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Texas Torture
08-16-2005, 05:41 PM
i thought the cowboys had gotten old, worn out qbs out of their system. i thought when testeverde went to the showers for the last time, that was gonna be it! now bledsoe comes along and is as totally unremarkable as vinny ever was, in his first gm vs the cards. i know it's only the first gm [and preseason to boot], but i had hoped he remembered how to get a first down with all those yrs of nfl experience!

and the future of that position doesn't exactly blind u either. after a yr back in pads, henson can't even beat out the chief officer in charge of gatorade distribution, lowly tony romo, for back up. if bledsoe gets hurt, no problem, we have it covered! we have other qbs who cant go in there and do absolutely nothing as well, just like he does! :bomb:

Exascor
08-16-2005, 05:49 PM
Just root for the Texans and all your worries about the Cowboys can fade away.

Honestly...preseason is to evaluate talent, acclimate veterans and not be injured. Wait and see how Bledsoe does in a real game before throwing up your hands in disgust unless...you want to convert to being a Texans fan. It's not too late you know?

WWJD
08-16-2005, 05:50 PM
Why do you use the word "lowly" to describe Tony Romo? You make it sound as though he digs out of trash cans for his dinner or something.

Gosh the guy has played in a few mop up situations and some meaningless preseason games. Now if he was drafted to be THE guy and he didn't do well you could complain. But lowly? Harsh.

HowBoutThemCowboys!
08-16-2005, 06:13 PM
i thought the cowboys had gotten old, worn out qbs out of their system. i thought when testeverde went to the showers for the last time, that was gonna be it! now bledsoe comes along and is as totally unremarkable as vinny ever was, in his first gm vs the cards. i know it's only the first gm [and preseason to boot], but i had hoped he remembered how to get a first down with all those yrs of nfl experience!

and the future of that position doesn't exactly blind u either. after a yr back in pads, henson can't even beat out the chief officer in charge of gatorade distribution, lowly tony romo, for back up. if bledsoe gets hurt, no problem, we have it covered! we have other qbs who cant go in there and do absolutely nothing as well, just like he does! :bomb:

Have you even been paying attention to the Cowboy's TC? Romo has been one of this year's stand outs. On numerous occasions he has been complimented by Bill in press conferences. Do you just assume he's pathetic because you've never heard of him before and he was a third stringer?

Don't tell me you've only judged him from last pre-season because those stats certaintly won't help you any.

Aikman on many accounts has said he's been impressed with Romo's arm. In 2003 I actually read an article in the daily eastern news which said Romo was clocked by scouts throwing the ball at 57 mph at the NFL combine. This is impressive compared to Brett Favre who throws the ball at 61 mph, only 4 mph's faster.

He has plenty of zip, but not only that, he knows when to use all the zip and when to throw the touch passes. He is miles and miles ahead of Henson at this point and I would much rather have Romo as the second stringer at this point. Romo also has the brains to do the job.

He may not be the next John Elway, but he is not Clint Stoerner either........

Texas Torture
08-18-2005, 12:18 AM
Have you even been paying attention to the Cowboy's TC? Romo has been one of this year's stand outs. On numerous occasions he has been complimented by Bill in press conferences. Do you just assume he's pathetic because you've never heard of him before and he was a third stringer?

he's always great in the preseason.

Don't tell me you've only judged him from last pre-season because those stats certaintly won't help you any.

what else would i use? they won't let him into a real gm. why didn't bill send him in last yr after we were out of the playoff picture and vinny was counting the days until retirement?


Aikman on many accounts has said he's been impressed with Romo's arm. In 2003 I actually read an article in the daily eastern news which said Romo was clocked by scouts throwing the ball at 57 mph at the NFL combine. This is impressive compared to Brett Favre who throws the ball at 61 mph, only 4 mph's faster.

in addition to throwing the ball really hard, qbs have to move the sticks.


He has plenty of zip, but not only that, he knows when to use all the zip and when to throw the touch passes. He is miles and miles ahead of Henson at this point and I would much rather have Romo as the second stringer at this point. Romo also has the brains to do the job.

if romo is so great, why did jj swing a deal for henson in the first place?

He may not be the next John Elway, but he is not Clint Stoerner either........

i'll eat my words if he makes me, otherwise we'll have this discussion once again next summer.

