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swisher
08-22-2005, 06:34 PM
Bears' Final Offer (http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/cs-050821bearsbits,1,5496085.story?coll=cs-bears-headlines)

What a way to start your NFL career.

Fiddy
08-22-2005, 06:58 PM
Wilboun on PTI made a good point. As a 1st round RB, you are only going to get one shot at a big contract because of the way you are going to be used. Take Edge for example, now that he is looking for big money everyone is saying that he is getting old and his "tires" are getting worn out. This is Benson's one chance to make the big money especailly since he is a back that will pound the ball between the tackles constantly...

Txn_in_Oki
08-22-2005, 07:04 PM
And it is also a chance for him to crash and burn and not play worth :twocents: and a sack full of hammers. Sorry, I just don't feel that a rookie who has never played a down in the pros has any place holding out.

Besides the Bears have played this game with a back before, does Curtis Enis ring a bell?

Huge
08-22-2005, 07:22 PM
Wilboun on PTI made a good point. As a 1st round RB, you are only going to get one shot at a big contract because of the way you are going to be used. Take Edge for example, now that he is looking for big money everyone is saying that he is getting old and his "tires" are getting worn out. This is Benson's one chance to make the big money especailly since he is a back that will pound the ball between the tackles constantly...
Agreed.

But Cedric is holding out because he thinks he should get a contract equivalent to that of Phillip Rivers' from last year because Rivers was the 4th overall pick. He's holding out thinking he's going to get a bigger contract than the 2nd overall pick who also happens to be a RB. It's simply not going to happen. What the Bears have offered is more than fair (more than what Cadillac Williams got from Tampa Bay, less than what Ronnie Brown got from Miami). Cedric's just being really stupid about this.

hot pickle
08-22-2005, 07:29 PM
like I said when the bears drafted him, he won't want to play for the bears
he was was kind of crying when he got drafted and, i said after that those were tears of sadness not of joy, but yall didnt believe me

Huge
08-22-2005, 07:42 PM
Troy Williamson was crying when he was drafted by the Vikings.

Same reason?

nunusguy
08-22-2005, 08:11 PM
This is Benson's one chance to make the big money especailly since he is a back that will pound the ball between the tackles constantly...
I'm fresh out of sympathy, everyone has signed but him and the market for
2005 is set. At this point I can only imagine that he msut be getting very
bad advise from his agent.

awtysst
08-22-2005, 08:19 PM
Wilboun on PTI made a good point. As a 1st round RB, you are only going to get one shot at a big contract because of the way you are going to be used. Take Edge for example, now that he is looking for big money everyone is saying that he is getting old and his "tires" are getting worn out. This is Benson's one chance to make the big money especailly since he is a back that will pound the ball between the tackles constantly...

FIne. However, isnt 17 million bucks in guranateed money "big money" in the NFL? I mean he is the 4th rd pick and a rb. He cannot expect to make more then the number 1, 2, or 3 picks. This offer is more then fair in my mind. In fact if I was Chicago I would consider cutting he offer every week he is not there.

awtysst
08-22-2005, 08:21 PM
Question: If he does not sign with the Bears what would happen? Does he go back into the draft or does he become a FA and able to sign with anyone? Perhaps this is a passive agressive attempt to not play for Chicago?

texasguy346
08-22-2005, 08:59 PM
... everyone has signed but him and the market for
2005 is set. At this point I can only imagine that he msut be getting very
bad advise from his agent.

I tend to agree with you about that. I think it was 610 that asked Charlie Casserley about this, and he didn't want to get into details but basically said they start out by showing the player and his agent how the contracts have increased by percentages for the past several years for guys picked in a similar position. They then make a contract offer accordingly, and if they're receptive to it then the deal gets done fairly quickly. However, once the players around the pick start getting signed and everyone starts to get slotted they make a contract offer according to the players drafted around the draft pick and dont budge much out of that realm whether it's more or less (generally less than offered before). I heard the interview a few days ago so I might have missed a few details but that was the meat of it. Ced isn't going to get the Bears to budge much now that everyone around him is signed.

nunusguy
08-22-2005, 09:18 PM
However, once the players around the pick start getting signed and everyone starts to get slotted they make a contract offer according to the players drafted around the draft pick and dont budge much out of that realm
Precisely. The #3 pick, B.Edwards with the Lions and the #5 pick, C.Williams with the Bucs is the Markets range set for Benson: #5 money is the floor and #3 money is the ceiling. Pretty simple right ? Should be, but apparently Benson wants as much or more than Edwards is getting and I can't blame the Bears for telling him to take a hike.

