again.

For those who lack the ability to be reasonable. Here is what you should expect: A significantly improved team in all three facets. A team that doesn't look outmatched against any teams in the NFL- though there will of course be a couple ugly games. And, depending on injuries somewhere between 8-10 wins. Of course, if we lose Carr, Wade, Pitts, Dunta, Payne, etc... for most of the season then we may end up closer to 6. Settle down and enjoy the first season where we will have playoff hopes in December.

Ibar_Harry
08-30-2005, 12:59 AM
One of my favorite Capers' quotes:

"We are going to understate and overperform"... that's his philosophy and one that he certainly lives by. Therefore, you won't see him bringing attention to himself. He will work his butt off and expect everyone around him to do the same. Only a fool would say that the team hasn't at least met expectations each of the first three seasons. Why is it that everyone assumes it won't happen again.

For those who lack the ability to be reasonable. Here is what you should expect: A significantly improved team in all three facets. A team that doesn't look outmatched against any teams in the NFL- though there will of course be a couple ugly games. And, depending on injuries somewhere between 8-10 wins. Of course, if we lose Carr, Wade, Pitts, Dunta, Payne, etc... for most of the season then we may end up closer to 6. Settle down and enjoy the first season where we will have playoff hopes in December.

Humor beyond reason.....................

Based on the team play we have seen so far we will be lucky to make it to the .500 mark. So far there are no signs of cohesion on this ball club. My favorite quote is "If only they would execute". And then their are the amazing statements like he saw a lot of great things in the Dallas game. Well, going back to last season's Brown's game, we can say 3 of the last 4 have looked pretty bad and that might be an understatement. I supose that's what he means by understating.

dalemurphy
08-30-2005, 01:11 AM
Humor beyond reason.....................

Based on the team play we have seen so far we will be lucky to make it to the .500 mark. So far there are no signs of cohesion on this ball club. My favorite quote is "If only they would execute". And then their are the amazing statements like he saw a lot of great things in the Dallas game. Well, going back to last season's Brown's game, we can say 3 of the last 4 have looked pretty bad and that might be an understatement. I supose that's what he means by understating.


Preseason!!! I saw some great things Saturday as well. How about the fact that our Oline shoved the Dallas front 7 backwards on every run play in the first half. How about the fact that the pass protection was better than it's been since the team formed. How about the fact that we had 2 huge returns on special teams. How about the fact that the 1st team defense got pressure on Bledsoe. How about Peek beating Flozell Adams on an inside move and sacking Bledsoe. How about the fact that Dallas starting offensive unit played into the third quarter and never converted 1 third down attempt.

It can be true that the team played sloppy, that Carr was off-target, that Andre and Corey dropped some passes and that Roy Williams made Todd Wade look goofy on one play-- and at the same time, some very good things happened as well. The preseason isn't about winning games, it's about preparing for the regular season, grading/evaluating players, etc...

The Preacher
08-30-2005, 08:25 AM
[QUOTE=Ibar_Harry]Humor beyond reason.....................

Based on the team play we have seen so far we will be lucky to make it to the .500 mark. So far there are no signs of cohesion on this ball club.

How does anybody think they can remotely gauge the success of a 16 game season off of a handful of series in the preseason? The starters have basically played only one half of football. For one to recognize the level of cohesion in that amount of time seems impossible. :hmmm:

tsip
08-30-2005, 08:52 AM
[QUOTE=Ibar_Harry]Humor beyond reason.....................

Based on the team play we have seen so far we will be lucky to make it to the .500 mark. So far there are no signs of cohesion on this ball club.

How does anybody think they can remotely gauge the success of a 16 game season off of a handful of series in the preseason? The starters have basically played only one half of football. For one to recognize the level of cohesion in that amount of time seems impossible. :hmmm:

IMO, what we are seeing from the Texans is not a culmination of a few
plays but,rather, what exist after 3 years of playing together as a team.
The question for me is whether or not what we are seeing on the field is
an acceptable level of performance given the time factor of 3 years.
During their existence IMO, there has been little difference in results
between the preseason and the regular season--our level of play has been
basically the same. Hopefully, beginning on 9/11, this thought will change
and the Texans will be on their way to a great year! :texflag:

TheOgre
08-30-2005, 09:08 AM
Lets say he did get canned after this season (say we went 6-10), and the new coach wants to put in a 4-3 defense. Who would make up our front 7?

