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Supertex
08-14-2005, 07:37 PM
I would like to hear everyones opinion. I will post mine when I have time.

beerlover
08-14-2005, 07:40 PM
as planned. improvement in most areas, added depth & experience :texflag:

8-8

Grid
08-14-2005, 07:47 PM
Im still saying 10-6. Our line looked better last night.. our running game looked as good as i had hoped it would. If both of those things keep working..everything else will fall into place.

Its still pretty early though.. I look forward to game 3 and 4 of the preseason..when we will see alot more of the first team.

Farough
08-14-2005, 08:31 PM
9-7 improve by 2 wins again

Honoring Earl 34
08-14-2005, 09:42 PM
:texflag: I am confused on some of the reporting out of camp , the reason being is in past years there was more hype . I don't know if this the style of the reporters or are there problems .


I will give the Texans 8-8 with a +2 or -2 correction factor .

Errant Hothy
08-14-2005, 09:44 PM
I'll say...nothing till after the last preseason game. Still way to much that can happen between now and then.

Hervoyel
08-14-2005, 09:47 PM
11-5 and it happens like this (Copied from a previous thread)


09.11 at Buffalo: W

New starting QB and the Texans remembering what happened against San Diego in the 2004 opener. I think the team takes this one seriously and we go 1-0

09.18 Pittsburgh (04 playoff team): W

I believe Pittsburgh is going to start slow in 2005. The Cinderella season is over for the Steelers, they're coming back down to earth in 2005 and the game is played in Reliant. The Texans win their home opener for a 2-0 record

09.25 Bye: W

The bye puts up a heck of a fight (as always) but the Texans hang in there and win in overtime to preserve their perfect start.

10.02 at Cincinnati: W

Can the NFL please show us some mercy with the Bengals and get them off our schedule? Sometimes it feels like we're still in the AFC Central because we play these bums in their clown suits ever year. Maybe it just seems that way because so far they always beat us which really needs to stop if we're going to be seeing them almost every year. Finally we're going to turn that around. Yes, I'm predicting a 3-0 start to the season. I know how messed up that is but, well there you go.

10.09 Tennessee: L

The sweep isn't in the cards this year and when young teams who've never won start the season 3-0 they tend to let down. This is when it happens. The Texans fall to 3-1 here.

On a side note however I predict that if the team manages to again lose to the Bengals (please no) then we rebound to win this game. Regardless we're going to be 3-1 on the Monday following this game.

10.16 at Seattle (national tv - 04 playoff team): W

Maybe this is a bad, homer like prediction based on the simple fact that I have no respect for Holmgren or the Seahawks. So be it. I think we're going to be 4-1 after this game and the talk of the NFL.

10.23 Indianapolis (04 playoff team): W

First win over the Colts. Make a point of being at this one. Texans are 5-1 and people are packing that bandwagon.

10.30 Cleveland: W

Yes, I'm actually thinking that we beat the Browns to go 6-1. I understand that this is starting to look like a pipe dream type prediction but I think this a very winnable game. We owe these guys so bad for last season and they're going through some serious changes this off season. I think we win this one. 6-1 and people are talking about our first trip to the playoffs.

11.06 at Jacksonville: L

The wheels are literally going to fall off the team this week. Just like the Browns have it coming the previous week the Texans are due one smack in the head from the Jags this week. We drop to 6-2 and this game will not look pretty. I bet we get our butts kicked here.

11.13 at Indianapolis (04 playoff team): L

The extreme fair weather fans start hopping off right here because the Colts are going to do exactly what Jacksonville did to us the week before. Beat us badly. Record is 6-3 now.

11.20 Kansas City (national tv): W

Again, like the Bengals this is getting old. It seems like we're always playing the Chiefs. Anyway we're what? .500 against them? We win this one because the Chiefs are going to have a down year IMO and we're going to be part of it. 7-3 as we tie our previous high in wins. No way we can not improve over 2004 with 6 games left.

11.27 St. Louis (04 playoff team): W

This is going to be a tough game but the Texans can do it. Orlando Pace played the Texans this year so he could get more money out of the Rams. He'll be wishing he was on our team after this game. Pace will do his job but he won't be the problem and he won't be able to prevent the loss. Texans are 8-3 now.

12.04 at Baltimore: L

I don't know why, I just think the Ravens will win this game. I guess it could go our way but we're going to lose a couple more and I suspect it'll be here and against Jacksonville. Call it 8-4

12.11 at Tennessee: W

At this point the Titans are out of it and we get the split for the year. 9-4

12.18 Arizona: W

Another young team learning how to win consistently. I really think this could go either way. If the Cards have lost a bunch before this game (say two or three in a row) then I'm more worried then if they come in on a roll. I think we win though and hit 10-4

12.24 Jacksonville: L

Nothing like the first game where I think the Jags will beat us bad but we're not going to win this one. The Jags finally sweep us. It was bound to happen. 10-5

01.01 at San Francisco: W

We finish the year beating the stuffing out of the 49'rs new franchise QB. It'll be fun and we're going to the playoffs with an 11-5 record.

If this happens exactly as I've described I will be accepting cold beer as "tribute" for my predictions.

3960AD
08-14-2005, 10:13 PM
2002- 4-12
2003- 5-11
2004- 7-9

2005- 11-5
Wins: Buffalo, Cincinnati, Tennessee, Indianapolis, Cleveland, Jacksonville, Kansas City, Arizona, Tennessee, Jacksonville, San Francisco.

This is the year we claim glory in the AFC South. Tennessee's offense is shot. Jacksonville will be good, but with our offense, I think we should be able to take them twice.

I think the new defensive look will help us battle the offenses of Indianapolis and Kansas City, while our offense will literally bring the pain to their defenses.

Will be an interesting year.

HJam72
08-14-2005, 10:18 PM
9-7, and any less is unacceptable. So, they better do what I expect or better based on what I think of their overall talent in order to do what I expect (and no less) for the 4th year of a 5 year plan. Otherwise, I will be very unhappy and I know they're real worried about that.

:rolleyes:

By the end of next year, I expect a play-off win (or at least a tough battle in one).

Austin_Texans_Fan
08-15-2005, 09:54 AM
I am not going as far as 11-5 but I am hoping for a our first winning season.

I think Indy is going to be a little much for us again, but we will handle the rest of the South.

I was very impressed with the play of the 1st teams Saturday night. Carr and Davis looked very confident and looked like they were just having fun.

D-line looked stought and will only get better.

:texflag: GO TEXANS!!! :texflag:

SESupergenius
08-15-2005, 10:08 AM
8-8


09.11 at Buffalo: W

I think we win with this one, despite having trouble with their defense.

09.18 Pittsburgh: L

Having beat the Steelers last time in their house, the Steelers will be looking for revenge. If Porter is back and healthy we should be in for a long day.

10.02 at Cincinnati: L

Cincy just plain owns us. Being away from home for this one will enable the Bengals to pull this one out. Palmer is taking control of the offense and injuries for us should be settling in.

10.09 Tennessee: W

After 2 straight loses we are glad to be back at home and are itching for a win, nobody better to take it out on than the Titans, who are in dissarray.

10.16 at Seattle (national tv - 04 playoff team): L

They are very tough to play at home. Flying all the up to Seattle will take it toll on our players as well as the climate change. Alexander will be pounding it on us ala Priest Holmes.

10.23 Indianapolis (04 playoff team): L

We are still not able to get over the hump as the Buchanon trade will be exposed for what it is.




10.30 Cleveland: W

Just like the Steelers, we too will be looking for revenge. This is the game that will show our heart, either we come out guns blazing with revenge or Capers and Co. and lost this team already.

11.06 at Jacksonville: W

I think we stomp the Jags in this one as they are run down with injuries.


11.13 at Indianapolis (04 playoff team): L

Indoors, on turf, at Indy = Loss. Manning still owns us.

11.20 Kansas City (national tv): W

Chiefies are mad about thier loss in KC, but they don't play like a team with vigor. We should match up well with them and keep LJ in check, but the reverses kill us every time, it will be a tough win.

11.27 St. Louis (04 playoff team): W

This should be a fun game to watch as I think it will be high scoring. I think that their recievers and RB out of the backfield are better than us, but our style of 3-4 should handle that.

