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JacksonvilleJaguar4
08-21-2005, 12:21 AM
I know it's pre-season but the Texans-Raiders game was aired in my area and I watched it just to see how the Texans are shapping up for the season and I gotta say Carr really impressed me tonight. It may just be because I havn't acctualy seen alot of Texan games but David although he had to run out of the pocket on some plays he looked real sharp to me, 6 of 8 for 43 yards and a TD may not be the most impressive of stats to some people but just watching how Carr handled his heel, running around like he did and how he rifled those passes man! he displayed a lot of guts out there tonight, he reminded me of Brett Favre tonight.

Trapped
08-21-2005, 12:32 AM
I know it's pre-season but the Texans-Raiders game was aired in my area and I watched it just to see how the Texans are shapping up for the season and I gotta say Carr really impressed me tonight. It may just be because I havn't acctualy seen alot of Texan games but David although he had to run out of the pocket on some plays he looked real sharp to me, 6 of 8 for 43 yards and a TD may not be the most impressive of stats to some people but just watching how Carr handled his heel, running around like he did and how he rifled those passes man! he displayed a lot of guts out there tonight, he reminded me of Brett Favre tonight.
Wow, just wow. Ur always welcomed here man,for calling him a young Brett Favre and all. Ur the only Jags fan i can admit i like.

JacksonvilleJaguar4
08-21-2005, 12:45 AM
well thanks for the warm welcome I highly respect the Texans and they have some really good players look forward to playing you guys this year, I think they really should make the Texans and Jaguars a primetime game I think it would be more intresting to watch than most of em' and as for the Favre-Carr comparison it's because he displayed alot of Favre charecteristics (I know I am way off on the spelling of that) he showed Courage, Toughness, a cannon arm, mobility etc etc he was fun to watch tonight.

bckey
08-21-2005, 12:49 AM
How is Matt Jones looking in preseason so far?

texan279
08-21-2005, 12:51 AM
Jones made a helluva catch in tonight's game...he had 2 catches for 48 yards I think it was...

JacksonvilleJaguar4
08-21-2005, 02:12 AM
ummm Matt Jones is having a decent preseason but our big camp surprise is Reggie Williams and Chad Owens, they have really have impressed me I'm also happy that Byron had a good game every preseason the Byron haters arise from their graves and bash Byron which I believe might also happen on this board with Carr, Byron went 14-21 for I think around 120-140 yards or so (not sure) but hopefully he'll keep those numbers up the Byron haters will shut up, but things are looking well in place for us, now it's onto the Falcons.

Blake
08-21-2005, 02:56 AM
Damn AFC south just keeps getting better and better.

Carr takes our team from a C, to a B+. He is the only reason we talk playoffs around here. Carr gives us that run/pass QB that is feared around the league. He looked good against the raiders tonight.

Byron seems to have to many options now. No matter who he throws to, he has a TD threat on the other end of his passes. Kinda freaks me out a bit that we have to play them, and the Colts two times a year...

Grid
08-21-2005, 02:58 AM
Good news is that we have the best secondary in the division :highfive:

JacksonvilleJaguar4
08-21-2005, 03:37 AM
I'm looking forward to the AFC South this year, it's a strong division I can't wait get the popcorn ready!!!!

wags
08-21-2005, 10:45 AM
Carr did look pretty good. He was making good reads, threw the ball to the right side of the receiver, and actually had good pocket presence. Read that again please all you Carr haters. Good pocket presence.

El Tejano
08-21-2005, 12:00 PM
Actually Vinny has mentioned quite a bit about Carr needing to improve his pocket presence. Vinny, I was wondering your take on Carr so far.

nunusguy
08-21-2005, 12:41 PM
Good news is that we have the best secondary in the division :highfive:
I thought PB looked much better this week than last. In the Broncos game he was tentative and hung back. Last night I thought he was mcuh more physical and aggressive, so hopefully he's not a totally finesse type like his hero Primetime. Deon was such a great cover corner, but I've seen few NFL football players who were so totally unwilling to hit anybody.