WWJD
08-18-2005, 12:55 PM
Romo is what he is. A young QB that is 2nd or 3rd string depending on the game, hasn't really gotten any playing time to speak of and you hope if he needs to come in the team does ok. Like every other 2nd or 3rd stringer in the league.

HowBoutThemCowboys!
08-18-2005, 05:10 PM
Have you even been paying attention to the Cowboy's TC? Romo has been one of this year's stand outs. On numerous occasions he has been complimented by Bill in press conferences. Do you just assume he's pathetic because you've never heard of him before and he was a third stringer?

he's always great in the preseason.

Don't tell me you've only judged him from last pre-season because those stats certaintly won't help you any.

what else would i use? they won't let him into a real gm. why didn't bill send him in last yr after we were out of the playoff picture and vinny was counting the days until retirement?


Aikman on many accounts has said he's been impressed with Romo's arm. In 2003 I actually read an article in the daily eastern news which said Romo was clocked by scouts throwing the ball at 57 mph at the NFL combine. This is impressive compared to Brett Favre who throws the ball at 61 mph, only 4 mph's faster.

in addition to throwing the ball really hard, qbs have to move the sticks.


He has plenty of zip, but not only that, he knows when to use all the zip and when to throw the touch passes. He is miles and miles ahead of Henson at this point and I would much rather have Romo as the second stringer at this point. Romo also has the brains to do the job.

if romo is so great, why did jj swing a deal for henson in the first place?

He may not be the next John Elway, but he is not Clint Stoerner either........

i'll eat my words if he makes me, otherwise we'll have this discussion once again next summer.


Learn to use the qoute button.

Why wouldn't he swing a deal to Henson? I'm not saying Romo's the Cowboy's future, but he's a solid backup. It's called depth.

TheOgre
08-18-2005, 05:49 PM
I thought Drew Henson was your "Good" QB.

Exascor
08-18-2005, 05:49 PM
Learn to use the qoute button.It'd be nice if you didn't quote an ENTIRE post but only the relevant parts. :hmmm:

Huge
08-18-2005, 09:22 PM
There is no good QB in Dallas. Bledsoe is past his prime (as average as his prime was) and the other two haven't done diddily poo.

But my thoughts on this are well documented here. No need to :deadhorse

Ihategeeks
08-18-2005, 09:35 PM
Romo? Henson?

Makes me feel pretty good about my 2 sissy QB's

V Man
08-18-2005, 10:56 PM
Romo? Henson?

Makes me feel pretty good about my 2 sissy QB's

Boy, it is good to see the confidence you have in your 2 QB's.
:heh:

thefuture17
08-18-2005, 11:49 PM
i dont think hensons as bad as you guys say i think his future is almost as bright as carrs but there bothe gonan bwe great hopefully why is everyone saying henson sucks and stuff it was his first year

Huge
08-19-2005, 08:49 AM
It's not so much that he sucks. He just won't ever see the field. Can't improve if you don't play.

BringItOn
08-19-2005, 11:50 AM
It's a shame because the cowboys have had all those 5-win seasons since Aikman to draft a QB in the top of first 1st round but instead have gone with reaches in the 2nd/3rd and has-been/never-been free agents.

DFAN
08-19-2005, 03:09 PM
It's a shame because the cowboys have had all those 5-win seasons since Aikman to draft a QB in the top of first 1st round but instead have gone with reaches in the 2nd/3rd and has-been/never-been free agents.


Who could we have drafted that has proven himself in the NFL as of now?

texasguy346
08-19-2005, 03:30 PM
Who could we have drafted that has proven himself in the NFL as of now?

The most obvious one to me would be Byron Leftwich back in 03 when Dallas picked up Newman. Another guy I like alot Matt Schaub, but he's backing up Vick so no one has seen much of him yet.

HowBoutThemCowboys!
08-19-2005, 05:14 PM
It'd be nice if you didn't quote an ENTIRE post but only the relevant parts. :hmmm:

Ok... You say that. I was talking about a completely different thing.


The most obvious one to me would be Byron Leftwich back in 03 when Dallas picked up Newman. Another guy I like alot Matt Schaub, but he's backing up Vick so no one has seen much of him yet.

I'd much rather take Newman over Leftwich anyday. Can't beat being co-rookie of the year in 2003. He was one of the biggest factors in Dallas's #1 defense, 10-6 run.