Fiddy
08-22-2005, 09:41 PM
Question: If he does not sign with the Bears what would happen? Does he go back into the draft or does he become a FA and able to sign with anyone? Perhaps this is a passive agressive attempt to not play for Chicago? He will go back into the draft next year...

I heard that he is still using his agent that he used when he signed the minor league deal to play for the Rockies. Baseball agents are so hard-headed that he could also be a factor...

I tend to agree with you about that. I think it was 610 that asked Charlie Casserley about this, and he didn't want to get into details but basically said they start out by showing the player and his agent how the contracts have increased by percentages for the past several years for guys picked in a similar position. They then make a contract offer accordingly, and if they're receptive to it then the deal gets done fairly quickly. However, once the players around the pick start getting signed and everyone starts to get slotted they make a contract offer according to the players drafted around the draft pick and dont budge much out of that realm whether it's more or less (generally less than offered before). I heard the interview a few days ago so I might have missed a few details but that was the meat of it. Ced isn't going to get the Bears to budge much now that everyone around him is signed. The problem may also be the percent increase because a QB was the 4th pick (Rivers) last year and may have gotten more money than the 3rd pick (Fitzgarald) but I'm not sure what the contracts were so i'll have to find that out. Benson may be trying to get the full percent increase but since he is going off of QB money, the Bears may not want to give him the full increase.

Sticky situation, I hope he signs soon...

OzzO
08-22-2005, 09:49 PM
like I said when the bears drafted him, he won't want to play for the bears
he was was kind of crying when he got drafted and, i said after that those were tears of sadness not of joy, but yall didnt believe me

WWED

What Would Eli Do? :rolleyes:

281
08-22-2005, 10:09 PM
like I said when the bears drafted him, he won't want to play for the bears
he was was kind of crying when he got drafted and, i said after that those were tears of sadness not of joy, but yall didnt believe me

Dunta cried like a baby when we drafted him.

hot pickle
08-23-2005, 12:03 AM
alright im gonna, appoligize for that comment, but to me it looked like benson wasnt to happy to be drafted by the bears and him not signing yet, maked me think that i was right,

so sorry if it offended anyone

Youngstown Colt
08-23-2005, 12:12 AM
He was crying because he made it, I'm sure most appreciated that

Davis37
08-23-2005, 02:45 AM
I like Ced Benson, and think that he will do good things for the Bears when they sign him. I think he is acting very um... "metally challenged" right now. All he is doing is losing "value" by holding out. If he didnt want to play for the Bears he could have "pulled an Eli" on them. All he is doing now is pissing off the team that drafted him, in turn getting worse offers than before. His trade value is also dropping because he is now getting a bad rep. He needs to get a new agent and sign a contract before he makes an even bigger fool out of himself. Im just glad that we havent have any players pull this kind of crap with the Texans yet (knock on wood)

PapaL
08-23-2005, 06:44 AM
Question: If he does not sign with the Bears what would happen? Does he go back into the draft or does he become a FA and able to sign with anyone? Perhaps this is a passive agressive attempt to not play for Chicago?

We would enter next years draft. Its been done a few times before. I dont think the blame is only on the player, the agent is also to blame. But honestly, would you want to play for the Bears if you were him? In theory he could not sign with them, enter next years draft and probably still be a top 5 pick. He has run the ball a lot in his career, maybe a year off wouldn't be so bad for him.

Grid
08-23-2005, 09:12 AM
17 million is more than most people make in a lifetime. take your huge paycheck and play ball fool.

TheOgre
08-23-2005, 10:10 AM
like I said when the bears drafted him, he won't want to play for the bears
he was was kind of crying when he got drafted and, i said after that those were tears of sadness not of joy, but yall didnt believe me

I still don't believe you.

I think he was happy to be drafted 4th overall after all of the critics said he was too slow and had been run into the ground at Texas.

Now he is trying to get the money that he thinks he deserves. He is delusional in that regard. Hopefully he comes to his senses soon.

BigBull17
08-23-2005, 10:14 AM
I wouldnt be suprised to see the bears trade his rights for a QB and a Rb

Ihategeeks
08-23-2005, 10:52 AM
The Bears are holding Thomas Jones over him, like Thomas Jones would be a fine player and they don't need to bend over backwards to sign Benson.

Benson and his agent pretty much are laughing at that threat. They drafted him #4 overall, they want the cash for #4 overall.

They know Jones isn't a starter, The Benson camp knows Jones isn't a starter.
But the Ownership is trying the damndest to use it as leverage in making a deal.
But it's not working.

Think if Mike Williams for the Lions tried to get #10 money, the Lions would use Charles Rogers and Roy Williams as leverage. Which from Mike Williams small contract, I would bet that is what they did.