12.04 at Baltimore: L
I think we get pounded in this one as Carr hits the cold months. His record during these months is horrible.

12.11 at Tennessee: L
No we beat Titans 4 straight times

12.18 Arizona: L

The Cardinals should be one of the most underrated teams in the league. Their group of WR's have quietly become on of the better units in the league. Our Defense is wearing down due to the ineffectiveness of our offense.

12.24 Jacksonville: W

The Jags should be really hurting from all the injuries they are known for. This one goes to the Texans.

01.01 at San Francisco: W

SF is a horrible team that we can't take lightly. The Browns games should remind us of that.

bckey
08-15-2005, 11:31 AM
Buffalo W Losman is too green to handle the defense
Pittsburgh L They show us what Capers is trying to build a team like
Cincinnatti L Should be a good one but the home team gets the edge
Tennessee W We win but the Titans are getting better quick
Seattle L Can't stop Alexander and the west coast offense
Indy L Close but Manning will pull it out in the end
Cleveland W Revenge for the last game of the season
Jacksonville L No sweep this year
Indy L We lose in their house
Kansas City W Tough game but we prevail
St Louis L Too much offense
Baltimore L Too much defense
Tennessee W We control the ball in the final 2 minutes
Arizona L This team is the sleeper team of 2005
Jacksonville W Not in our house
San Francisco W It would be easier to play them before they have 15 games under their belt. Don't take this one for granted Texans


7-9 Season with a plus or minus 1 factor. 8-8 or under and Palmer is gone.

Bubbajwp
08-15-2005, 12:34 PM
8-8
The offinsive line still needs help. Still need a TE or a #2 Wr to be a dominant offense.
Imo all of the pieces are in place on our deffense. I would like to see us pick up another young defensive lineman in the offseason.
David Carr= :tomato:

LBC_Justin
08-15-2005, 12:35 PM
9-7

Prediction: The Texans will get blown out in 2 games. One of them will happen early and everyone on this forum will complain and moan and demand the head of chris palmer. People will talk about how our season is over in the first 5 weeks.

Expect the Texans to beat a team you don't expect and expect them to lose to a team they should hammer. (This is today's NFL)

Austin_Texans_Fan
08-15-2005, 12:38 PM
One of them will happen early and everyone on this forum will complain and moan and demand the head of chris palmer. People will talk about how our season is over in the first 5 weeks.


Are you kidding? That has already started!!! :brickwall

Ibar_Harry
08-15-2005, 12:51 PM
Buffalo W Losman is too green to handle the defense
Pittsburgh L They show us what Capers is trying to build a team like
Cincinnatti L Should be a good one but the home team gets the edge
Tennessee W We win but the Titans are getting better quick
Seattle L Can't stop Alexander and the west coast offense
Indy L Close but Manning will pull it out in the end
Cleveland W Revenge for the last game of the season
Jacksonville L No sweep this year
Indy L We lose in their house
Kansas City W Tough game but we prevail
St Louis L Too much offense
Baltimore L Too much defense
Tennessee W We control the ball in the final 2 minutes
Arizona L This team is the sleeper team of 2005
Jacksonville W Not in our house
San Francisco W It would be easier to play them before they have 15 games under their belt. Don't take this one for granted Texans


7-9 Season with a plus or minus 1 factor. 8-8 or under and Palmer is gone.

I think you are being very reasonable in your assessment, but the one big variable is do we get our O-line fixed. Does Zack's injury heal and it is a non-issue. Offensively I believe we have far more potential than we have ever had and I will say frightningly so. The key to this whole season is the O-line. We could be anywhere from 3-13 to 13-3 depending on that one factor. Mathis is another key. If he is healthy I expect AJ, Kasper, and Mathis to be a handfull for the other teams. I think Gaffny is very questionable at this point. Kasper I believe is going to be a go to guy in the end zone, Mathis is simply one of those special guys who is so fast it is frightning and he will cause the defense to adjust and AJ could have a spectaculor season as a result. Kasper will also help AJ. DD will be DD and we could be a jurganot. But it simply depends on the O-line getting it together - oh I also forgot - Palmer recognizing what he has.

Hervoyel
08-15-2005, 12:57 PM
Interesting. I don't think Kasper makes the final 53.

Ibar_Harry
08-15-2005, 01:08 PM
Interesting. I don't think Kasper makes the final 53.The reports out of camp have been great foot work, has great hands and has made a number of spectaculor catches. I think he's going to be one of the surprises of this year. Carr has needed a go to guy other than AJ and I think Kasper might be it. I'm praying that Mathis's injury will heal, because I think these 3 receivers give us much of what Indy has and may be more. Do not under estimate what Mathis's speed and hands will mean to this ball club. He's a very, very much better Bradford. I don't think Bradford is going to make this team unless injuries play a part. I have said the same of Swinton.

Double Barrel
08-15-2005, 01:15 PM
9-7...our first winning record! :thumbup

And the Texans will either make or miss the playoffs due to a tie-breaker where another team wins/loses to help or prevent us from getting the wildcard.

texasguy346
08-15-2005, 01:16 PM
10 - 6

09.11 at Buffalo: Win - I think Losman will get rattled by the Texans defense. The Bills defense will be tough, but the Texans manage to get the W.

09.18 Pittsburgh: Loss - The Steelers won't win as many games as last year, but they still have enough firepower to beat us.

10.02 at Cincinnati: Win - The Bengals will be a big test for our defense, and Carr and Palmer might get into a shootout. In the end our defense holds off Palmer and the Bengals.

10.09 Tennessee: Win - The Titans put up a good fight, but the Texans get the win.

10.16 at Seattle: Win - Alexander usually shines bright in the spotlight, but I think AJ outshines him in this game. AJ abuses the Seahawks secondary and gets 2 scores.

10.23 Indianapolis: Win - The Texans finally get over the hump by putting a ton of pressure on Manning. The improved running attack helps us beat the Cover 2.

10.30 Cleveland: Win - The loss last season left a bad taste in the mouths of the team and the fans. The Texans avenge the loss.

11.06 at Jacksonville: Loss - The Jags will not be swept this season, and they play well enough at home to get the win.

11.13 at Indianapolis: Loss - Indy is tough on their home turf, and the Texans can't find a way to stop the Colts offensive attack. Tough back to back losses.

11.20 Kansas City: Loss - Big time audience means a big time performance from our Texans. KC has an improved defense, but the Texans manage to keep up with the Chiefs offense for a few quarters only to come up short in the fourth.

11.27 St. Louis: Win - The Rams secondary has no chance against AJ, and the Texans improved running attack abuses their front 7. DD gets a couple of TDs.

12.04 at Baltimore: Loss - The Ravens defense will be too tough. This game could get ugly in a hurry. Boller makes a couple mistakes, but the Ravens defense keeps us from capitalizing.

12.11 at Tennessee: Loss - Tennessee refuses to be swept and the Texans go home with the loss.

12.18 Arizona: Win - The Cards have a rough time against our speedy defense, and the Texans offense seems to score at will.

12.24 Jacksonville: Win - The Jags try to play spoiler, but the Texans manage to get the win.

01.01 at San Francisco: Win - Smith should be better than he was at the beginning of the season, but he still isn't able to lead the 49ers to a victory. Texans will have to bring their A game because they can't sleep on the 49ers.

Very optimistic, but if we have a few bad breaks it could easily slip to 9-7 or 8-8.

wags
08-15-2005, 01:27 PM
Nevermind.

Battle Red Flash
08-15-2005, 01:47 PM
I'm thinking 10-6. But we could start 4-5, or 6-6, and win the last four games. I hope people are patient.

Diehardtexan
08-15-2005, 01:58 PM
I Say fire palmer now and get out of the way, that will shut the dooms and glooms people up now and the rest of us can enjoy the winning season.


10-6 but no playoffs, I think the wild card will come from the AFC north and Indy is going to win the south.

Lucky
08-15-2005, 02:23 PM
10-6 but no playoffs, I think the wild card will come from the AFC north and Indy is going to win the south.
Two wild card teams from each conference make the playoffs. You must be thinking Astros & the NL East. :)

GP
08-15-2005, 02:32 PM
9-7 at best. 8-8 is probably more likely.