There was a great article on Newman in the Austin-American Statesman today:

OXNARD, Calif. -- Dallas Cowboys cornerback Terence Newman waited for the right moment. Then he darted in and made the play.

With rookie Rob Petitti talking to reporters, Newman came around the group, reached in and popped his teammate on the side of the head -- not with his pads or helmet, but with a punching puppet he'd borrowed from a fan. Laughing and still moving, Newman ran off to sneak up on another unsuspecting friend.

OK, so it's nothing like intercepting a pass and returning it for a touchdown. But it is a sign that the lively, energetic Newman the Cowboys had in 2003 is back, replacing the hesitant, sometimes-lost version from 2004.

"Last year was last year," he said. "I don't remember much from last year."

That's exactly what Coach Bill Parcells wants to hear. He thinks Newman's sophomore slump came from the speedy cornerback having a few bad breaks early on and letting them nag him, which in turn led to more problems.

"He got beat, couldn't find the ball a couple times, got a penalty . . . it just snowballs," Parcells said. "If you can't forget, it's going to be hard for you to be successful. It isn't going to go good all the time."

Newman had reason to think it might.

A star in high school and college, in football and in track, his combination of ability and pizazz reminded the Cowboys of Deion Sanders, and they used the fifth pick of the 2003 draft to get him. Newman started right away at left cornerback on what became the league's top-ranked defense, helping Dallas go 10-6 and make the playoffs.

That off-season, the Cowboys lost their right cornerback and didn't replace him, instead gambling that holdovers and newcomers could pick up the slack. They couldn't. Injuries, including a career-ender for safety Darren Woodson, only made things worse for the secondary.

Perhaps trying to do too much, Newman wound up doing less. Even with unproven players around him, teams didn't hesitate to throw his way.

The result: Opposing quarterbacks completed 61.8 percent of their passes, the highest ever against a Dallas defense. The 31 passing touchdowns allowed matched the second-worst. Five covered at least 50 yards, which helps explain why the Cowboys gave up 898 more yards through the air than the previous season.

So the Cowboys made big changes this off-season.

The day free agency began they signed cornerback Anthony Henry, then later added Aaron Glenn. Their arrival turned last year's rookie regulars into sophomore backups and, best of all, should maximize Newman's skills.

Consider this: Newman has become so unburdened that Parcells is considering using him to cover slot receivers in three-cornerback formations and may finally let him show off on punt returns.

"He looks to be much improved," Parcells said. "But what happens when he gets stung the first time? That's what you're waiting for."

Glenn, a 12-year veteran, is tutoring Newman.

"He's by far one of the quicker, faster, better corners that I've seen," Glenn said. "He's an explosive guy that can make a lot of plays. If he can get his hands on the ball, it's going to be trouble for a lot of teams."

Returning punts is another way Newman can be a troublemaker. He had 27 returns in college and took three to the end zone, averaging 15.4 yards overall. That 1-in-9 scoring ratio sounds pretty good to a club that hasn't had a punt return for a touchdown since Thanksgiving 2001, a span of 55 games.

Newman's focus remains on becoming one of the best cornerbacks in the NFL, the kind said to make quarterbacks ignore their side of the field.

"I don't know if there's a corner who can completely take away half the field -- maybe a quarter of it. And I got that covered," he said, laughing. "Half the field? I'm still working on that."

-http://www.statesman.com/sports/content/auto/epaper/editions/friday/sports_3450484ed5f671630083.html


There is no good QB in Dallas. Bledsoe is past his prime (as average as his prime was) and the other two haven't done diddily poo.

But my thoughts on this are well documented here. No need to :deadhorse

I really wouldn't consider Bledsoe a "bad" QB. At the end of 2004 he really stepped it up for the Bills and almost led them to the playoffs.

We'll see what he can really do when he takes it to the field against San Diego on September 11th. He won't be half bad with Jason Witten, Terry Glenn, and Keyshawn, not to mention a solid RB in Julius Jones.

DFAN
08-19-2005, 08:11 PM
The most obvious one to me would be Byron Leftwich back in 03 when Dallas picked up Newman. Another guy I like alot Matt Schaub, but he's backing up Vick so no one has seen much of him yet.


To me Lefty hasnt proven it yet. He's been avg.. If we would had got him we stll be looking for a CB. Our CB's werer horribble last year and the was with Newman.

As far as Schaub goes I dont know what round he went so I cant say anything about drafting. I dont see why we would trade for him. He hasnt proven he's any better than what we have.