JacksonvilleJaguar4
08-21-2005, 02:14 PM
yeah it was fun to watch David play tonight I would be exeicted about Carr, if I was you guys

Jwwillis
08-21-2005, 02:36 PM
Carr will go as far as his o-line can take him.

Lucky
08-21-2005, 04:35 PM
Palmer is taking advantage of Carr's mobility by getting him outside the pocket. They tried that early last season with good results. But an ankle nick slowed Carr, and the Texans got away from moving him away from the pocket (intentionally). I'm not sure how much the O-line will improve, but keeping Carr on the move will help them tremendously. Right now, Palmer is letting Carr be Carr.

JacksonvilleJaguar4
08-21-2005, 06:03 PM
let that Carr drive!

JacksonvilleJaguar4
08-21-2005, 06:37 PM
If Palmer does calls the kind of plays he did with Carr in the Raiders game throughout the season, I would expect some good numbers to come out of Carr this season

TexansTrueFan
08-21-2005, 07:11 PM
Good news is that we have the best secondary in the division :highfive:


i feel that was true even last year !!!!

MossSupaFreak
08-21-2005, 07:12 PM
yea we struggled catching david carr he was pretty fast moving out of the pocket....wow we need some faster lineman

TexansTrueFan
08-21-2005, 07:13 PM
yea we struggled catching david carr he was pretty fast moving out of the pocket....wow we need some faster lineman


carr has some speed, he was 3rd among all NFL QBs in rushing yards last season !!!

MossSupaFreak
08-21-2005, 07:20 PM
carr has some speed, he was 3rd among all NFL QBs in rushing yards last season !!!
thats pretty good his style of playing is a brett favre type of style i wouldnt say hes gonna be the next favre though because well favre is an all time great so thats gonna be a tough thing to do to become the next favre,but i will say david carr is gonna be a great quarterback, or is he already a great quarterback? lol i think hes a future pro bowler possibly NFL mvp

TexansTrueFan
08-21-2005, 07:23 PM
thats pretty good his style of playing is a brett favre type of style i wouldnt say hes gonna be the next favre though because well favre is an all time great so thats gonna be a tough thing to do to become the next favre,but i will say david carr is gonna be a great quarterback, or is he already a great quarterback? lol i think hes a future pro bowler possibly NFL mvp


man that is some really nice words from a former/future opponent. your O should shread apart alot of defences this season !!!!

MossSupaFreak
08-21-2005, 07:28 PM
man that is some really nice words from a former/future opponent. your O should shread apart alot of defences this season !!!!
thanks! but the question is, will our defense get shreaded? i hope not i hope our defense gets better

TexansTrueFan
08-21-2005, 07:30 PM
hmmm i dunno i think yalls D played pretty good, but hey ur oakland always seems to have a good defense, and noone is gonna run on sapp !!!!!

MossSupaFreak
08-21-2005, 07:31 PM
hmmm i dunno i think yalls D played pretty good, but hey ur oakland always seems to have a good defense, and noone is gonna run on sapp !!!!!
:) you just earned some rep

TexansTrueFan
08-21-2005, 07:46 PM
:) you just earned some rep


so u actually like moss ? i mean as a person not a player, cause i mean what team wouldnt want a superstar WR. I just dont like the guys attitude/style !!!

MossSupaFreak
08-21-2005, 07:47 PM
so u actually like moss ? i mean as a person not a player, cause i mean what team wouldnt want a superstar WR. I just dont like the guys attitude/style !!!
yup i love moss person and player i think hes perfect for our offense

TexansTrueFan
08-21-2005, 07:50 PM
yup i love moss person and player i think hes perfect for our offense


what about him walking off the field early last season thinking they were out of the play-offs because they wwere about to lose. i mean thats not a good attitude.