But the Difference with the Lions, is Charles Rogers and Roy Williams actaully have the potential to be superstars.

Thomas Jones has the potential to disapoint a team year, after year, after year, after year and get traded.

Once the Bears stop jerking around offering Boola Boola contracts with no real cash in them and trying to use THomas Jones as justification, Benson will sign.

BigBull17
08-23-2005, 11:18 AM
The offer made by the bears is more than enough money for a guy who hasnt taken an NFL snap. Its one thing for guys like Jevon Walker and ..... TO to hold out they have proven they have what it takes. He needs to sign on or wait till next year and reenter the draft. But for a RB to get one year older will hurt him in the long run.

Huge
08-23-2005, 11:22 AM
Benson and his agent pretty much are laughing at that threat. They drafted him #4 overall, they want the cash for #4 overall.
The Bears have offered $17 million guaranteed. That's more than Carnell Williams' $15 million as the 5th pick and less than Ronnie Brown's $20 million as the 2nd pick.

So how is the $17 million (again, that's just the guaranteed part of the contract) not 4th overall money? Because Phillip Rivers got a different deal as a QB that was selected 4th overall but was eventually traded for the 1st overall pick?

TheOgre
08-23-2005, 11:27 AM
Thomas Jones has the potential to disapoint a team year, after year, after year, after year and get traded.

He sucked in Arizona but he was good in 2003 with the Bucs, and he was the only thing worthy of mentioning from the 2004 Bear's offense. They drafted Benson because he is an elite power back that fits well with Ron Turner's offense. It is similar to the fact that the Bills drafted McGahee inspite of having Travis Henry. Henry and Jones are both solid backs but neither of them has the potential to be a first-tier back. Obviously the Bears think Benson can be that.

Haams
08-23-2005, 12:59 PM
Let's be honest, Ced deserves more money then Ronnie Brown. Chicago doesn't have a QB, and even when they had half a QB they made it clear their offense was going to be pounding Benson between the tackles. He is being asked to step in from day 1 and carry the team. I imagine his agent is pointing out to him that he is going to lose the use of his knees after pounding the ball up the middle for an entire carreer, so he better get paid for it. That said, it's time for Ced to tell his agent to take a hike. He needs to get in camp and with his teammates. The part that pisses me off is that he made a point of cutting his dreds to cut the comparisons with Ricky, then the first thing he pulls in the pro's is this crap. I believe there has to be a compromise, and it's high time to find it. How about ask the Bears to add incentives to the contract they've offered? I'd say proving himself on the field, say getting 1400 yards rushing, would be worth a few extra dollars. He could have the guaranteed money, with a chance to earn what he's asking for.

Huge
08-23-2005, 01:09 PM
Eh, no he doesn't. There's a reason Brown was the 2nd overall pick of the Dolphins...they were a worse team than Chicago. Last I checked, Miami doesn't have a QB either.

Besides, if he deserves more money than Brown, he'll get it with his second contract. But his first one? Absoutely not.

Haams
08-23-2005, 01:19 PM
Ronnie isn't being asked to carry the team. He is not being asked to run right through the biggest guys on the feild, play after play. He also has a teammate named Ricky Williams. If Ricky's not traded, he will be the starter by the end of the season.

Haams
08-23-2005, 01:29 PM
Let me reiterate - I think Ced was justified in asking for more money. I think he was justified in having a hold out. I think there was a time about a week and a half ago where he needed to take whatever was on the table, get into camp, meet his teammates, prove to the team, the management, and the fans that he is there to win football games, and start working on making sure he can get big money when they re-sign him. Look at Shaun Alexander, he doesn't make much money (comparatively), but he's about to. You gotta know when to hold 'em, you gotta know when to fold 'em.

Youngstown Colt
08-23-2005, 01:33 PM
But the Difference with the Lions, is Charles Rogers and Roy Williams actaully have the potential to be superstars.

Thomas Jones has the potential to disapoint a team year, after year, after year, after year and get traded.And how has Charles Rogers proved he doesn't belong in the second category?

infantrycak
08-23-2005, 01:35 PM
Let me reiterate - I think Ced was justified in asking for more money. I think he was justified in having a hold out.

And Rivers was justified in asking for #1 money last year? Nope, but the team semi-caved in and paid him more than his slot and have created this problem. Benson isn't justified in demanding anything above the #3 guy--he can do it, but there is no "justification" for it that holds water. Waaahhh, I am a RB going to a team that is actually going to run the ball doesn't cut it.

Haams
08-23-2005, 01:50 PM
Waaahhh, I am a RB going to a team that is actually going to run the ball doesn't cut it.