WWJD
08-19-2005, 09:10 PM
The Cowboys should have done whatever it took to get Kerry Collins when they had the chance. I know he was contacted and may have even come to Dallas but obviously decided to go to Oakland.

texasguy346
08-20-2005, 11:16 AM
I think Byron is going to be a very good QB, and he's got great leadership skills. He definately has shown alot of promise, and he'd be an upgrade over Henson. I don't doubt that the Cowboys needed an impact CB, but just demonstrating they had chances to pick up their QB of the future and passed in exchange for another player. Speaking of Henson the Cowboys passed on him in the 6th to pick up Zuriel Smith only to give up a 3rd Round pick for Henson less than a year later. Schaub went in the 3rd Round of the 04 Draft. That's when the Cowboys took Peterman. I base alot of my opinion on him more from what I've seen of him in college and the preseason. I think he'll be a good QB, and I think he'd be a better option than Henson but that's JMO. Of course every team could be faulted for passing on Brady in the 2000 Draft. He's definately shown to be a viable QB in the NFL. I'm sure most Cowboys fans would rather have Brady instead of Mario Edwards. Then again just about every NFL fan would love to have Brady on their team in exchange for their 2000 6th round pick.

Huge
08-20-2005, 01:10 PM
I really wouldn't consider Bledsoe a "bad" QB. At the end of 2004 he really stepped it up for the Bills and almost led them to the playoffs.

We'll see what he can really do when he takes it to the field against San Diego on September 11th. He won't be half bad with Jason Witten, Terry Glenn, and Keyshawn, not to mention a solid RB in Julius Jones.

Over the last 8 games of last season, Bledsoe had 11 TD to 9 INTs. I think I'll give more credit to their defense and McGahee's running for almost getting them to the playoffs than Bledsoe.

And saying he won't be half bad with Witten, Glenn and Johnson only tells me a good QB would be great with that level of talent around him. I don't expect "great" from Bledsoe. The guy's been overrated since he came in the league.

People talk about Joey Harrington underachieving because he can't complete 60% of his passes. Bledsoe's been over 60% only 3 times in his career and never over 61.5%.

You'll have to sell "Bledsoe's okay" somewhere else. I ain't buying.

DFAN
08-20-2005, 05:57 PM
Over the last 8 games of last season, Bledsoe had 11 TD to 9 INTs. I think I'll give more credit to their defense and McGahee's running for almost getting them to the playoffs than Bledsoe.

And saying he won't be half bad with Witten, Glenn and Johnson only tells me a good QB would be great with that level of talent around him. I don't expect "great" from Bledsoe. The guy's been overrated since he came in the league.

People talk about Joey Harrington underachieving because he can't complete 60% of his passes. Bledsoe's been over 60% only 3 times in his career and never over 61.5%.

You'll have to sell "Bledsoe's okay" somewhere else. I ain't buying.


What the answer then?

Texas Torture
08-20-2005, 07:01 PM
The Cowboys should have done whatever it took to get Kerry Collins when they had the chance. I know he was contacted and may have even come to Dallas but obviously decided to go to Oakland.

i thought that as well last yr. having peyton at oc wouldn't have hurt either since he and kerry had hooked up previously for the giants. but vinny was on the horizon and what bill wants...

WWJD
08-20-2005, 08:38 PM
i thought that as well last yr. having peyton at oc wouldn't have hurt either since he and kerry had hooked up previously for the giants. but vinny was on the horizon and what bill wants...


You know what a lot of people forget is that Vinny was brought to Dallas to be the backup; Quincy was the guy.

But yea Bill is a Vinny guy and who knows but even if Quincy had stayed Vinny would have played anyway.

I still say they should have signed Collins.

Huge
08-20-2005, 09:28 PM
What the answer then?
To our QB problem? I think it comes down to realizing and accepting the potential for contention of the team (or lack of it).

In my opinion, they're not ready to compete and won't be for a couple of years. So I see no point in bringing in veterans like Testaverde and Bledsoe that will only take away snaps from a younger QB in order for him to develop and be ready at the same time the team is ready to contend.

I'll use Henson as an example but not because he'd be my personal choice. Obviously Jerry Jones saw something in him (not that Jones should be the benchmark for evaluating QB talent) to trade for him and then give him sizeable contract.