We got all giddy about the first two games last year: San Diego and Detroit. Remember all the people predicting an easy 2-0 start? I was one of 'em.

Well, I'm more cautious this year. I have no game-to-game predictions. But I think we improve by a couple wins over last year's record.

It'll be interesting to see how it all works out.

edo783
08-15-2005, 02:51 PM
I think we start 0-2, pull it together in the off week and finish with 9-7.

Maxwel the Great
08-15-2005, 03:42 PM
I'm reading your posts while I'm playing madden :tv: , and I thought, i'll sim the season using Madden and see what he predicts for us. Well turns out Madden is a total ***** because he thinks the best we can do is 6-10. I think we could go 9-7 atleast, and if we stay healthy, 10-6/11-5, Carr to AJ is gonna be a great thing to watch at the end of the season. Davis is gonna be a unstopable force pretty soon. And Dunta Robinson, well......to me has the talent of a young Deion Sander.

Diehardtexan
08-15-2005, 04:15 PM
Two wild card teams from each conference make the playoffs. You must be thinking Astros & the NL East. :)
My bad Lucky, I'm I'm a :yahoo: Texans, we just made the playoffs. :trophy: here we come.

playoff year please
08-16-2005, 07:42 AM
I really believe we should be 10-6 at least, but I am not confident in Capers. There just doesn't seem to be enough fire in him.

Marcus
08-16-2005, 08:32 AM
I predict that the same ones that are predicting 10-6 or better . . . . are the same ones that will be creating the 'Bad playcalling/Fire Palmer/Fire Capers' threads.

Something that we can all look forward to . . :dontknowa

playoff year please
08-16-2005, 09:26 AM
you have to admit that our (their) (the teams) (the texans) (the coaches)play calling has been suspect at times. My bigger problem is that I don't see fire in Capers eyes. He always finds good news in our loses. That's not always bad, but sometimes you need to rip your team. Just my opinion as a armchair coach.

Runner
08-16-2005, 09:38 AM
you have to admit that are play calling has been suspect at times. My bigger problem is that I don't see fire in Capers eyes. He always finds good news in our loses. That's not always bad, but sometimes you need to rip your team. Just my opinion as a armchair coach.

It's hard to have fire in your eye when you are speaking in cliche.

playoff year please
08-16-2005, 09:53 AM
I can't spell our (are)

BigBull17
08-16-2005, 10:06 AM
I really believe we should be 10-6 at least, but I am not confident in Capers. There just doesn't seem to be enough fire in him.

Its Palmer im really worried about.

Austin_Texans_Fan
08-16-2005, 10:13 AM
I can't spell our (are)

Well admitting you have a problem is the first step in solving your problems. :ok:

playoff year please
08-16-2005, 10:17 AM
The head coach has the ultimate responsibility. But lets not get too much into the bad coaching stuff right now. The team is good enough. Lets hope for a healthy year, and it will be fun.

Exascor
08-16-2005, 10:40 AM
Still a little early but I'm sticking with 9-7. 7-9 or less and I'll be upset.

I second Marcus' prediction. It will come true.I predict that the same ones that are predicting 10-6 or better . . . . are the same ones that will be creating the 'Bad playcalling/Fire Palmer/Fire Capers' threads.

playoff year please
08-16-2005, 10:49 AM
There is no doubt about people calling for jobs if the team doesn't perform. That's the easiest prediction here.

Exascor
08-16-2005, 11:06 AM
There is no doubt about people calling for jobs if the team doesn't perform. That's the easiest prediction here.Yup-that's like saying "2 teams will make it to the Superbowl but only 1 will win!" That's not the prediction though.

playoff year please
08-16-2005, 11:15 AM
I may be too caught up in my work to catch what you mean by (the prediction?)

TexansFanatic
08-16-2005, 11:36 AM
******** 8-8 ********

Exascor
08-16-2005, 11:46 AM
I may be too caught up in my work to catch what you mean by (the prediction?)He predicted who would be the ones to post the 'Bad playcalling/Fire Palmer/Fire Capers' threads-not just that they would be posted.

playoff year please
08-16-2005, 11:51 AM
I take it you guys don't think 10-6 is reachable. I said at least, but that is bold. I just know we have been too close to winning many games for us to be 8-8 this year. I hope I am right, but it is a game that is played, so anything can happen.

ComstockLode
08-16-2005, 01:45 PM
I may get blasted for it, but I am completely honest and am not trying to upset anyone.

I think we will go 6-10.

We still do not have a pass rush and we still have the same offensive line that got dominated by cleveland last game of the season. Andre Johnson is still our only reciever, and if DD has to touch the ball 25+ times a game we will not be winning games, and he will end up missing time again for injuries. All the hits David is taking could end up catching up with him but I hope not.

With an offensive line and a second wideout he is a top 10 QB in the league. But until he gets either or both of those things, he will not be able to step his game up to the next level in my opinion. Thank god we didnt get harrington, because what Carr has done with the talent around him is amazing. And harrington is struggling with alot more.

I think Andre Johnson will still be a man among boys, but his production will be down with double teams non stop all season.

I think babin and dunta will continue to improve, but overall our defense will be about average in the league without a pass rush, and having to face indy twice.

Coupled with the fact that we have no depth at any position on the field other than maybe linebacker and maybe HB, we will have injuries as all teams do, and I see us struggling to win any games on the road.

rmartin65
08-16-2005, 02:06 PM
hopefully mathis can get better and become a number 2 reciever

ATX
08-16-2005, 03:06 PM
I may get blasted for it, but I am completely honest and am not trying to upset anyone.

I think we will go 6-10.

We still do not have a pass rush and we still have the same offensive line that got dominated by cleveland last game of the season. Andre Johnson is still our only reciever, and if DD has to touch the ball 25+ times a game we will not be winning games, and he will end up missing time again for injuries. All the hits David is taking could end up catching up with him but I hope not.
How do you know we don't have a pass rush, it's the preseason? this is the second year of our main Oline being together and that should help alot. i doubt they'd stink it up like they did last year. and we're not so bad on run blocking. if davis is touching the ball 25+ times a game thats a good thing, not a bad thing. that means our offense is moving the ball. so you can predict the future and say that DD will get hurt again? thats just an opinion.
as for Carr, the most time he's ever missed was in the second year, where surprisingly they gave up the fewest sacks. carr was only sacked 19 times that year.


With an offensive line and a second wideout he is a top 10 QB in the league. But until he gets either or both of those things, he will not be able to step his game up to the next level in my opinion. Thank god we didnt get harrington, because what Carr has done with the talent around him is amazing. And harrington is struggling with alot more.

I think Andre Johnson will still be a man among boys, but his production will be down with double teams non stop all season .
his production wasn't down his second season with the same receivers we have today basically. he got alot more double teams his second year than the first year and still improved. why would you think it would be down this year?

I think babin and dunta will continue to improve, but overall our defense will be about average in the league without a pass rush, and having to face indy twice.
once again, our Dline is the healthiest its been in 2 years, plus we've added Mr. T. i think we should wait until the season starts before we start saying we won't have any pass rush this year. Babin in his second year at LOLB and Peek starting should help alot in the pass rush.

Coupled with the fact that we have no depth at any position on the field other than maybe linebacker and maybe HB, we will have injuries as all teams do, and I see us struggling to win any games on the road.

We have enough depth at the Dline(TJ, Deloach), Faggins as our 3rd CB, Simmons can play all positions in the secondary, and Banks is more than adequate as our backup QB. the only weak side as far as depth i see is the Oline and TE spot. everywhere else we're either average or above average.

Marcus
08-16-2005, 04:15 PM
I take it you guys don't think 10-6 is reachable. I said at least, but that is bold. I just know we have been too close to winning many games for us to be 8-8 this year. I hope I am right, but it is a game that is played, so anything can happen.

9-7 might be reachable if . . . if they go through the season relatively injury free. 10-6 would be miraculous!

But they are not going to get through this season injury free. And although most you don't like to think about it, the injury situation effects the team's W-L record more than any amount of coaching or playcalling.

But I've been on this board since the very beginning . . . and I have seen first hand that the coaching and playcalling are ONLY reasons listed as to why this team loses. :rolleyes:

My prediction regarding the 'Bad playcalling/Fire Palmer/Fire Capers' threads stands.

disaacks3
08-16-2005, 09:19 PM
9-7 might be reachable if . . . if they go through the season relatively injury free. 10-6 would be miraculous! Yep, I'm expecting 8-8, hoping for 9-7.