No, but pounding the ball down the middle, which is his style, will take an incredible toll on his body. He's going to start doing it from the first day he steps on the feild about 30 times a game. I'm guessing he's not going to have a very long career, so I think he is justified in asking for as much as he can in the years he has. It there was more of a team in place - maybe another running back who can handle a few carries, or a quarterback who could occasionally throw the ball - the situation would be different. From what I've heard, the Bears are basically asking Cedric to be the offense. That's a big load to carry, and something most rookie running back are not asked to do.

Blake
08-23-2005, 02:03 PM
Whether or not Benson runs inside or out, or the Bears use him 30 times a game shouldnt affect his salary.

Benson is saying he should get X amount of cash, for running the ball a ton? But if you get injured, should be bears be able to say you get X amount of cash for getting injured and not playing?

Just take what #4 got last year, plus a little more, since rookie contracts do that, and be done with it...

TheOgre
08-23-2005, 02:13 PM
He deserves about the average of the #3 and #5 contracts.

The situation with Rivers was a bit different. The team still had the allocation of 1st round money given to it since it drafted the #1 slot overall. Even though they traded Manning, that cap allocation stayed with them. While I don't think Rivers deserved to be paid like a #1 overall pick, I also don't think that the money should just disappear from the entire rookie pool. They should change the rule so that players traded prior to signing transfer their rookie pool slot with them.

Huge
08-23-2005, 02:44 PM
Ronnie isn't being asked to carry the team. He is not being asked to run right through the biggest guys on the feild, play after play. He also has a teammate named Ricky Williams. If Ricky's not traded, he will be the starter by the end of the season.
I think you're exaggerating what is expected of Benson...by a large amount.

Let me reiterate - I think Ced was justified in asking for more money. I think he was justified in having a hold out. I think there was a time about a week and a half ago where he needed to take whatever was on the table, get into camp, meet his teammates, prove to the team, the management, and the fans that he is there to win football games, and start working on making sure he can get big money when they re-sign him. Look at Shaun Alexander, he doesn't make much money (comparatively), but he's about to. You gotta know when to hold 'em, you gotta know when to fold 'em.
Let me reiterate - The 4th overall pick is not going to get more money than the 2nd overall pick. Nor does he deserve it. Especially not when they play the same position.

No, but pounding the ball down the middle, which is his style, will take an incredible toll on his body. He's going to start doing it from the first day he steps on the feild about 30 times a game. I'm guessing he's not going to have a very long career, so I think he is justified in asking for as much as he can in the years he has. It there was more of a team in place - maybe another running back who can handle a few carries, or a quarterback who could occasionally throw the ball - the situation would be different. From what I've heard, the Bears are basically asking Cedric to be the offense. That's a big load to carry, and something most rookie running back are not asked to do.
So he should be paid more over the first 5 years of his career because he may not last as long as the other RBs? Are you kidding?

There is another RB in place. A proven one at that. Not somebody that's going to replace Cedric but certainly somebody that can share the load. There's also a QB in place. If he can't stay healthy, Kyle Orton has shown a great deal of promise. You think the Bears should cave in to a 5 year demand because their QB is out for one year? Did they not sign Mushin Muhammad in the off-season? Did they not draft Mark Bradley (who's looked incredible so far) in the 2nd round?

Let's not pretend Cedric is walking into the same situation as Ricky Williams when he came in the league and was a team's lone off-season aquisition.

WildBlackBear32
08-23-2005, 02:54 PM
Come on guys, I don't want to hear all this about Ced's shelf life as being a bruiser. Even IF he is forced to retire before he was 30, he'd have made enough money for himself and his entire family. Hell, he could sign the contract on the table, play it out, retire AND STILL have himself and his family set for life. I'm a huge Benson fan, but I'm a bit pissed at this.

Blake
08-23-2005, 03:33 PM
He deserves about the average of the #3 and #5 contracts.

The situation with Rivers was a bit different. The team still had the allocation of 1st round money given to it since it drafted the #1 slot overall. Even though they traded Manning, that cap allocation stayed with them. While I don't think Rivers deserved to be paid like a #1 overall pick, I also don't think that the money should just disappear from the entire rookie pool. They should change the rule so that players traded prior to signing transfer their rookie pool slot with them.

I understand your point. Another aspect that needs to be factored in, is guaranteed money, and incentives. We have no idea what the contract looks like.