I simply disagree with their philosophy of investing in Henson but not wanting to find out what they have in him for the purpose of giving the team the best chance at making the playoffs. It was even more confusing why they still didn't play him after they were eliminated from the playoff chase.

We went 6-10 with Testaverde. Would our record have been that much worse if Henson was playing? I seriously doubt it. So it's debateable that even Vinny gave us the best chance of winning because we weren't.

So what's the answer? Patience and acceptance of reality. Two qualities that the two people most responsible for making this decision lack.

WWJD
08-20-2005, 09:33 PM
It all starts with the QB....not too many teams are so talented that they can have SB aspirations without a good QB.

I haven't watched Bledsoe at all really these last few years so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and see what he can do. But surely the Cowboys have to get a good young QB in there to build around. If it's not Henson drop that experiment and move on. It'll be a busted draft move but they've made plenty of those before.

HowBoutThemCowboys!
08-20-2005, 11:03 PM
To our QB problem? I think it comes down to realizing and accepting the potential for contention of the team (or lack of it).

In my opinion, they're not ready to compete and won't be for a couple of years. So I see no point in bringing in veterans like Testaverde and Bledsoe that will only take away snaps from a younger QB in order for him to develop and be ready at the same time the team is ready to contend.

I'll use Henson as an example but not because he'd be my personal choice. Obviously Jerry Jones saw something in him (not that Jones should be the benchmark for evaluating QB talent) to trade for him and then give him sizeable contract.

I simply disagree with their philosophy of investing in Henson but not wanting to find out what they have in him for the purpose of giving the team the best chance at making the playoffs. It was even more confusing why they still didn't play him after they were eliminated from the playoff chase.

We went 6-10 with Testaverde. Would our record have been that much worse if Henson was playing? I seriously doubt it. So it's debateable that even Vinny gave us the best chance of winning because we weren't.

So what's the answer? Patience and acceptance of reality. Two qualities that the two people most responsible for making this decision lack.


Testaverde did just fine last season. You make it sound like the 6-10 season was squarely on Testaverde.

Our defense was dead, we had a first year rookie as our 2nd CB because the other got injured, Newman was in a major sophmore slump, Roy was playing out of position because Darren Woodson was injured, our 2nd string free safety was playing, Marcus Wiley did crap, Keyshawn was double teamed every play, Terry Glenn was injured, Julius Jones was out for half of the season, our RTs kept switching spots, LA was out of shape, and we gave away one of our most up and coming WRs for an unproven medicore Quincy Morgan because he acted like a complete a** to Bill.

As far as I know, Dallas was in the playoff hunt all the way to week 15 or so. I'm glad we didn't throw our season away to see a baseball reject play. Parcells was hired to win, and he tried to do that the best he could with what he had.


I do think Dallas should go out and trade for Phillip Rivers. I would trade our first rounder and Dat Ngyen for the guy in a heartbeat.

DFAN
08-20-2005, 11:57 PM
To our QB problem? I think it comes down to realizing and accepting the potential for contention of the team (or lack of it).

In my opinion, they're not ready to compete and won't be for a couple of years. So I see no point in bringing in veterans like Testaverde and Bledsoe that will only take away snaps from a younger QB in order for him to develop and be ready at the same time the team is ready to contend.

I'll use Henson as an example but not because he'd be my personal choice. Obviously Jerry Jones saw something in him (not that Jones should be the benchmark for evaluating QB talent) to trade for him and then give him sizeable contract.

I simply disagree with their philosophy of investing in Henson but not wanting to find out what they have in him for the purpose of giving the team the best chance at making the playoffs. It was even more confusing why they still didn't play him after they were eliminated from the playoff chase.

We went 6-10 with Testaverde. Would our record have been that much worse if Henson was playing? I seriously doubt it. So it's debateable that even Vinny gave us the best chance of winning because we weren't.

So what's the answer? Patience and acceptance of reality. Two qualities that the two people most responsible for making this decision lack.


I'm not sure but I dont think they were officially out of it until the last week maybe 2nd to last week. As a fan I understand why people wanted Henson in there. As a coach you can not put him in and tell you team we're still in it but I'm giving up on the season and putting Henson in.

