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Ibar_Harry
08-13-2005, 10:24 PM
One of the new rules this year, I believe...........

edo783
08-13-2005, 10:24 PM
funny thing is that is how the coaches taught me how to tackle.. put your head into the numbers

Yup me to, but if your head is down too far it's then a spearing type of thing. Didn't look like it to me, but the ref saw it that way.

ATX
08-13-2005, 10:25 PM
nice return by kasper. looked better than swinton so far.

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
08-13-2005, 10:25 PM
nice return for Kasper

edo783
08-13-2005, 10:26 PM
Nice KO runback by Casper. Out to the 40.

ATX
08-13-2005, 10:28 PM
the reserves are stinking it up.

ATX
08-13-2005, 10:28 PM
but more great coverage on the punt. that has been great all game.

ATX
08-13-2005, 10:33 PM
3rd team on 3rd team. nice 3 and out by the defense.

awtysst
08-13-2005, 10:39 PM
is our 3rd team o line in there too?

edo783
08-13-2005, 10:42 PM
is our 3rd team o line in there too?

Yes and some 4th stringers to.

awtysst
08-13-2005, 10:45 PM
Just out of curiosity, but what was the first team O line looking like? Also who was in what position?

edo783
08-13-2005, 10:45 PM
Nice play by Kasper on the punt. Caught it on the fly and downed it at about 2.

ATX
08-13-2005, 10:46 PM
kasper has been playing well. may be the surprise out of training camp.

Texas_Heat
08-13-2005, 10:48 PM
boo very poor showing in the 2nd half :hairpull:

ATX
08-13-2005, 10:49 PM
Just out of curiosity, but what was the first team O line looking like? Also who was in what position?

riley-LT
pitts-LG
mckinney-C
Weigert-RG
Wade-RT

hard to tell, the first team didn't play much, but no sacks or hurries on carr and DD ran alright.

awtysst
08-13-2005, 10:49 PM
boo very poor showing in the 2nd half :hairpull:

I sincrely hope the person who gave up the td is not in the first three strings

Errant Hothy
08-13-2005, 10:50 PM
Who just got BURNED, for the 92 yard TD? Whoever it is may by the first to recieve a visit from teh Turk.

ATX
08-13-2005, 10:50 PM
92 yard pass on 3rd and 3 by the broncos. man, we really look bad with our 3rd team guys out there.

awtysst
08-13-2005, 10:50 PM
riley-LT
pitts-LG
mckinney-C
Weigert-RG
Wade-RT

hard to tell, the first team didn't play much, but no sacks or hurries on carr and DD ran alright.

So its looking more and more like Reily really will be our LT heading intot he buffalo gme?

edo783
08-13-2005, 10:51 PM
Crud, mistake in the secondary and Broncos score a 92 yard TD. McKinzie pulls a hammy chasing him from acrosse the field.

ATX
08-13-2005, 10:52 PM
So its looking more and more like Reily really will be our LT heading intot he buffalo gme?
as of now i would imagine that being the case.

Errant Hothy
08-13-2005, 10:52 PM
McKinzie pulls a hammy chasing him from acrosse the field.

Now that sucks. How bad did he pull it? A twingy type pull, or teh full blown Olympic sprinter pull; can't hardly walk type.

edo783
08-13-2005, 10:53 PM
So its looking more and more like Reily really will be our LT heading intot he buffalo gme?

Could be, but Wand held his own also.

ATX
08-13-2005, 10:53 PM
jason anderson 10 yard run. symmons sacked, looks hurt.

edo783
08-13-2005, 10:54 PM
Simmon is hurt an a sack. Driven into the ground. Probably a shoulder.

awtysst
08-13-2005, 10:54 PM
Giving up 10 points in the last quarter is not good at all. Granted it is 3rd string and lower, but there might be a time when we have to use a third stringer or lower ont he first team becuase of injury. It is clear that the Broncos have more depth then we do.

ATX
08-13-2005, 10:57 PM
way too many false starts on the 2nd and 3rd team Olinemen. nice catch by starling then pitts. ragone leading a comeback?

PapaL
08-13-2005, 10:58 PM
Just catching up on the game, tivo. Every time I see Bradford, it sure seems his shoulder pads are way to big. Looks like he cant lift his arms, but sure can put a hitting on. Anyone else notice this?