TheOgre
08-23-2005, 03:54 PM
The next collective bargaining agreement, the management and players need to hard code the salary for each slot in the draft like they do in the NBA. They could change it so that the veterans get more of the pie than these unproven rookies. That would also all but eliminate holdouts. There would also have to be some rule that the contract could not be renogotiated until the final year of it. Otherwise a rookie would sign and immediately hold out for a renegotiation.

Marcus
08-23-2005, 04:06 PM
We would enter next years draft. Its been done a few times before. I dont think the blame is only on the player, the agent is also to blame. But honestly, would you want to play for the Bears if you were him? In theory he could not sign with them, enter next years draft and probably still be a top 5 pick. He has run the ball a lot in his career, maybe a year off wouldn't be so bad for him.

I hope Benson is not stupid enough to think that he would be a top 5 pick in next year's draft. If his agent is telling him that, and he's buying into it . . . God help him!

No NFL GM is going to waste a top 5 pick on a running back with a year full of rust. No way!

PapaL
08-23-2005, 05:04 PM
Full year of rust? The guy is 23 now. Mike Williams sat out all last year, was picked 10th and has had no where near as much production as Benson. So maybe not top 5, top 10. Not like the guy is going to sit around all year eating cheetos. Football is his livelihood..

Huge
08-23-2005, 05:23 PM
Yeah but if he sits out a full year, you better believe teams will shy away from him because of "signability" issues. And next year's RB class could look pretty sweet even w/o Benson.

infantrycak
08-23-2005, 05:30 PM
Full year of rust? The guy is 23 now. Mike Williams sat out all last year, was picked 10th and has had no where near as much production as Benson. So maybe not top 5, top 10. Not like the guy is going to sit around all year eating cheetos. Football is his livelihood..

As Huge points out, Williams didn't sit out a year because he refused to play/sign so it is completely different. Think about it--you are a GM next year. Are you really going to take him top 4 after a year off? If not, how are you going to respond when you sign him at #9 and he says, "but I was a #4 draft pick, you have to pay me that way?" Basically he needs to stop being a horse's rear end and get into camp, oops that isn't possible, get to his team.

TD
08-23-2005, 06:39 PM
The next collective bargaining agreement, the management and players need to hard code the salary for each slot in the draft like they do in the NBA. They could change it so that the veterans get more of the pie than these unproven rookies. That would also all but eliminate holdouts. There would also have to be some rule that the contract could not be renogotiated until the final year of it. Otherwise a rookie would sign and immediately hold out for a renegotiation.

I agree. But for that to happen there is going to have to be some kind of guarantee on contracts. The way they're done now is just silly.

PapaL
08-23-2005, 06:45 PM
We're talking about 1 years worth of rust, not signability (which I agree). Marcus said 'No NFL GM is going to waste a top 5 pick on a running back with a year full of rust." I say Williams sat out a year and will play just fine this year. If Benson sits out the year, its not like he's going to forget how to run the ball.

awtysst
08-23-2005, 07:27 PM
I wonder if this is his way of "pulling an eli" and getting out of chicago?

Huge
08-23-2005, 08:18 PM
We're talking about 1 years worth of rust, not signability (which I agree). Huge said 'No NFL GM is going to waste a top 5 pick on a running back with a year full of rust." I say Williams sat out a year and will play just fine this year. If Benson sits out the year, its not like he's going to forget how to run the ball.
Wasn't me. I said he'd have signability issues...which would be true.

Combine that with him sitting out a year and he'll fall. Maybe not real far but you better believe he'll fall further than the 4th overall pick. And his contract isn't going to be any bigger next year than what he'd get this year. Chances are, it'd be a lot smaller.

PapaL
08-23-2005, 08:48 PM
Wasn't me. I said he'd have signability issues...which would be true.

Combine that with him sitting out a year and he'll fall. Maybe not real far but you better believe he'll fall further than the 4th overall pick. And his contract isn't going to be any bigger next year than what he'd get this year. Chances are, it'd be a lot smaller.
I am in error, my fault Huge. Shoud have read Marcus. My fault...

TexansCanes
08-23-2005, 09:00 PM
Ronnie isn't being asked to carry the team. He is not being asked to run right through the biggest guys on the feild, play after play. He also has a teammate named Ricky Williams. If Ricky's not traded, he will be the starter by the end of the season.

you make it seem like the dolphins are all-world, their is a reason why they drafted ahead of chi-town. atleast the bears went out and got some weapons for the offense in the off-season. grossman got hurt but hutchinson and gus frerotte or feely will put up similar numbers. is ronnie going to have to run the ball 30 times like ceb is "suppose" to, i don't know but i will tell you that he will be the feature back and will get about 20-25 a game atleast. ced will also share some carries with thomas "the worst rb ever according to the texans board" jones who can take some of the hits up the middle. as for ricky being the starter at the end of the year, my experience of nick saban will tell me that this will happen if he is the only rb on the team (if ronnie and lamar gordon get hurt)

BigBull17
08-24-2005, 09:37 AM
Full year of rust? The guy is 23 now. Mike Williams sat out all last year, was picked 10th and has had no where near as much production as Benson. So maybe not top 5, top 10. Not like the guy is going to sit around all year eating cheetos. Football is his livelihood..