MossSupaFreak
08-21-2005, 07:53 PM
what about him walking off the field early last season thinking they were out of the play-offs because they wwere about to lose. i mean thats not a good attitude.
well you cant blame him, he was playing injured and trying hard to win that game and remember what happened last year against the cardinals? its frustrating but just let randy be randy i've met randy moss, hes a good guy

thegr8fan
08-21-2005, 08:04 PM
being a Carr Critic myself I will say last night he did pretty good. As for his improved pocket presence, Wand was playing RG and was getting beat like a drum at a kindergarten band practice. Which of course was right in Carr's face, so no surprise that he saw most of the rush's coming.

I think the new 3 step drop, shorter route, quicker timed plays account for the definite improvement between Carr and the WR's.

I do like the fact that Carr is spreading the ball around to several WR's and not just AJ and DD. That shows a better awareness of the field and his options and even, to some extent, that the game is slowing down to a managable level for Carr to make more than his primary and dump off reads.

Overall Carr has definitely improved over last season's ending. Let hope he keeps on this track and just gets better and better.

Davis37
08-22-2005, 01:39 AM
For everyone that is high on Carrs play against the Raiders, I want you all to think back to last preason. He did just as well, and did well in the reg season until the sack numbers started going up. Then, he started getting the "happy feet" that alot of people point out. Im not Carr bashing or anything like that, actually im a strong supporter of Carr and I think he is going to become a great player (Once he actually gets a O Line that can block). Im just saying that Carr can only go as far as the line takes him. Im all for using at least 3 of our draft picks next year on linemen. Well thats my :twocents:

TiltRaider
08-22-2005, 07:07 AM
Good news is that we have the best secondary in the division :highfive:


that may be so, but do you ever think it might be by default? doug gabriel torched you guys and he is currently our 4th wr on the depth chart, behind porter and curry.

i dont want to start a flame war, but to be quite honest, the secondary did not look good at all!

however, i agree with the original poster, david car looked really good, he is deceptively fast, faster then i thought and most people give him credit for, and when he roles out of the pocket he has a big, huge reliable target in johnson.

TiltRaider
08-22-2005, 07:13 AM
what about him walking off the field early last season thinking they were out of the play-offs because they wwere about to lose. i mean thats not a good attitude.


when people bring that up i try to have them look at it from other perspectives.

one, i dont agree with what he did, but look at what moss has done and is about to do, after being in the nfl for 7 years he has been the most productive wr ever, in 7 years, he gave every single thing he could possibly give to the franchise and flat out produces every week. on the flipside, the vikings have always been 15+ million dollars UNDER the cap, and have never had a good defense, they could have used that money to get some mroe talent, cause if they had somewhat of a D, their offense could have taken them far, but randy was just frustrated, again, im not condoning it in any way, just saying that we should try to look at it from both sides of the fence!

i dont think he'll be dissapoitned at all this year, he finall has a solid #2 and #3 wr's in porter and curry, so now teams cannot double and triple team him like they used to, he'll get more single coverage, plus we have a great OL, which will give kerry time and LJ will run the ball nicely, so i thikn he'll be happy with what our team has to offer and i dont think he'll do what he did in MIN, Al Davis is all about winning, and granted, these past two years werent much to brag about but bringing in moss, Davis wants to won, and moss knows that is the only thing that matters, that is why we are always right around the cap, cause we try to get players to help our team, and this year it could very well fall into place.

TopTexanFan16
08-22-2005, 07:39 AM
that may be so, but do you ever think it might be by default? doug gabriel torched you guys and he is currently our 4th wr on the depth chart, behind porter and curry.

i dont want to start a flame war, but to be quite honest, the secondary did not look good at all!

however, i agree with the original poster, david car looked really good, he is deceptively fast, faster then i thought and most people give him credit for, and when he roles out of the pocket he has a big, huge reliable target in johnson.

True but u have to take into prespective that we had no rush. our secondary did not play up to par but yes i do think it is the best in the AFC, this is why its a preseason game and also i do remember gettin 2 INT's againsat yall :)

Jagsbch
08-22-2005, 09:34 AM
Texans rally behind Brown's FGs ong field goals rall

HOUSTON - Doug Gabriel scored two first-quarter touchdowns and the Raiders' starting offense moved the ball at will in the first half before the Texans rallied to win the preseason game 19-17 on a pair of fourth-quarter field goals of 53 and 46 yards by Kris Brown. The winner came with eight seconds left.