10 years ago I could agree with you on putting a rookie or someone like Henson in and let him get his bumps and bruises. I cant look at this team and say they are not ready to compete. Not win teams go from playoffs to not making the playoffs and not making the playoffs and making the playoffs. I know you said one time its a SB or nothing but you have to make the playoffs to get to the SB. As a Cowboy fan I do not want to see us just throw away a whole year just to see what Henson can do or Romo. If yoiu get into the playoffs anything can happen. I guess if it was Carr, Palmer, Manning type QB I would be more for it. But not a baseball reject who hasnt played football in 3 years.

Texas Torture
08-21-2005, 05:43 AM
You know what a lot of people forget is that Vinny was brought to Dallas to be the backup; Quincy was the guy.

But yea Bill is a Vinny guy and who knows but even if Quincy had stayed Vinny would have played anyway.

I still say they should have signed Collins.



that's right! i forgot about ole' Quincy! that would seem hard to do especially since we're still feelin the chill of his rash exit today.

watched collins vs houston last nite- hmmm... what could have been!

Huge
08-21-2005, 08:45 AM
Testaverde did just fine last season. You make it sound like the 6-10 season was squarely on Testaverde
Sorry, but I don't consider having 3 more INTs than TDs "just fine". For a rookie QB learning the ropes, that's one thing. But a 17 year veteran?

And no, I didn't make it sound like 6-10 was because of Vinny. I said we wouldn't have been much worse w/o him (because you can't get much worse).

I'm not sure but I dont think they were officially out of it until the last week maybe 2nd to last week. As a fan I understand why people wanted Henson in there. As a coach you can not put him in and tell you team we're still in it but I'm giving up on the season and putting Henson in.
I think we were officially out of the playoffs about the time of the coin flip on Week 1. Anybody that thought anything else was kidding themselves.

And if you're worried about having your team think you haven't given up on the season, why start Henson in Week 11 only to yank him after the first half and put Testaverde back in? I know Vinny was hurt from the Baltimore game the week before but that didn't stop him from playing the 2nd half.

This will be Parcell's 3rd year with the team and he'll have his 3rd different starting QB going into the season. You simply can't function that way. Again, not to lay all this at Bill's feet (though he's part of it). It's been a problem for years.

WWJD
08-21-2005, 12:58 PM
The Cowboys haven't been right at QB since Troy retired...they just can't seem to make the committment to one guy or do the wise thing and draft one high. I don't get their thinking on how they deal with it.

I rooted for Quincy and wished he would have worked out but that's water under the bridge.

I'd like to see them Henson a fair chance but maybe that won't happen....I've heard different theories about it...Bill doesn't like him, Bill does like him and doesn't think he's very good, he's not that good, he's good but needs game time and so on and so on.

We'll see what Drew has. Bledsoe that is.

I wouldn't mind seeing them go out on a limb and draft somebody high that HAS skills. NFL skills like Carr. And I'm still a big Kerry Collins fan. Jerry should have gotten that deal done because he's going to throw a ton of TD's this year.

DFAN
08-21-2005, 04:53 PM
Sorry, but I don't consider having 3 more INTs than TDs "just fine". For a rookie QB learning the ropes, that's one thing. But a 17 year veteran?

And no, I didn't make it sound like 6-10 was because of Vinny. I said we wouldn't have been much worse w/o him (because you can't get much worse).


I think we were officially out of the playoffs about the time of the coin flip on Week 1. Anybody that thought anything else was kidding themselves.

And if you're worried about having your team think you haven't given up on the season, why start Henson in Week 11 only to yank him after the first half and put Testaverde back in? I know Vinny was hurt from the Baltimore game the week before but that didn't stop him from playing the 2nd half.

This will be Parcell's 3rd year with the team and he'll have his 3rd different starting QB going into the season. You simply can't function that way. Again, not to lay all this at Bill's feet (though he's part of it). It's been a problem for years.


I'm sure a lot of people thought that in week one in 2003. Same with Car. in 2003, SL in 99, Bal in 00 ect... I just cant see giving up before the season even starts, not how teams turn it around so quick in todays NFL. Especially considering the Cowboys are in the NFC.

HowBoutThemCowboys!
08-21-2005, 07:05 PM
Sorry, but I don't consider having 3 more INTs than TDs "just fine". For a rookie QB learning the ropes, that's one thing. But a 17 year veteran?