But they are not going to get through this season injury free. And although most you don't like to think about it, the injury situation effects the team's W-L record more than any amount of coaching or playcalling. It certainly CAN affect it more, but it doesn't HAVE to. Depth heals many IR issues.

But I've been on this board since the very beginning . . . and I have seen first hand that the coaching and playcalling are ONLY reasons listed as to why this team loses. :rolleyes: Uh, that's a big NEGATORY on that one good buddy. Some of us viewed the 2003 campaign as 'miraculous', based on the # of big-time players on IR. That's why we were disappointed by the same team doing much worse with a healthier roster last year.

My prediction regarding the 'Bad playcalling/Fire Palmer/Fire Capers' threads stands. I'll agree with you there. The more 'unrealistic' the outlook, the more likely to call for someone's head (whether justified or not) that much earlier.

ComstockLode
08-17-2005, 12:35 AM
How do you know we don't have a pass rush, it's the preseason? this is the second year of our main Oline being together and that should help alot. i doubt they'd stink it up like they did last year. and we're not so bad on run blocking. if davis is touching the ball 25+ times a game thats a good thing, not a bad thing. that means our offense is moving the ball. so you can predict the future and say that DD will get hurt again? thats just an opinion.
as for Carr, the most time he's ever missed was in the second year, where surprisingly they gave up the fewest sacks. carr was only sacked 19 times that year.

his production wasn't down his second season with the same receivers we have today basically. he got alot more double teams his second year than the first year and still improved. why would you think it would be down this year?

once again, our Dline is the healthiest its been in 2 years, plus we've added Mr. T. i think we should wait until the season starts before we start saying we won't have any pass rush this year. Babin in his second year at LOLB and Peek starting should help alot in the pass rush.

We have enough depth at the Dline(TJ, Deloach), Faggins as our 3rd CB, Simmons can play all positions in the secondary, and Banks is more than adequate as our backup QB. the only weak side as far as depth i see is the Oline and TE spot. everywhere else we're either average or above average.

Regarding the pass rush: What has improved since last year? We are relying on the same defensive linemen to take up blocks and create a push on the pocket. Our outside pass rush was non existent last year plain and simple. We only had 24 sacks total last year..... That is it. That is horrible.
That is the worst in the whole NFL!!!! How did we improve this situation? We hope a second year OLB who overachieved last year to suddenly put up double digit sacks?

Our offensive line: We have the same players from last year. We did not improve. You cant get lemonade out of a terd. Our offensive line is sorry. Period. It isnt good. You can have ten years of experience together and they would still suck. At no position except right tackle are we even above average.

We were seventh in the league in sacks allowed. We were 24th in the league in yards per rushing attempt. How does that sound good anyway you look at it?

Quarterback: David Carr has done amazing considering the slop that is in front of him. He has gotten lucky not to get injured thus far. You can only play russian roulette so many times before you will lose. He takes some ridiculous hits even though half of his passes are rollouts and three step drops to avoid him from getting nailed every other play.

Look at that sacks stat one more time. Seventh in the league in sacks. And I guarentee we were in the top 5 in the league in three step drops. Maybe this will sink in to you. We were 24th in the league in passing attempts in the league, yet were 7th in the league in sacks per game. Let me repeat that is horrible!

Andre Johnson: He put up most of his stats early in the season before teams figured out they could roll all their coverage over to him

Results: Last 4 games of the season he put up 34, 31, 46, and 13 yards recieving.

Will he put up stats like that all of next year? Of course not he is a legitimate star reciever in this league. But I am going to suggest that his stats will decline through no fault of his own, but the fault of the offensive line and no secondary reciever to take any pressure off of him. Gaffney's best plays last year came from reverses....

I know its hard to be anything but loyal to the players on this team for you. But our offensive line/defensive line play is well below average.

And I am a firm believer that the game is won and lost in the trenches, and we are bad on both sides of the trenches.

I also am very skeptical about greenwood living up to what sharper does. He could and I hope he has an amazing season, but in reality I dont expect him too. Plus you have a former defensive end in college moving to the other MLB spot, and we might have a problem stopping the run.

Just so you know, I am hoping I am proved wronged and we go 10-6 and make the playoffs. But why dont you check the lines in vegas and see where they expect us to finish.

The line is 7.5 Do what you want with it.

ATX
08-17-2005, 12:46 AM
Regarding the pass rush: What has improved since last year? We are relying on the same defensive linemen to take up blocks and create a push on the pocket. Our outside pass rush was non existent last year plain and simple. We only had 24 sacks total last year..... That is it. That is horrible.
That is the worst in the whole NFL!!!! How did we improve this situation? We hope a second year OLB who overachieved last year to suddenly put up double digit sacks?

Our offensive line: We have the same players from last year. We did not improve. You cant get lemonade out of a terd. Our offensive line is sorry. Period. It isnt good. You can have ten years of experience together and they would still suck. At no position except right tackle are we even above average.

We were seventh in the league in sacks allowed. We were 24th in the league in yards per rushing attempt. How does that sound good anyway you look at it?

Quarterback: David Carr has done amazing considering the slop that is in front of him. He has gotten lucky not to get injured thus far. You can only play russian roulette so many times before you will lose. He takes some ridiculous hits even though half of his passes are rollouts and three step drops to avoid him from getting nailed every other play.

Look at that sacks stat one more time. Seventh in the league in sacks. And I guarentee we were in the top 5 in the league in three step drops. Maybe this will sink in to you. We were 24th in the league in passing attempts in the league, yet were 7th in the league in sacks per game. Let me repeat that is horrible!

Andre Johnson: He put up most of his stats early in the season before teams figured out they could roll all their coverage over to him

Results: Last 4 games of the season he put up 34, 31, 46, and 13 yards recieving.

Will he put up stats like that all of next year? Of course not he is a legitimate star reciever in this league. But I am going to suggest that his stats will decline through no fault of his own, but the fault of the offensive line and no secondary reciever to take any pressure off of him. Gaffney's best plays last year came from reverses....

I know its hard to be anything but loyal to the players on this team for you. But our offensive line/defensive line play is well below average.

And I am a firm believer that the game is won and lost in the trenches, and we are bad on both sides of the trenches.

I also am very skeptical about greenwood living up to what sharper does. He could and I hope he has an amazing season, but in reality I dont expect him too. Plus you have a former defensive end in college moving to the other MLB spot, and we might have a problem stopping the run.

Just so you know, I am hoping I am proved wronged and we go 10-6 and make the playoffs. But why dont you check the lines in vegas and see where they expect us to finish.

The line is 7.5 Do what you want with it.


Do you not believe that players improve as time goes by and that offensive and defensive units who play together get better. Look at our top 3 on Offense. Carr has improved every year. Johnson has improved every year. Davis has improved ever year. This applies to alot of the team as well. This is the NFL and if you don't improve, you get cut. as for defensive linemen, i guess you didn't read my whole post where i answered some questions. The Dline this year will be the healthiest since the first season. Payne and Walker are both fully healthy and ready to go. We got the top Lineman in the draft to replace anybody who goes down, its not our weakest spot. I wouldn't see why Babin wouldn't improve over last season and having Peek in there will give us some moe pass rush. As for Carr rolling out prior to this preseason, i really haven't noticed Carr doing that much in the past. have you been watching the ames or what. He usually does a 3-5 step drop, not a big rollout QB. So much pessimism so early in the preseason. we haven't even really got a glimpse of what the season will bring. i know every one says wait until the season starts, but some of the things you're saying are so far off. I just really don't know why you think the whole team is going to regress so much.