Gabriel, the all-but-forgotten wide receiver in an offense that should feature Randy Moss and Jerry Porter catching passes, beat Texans cornerback Demarcus Faggins for both scores.

On the first, Gabriel leaped over Faggins from behind to grab the ball out of his hands in the end zone. On the second, he slipped past Faggins on a deep route, put out both hands in a stretch for the pass from Kerry Collins and cruised 70 yards for the TD that made it 14-7.

Gabriel started six games and caught 33 passes for 551 yards and two touchdowns last season. He got the start Saturday as Porter missed his second game with hamstring problems.

Moss was covered much of the half by former Raider Phillip Buchanon, who was traded to the Texans before this year's draft. A first-round pick in 2002, Buchanon was supposed to give the Raiders a bookend corner to match All-Pro Charles Woodson, but his relationship with the team deteriorated rapidly and he asked to be traded.

The Texans got a solid, if only brief, outing from quarterback David Carr, who was hobbled all week with an inflamed left Achilles' tendon.

He seemed fine Saturday night, completing 6 of 8 for 43 yards and a touchdown on the Texans' opening drive, his only snaps of the game. He showed no sign of a gimpy leg, scrambling for 6 yards early in the drive and running out of the pocket to avoid two pass rushers several plays later. He rolled to his right before hitting Reggie Swinton with a 2-yard TD that tied the game 7-7.

http://www.theeagle.com/stories/082105/sports_20050821032.php

Good news is that we have the best secondary in the division :highfive:

A secondary is only as good as its pass rush. I think the Jury is still out on who has the best Secondary IMO. Our Safeties are stout, and Scott Starks is not a Cat you want to write off just yet IMO. Rashean Mathis is arguably the best CB in the South. So let the Rivalry begin.

Your secondary has allowed 543 passing yards so far.
Our stats are better with only 467 passing yards allowed. :yahoo:

This is going to be a fun season~!!

Vinny
08-22-2005, 10:32 AM
Actually Vinny has mentioned quite a bit about Carr needing to improve his pocket presence. Vinny, I was wondering your take on Carr so far.
Can't tell yet since we haven't had many plays where he drops back and scans the field. We need to see him in multiple series before we can tell much. He had Dom wide open on that TD to Swinton but didn't look at him (would have been a much easier TD, but if you look at the tape he never looked at anyone but Swinton). He still seems to zero in on 'one guy only' too much. I see Carr chunking for around 4000 yards this year though. 23 or so TD's...so I see improvement if he can improve his vision and pocket awareness.

MossSupaFreak
08-22-2005, 12:36 PM
Good news is that we have the best secondary in the division :highfive:
your secondary looks pretty good but i gotta go with the jaxsonville jaguars on that their secondary is so physical donovan darius is a beast

wags
08-22-2005, 01:28 PM
He had Dom wide open on that TD to Swinton but didn't look at him (would have been a much easier TD, but if you look at the tape he never looked at anyone but Swinton).

He was on the run to the right and to hit DD he would have had to come to a complete stop, look back across his body, and throw across his body. Not very advisable.

Vinny
08-22-2005, 01:37 PM
Nobody is bothered by it. Can't a guy just comment on the game? Geez. Incredible...this is a football forum for football talk...get over it.

Vinny
08-22-2005, 01:39 PM
He was on the run to the right and to hit DD he would have had to come to a complete stop, look back across his body, and throw across his body. Not very advisible.QB's stop and throw to players all the time. Just an observation of mine....I just feel that it is common that Carr doesn't see the field well. If you watch the tape he doesn't look. It's just a play...and was asked about what I saw...that's what I saw.

ATX
08-22-2005, 01:41 PM
that may be so, but do you ever think it might be by default? doug gabriel torched you guys and he is currently our 4th wr on the depth chart, behind porter and curry.

i dont want to start a flame war, but to be quite honest, the secondary did not look good at all!