I guess it could be something like:

LE Gary Walker
LT Robaire Smith
RT Seth Payne/Travis Johnson
RE Jason Babin/Antwaan Peek
LLB ?
MLB Kailee Wong
RLB Morlon Greenwood

Would we have to draft a LLB? I have Walker pinned in as our LE, but could he pull it off? If not, could Smith, Johnson, or Payne play LE? Would we even think of putting Babin at LE at his size?

Double Barrel
08-30-2005, 11:24 AM
A "fire Capers" thread after only three seasons and three pre-season games?

You do realize that hiring a new HC takes us back to the beginning, yeah? A point, I might add, that requires the players to learn new systems and basically start from scratch.

At least give the coach a fourth season before breaking out the whine and cheese.

Such fairweather fans...tsk, tsk, tsk idonno:

Texas
08-30-2005, 11:28 AM
I beleive Capers is doing a fine job with the things he has been given. However our O LINE Coach and Defensive coordinator need to be given 1 more season and if no improvement is shown we need to rid of them because they have not proved themselves worthy of there job yet.

bckey
08-30-2005, 11:49 AM
A "fire Capers" thread after only three seasons and three pre-season games?

You do realize that hiring a new HC takes us back to the beginning, yeah? A point, I might add, that requires the players to learn new systems and basically start from scratch.

At least give the coach a fourth season before breaking out the whine and cheese.

Such fairweather fans...tsk, tsk, tsk idonno:


I have never understood why people are under the impression that a new HC puts us right back at the beginning. If you have a good team in place and a coach that is somewhat clueless and you bring in somebody that knows what to do with the personnel he has inherited then it can be a very positive change.

Calling someone a fairweather fan because they have a completely different opinion about the HC than you do is kind of ridiculous. You are no more a fan than anyone else on these boards...tsk, tsk, tsk :texflag:

Exascor
08-30-2005, 12:18 PM
If you have a good team in place and a coach that is somewhat clueless and you bring in somebody that knows what to do with the personnel he has inherited then it can be a very positive change.
Like:
Gruden? Sure he took a talented Bucs team (9-7 the previous year) to the Superbowl in his first season. Everyone was calling him the best young coach in football. Since then he's gone 7-9 and 5-11.
Gibbs maybe? Washington had easily the most fan-tastic offseasons over the past few seasons. Results are ugly.
Parcells? Awesome first year but he failed to post a record better than Capers last year. He's working on year 3. If he's successful then he only proves it does take time.

I'm not saying it can't happen but would say it'd be very rare for team that's considered "good" to give up on it's head coach and have the next coach come in and immediately improve the team for the longterm. Just like all coaches, Capers needs to win. I think he has a longer rope than most head coaches because of the expansion process. He has had MUCH less to start with than Parcells or Gibbs so he should get more time. How much time is up for debate but I'd place the number at 6 years. Less if the team collapses this season.

Bottom line: Coaches need talent to win.

bckey
08-30-2005, 12:27 PM
Like:
Gruden? Sure he took a talented Bucs team (9-7 the previous year) to the Superbowl in his first season. Everyone was calling him the best young coach in football. Since then he's gone 7-9 and 5-11.
Gibbs maybe? Washington had easily the most fan-tastic offseasons over the past few seasons. Results are ugly.
Parcells? Awesome first year but he failed to post a record better than Capers last year. He's working on year 3. If he's successful then he only proves it does take time.

I'm not saying it can't happen but would say it'd be very rare for team that's considered "good" to give up on it's head coach and have the next coach come in and immediately improve the team for the longterm. Just like all coaches, Capers needs to win. I think he has a longer rope than most head coaches because of the expansion process. He has had MUCH less to start with than Parcells or Gibbs so he should get more time. How much time is up for debate but I'd place the number at 6 years. Less if the team collapses this season.

Bottom line: Coaches need talent to win.

Save your breath. I have heard all that over and over and over again on these boards. It doesn't change my opinion of Capers. IMHO Capers is a DC that is out of place in a HC position.

Blake
08-30-2005, 01:05 PM
I have a question. If Capers is such a 3-4 Defensive Guru, why cant we get a decent pass rush? I mean, isnt this is forte?