But WR isnt RB. The Longevity of the two positions isnt even in the same ballpark. At RB you have 6-8 years of good solid production. After that you lose a step, injuries last longer, ect. WR's can last a long time ,9-10 years, so sitting on the shelf isnt as detrimenta for Williams as it is for Bensen. Plus williams sat out for a much "better reason", he was totally unable to play do to a stupid ruling, not refused to sign because he didnt like his team. This will hurt him in the long run.
:texflag:

Marcus
08-25-2005, 10:30 AM
Man, this guy . . . . I don't know. :shocked

I stumbled across this (http://www.dailysouthtown.com/southtown/columns/arvia/x24-ard1.htm) on the main NFL message board.
Oh, speaking of what he's doing, a Texas-based journalist is reporting that Benson has put a house he purchased in Libertyville shortly after the draft back on the market, and has had a pair of cars shipped back to his home state. Call those the counter moves to Jerry Angelo's ill conceived "final offer" press release.

Pretty interesting article about the small percentage of all the football players that make it to the NFL. I've always suspected that Benson wasn't all that interested in playing in the NFL. Of course, he wants that big signing bonus.

But this guy is actually dumber than Maurice Clarett and Ricky Williams.

Just imagine if you were a Chicago Bears fan right now.

z0rpAn
08-25-2005, 10:35 AM
And I remember a LOT of us texans fans wanting to get him :dontknowa :thud:

Blake
08-25-2005, 11:01 AM
And I remember a LOT of us texans fans wanting to get him :dontknowa :thud:


You make it sound like we would have had the same outcome with him. Yeah, alot of us did want him, and for good reason.

Reddevil63
08-25-2005, 12:00 PM
Chicago Sun Times (http://www.suntimes.com/output/mariotti/cst-spt-jay25.html)


Bears, not Benson, lose in blinking contest

August 25, 2005

BY JAY MARIOTTI SUN-TIMES COLUMNIST
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Is it possible Cedric Benson, who is smarter and more thoughtful than folks in Chicago know, simply doesn't want to play for the Bears? That he has had a whiff of the Halas Hall experience and prefers to sit out the season and cast his future lot elsewhere? If I were a premier, young running back and knew the tortured track record of Rashaan Salaam and Curtis Enis, then grasped the enormous pressure to fill cleat marks in the city of Walter Payton and Gale Sayers, I might blow off $17 million in guaranteed money, too.

BigBull17
08-25-2005, 12:14 PM
I wouldnt touch that brat with a ten foot pole. I was one of the people who wanted us to trade up to get him. He showed that he couldnt handle adversity in any way. The Bears should trade his rights for a decent back and QB and get on with their lives.

Reddevil63
08-25-2005, 12:22 PM
Benson for Ragone, staight up :pigfly: :bag:

BigBull17
08-25-2005, 12:24 PM
Benson for Ragone, staight up :
Well lets be nice and throw in Hollings and make it Banks. Its a good deal for them :drool:

hot pickle
08-25-2005, 01:21 PM
I wonder if he would still hold out if he would of gottin drafted by a different team

Hervoyel
08-25-2005, 01:28 PM
Well lets be nice and throw in Hollings and make it Banks. Its a good deal for them :drool:


They'd never do it but I swear, I'd do it in a heartbeat. Hell I'd throw in Fred Weary too.

Blake
08-25-2005, 01:36 PM
Just give them our #1 for next years draft. We will be bottom half in the draft. So, lets give them it for Benson. ;)

20$ says they will work out a deal soon.

awtysst
08-25-2005, 03:40 PM
Just give them our #1 for next years draft. We will be bottom half in the draft. So, lets give them it for Benson. ;)

20$ says they will work out a deal soon.


No, no no. We need our number one pick next year to draft a LT. We already have Dom Davis and Morency here, what will we do with benson? As interestign as it might sound, a three back system just does not work.

z0rpAn
08-25-2005, 04:17 PM
No, no no. We need our number one pick next year to draft a LT. We already have Dom Davis and Morency here, what will we do with benson? As interestign as it might sound, a three back system just does not work.

Well we could put one at QB like atlanta does...