When you have 20 years to throw the ball like Collins did, any secondary isn't going to look good. Gabriel beat our 3rd CB twice on very uncharacteristic play by D. Faggins. not to mention the 2 interceptions by the secondary that started a rookie SS 2nd or 3rd teamer from Louisiana-Lafayette in C.C. Brown. Take it for what its worth.

Vinny
08-22-2005, 01:44 PM
I'm not in any sort of heart attack mode....I'm a pretty calm guy actually. This forum is for us to discuss football. I haven't said much about this game....I was asked what my thoughts were on Carr. I gave them. THAT's simple stuff.

wags
08-22-2005, 01:48 PM
Nobody puts Davey in a corner. [Exit Patrick Swayze]

Vinny
08-22-2005, 01:50 PM
All was said is he should have thrown across his body on the run. So he should have just said, "forget the play, I will do what I want" right?I'm not a mind reader, and I don't pretend to know what's in anyone's (player or coach) head nor do I know what play goes down...I just comment on football games that I watch...been doing it here for nearly half a decade. I don't give homer views and I call it like I see it. Some of you act like I shot the President when I post what you don't want to hear.

thegr8fan
08-22-2005, 01:58 PM
the play was designed for Carr and the WR on the right. It is not a play were Carr rolls right and looks all the way across the field into traffic. He has no other reads they are playing off the corner, he steps up he throws it, he covers Carr runs. I'm curious to know how you are so aware of what Carr's responsibility for that play was. You wouldn't be Chris Palmer in disguise would you? Cause other than the guy that drew the play up, or called it into the huddle, or Carr himself who ran it, how the heck would you know what Carr's responsibility's were?

Also you refer to DD responsibility's, which you list as blocking.

So tell me Hulk75, can I get a copy of the playbook AND the plays called into the huddle like you seem to have access to.

Vinny
08-22-2005, 01:58 PM
"The Last Word", starring.......Mr.Decade. :tv:I'm sorry I participate in relaying what I see. My appoligies.

PapaL
08-22-2005, 02:01 PM
This thread: Heading towards rock bottom fast :club:

infantrycak
08-22-2005, 02:03 PM
Slow down bro you will have heart attack. Before writting something get all the facts. He rolled right, the play was designed for Carr and the WR on the right. It is not a play were Carr rolls right and looks all the way across the field into traffic. He has no other reads they are playing off the corner, he steps up he throws it, he covers Carr runs. SIMPLE BUDDY. Carr sees the field very well.

That play happened right in front of my seats. DD was not all the way across the field in traffic nor would it have been a difficult across the body throw. It was not a drop and throw play like the one attempted to Bradford. Carr was making time with his feat. Regardless of whether his only designated read (dubious) was Swinton or that was his 1st read, he should be looking around enough to spot when other players come open. I spotted DD open 1st--maybe from Carr's perspective he saw Swinton 1st and never needed to look. In any event the play worked, but it is certainly a fair topic for discussion.

PapaL
08-22-2005, 02:06 PM
Throwing across your body is one of the easiest ways to get picked off, add to it running the opposite way, recipe for disaster.

infantrycak
08-22-2005, 02:14 PM
Listen carefully okay. If a QB sprints to the pillon, he is probably not going to throw across his body to somebody else. We had a play like this in college, it is the QB, WR and the Corner in the play. The play develops quickly he doesnt have all day to read and look at guys that are supposed to be blocking.
.Thanks, hope this helped Coach Common Sence

Nice condescension.

You are acting like DD was doing something wrong on the play. We have watched DD chip and release for two seasons so that ain't flying. Plus everyone needs to stop acting like the throw to DD would have been some horrific across the body bomb for an INT. The play started on the 2. DD was 2 yards into the endzone. Carr wouldn't have had to throw the ball more than 7 or so yards when DD came open.

It's fine to think Carr did perfect on the play, but there is no reason to fly off on people who question that fact or to make up stuff to defend what he did.