ComstockLode
08-17-2005, 01:08 AM
Do you not believe that players improve as time goes by and that offensive and defensive units who play together get better. Look at our top 3 on Offense. Carr has improved every year. Johnson has improved every year. Davis has improved ever year. This applies to alot of the team as well. This is the NFL and if you don't improve, you get cut. as for defensive linemen, i guess you didn't read my whole post where i answered some questions. The Dline this year will be the healthiest since the first season. Payne and Walker are both fully healthy and ready to go. We got the top Lineman in the draft to replace anybody who goes down, its not our weakest spot. I wouldn't see why Babin wouldn't improve over last season and having Peek in there will give us some moe pass rush. As for Carr rolling out prior to this preseason, i really haven't noticed Carr doing that much in the past. have you been watching the ames or what. He usually does a 3-5 step drop, not a big rollout QB. So much pessimism so early in the preseason. we haven't even really got a glimpse of what the season will bring. i know every one says wait until the season starts, but some of the things you're saying are so far off. I just really don't know why you think the whole team is going to regress so much.

I am pessismistic, because we didnt improve our two weakest areas over the offseason. We lost the two veteran leaders of our defense, and replaced them with unproven young players in an already young defense. I think the defense will be worse than last year, and i dont see how the offense will improve over last year.

Like I said, hopefully I am wrong. But I dont see any teams being over .500 with one of the top5 worst offensive lines in the league.

Edit: And yes I watched every game last season as well as being at four of them including the cleveland browns game. Its hard to have any optimism when the cleveland browns defensive line dominated us....

And the wonderful fans start screaming at Carr to throw the ball downfield and I wanted to shove my foot down their throats. I am sorry, but our offensive line is pathetic. PATHETIC.

Get that man some help so he isnt running for his life every *******ing down, or give him a chance to look at someone besides his primary and then immediately to the check down. The statement I hear over and over is that this offensive line just needs experience. No, what this offensive line needs is some new faces. I would prefer to have Carr healthy and around for the length of a long career. Not an injury plagued career.

ATX
08-17-2005, 01:23 AM
I am pessismistic, because we didnt improve our two weakest areas over the offseason. We lost the two veteran leaders of our defense, and replaced them with unproven young players in an already young defense. I think the defense will be worse than last year, and i dont see how the offense will improve over last year.

Like I said, hopefully I am wrong. But I dont see any teams being over .500 with one of the top5 worst offensive lines in the league.

Edit: And yes I watched every game last season as well as being at four of them including the cleveland browns game. Its hard to have any optimism when the cleveland browns defensive line dominated us....

And the wonderful fans start screaming at Carr to throw the ball downfield and I wanted to shove my foot down their throats. I am sorry, but our offensive line is pathetic. PATHETIC.

Get that man some help so he isnt running for his life every *******ing down, or give him a chance to look at someone besides his primary and then immediately to the check down. The statement I hear over and over is that this offensive line just needs experience. No, what this offensive line needs is some new faces. I would prefer to have Carr healthy and around for the length of a long career. Not an injury plagued career.

Our two weakest areas have been Oline and Dline. I think we improved our Dline alot. Last season is last season, so we have to forget about the cleveland game. that doesn't count any more, its over. In regards to our defense and the new acquistions, we just have to wait and see. but i do know one thing. Glenn and Sharper were on the downside of their career and we needed improvement. both were too slow for our defense to work, so we added faster players. I'm excited about that. i'll just wait to the season to start before i judge our Defense. As for the Offense, barring major injuries, I just don't see why we wouldn't improve if we bring back 10-11 starters from last year. we can't just go out and bring in Free Agents and expect our team to work. we have to develop them into Texans. we're almost there, and i see a bright future. :texflag:

TexHorns
08-17-2005, 05:09 AM
I would like to hear everyones opinion. I will post mine when I have time.

Super Bowl here we come. I cant wait, maybe this year Pam Anderson will do the half-time show.





She could jump up and down a few times then show her left.............................................. .............forget it.

TexHorns
08-17-2005, 05:14 AM
Realistically I say 10-6 is my high and 8-8 low

Bubbajwp
08-17-2005, 03:17 PM
The only way the Texans win 10 games is if peyton gets hurt
We still do not have a pass rush
I disagree i think that Peek and TJ will help our pass rush alot :ok:
Andre Johnson is still our only reciever, and if DD has to touch the ball 25+ times a game we will not be winning games, and he will end up missing time again for injuries. All the hits David is taking could end up catching up with him but I hope not.
I agree all the way.
6-10 at worst 10-6 at best
most likely 8-8

Marcus
08-17-2005, 04:21 PM
I think ComstockLoad has made some valid points. And I can't fault him for being pessimistic. I know it busts some peoples bubbles, but he is right when he says the battles are won in the trenches.

The issue that I have with these 10-6 predictions, is that they are based on the 1st-team talent level. I hear this comment all the time. "We have the talent to go to the playoffs, so if they don't, then the coaches are not coaching them right." Or the old reliable, "The playcalling sucks!"

A playoff caliber team in today's NFL has two things. They have both quality talent, and quality depth.. To have quality depth, a team has to meet 3 conditions.

1) Quarterback. You need a reserve quarterback that is capable of leading the team downfield, and putting points on the board.

2) Running back. You need a reserve running back that is capable of rushing for at least 1000 yards a season if he was playing full time.

3) Offensive lineman. You need an reserve offensive lineman that is capable of coming in and filling any position on the line, and be good enough so that defenses don't key on it as a weakness. In other words, good enough to not get your quarterback killed. He can't be some deer-in-the-headlights rookie, or some slug journeyman castoff.

The other positions are important also, but it's possible to 'cheat' your way in anyway if you lose a key player, but those 3 are must haves for a 16-game grind.

Now, I understand that those 3 conditions are difficult given today's salary cap NFL. Those types of reserves cost money. Some teams are able to do it. But these are teams that have been around a lot longer than the Texans.

But the question is . . . for this season, does this team have the quality depth needed to get to the playoffs?

If you take the :homer: glasses off, the answer should be pretty easy.

Rightnow
08-17-2005, 04:29 PM
My turn:

Buffalo W No problem here
Pittsburgh L Sorry, but no
Cincinnati L Texans forums melt down
Tennessee W They haven’t gotten better
Seattle L Not sure about this game, maybe a win
Indy L We’ve gotten better, but they are still better than our improved team
Cleveland W Revenge
Jacksonville L They are going to be the real rival in the division for years
Indy L A blow out
Kansas City L Payback for last year
St Louis L They are making a playoff run
Baltimore L They score with their defense as Carr is knocked out of the game thanks to the O-line
Tennessee W Sweep
Arizona W Tough, tough game but we do it
Jacksonville W They won’t sweep us
San Francisco W They have given up all hope

7-9 or 8-8 depending on Seattle

Jacksonville gets a wildcard spot, Indy doesn’t make it to the super bowl again, Palmer stays on and a scapegoat is fired instead, Carr misses some game time due to O-line, DD is too much of the offense again, AJ doesn’t make the Pro Bowl as he is doubled every single play and his stats suffer, some of the losses are directly related to a bad O-line

Until Manning retires or misses a season from injuries we will never win this division. We will always be looking for a wildcard. That means our main rival in the future will be Jacksonville as Tennessee has years of rebuilding to do after McNair retires.

Oilers/Texans
08-17-2005, 06:34 PM
I hope the last game the Texans play this season is in Detroit.

ComstockLode
08-17-2005, 06:43 PM
I think ComstockLoad has made some valid points. And I can't fault him for being pessimistic. I know it busts some peoples bubbles, but he is right when he says the battles are won in the trenches.

The issue that I have with these 10-6 predictions, is that they are based on the 1st-team talent level. I hear this comment all the time. "We have the talent to go to the playoffs, so if they don't, then the coaches are not coaching them right." Or the old reliable, "The playcalling sucks!"

A playoff caliber team in today's NFL has two things. They have both quality talent, and quality depth.. To have quality depth, a team has to meet 3 conditions.

1) Quarterback. You need a reserve quarterback that is capable of leading the team downfield, and putting points on the board.

2) Running back. You need a reserve running back that is capable of rushing for at least 1000 yards a season if he was playing full time.

3) Offensive lineman. You need an reserve offensive lineman that is capable of coming in and filling any position on the line, and be good enough so that defenses don't key on it as a weakness. In other words, good enough to not get your quarterback killed. He can't be some deer-in-the-headlights rookie, or some slug journeyman castoff.

The other positions are important also, but it's possible to 'cheat' your way in anyway if you lose a key player, but those 3 are must haves for a 16-game grind.

Now, I understand that those 3 conditions are difficult given today's salary cap NFL. Those types of reserves cost money. Some teams are able to do it. But these are teams that have been around a lot longer than the Texans.