WildBlackBear32
08-25-2005, 04:21 PM
Just give them our #1 for next years draft. We will be bottom half in the draft. So, lets give them it for Benson. ;)

20$ says they will work out a deal soon.

Ragone and a 3rd would probably get it done...

Blake
08-25-2005, 04:25 PM
No, no no. We need our number one pick next year to draft a LT. We already have Dom Davis and Morency here, what will we do with benson? As interestign as it might sound, a three back system just does not work.

You you really think a franchise LT is going to drop to the 20's?

Winston, Ferguson, and .... ahhhh.... whats his name from Auburn, will go top 10-12. IMO

TheOgre
08-25-2005, 04:31 PM
You you really think a franchise LT is going to drop to the 20's?

Winston, Ferguson, and .... ahhhh.... whats his name from Auburn, will go top 10-12. IMO

Yes but combine our 2006 1st (20ish) with your 2007 1st and that gets you into the mix for one of those LT's. We have to get one while the gettin' is good.

Lucky
08-25-2005, 04:39 PM
The Bears lost the ability to trade Benson's rights after August 12th. If they had traded Benson's rights to say the Texans, the Texans would have to sign Benson to whatever was left in their rookie salary pool. In other words, stop daydreaming.

ThaShark316
08-25-2005, 04:55 PM
Rumor is going around that he's going to sit out 2005 and reenter the draft for 2006.

If that's the case..then benson is on his way to hittin the pipe with Sticky Icky Ricky and Randy Moss.

keyfro
08-26-2005, 08:38 AM
you know i heard from the justice/mcclain show that it's not 17 million garentee it's more like 4 million...the bears are apparently really offering him a contract that's lower than cadillac who was picked after him...so don't judge too hard if you don't have all the facts...benson will be one heck of a RB once he is signed

BigBull17
08-26-2005, 09:37 AM
Well we could put one at QB like atlanta does...
LOL. But lets hope hes not spotted in herpies clinics.

TheOgre
08-26-2005, 09:43 AM
Ron Mexico!!!

Huge
08-26-2005, 10:12 AM
Does anybody remember or even care that Ladanian Tomlinson held out as long (if not longer) as Benson?

PapaL
08-26-2005, 12:46 PM
LT Hold out: (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/news/2001/08/21/tomlinson_signs_banks/)
Tomlinson missed the first 30 days of the Chargers' training camp, including two preseason games.

Benson has missed all of training camp.....

Huge
08-26-2005, 01:06 PM
Chicago's Training Camp started July 25th. That was 33 days ago.

Tomlinson - 30 days
Benson - 33 days (so far)

I see a really big difference there.

disaacks3
08-26-2005, 01:38 PM
Chicago's Training Camp started July 25th. That was 33 days ago.

Tomlinson - 30 days
Benson - 33 days (so far)

I see a really big difference there.

From the Article you quoted...
Tomlinson, the fifth overall pick in the 2001 NFL Draft, is the second-to-last NFL first-rounder to come to terms. Only Missouri defensive end Justin Smith, the No. 4 pick by Cincinnati, remains unsigned.

Obviously, that had some bearing on the salary "slot". Benson, by waiting to be the last signed, has had his "slot" defined FOR him. Not an apples-to-apples comparison there.

Huge
08-26-2005, 02:21 PM
I realize you quoted me but was that intended for me? I didn't quote an article.

But I agree what you mean by having your slot defined for you. It should be as easy as taking the average of the 3rd and 5th picks' contract and signing as the 4th pick.

But who's to say the Bears are offering this? All we know (and really don't have evidence of it) is that they're offering $17 million guaranteed. We don't know if that comes with a 5 or 6 year contract (although I read somewhere they've given up on it being a 6 year deal) that might average out to be a lot less than what the 5th pick is getting over the course of his 5 year contract.

disaacks3
08-26-2005, 02:53 PM
I realize you quoted me but was that intended for me? I didn't quote an article.

But I agree what you mean by having your slot defined for you. It should be as easy as taking the average of the 3rd and 5th picks' contract and signing as the 4th pick.

But who's to say the Bears are offering this? All we know (and really don't have evidence of it) is that they're offering $17 million guaranteed. We don't know if that comes with a 5 or 6 year contract (although I read somewhere they've given up on it being a 6 year deal) that might average out to be a lot less than what the 5th pick is getting over the course of his 5 year contract. Sorry, that was LCROD's link, not yours. The point is still the same though. LT's situation wasn't as "locked in" as Benson's is.

I do agree that we don't really know what the offer from the Bears truly is, but he's being allotted (somehow) $17 mil, which would fall within his "slot".