Austin_Texans_Fan
08-22-2005, 02:20 PM
Let me get this straight, ya'll are arguing over a TD pass that was a bad TD pass?

All I care is that it was 6 points.

6 points = Good
INT = Bad

PapaL
08-22-2005, 02:20 PM
I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with anyone, but in those 4 yards (across his body) there are what 9 or so defenders in his view if he throws across his body or the 2 that were in front of him? Seems like he made the proper read.

thegr8fan
08-22-2005, 02:25 PM
oh I'm very aware of what the play could have potentially been called as, but you seem to be certain that it was called that way, Hulk75. I mean, couldn't it have been a simple scramble play by Carr and he rolled out and was smart enough to know to read the corner to see whether to run it or pass? Yet you seem to know ahead of time that it was CALLED this way. That is what I am curious about. In fact, listing DD responsibility to block, simply supports the fact that you KNEW what the called play out of the huddle was.

You tell Vinny to get his facts straight, and He rolled right, the play was designed for Carr and the WR on the right.

So how do YOU, Hulk75, know that? How do you know what play was called in the huddle and who had what responsibility to do what?

by the way, I just looked up the word 'sence' in the dictionary, and it doesn't exist. But since you went to college I am sure you sensed that already. :texflag:

Blake
08-22-2005, 02:25 PM
Slow down bro you will have heart attack. Before writting something get all the facts. He rolled right, the play was designed for Carr and the WR on the right. It is not a play were Carr rolls right and looks all the way across the field into traffic. He has no other reads they are playing off the corner, he steps up he throws it, he covers Carr runs. SIMPLE BUDDY. Carr sees the field very well.

Talk about getting the facts. Carr said the play was busted, so he rolled out to see if he could make anything happen.

Before you start giving people a hard time about what the play was, get the facts, dont pull them out of your arse.

nunusguy
08-22-2005, 02:57 PM
He was on the run to the right and to hit DD he would have had to come to a complete stop, look back across his body, and throw across his body. Not very advisable.
You're point is well made Wags - even Jon Elway would have been focused intently upon the same receiver that DC was and it was either throw to him,
run it in yourself, or run out of bounds. Its not as if DC was standing deep in the pocket with gobs of time to survey the entire field in front of him - he
was on a dead sprint towards and at the goal line. Some people just can't admit that, "yea you're probably right about that one."

Vinny
08-22-2005, 03:09 PM
Admit what? Here is the original comment (below)....I just said I'd like to see him look at more than one guy instead of locking onto one option. Look at the game if you have it taped (Dom was just a few yards away)...just a comment about what my thoughts were on Carr. This is absurd.

Actually Vinny has mentioned quite a bit about Carr needing to improve his pocket presence. Vinny, I was wondering your take on Carr so far.
Can't tell yet since we haven't had many plays where he drops back and scans the field. We need to see him in multiple series before we can tell much. He had Dom wide open on that TD to Swinton but didn't look at him (would have been a much easier TD, but if you look at the tape he never looked at anyone but Swinton). He still seems to zero in on 'one guy only' too much. I see Carr chunking for around 4000 yards this year though. 23 or so TD's...so I see improvement if he can improve his vision and pocket awareness.

Fiddy
08-22-2005, 03:20 PM
He had Dom wide open on that TD to Swinton but didn't look at him (would have been a much easier TD, but if you look at the tape he never looked at anyone but Swinton). He still seems to zero in on 'one guy only' too much. I agree that it still seems he locks in on one guy but he would have had to thrown across his body running the other way to hit Davis. It would have been a pretty tough throw IMO.

Vinny
08-22-2005, 03:21 PM
watch it again. Carr doesnt have to sprit out to the corner if he just looks at Davis. He doesn't look...so he has to sprint...I'm rolling this play back and forth right now. You guys make this 5 yard pass sound like its a 50 yard across the body throw.