But the question is . . . for this season, does this team have the quality depth needed to get to the playoffs?

If you take the :homer: glasses off, the answer should be pretty easy.


In so many words I agree with everything you pointed out.

Our depth scares me. Someone on this team that is very important will get hurt for a substantial amount of time. This happens to every team every year. Just hope it isnt Carr or Johnson, or you can really expect a great season.

I know alot of people hate palmer, but the playcalling isnt so much the problem, it is the personnel. He has tried to limit the sacks by alot of 3 and 5 step drops. The opposing defenses get alot of pressure, and we run alot of screen plays to DD. Seems like good coaching to me. Bottomline I will throw this stat at you one more time. We were 24th in the league in passing attempts, yet we were 7th in the league in sacks allowed....which is besides the fact that we probably run the most 3 step drops in the league.

If anyone should be on the chopping block it is casserly.

ATX
08-17-2005, 06:43 PM
A playoff caliber team in today's NFL has two things. They have both quality talent, and quality depth.. To have quality depth, a team has to meet 3 conditions.

1) Quarterback. You need a reserve quarterback that is capable of leading the team downfield, and putting points on the board.

2) Running back. You need a reserve running back that is capable of rushing for at least 1000 yards a season if he was playing full time.

3) Offensive lineman. You need an reserve offensive lineman that is capable of coming in and filling any position on the line, and be good enough so that defenses don't key on it as a weakness. In other words, good enough to not get your quarterback killed. He can't be some deer-in-the-headlights rookie, or some slug journeyman castoff.


1. Tony Banks isn't a bad backup for QB. Who does New England, Philly, Indy, and Atlanta have for backups? are they any better than Banks?
2. If DD were to go down, I think Wells or Hollings, or a combination could step up and give 1,000 yards, but 1,000 yards isn't all that much by today's NFL standards. If you took Wells' numbers 82 carries for 299 yards and gave him 302 like DD had, he would have 1087 yards, averaging 3.6 yards to DD's 3.9 yards per carry.
3. now this is the weakness of the team as it always has been. guess we'll have to wait and see how they do.

Waltman
08-17-2005, 07:12 PM
A wild card spot is better than nothing and that's all we need to do some damage in the playoffs. I think we are going raise a few eyebrows this year. There's always a couple of teams that sleep on us and if we could just beat the one's we're suppose to, we will be in the playoffs whether by wild card or out right taking it. This is the year. :ok: :texflag:

NoBullTexan
08-17-2005, 07:23 PM
In so many words I agree with everything you pointed out.

I know alot of people hate palmer, but the playcalling isnt so much the problem, it is the personnel. He has tried to limit the sacks by alot of 3 and 5 step drops. The opposing defenses get alot of pressure, and we run alot of screen plays to DD. Seems like good coaching to me. Bottomline I will throw this stat at you one more time. We were 24th in the league in passing attempts, yet we were 7th in the league in sacks allowed....which is besides the fact that we probably run the most 3 step drops in the league.[/B]

If anyone should be on the chopping block it is casserly.

Why in the heck should you say Casserly should be on the chopping block? The Dude has done an excellent job of making something out of nothing four years ago. Everything this team is, or hopes to be, is because of Charley's efforts.

It is not Palmer's game calling in the past that is so galling, it is Caper's philosophy of Keep It Close till the Fourth Quarter, and then Try to Win It Then! At some point you have to start coaching a more up field, put in the air type of game, especially when the league is dedicated to doing it that way. Do we have the personnel right now to do it, especially on the OL, Maybe not, but you will have to start coaching it, at some point, to really find out if these guys can learn pass blocking or not. :texans:

Wolf
08-17-2005, 07:28 PM
Why in the heck should you say Casserly should be on the chopping block? The Dude has done an excellent job of making something out of nothing four years ago. Everything this team is, or hopes to be, is because of Charley's efforts.

It is not Palmer's game calling in the past that is so galling, it is Caper's philosophy of Keep It Close till the Fourth Quarter, and then Try to Win It Then! At some point you have to start coaching a more up field, put in the air type of game, especially when the league is dedicated to doing it that way. Do we have the personnel right now to do it, especially on the OL, Maybe not, but you will have to start coaching it, at some point, to really find out if these guys can learn pass blocking or not. :texans:
exactly... you can insert Jeff Fisher where Capers name is .. because that was the complaints about Jeff when he took over the Oilers

infantrycak
08-17-2005, 10:24 PM
we run alot of screen plays to DD. Seems like good coaching to me. Bottomline I will throw this stat at you one more time. We were 24th in the league in passing attempts, yet we were 7th in the league in sacks allowed....which is besides the fact that we probably run the most 3 step drops in the league.[/B]

If anyone should be on the chopping block it is casserly.

Sorry, but no. Have to watch what is going on a little more closely. Designed screens to DD have almost never been the call the last two years. In 2003 3 step drops were frequent, but not last year.

As for the stats, maybe a more in depth look would be usefull:

23rd completions per game
11th on completion %
16th on yards
14th on 1st downs

Seems the passing O wasn't quite as bad as made out.

ComstockLode
08-18-2005, 12:36 PM
Sorry, but no. Have to watch what is going on a little more closely. Designed screens to DD have almost never been the call the last two years. In 2003 3 step drops were frequent, but not last year.

As for the stats, maybe a more in depth look would be usefull:

23rd completions per game
11th on completion %
16th on yards
14th on 1st downs

Seems the passing O wasn't quite as bad as made out.

I am not attacking the passing offense as a whole, I am attacking the offensive line.

bills_phan
08-18-2005, 01:14 PM
11-5 and it happens like this (Copied from a previous thread)


09.11 at Buffalo: W

New starting QB and the Texans remembering what happened against San Diego in the 2004 opener. I think the team takes this one seriously and we go 1-0

2002- 4-12
2003- 5-11
2004- 7-9

2005- 11-5
Wins: Buffalo, Cincinnati, Tennessee, Indianapolis, Cleveland, Jacksonville, Kansas City, Arizona, Tennessee, Jacksonville, San Francisco.

8-8


09.11 at Buffalo: W

I think we win with this one, despite having trouble with their defense.

Buffalo W Losman is too green to handle the defense

10 - 6

09.11 at Buffalo: Win - I think Losman will get rattled by the Texans defense. The Bills defense will be tough, but the Texans manage to get the W.

My turn:

Buffalo W No problem here

Well, here's my first post, and all I've got to say is...WOW.

I guess I didn't realize how far the expansion Texans have come in the past couple of years. There seems to be a lot of confidence about the opener from the fans here, but I wouldn't look past the Bills and thier #2 defense (#1 in takeaways btw) if I were you, especially at HOME. Actually, on second thought, I hope the Texan players share your confidence and look ahead to Pittsburgh. If they do, I don't think I'm out of line in predicting an 0-2 start for the horns.

I'm not really here to talk smack, but geez...have some respect for the D. Espeically with your O-line and Carr's habit of holding the ball too long!


GO BILLS!!!

Austin_Texans_Fan
08-18-2005, 01:21 PM
Well, here's my first post, and all I've got to say is...WOW.

I guess I didn't realize how far the expansion Texans have come in the past couple of years. There seems to be a lot of confidence about the opener from the fans here, but I wouldn't look past the Bills and thier #2 defense (#1 in takeaways btw) if I were you, especially at HOME. Actually, on second thought, I hope the Texan players share your confidence and look ahead to Pittsburgh. If they do, I don't think I'm out of line in predicting an 0-2 start for the horns.

I'm not really here to talk smack, but geez...have some respect for the D. Espeically with your O-line and Carr's habit of holding the ball too long!


GO BILLS!!!


Thanks for the advice, but I think this town still has some payback to beat into the bills.

Not that we think about "THAT" game very much.

bills_phan
08-18-2005, 01:28 PM
Thanks for the advice, but I think this town still has some payback to beat into the bills.

Not that we think about "THAT" game very much.
We in Buffalo think of the Music City Forward Lateral as payback for The Comeback. I know that doesn't help you guys, but it was the same franchise. You guys got a fresh start with the Texans!