ATX
08-13-2005, 10:59 PM
touchdown texans.

edo783
08-13-2005, 11:00 PM
TD. Ragone to Dunbar.

awtysst
08-13-2005, 11:02 PM
way too many false starts on the 2nd and 3rd team Olinemen. nice catch by starling then pitts. ragone leading a comeback?

That to me is a scary issue. If something happens an we need to insert a second or third teamer, we might be in serious trouble. If these thord stringers cant play agianst fellow third stringers, imagine them in there against Freeney. I hope our first team is healthy and perfroms well.

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
08-13-2005, 11:03 PM
nice onside kick lol

ATX
08-13-2005, 11:03 PM
bad onside kick. oh well, we can stop the clock twice. may have some time to get it back.

vtech9
08-13-2005, 11:05 PM
would someone please let us know who had coverage on the 92 yd TD? Who got burnt?

edo783
08-13-2005, 11:07 PM
1st down Denver & Houston out of timeouts and a 1:30 left. Unless soemthing strange happens, that should do it.

Ibar_Harry
08-13-2005, 11:08 PM
thank goodness...................

awtysst
08-13-2005, 11:09 PM
Ron Dayne has 9 rushes for 50 yds. RON Fing DAYNE!

Texas_Heat
08-13-2005, 11:11 PM
boo boo boo I waited all summer for that,this team will be lucky to go 8-8 :goodnight

Errant Hothy
08-13-2005, 11:13 PM
Let the over-reaction begin??

Everybody step away from teh ledge, it was just a preseason game, the first one at that, they are still aways from playing a game that will count.

Ibar_Harry
08-13-2005, 11:13 PM
I've posted in other posts that I think AJ, Mathis and Kasper are our best 3 receivers at this point in time and I really question the health of Gaffny. It will be interesting to see how this plays out. Each of those 3 gives you something very different when attacking the defense. I think DD, Wells and Morancy are the running backs. Of course it looks like Carr is the QB. I'm not certain what we got out of this game. Looks like Swinton was a big looser and others may name some others. Perhaps the D looked OK, but this scrimmage yielded nothing to write home about, except for special teams.

vtech9
08-13-2005, 11:16 PM
would someone please let us know who had coverage on the 92 yd TD? Who got burnt?
ANYONE??? :confused:

ANYONE??? :brickwall

awtysst
08-13-2005, 11:16 PM
Let the over-reaction begin??

Everybody step away from teh ledge, it was just a preseason game, the first one at that, they are still aways from playing a game that will count.


I think some of the overreaction is somewhat justified. While i am not gonna say they will go 8-8(which will be an improvement wuite frankly), i am dissapointed in our depth. When denver played their third string against pur third string it was clear that Denver's team was better. Whiile we will almost never face a gfirst team D with our third string(knock on wood), it is somewhat troublemsome to see that our thirds couldnt hang with Denver's.

awtysst
08-13-2005, 11:17 PM
ANYONE??? :confused:

ANYONE??? :brickwall

Watch sportscenter, they might show the play and talk about who got burned.

vtech9
08-13-2005, 11:24 PM
Watch sportscenter, they might show the play and talk about who got burned.
thanks for the help...NOT

blockhead83
08-13-2005, 11:31 PM
Honestly can't remember who the DB was on the coverage. It was one of our CB's that's way down on the list. It was a simple slant, he had good coverage but the receiver broke the tackle and was off to the races. Jammal Lord was in close pursuit but couldn't catch him, and Mckenzy (sp?) pulled his hamstring coming across the field to catch him, otherwise he appeared to be closing.

Doom Capers
08-13-2005, 11:32 PM
We did good. Davis looked awesome, except the redzone bs.

Runner
08-13-2005, 11:36 PM
Could be, but Wand held his own also.

Just got back from the game.

Wand did very well. One pancake block, a couple of times he really stood up the rusher. Allowed his man to hurry the passer once, maybe twice. His man tipped a pass once from about 7 yards away from Banks. Played 2 quarters, pretty much conrtrolled his man.

On the third and goal that they ran left (Wand and Riley both in), Wand pushed his man into the end zone and toward the sideline. Riley was next to Wand, but didn't block anybody. Linebacker on that side stuffed the play.