IMHO Benson is getting BAD advice from his agent IF he's being told to let the Bears organization "blink" first.

BattleRedRaider
08-26-2005, 06:35 PM
Benson should just sign already. So the media can go back to talking about Grossman.

It's not like I try to hate on UT and their players, but when you got Benson holding out when all the other top rookies are signed and Ricky Williams playing again so he can pay off the money he owes the Dolphins, what is there to do?

And it's not just because I'm going to Texas Tech in a couple of years.

MYDAUGHTER'STEXANS
08-27-2005, 01:07 AM
If you ask me Cedric needs to play football and stop watching Terrell Owens and some other ball players that want to feed thier family lobster tails instead of happy meals. PLAY FOOTBALL CEDRIC

Huge
08-27-2005, 08:52 AM
The point is still the same though. LT's situation wasn't as "locked in" as Benson's is.

I do agree that we don't really know what the offer from the Bears truly is, but he's being allotted (somehow) $17 mil, which would fall within his "slot".

IMHO Benson is getting BAD advice from his agent IF he's being told to let the Bears organization "blink" first.

If he's being allotted $17 million over 6 years (just an example), then that doesn't fall within his slot if the other players' guaranteed salaries covered 5 years.

Guaranteed money (other than the signing bonus) in salaries is a relatively new thing that started around the time Vick signed his first deal. But that doesn't make it the meat of the contract.

I think a big problem is that Braylon Edwards' contract calls for him to make more money than Alex Smith within the first few years. Cedric is wanting something a lot closer to what Edwards has while the Bears are offering somethign that's a lot closer to Cadillac Williams' contract and they can't/won't agree to anything in the middle.

I totally agree Cedric is being greedy based on what I've read/heard. But because we haven't read/heard all the details, I have no problems assuming the Bears organization is being greedy as well.

Benson should just sign already. So the media can go back to talking about Grossman.

It's not like I try to hate on UT and their players, but when you got Benson holding out when all the other top rookies are signed and Ricky Williams playing again so he can pay off the money he owes the Dolphins, what is there to do?

And it's not just because I'm going to Texas Tech in a couple of years.

If you're looking for something to do, you can discuss Vincent Meeks violating his probation. (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=2142156)

If you ask me Cedric needs to play football and stop watching Terrell Owens and some other ball players that want to feed thier family lobster tails instead of happy meals. PLAY FOOTBALL CEDRIC

I simply disagree. If he's not being offered a fair contract (by fair, I mean compared to the other players selected before/after him), he should hold out.

And if you ask any player in the league, they'll tell you the same thing. Because they understand that their market is effected by how other contracts are dealt with. If Cedric agrees to be low-balled, then the market just got lowered for when it comes time for other players to negotiate.

DoCt3rJ
08-27-2005, 04:03 PM
Cedric is wanting the money he is deserved at his slot, he wants to play.. he showed up at Bears training camp facility for about 30min a few days ago.

awtysst
08-28-2005, 09:11 PM
According to Fox Chicago, Benson ends his 36 day holdout and signs with the Bears. I will give more details as I hear them.

awtysst
08-28-2005, 09:14 PM
ESPN has an article

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2145521

"Benson, the No. 4 overall pick in this year's draft, was the last remaining first-round pick to sign. Financial terms were not available but reports said the Bears had offered a contract that contained $17 million in guaranteed money to the former Texas star."

Fldvldog
08-28-2005, 09:16 PM
'Bout time!

Derek
08-29-2005, 12:42 AM
Yeah it definately is about time he signed. I hope Chicago didn't offer him more after they stated they laid down the maximum offer.

Huge
08-29-2005, 10:13 AM
If they were low balling him to begin with, I hope they offered him a lot more than what they said was their final offer.

F-minus67
08-29-2005, 10:24 AM
This question is off topic, but has Pollack signned with the bengals yet?

Blake
08-29-2005, 03:45 PM
This question is off topic, but has Pollack signned with the bengals yet?

Benson was the longest holdout. Jones, and Pollack signed a week ago I think.

Huge
08-29-2005, 09:15 PM
I think Cedric was the next to last player to sign. I think Richie Incognito is still unsigned.

Blake
08-30-2005, 09:50 AM
I think Cedric was the next to last player to sign. I think Richie Incognito is still unsigned.

We are talking about first rounders here. Cedric was the last player to sign a contract from the first 32 players.

Huge
08-30-2005, 02:09 PM
We are talking about first rounders here. Cedric was the last player to sign a contract from the first 32 players.
Where was that (talking about first rounders) specified?

I'm aware he was the last first rounder to sign. I was pointing out that he was also the next to last draft selection (regardless of which round) to sign.