Austin_Texans_Fan
08-18-2005, 01:30 PM
We in Buffalo think of the Music City Forward Lateral as payback for The Comeback. I know that doesn't help you guys, but it was the same franchise. You guys got a fresh start with the Texans!

Well at least we can both agree that the Titans suck..... :texflag:

See yeah in a few weeks.

Hervoyel
08-18-2005, 04:22 PM
Well, here's my first post, and all I've got to say is...WOW.

I guess I didn't realize how far the expansion Texans have come in the past couple of years. There seems to be a lot of confidence about the opener from the fans here, but I wouldn't look past the Bills and thier #2 defense (#1 in takeaways btw) if I were you, especially at HOME. Actually, on second thought, I hope the Texan players share your confidence and look ahead to Pittsburgh. If they do, I don't think I'm out of line in predicting an 0-2 start for the horns.

I'm not really here to talk smack, but geez...have some respect for the D. Espeically with your O-line and Carr's habit of holding the ball too long!


GO BILLS!!!

I'm predicting a win for the Texans based on that exact same sentiment. I don't believe the Texans will overlook the Bills even a little bit. Yes the Texans have come far in their 3 seasons and yes, the narrowly lost to the bills in 2002, then narrowly beat them in 2003. None of that matters here. The reason the Texans come to play has more to do with their growth and the way they finished 2004 against the Cleveland Browns. Against the skid marks we got owned and the team has had an entire offseason to dwell on that game.

I expect them to start the season very focused. At worst (for us) we're going to give the Bills a real challenge to start their year. At best (again, for us) we're going to win on the road to start our year.

Being a Texans fan I'm obliged to predict it our way.

RalphJr
08-19-2005, 12:59 PM
The reason the Texans come to play has more to do with their growth and the way they finished 2004 against the Cleveland Browns. Against the skid marks we got owned and the team has had an entire offseason to dwell on that game.



Bills are in a similar situation, after winning 6 straight and then BLOWING IT against Pitt's second string for a playoff berth. That is clearly a game that stuck in a lot of Buffalo players' craws. ESPECIALLY the Defense and Takeo.

I hope both teams are focused, cuz just as Buffalo had no business losing to the second stringers of Pitt, you guys had no business losing to one of the (if not THE) worst teams in the league. Both teams are better than that.

23 days and counting! :hyper:

Marcus
08-21-2005, 11:20 AM
For all you 10-6 ers out there:

With 3 weeks to go, you still have plenty of time to change your predictions as you watch more and more preseason games.

Just letting you know you have that option. :tiptoe:

ComstockLode
08-21-2005, 08:07 PM
Regarding the pass rush: What has improved since last year? We are relying on the same defensive linemen to take up blocks and create a push on the pocket. Our outside pass rush was non existent last year plain and simple. We only had 24 sacks total last year..... That is it. That is horrible.
That is the worst in the whole NFL!!!! How did we improve this situation? We hope a second year OLB who overachieved last year to suddenly put up double digit sacks?

Our offensive line: We have the same players from last year. We did not improve. You cant get lemonade out of a terd. Our offensive line is sorry. Period. It isnt good. You can have ten years of experience together and they would still suck. At no position except right tackle are we even above average.

We were seventh in the league in sacks allowed. We were 24th in the league in yards per rushing attempt. How does that sound good anyway you look at it?

Quarterback: David Carr has done amazing considering the slop that is in front of him. He has gotten lucky not to get injured thus far. You can only play russian roulette so many times before you will lose. He takes some ridiculous hits even though half of his passes are rollouts and three step drops to avoid him from getting nailed every other play.

Look at that sacks stat one more time. Seventh in the league in sacks. And I guarentee we were in the top 5 in the league in three step drops. Maybe this will sink in to you. We were 24th in the league in passing attempts in the league, yet were 7th in the league in sacks per game. Let me repeat that is horrible!

Andre Johnson: He put up most of his stats early in the season before teams figured out they could roll all their coverage over to him

Results: Last 4 games of the season he put up 34, 31, 46, and 13 yards recieving.

Will he put up stats like that all of next year? Of course not he is a legitimate star reciever in this league. But I am going to suggest that his stats will decline through no fault of his own, but the fault of the offensive line and no secondary reciever to take any pressure off of him. Gaffney's best plays last year came from reverses....

I know its hard to be anything but loyal to the players on this team for you. But our offensive line/defensive line play is well below average.

And I am a firm believer that the game is won and lost in the trenches, and we are bad on both sides of the trenches.

I also am very skeptical about greenwood living up to what sharper does. He could and I hope he has an amazing season, but in reality I dont expect him too. Plus you have a former defensive end in college moving to the other MLB spot, and we might have a problem stopping the run.

Just so you know, I am hoping I am proved wronged and we go 10-6 and make the playoffs. But why dont you check the lines in vegas and see where they expect us to finish.

The line is 7.5 Do what you want with it.

After another preseason game it still looks like everything I have said so far is still a problem.

But of course its only preseason, but I saw the same problems we had last year....

Fritz5000
08-21-2005, 09:05 PM
You hit the nail on the head! We have very little to be exited about this year. No drastic changes in our O line, a mediocre receiving core, zero pass rush and a "D+" defensive secondary. I'm a huge Texans fan, but I don't see them winning more than 8 games this season.

I did see some positive things during the Oakland game from a few new guys like Morency and Swinton. Mathis could be a difference maker after a year or two as he gains some experience and confidence. My biggest complaint year after year is the conservative play calling. Until we start throwing the ball downfield, defenses will continue to play our predictable run game and our average points per game will be held to below 20. We wont win many games on fieldgoals alone.

Grid
08-21-2005, 10:06 PM
"You hit the nail on the head! We have very little to be exited about this year. No drastic changes in our O line, a mediocre receiving core, zero pass rush and a "D+" defensive secondary. I'm a huge Texans fan"

lol: lol: lol: lol:


Hyprocrisy at its best.

BTW.. we have the second best receiving corp in our division.. and id say we rank in the top 10, or close to it, in the league. And we have one of the best defensive secondaries in the league.

ComstockLode
08-22-2005, 12:16 AM
You hit the nail on the head! We have very little to be exited about this year. No drastic changes in our O line, a mediocre receiving core, zero pass rush and a "D+" defensive secondary. I'm a huge Texans fan, but I don't see them winning more than 8 games this season.

I did see some positive things during the Oakland game from a few new guys like Morency and Swinton. Mathis could be a difference maker after a year or two as he gains some experience and confidence. My biggest complaint year after year is the conservative play calling. Until we start throwing the ball downfield, defenses will continue to play our predictable run game and our average points per game will be held to below 20. We wont win many games on fieldgoals alone.

I can answer your sarcastic remarks pretty easily actually.

I think our Oline is unacceptable and our team did nothing in the offseason to improve it. I have a huge problem with that.

Our pass rush was the worst in the league. I have a huge problem with that.

Games are won and lose at the line of scrimmage.

I am a realist. I try not to wear the homer glasses when cheering for my team. It also doesnt set myself up for a huge disappointment if the team does alot worse than I expect.

If you want me to throw out optimism here it is:

Domanick Davis was an incredible diamond in the rough and we are lucky to have him. I do not think he has injury problems because he is injury prone, I think he touches the ball WAY too many times a game for him to have a healthy career.

David Carr was worth the number 1 pick. And what he has done with that offensive line in front of him was amazing last year.

Andre Johnson is a beast. Nothing else needs to be said.

Dunta Robinson is a beast. Nothing else needs to be said.

We have a top 10 secondary this year.

Babin was worth trading up for. He has been impressive thus far.

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Now on to your comments. Our secondary cannot be as effective as they can be without a pass rush. You cannot expect Deion Sanders in his prime to cover a reciever for 5 plus seconds muchless our secondary. We will get burned until we learn to get pressure on the QB.

Your assumption that we dont throw the ball enough downfield is wrong in my opinion. You cannot throw the ball downfield unless you have the protection. The only way our team has been able to throw the ball downfield has been in max protection sets where we only send out 2 wide recievers. The problem with throwing the ball downfield to andre in these situations is that he is being double teamed on every play. And although andre is amazing, I dont like his chances most of the time through double teams.

Ask the redskins two years ago what happens when you try to throw the ball downfield without the offensive line capabilities to do it. Your QB gets murdered.