Yea, this ratio is always a concern for any QB. I sorta see your point, but who was the last Cowboy QB to throw back to back 300 yard games ? Don Merideth back in 1968. Incidently, Vinny's 1st (2) Cowboy games where he came out like this was the single most best start of a season for a Cowboy QB ever. So while he finished up less than sparkling, he came out ready to gun - and the injuries to key players along the season with no real subs compounded it. Besides, when Parcells saw his running game was not reliable, he did what so many of Vinny's coaches have done, and went more exclusively to Vinnys arm to win the game.

Huge
08-21-2005, 08:26 PM
Why are you still trying to sell me on this?

Incidently, Vinny's 1st (2) Cowboy games where he came out like this was the single most best start of a season for a Cowboy QB ever.
First game - 29 of 50, 355 yards, 1 TD, 0 INTs
Second game - 23 of 35, 322 yards, 1 TDs, 3 INTs

That's the single best start of a season for a QB in Cowboys' history? Are you serious with this? Do you think I care about back-to-back 300 yard games? How many 300 yard games did Troy Aikman have in his career? You might be able to count them on one hand.

Besides, when Parcells saw his running game was not reliable, he did what so many of Vinny's coaches have done, and went more exclusively to Vinnys arm to win the game.
And the results were the same for Parcells as they were for Vinny's other coaches.

Seriously, stop trying to spin Vinny's year. I'm happy the guy was able to turn his career around after tossing 35 INTs his 2nd season. I've always pulled for him. But it was a stupid move to bring him in last season. If he was "just fine" behind a pretty bad team, you would think he'd still be playing (he's in better shape than Bledsoe). But there's a reason he ain't...no other team is stupid enough to make the same mistake Dallas did.

DFAN
08-21-2005, 09:47 PM
But it was a stupid move to bring him in last season.



Are you saying they should have went with Henson?

Huge
08-22-2005, 11:17 AM
They should've stuck with Carter. Not that I thought he was the answer to our future QB problems but he was a better option than Vinny.

HardCoreTxn
08-22-2005, 11:30 AM
The Cowboys should have done whatever it took to get Kerry Collins when they had the chance. I know he was contacted and may have even come to Dallas but obviously decided to go to Oakland.

IMO..Jerry and Bill should have went after Billy Volek...this would have really fueled the Hou/Dal rivalry,..Carr being Voleks old back up :texflag:

DFAN
08-22-2005, 12:11 PM
They should've stuck with Carter. Not that I thought he was the answer to our future QB problems but he was a better option than Vinny.



LOL!!!!! I want argue/debate with you anymore.

Huge
08-22-2005, 12:39 PM
Now you've got my curiosity piqued. You preferred Vinny over Quincy? Keep in mind, I absolutely did not want Carter as the QB in Dallas. This is documented on this website (well, before it changed) back to when he was drafted.

HowBoutThemCowboys!
08-22-2005, 05:52 PM
LOL!!!!! I want argue/debate with you anymore.

Ditto to that.

Huge
08-22-2005, 07:24 PM
That was every bit as elaborate as DFAN's response.

Would you care to explain why you preferred Vinny over Quincy? Seriously, enquiring minds would like to know.

TigerBait
08-22-2005, 07:39 PM
Demarcus Ware looks really good so far in this game. Kinda random but true.

Texas Torture
08-25-2005, 11:07 PM
it's not that quincy was a great qb for dallas, but we had burned yet another draft pick for him and we had already bit the bullet for a couple seasons while he 'matured'. now bledsoe promises all the thrills [and headaches], that vinny provided last yr.., but even at best, there's not much tread left. now, we're back at square 1 and have to go after a young qb. we're gonna have to roll the dice on this one. i read the name 'phillip rivers'. maybe that's not a bad idea. someone young, but unproven. thanx quincy!

i do give the draft tm high marks for the last 2 #1s- jones and ware look to be around for a while!

Huge
08-26-2005, 08:59 AM
While we were biting the bullet with Quincy, we finished with a 10-6 record. Again, I'm not going to credit much (if any) of that to Quincy and I certainly didn't think he was going to be the future of the organization. I just don't see how going from Carter to Testaverde to Bledsoe was/is an improvement.

TheOgre
08-26-2005, 09:17 AM
Bledsoe's success and failure rests on two things:

1. A solid rushing attack

2. Good pass blocking

If he has both of those, he will do fine. He only had the first of those two last year. The Cowboys have a superior line to the Bills. There are probably only about 3-4 lines worse than the Bill's line.