Fiddy
08-22-2005, 03:23 PM
watch it again. Carr doesnt have to sprit out to the corner if he just looks at Davis. He doesn't look...so he has to sprint...I'm rolling this play back and forth right now. Oh okay, I thought it was a designed bootleg. :bag:

Vinny
08-22-2005, 03:25 PM
I don't know what the play call was. All I stated was I wish he looked at more than one guy as an observation. People are turning a simple comment into much more than it is....just me answering a question and giving an example of what I think he needs to improve on. Ridiculous.

wags
08-22-2005, 03:41 PM
watch it again. Carr doesnt have to sprit out to the corner if he just looks at Davis. He doesn't look...so he has to sprint...I'm rolling this play back and forth right now. You guys make this 5 yard pass sound like its a 50 yard across the body throw.

DD has three defenders around him as Carr is scrambling to the right. Swinton and the corner of the endzone only had one. I'm sure Carr was thinking run it in or get Woodson to bite and hit Swinton. Good football instincts if you ask me. Now as Carr scrambles further right the defenders follow him and DD opens up, but that is only because Carr scrambles. To hit DD Carr would have had to look and throw across his body.

Vinny
08-22-2005, 03:51 PM
No, DD is behind 3 defenders who all have their backs to him (as he is waiving his arms around). I'm done on this one because I'm just making a simple comment with a simple example of how he doesn't look to second options, but Carr should go without criticism here (unlike the line or the coaches or Palmer - I forgot about that rule). Go blow my simple comment out of proportion as much as you guys want. I can't take this kind of "football talk" any more.

Runner
08-22-2005, 04:23 PM
No, DD is behind 3 defenders who all have their backs to him (as he is waiving his arms around). I'm done on this one because I'm just making a simple comment with a simple example of how he doesn't look to second options, but Carr should go without criticism here (unlike the line or the coaches or Palmer - I forgot about that rule). Go blow my simple comment out of proportion as much as you guys want. I can't take this kind of "football talk" any more.

I'm sure most of us remember the TD pass AJ caught last year when he flipped over the defender as he brought it in. I know on that play one of the other receivers, I can't remember who, was standing all alone. It was "funny" to watch on replay, especially since it was one of the plays that raised AJ into the national consciousness and helped with his Pro Bowl bid. Good thing Dre made the play.

It's a complicated game; everybody messes up. Some just aren't allowed to be called on it.

Vinny
08-22-2005, 04:33 PM
I'm really just answering a question about my thoughts on Carr. I said we haven't seen enough, but I gave an example of him not looking at an open receiver to finish off what I would like to see improved in Carr's game this season. Good Old fashioned objective football talk - "hey Vinny, what do you think"....I gave an answer and an example. It's not something that most of the posters here put up with. We only like hysteria and finger pointing.

Khari
08-22-2005, 04:42 PM
:offtopic :popcorn:

texasguy346
08-22-2005, 04:44 PM
Curse you Vinny and your wanting to share your thoughts on the performance of a player in a preseason game. This is no place for that. :rolleyes:

Meloy
08-22-2005, 04:46 PM
Why can't a person just state an opinion with out getting ripped? I think it is ok to disagree with an opinion, but seems like some want to knock a person down, kick him 2-3 times before moving on. Wouldn't it be nice , if we had a back who could punch it in from with in the 5 yard line with 2 or three carries?

Texans86
08-22-2005, 06:03 PM
Why is everyone getting in a fuss over a play that still resulted in a touchdown. Whether he passed to DD or Swinton, it's still six.

infantrycak
08-22-2005, 06:16 PM
Why is everyone getting in a fuss over a play that still resulted in a touchdown. Whether he passed to DD or Swinton, it's still six.

Because (a) there are a lot of bored football fanatics around here, (b) this is a message board and (c) looking at what kind of analysis Carr went through this time may be a prediction of what he will go through next time. But in the end, whoo hooo TD.

Jwwillis
08-22-2005, 08:03 PM
Can't think of many times Carr has had a chance to set up in a real pocket and check off his receivers. He seems to always be running for his life. When Carr runs to the sidelines half his options go away. I gotta tell ya, If most any of us had been pummeled by 300 pound NFL lineman for 3 yrs. like Carr we would look for 1 guy and pray too.