Bottomline, I hope I am a complete ***** and all of you get to talk mess about how wrong I was as we make our first trip into the playoffs.

But my honest opinion is what it is.

My optimistic side says our offensive line meshes together and that was our only problem, and DD puts up 1500, David puts up a 3-1 TD-INT ratio. But if I look at it realistically, I really dont see that happening.

mancunian
08-22-2005, 07:12 AM
We'll be 9 -7 but miss the play offs.

AFC Playoff teams
Patriots, San Diego, Steelers, Colts, Bengals and Jaguars.

If there's no winning season Capers will be gone.

I like Gary Kubiack the Broncos Offensive Co-ordinator, they usually have pretty good O- line with plenty 1000 yard rushers over the last few years.

disaacks3
08-22-2005, 01:22 PM
"You hit the nail on the head! We have very little to be exited about this year. No drastic changes in our O line, a mediocre receiving core, zero pass rush and a "D+" defensive secondary. I'm a huge Texans fan"

Hyprocrisy at its best.

BTW.. we have the second best receiving corp in our division.. and id say we rank in the top 10, or close to it, in the league. And we have one of the best defensive secondaries in the league.

Yep, another person mentions flaws in the Texans "jewel" and is labeled a hypocrite. I guess true fans aren't allowed to "call it as they see it", huh?

2nd best receiving core? Based on what? Yes, AJ is a top-five guy, but what comes after that? Gaffney made great strides last year, but he's not a legitimate #2 threat (yet) that we hoped when he was drafted 33rd overall. Beyond that, we have the journeyman Bradford who is as hot & cold a guy as there is. We have lots of 'potential' in the rest, but no proven players.

One of the best secondaries? Once again, we've got one stud (Robinson) and then it's a total crapshoot. P-Buc looked ABYSMAL on the Raiders first two series Saturday night (after looking sluggish in the opener). His "Ole" tackle on the 1st drive was especially impressive, let me tell you... :ok:

The offseason rebuilding of the Defense hasn't looked that fantastic as yet. This year's first pick nearly got knocked on his keister by a One-Handed shove from Gallery. Our non-Blitz pass rush is non-existant. The Texans have lots of "potential", but until we turn that talent into a consistent "W" against such powerhouses as Cleveland, it'll be hard for the league to take us seriously.

wags
08-22-2005, 01:26 PM
His "Ole" tackle on the 1st drive was especially impressive, let me tell you... :ok:

I was waiting for someone to mention that. The best part is the announcer was saying how Buchanan was a sure tackler. :confused:

Crank_It_Up
09-01-2005, 11:50 PM
a combination of their opponents and the texans progress will yield a horrible start for the season... 3-9 after the first 12 games, however they will win at least 3 or 4 of their last 4 games, creating some hope for next year when they will make the playoffs.

bigcarlos
09-01-2005, 11:53 PM
We are in trouble. I say we only win 5. Capers and company gone. To this day our biggest win is still 09/08/02.

ComstockLode
09-11-2005, 07:38 PM
Regarding the pass rush: What has improved since last year? We are relying on the same defensive linemen to take up blocks and create a push on the pocket. Our outside pass rush was non existent last year plain and simple. We only had 24 sacks total last year..... That is it. That is horrible.
That is the worst in the whole NFL!!!! How did we improve this situation? We hope a second year OLB who overachieved last year to suddenly put up double digit sacks?

Our offensive line: We have the same players from last year. We did not improve. You cant get lemonade out of a terd. Our offensive line is sorry. Period. It isnt good. You can have ten years of experience together and they would still suck. At no position except right tackle are we even above average.

We were seventh in the league in sacks allowed. We were 24th in the league in yards per rushing attempt. How does that sound good anyway you look at it?

Quarterback: David Carr has done amazing considering the slop that is in front of him. He has gotten lucky not to get injured thus far. You can only play russian roulette so many times before you will lose. He takes some ridiculous hits even though half of his passes are rollouts and three step drops to avoid him from getting nailed every other play.

Look at that sacks stat one more time. Seventh in the league in sacks. And I guarentee we were in the top 5 in the league in three step drops. Maybe this will sink in to you. We were 24th in the league in passing attempts in the league, yet were 7th in the league in sacks per game. Let me repeat that is horrible!

Andre Johnson: He put up most of his stats early in the season before teams figured out they could roll all their coverage over to him

Results: Last 4 games of the season he put up 34, 31, 46, and 13 yards recieving.

Will he put up stats like that all of next year? Of course not he is a legitimate star reciever in this league. But I am going to suggest that his stats will decline through no fault of his own, but the fault of the offensive line and no secondary reciever to take any pressure off of him. Gaffney's best plays last year came from reverses....

I know its hard to be anything but loyal to the players on this team for you. But our offensive line/defensive line play is well below average.

And I am a firm believer that the game is won and lost in the trenches, and we are bad on both sides of the trenches.

I also am very skeptical about greenwood living up to what sharper does. He could and I hope he has an amazing season, but in reality I dont expect him too. Plus you have a former defensive end in college moving to the other MLB spot, and we might have a problem stopping the run.

Just so you know, I am hoping I am proved wronged and we go 10-6 and make the playoffs. But why dont you check the lines in vegas and see where they expect us to finish.

The line is 7.5 Do what you want with it.

Wow.... This guy above sounds smart even though he said this before the preseason even started....

ComstockLode
09-11-2005, 07:47 PM
I may get blasted for it, but I am completely honest and am not trying to upset anyone.

I think we will go 6-10.

We still do not have a pass rush and we still have the same offensive line that got dominated by cleveland last game of the season. Andre Johnson is still our only reciever, and if DD has to touch the ball 25+ times a game we will not be winning games, and he will end up missing time again for injuries. All the hits David is taking could end up catching up with him but I hope not.

With an offensive line and a second wideout he is a top 10 QB in the league. But until he gets either or both of those things, he will not be able to step his game up to the next level in my opinion. Thank god we didnt get harrington, because what Carr has done with the talent around him is amazing. And harrington is struggling with alot more.

I think Andre Johnson will still be a man among boys, but his production will be down with double teams non stop all season.

I think babin and dunta will continue to improve, but overall our defense will be about average in the league without a pass rush, and having to face indy twice.

Coupled with the fact that we have no depth at any position on the field other than maybe linebacker and maybe HB, we will have injuries as all teams do, and I see us struggling to win any games on the road.

Wow this also looks like a good prediction thus far.

ComstockLode
09-18-2005, 04:40 PM
Would anyone else like to flame me???

Or maybe no one likes honesty around here?

cuppacoffee
09-18-2005, 05:22 PM
Would anyone else like to flame me???

Or maybe no one likes honesty around here?

Feels good does it?? :D

Maybe the Texans could schedule LA-L and Rice.
Nah...they would probably beat the Texans too. :jk:

cac: :coffee:

ComstockLode
09-18-2005, 05:26 PM
Feels good does it?? :D

Maybe the Texans could schedule LA-L and Rice.
Nah...they would probably beat the Texans too. :jk:

cac: :coffee:

No it just disgusts me when people call me out and say I am a pessimist. It was the truth. The team is awful.

The point matt jackson made time and time again was the best. We only have three players on this team that are above average. And they are Dunta, Andre, and Davis.

How do you expect to win games, with every player being average or below average with only three above average players?

My point was made, so alot of you should learn to wise up before you talk about people just being negative because we didnt draft DJ. (even though we should of)

We are a better team than we have played, and we will play better. But my points about our offensive line, second wideout, and front seven all seem correct. They all suck

ROYDESTROY
09-18-2005, 05:49 PM
No it just disgusts me when people call me out and say I am a pessimist. It was the truth. The team is awful.

The point matt jackson made time and time again was the best. We only have three players on this team that are above average. And they are Dunta, Andre, and Davis.

How do you expect to win games, with every player being average or below average with only three above average players?

My point was made, so alot of you should learn to wise up before you talk about people who are alot about negativity.

We are a better team than we have played, and we will play better. But my points about our offensive line, second wideout, and front seven all seem correct. They all suck


MUCH respect to you for being honest ..i see realistically a 5-11 or 6-10 too..no way this team goes 9-7 or 10-6 based on their 2 performances..thank you for being honest the homers just want to drink kool aid not truth serum