I'm surprised Riley didn't play more because he is an unproven commodity - especially since his conditioning may be an issue.

Austin_Texans_Fan
08-13-2005, 11:39 PM
I was happy with the game overall.

Our 1st team on offense and defense did great, except the experiment with Robair. But overall I like what I saw. I fully expected Denver to be a very deep team so at that I am not surprised.


Looking good so far.

GO TEXANS!!!

Texans Pride
08-13-2005, 11:41 PM
boo boo boo I waited all summer for that,this team will be lucky to go 8-8 :goodnight

Nice job supporting your team. It's the first preseason game of the year and you've already written your team off. :thumbdown

Fiddy
08-13-2005, 11:42 PM
boo boo boo I waited all summer for that,this team will be lucky to go 8-8 :goodnight I'm bookmarking this post...

HJam72
08-13-2005, 11:51 PM
I don't think the loss is anything to worry about. If Brown catches that pick in the endzone or DD scores (or we don't run the same play 2 different directions 4 times in a row), we win. Besides that, the first stringers did very well on both sides of the ball. We're still lacking somewhat in depth, except at the RB position, and there's too many 2nd and 3rd stringers getting penalized, but I liked what I saw tonight in a general sense.

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
08-13-2005, 11:51 PM
Tonight's game was very encouraging. Our 1st team defense looks much improved and the 1st team offense was very efficient minus the series at the goal line.

LBC_Justin
08-13-2005, 11:54 PM
boo boo boo I waited all summer for that,this team will be lucky to go 8-8 :goodnight
I don't think this guy understands the preseason. It is not about winning. It is about putting your guys in situations, and seeing how the react and ironing out the kinks, making sure everyone has their assignments down and assessing your talent.

Things that matter:
First team defense looked great.
First team offense move the ball easily on their first two drives.
No major injuries.

One first half goal line stand kept the Texans from winning this game. But either way win or lose the score isn't that important.

I liked what I saw. I am now even more hopeful for this season than I was before the game.

HJam72
08-13-2005, 11:58 PM
I know it's the first game of preseason, but either try something else on the goaline or just run one play and kick a field goal. Everyone in the stadium new DD would take a hand off and head for the right or left end of the O'line for the last 3 plays in a row. It does no good to test your players under the serious disadvantage of letting the other team know what you're going to call BEFORE YOU DO. I assume, and hope, that that will not continue into the regular season. That's my only real complaint about the whole game.

blockhead83
08-14-2005, 12:01 AM
Hindsight's 20/20. If we'd bootlegged it and Carr had thrown an interception/fumbled/been sacked, we'd have folks asking why we didn't just keep pounding since we were inside the 1 yard line. Give the Broncos props for shutting us down 4 times in a row, but our coaches went with the call that gave us the best chance of a TD.

Errant Hothy
08-14-2005, 12:02 AM
I know it's the first game of preseason, but either try something else on the goaline or just run one play and kick a field goal. Everyone in the stadium new DD would take a hand off and head for the right or left end of the O'line for the last 3 plays in a row. It does no good to test your players under the serious disadvantage of letting the other team know what you're going to call BEFORE YOU DO. I assume, and hope, that that will not continue into the regular season. That's my only real complaint about the whole game.

Why?? It's a simple play that nearly everbody in teh NFL runs, and knows that we run, why show the rest of teh teams something new you've been working on when the game means absolutly nothing. And also DD hsould be able to score on that play atleast one out of three attempts; just gives Capers something more to yell about on Monday and it's extra motivation for the coaches and players to work harder.

utahmark
08-14-2005, 12:04 AM
I know it's the first game of preseason, but either try something else on the goaline or just run one play and kick a field goal. Everyone in the stadium new DD would take a hand off and head for the right or left end of the O'line for the last 3 plays in a row. It does no good to test your players under the serious disadvantage of letting the other team know what you're going to call BEFORE YOU DO. I assume, and hope, that that will not continue into the regular season. That's my only real complaint about the whole game.

the whole point of preseason is to test your players and not show much of your gameday offense. looked to me like they were taking a look at r. smith in goaline situations. its the perfect time to run it up the gut 4 times in a row and see how your guys handle it.