Huge
08-26-2005, 10:09 AM
I'm okay with "fine". I'm not okay that if a "good" QB has those two things, he should do a lot better than "fine".

If David Carr had both of those, would you be okay with "fine"? Or would you expect "great"?

Texas Torture
08-26-2005, 05:46 PM
While we were biting the bullet with Quincy, we finished with a 10-6 record. Again, I'm not going to credit much (if any) of that to Quincy and I certainly didn't think he was going to be the future of the organization. I just don't see how going from Carter to Testaverde to Bledsoe was/is an improvement.

that 10-6 record also contained 2 shutouts vs the boyz- the D was the reason for the brief playoff appearance vs the panthers, which also led to unreal expectations for yr 2 of the 'bp era'. it seemed like the media thought a winning season was in the bag because they could play a good numbers gm with parcell's career- the fact that we had an enemic o was an incovenient by-line.

i'm not real wild about the qb progression post-aikman either, but here we r!

HowBoutThemCowboys!
09-05-2005, 12:53 AM
Front page of NFL.com- A Star is Made

http://images.nfl.com/photos/img8806145.jpg

By Adam Schefter
Special to NFL.com

(Sept. 2, 2005) -- The quarterback questions in Dallas have nothing to do with starter Drew Bledsoe, who wrapped up a successful preseason going 7 of 8 for 91 yards and a touchdown during the Cowboys' 27-20 win over the Jaguars. The questions regard the Cowboys' backup.


Dallas coach Bill Parcells says that, at this point, reporters are just guessing. But it's a good guess that the Cowboys' No. 2 quarterback will be Tony Romo, the undrafted free agent who has outplayed the more ballyhooed Drew Henson.

But maybe this shouldn't be a surprise. Romo was offered more money to sign with other teams in 2003 but opted for Dallas because he thought the opportunity was there. It cost Romo some money at the time. But the way he has played, he will more than make it up.

-http://nfl.com/nflnetwork/story/8798203

Texas
09-05-2005, 02:01 PM
Romo is actually a very good BACKUP Quarterback. Henson I beleive is too paranoid when he plays and will never be anything more than a backup

HowBoutThemCowboys!
11-18-2006, 01:13 PM
Wow, this thread looks stupid now.. Dissing on up on Tony Romo.. what can I say.

Did I not call it two posts before this over one year ago?

For all you who called Romo a sissy, for all you who called him "lowly." Start eating yer words!


i'll eat my words if he makes me, otherwise we'll have this discussion once again next summer.- TexasTorture

TexanSam
11-18-2006, 07:16 PM
Wow, this thread looks stupid now.. Dissing on up on Tony Romo.. what can I say.

Did I not call it two posts before this over one year ago?

For all you who called Romo a sissy, for all you who called him "lowly." Start eating yer words!


i'll eat my words if he makes me, otherwise we'll have this discussion once again next summer.- TexasTorture

Why bring this thread up from over a year ago to prove a point? Are you in that much need of a self-esteem boost? Did you go hours upon hours trying to find this thread just to say "Ooo, I want to make those darn Texan fans eat crow!!!!!" ? You're weird.


He's better than Bledsoe.

But not better than Peyton.

HowBoutThemCowboys!
11-18-2006, 10:27 PM
No, it's not that hard to use a little thing called the search engine.. especially when you remember what the thread was called. Try typing in "wanted" and boom, there goes the work.

One of the great things about board debates and trash talking in general is you can rub it in another guy's face when you're right.. whether it may be a short term deal like a game, or something with long-term importance-- It's the beauty of great debates. Without it, it's like eating an oreo with no cream, just doesn't work that way. In real life I've dogged my friends for counting him out a year ago, and it's no different here.. And I'm sure if Mario goes on to have a breakout year into the Pro Bowl next season and Reggie is still riding behind Deuce, it'll be no different here.

V Man
11-19-2006, 09:04 AM
Wow, this thread looks stupid now.. Dissing on up on Tony Romo.. what can I say.

Did I not call it two posts before this over one year ago?

For all you who called Romo a sissy, for all you who called him "lowly." Start eating yer words!


i'll eat my words if he makes me, otherwise we'll have this discussion once again next summer.- TexasTorture

Props to Tony on his good start, but I still not sure if it his talent that is doing it or that he is more disiplined than Bledsoe and knows if he plays smart and doesn't make mistakes, the talent on the team will win the game.