Dime
08-14-2005, 12:06 AM
The players I was happy with thier play that were not on the first team.

Wells - Sorry, but he looked good.
Hollings - Did good tonight not including the 4x 1 yard line runs.
Ragone - He didnt get to do to much because of blocked passes and such. Placed a good TD pass though.
Shantee Orr - Looking damn good and had play maker ability during that game.


The players I wasnt really happy with the play

Tony Banks - One good TD pass, the rest was not where he should be.
BJ Symons - Did he even connect a pass? The balls were all over the place.
Morecy - Did decent, but not good. Needs to go down the field more instead of dancing so much.
2nd Team O-line - PROTECT THE QB!!!
2nd Team D - Was it just me or did they seem unorganized?

HJam72
08-14-2005, 12:08 AM
I'm not necessarilly calling for a bootleg. That play would have been fine for a couple of tries, but 4 times in a row? Bootleg, option, pass, something. Just trying a sweep with DD would have made me happy. I would have tried it twice myself, or right up the middle, but it's just too predictable to use it that much.

If fact, even a QB sneak up the middle would have been something different, but no use risking Carr's health.

dtran04
08-14-2005, 12:12 AM
Hindsight is always 20/20. What if they ran a sweep and got stuffed for a 5 yd loss? Or ran a bootleg and John Lynch takes Carr's head off? Who knows? Its just preseason...

HJam72
08-14-2005, 12:13 AM
I thought Morrencey did really well, actually, but he did dance a little too much. The one fumble was kind of pathetic too, the way it happened. Maybe it won't be a habit.

HJam72
08-14-2005, 12:16 AM
Hindsight is always 20/20. What if they ran a sweep and got stuffed for a 5 yd loss? Or ran a bootleg and John Lynch takes Carr's head off? Who knows? Its just preseason...

If they ran a sweep and lost 5 yds., I'd still be glad they tried it. I mean, a defense is not supposed to be 100% sure of what play you're going to run. But you're right about protecting Carr.

blockhead83
08-14-2005, 12:17 AM
Carr looked pretty good tonight, and so did the 1st team o-line. We seemed to be getting the ball off quickly which is going to be good for Carr's health in the long run. DD, Wells, and Hollings were all pretty impressive.

Our first team Defense did a solid job. We were getting pressure on the QB, but they were doing a nice job getting rid of the ball. Our DLine looked great. CC Brown was impressive for a 6th round pick, he was in on alot of plays. T. Johnson got great penetration and showed his mean style of play. I really like him. Peek should've given the naysayers something to think about tonight. He kept containment against the run, made tackles, was good in coverage, and appeared to be making the smart plays.

Morency had some good and bad moments. He was running behind our 3rd and 4th stringers for blockers, so I'm cutting him some slack. One thing I noticed is his amazing quickness and shifty running. I think he may have the edge on DD in terms of pure quickness. On the other hand, he doesn't find the holes quickly enough or sometimes misses them completely. He also tries too hard to make cutbacks. If he can learn to pick the hole and move upfield I think he makes a good case for being our #2 at some point this season.

texan279
08-14-2005, 12:17 AM
boo boo boo I waited all summer for that,this team will be lucky to go 8-8

90% of the game was played by 2nd and 3rd stringers, this isn't the end of the world. Our first team offense and defense looked good to me, except for the 4 failed attempts at the goal line. From what I saw Travis Johnson looked good and Morency looks fast he just needs to stop stopping and trying to go east to west so much. Some people have said Morency and Davis are similar in size and style but I didn't see much similarity tonight, maybe it's just me though. Morency seems quicker to me, but like I said maybe it's just me.

blockhead83
08-14-2005, 12:21 AM
I think Caper's mentality is that he wants a tough, hard nose football team. He wants the option of running it up the gut four times within the 1 yard line, knowing that they are expecting it, and being able to simply push the other team off the line and make it happen anyways because we can. We weren't able to dominate the Broncos physically in that situation tonight, but if I was calling the shots I probably would've gone with the same approach.

Marcus
08-14-2005, 12:23 AM
I'm glad they handed it off to DD for times in a row. Why? Because it is preseason. I could give a rip about preseason. I wanted to see if DD could ram it down their throat despite the fact that Denver knew what was coming.

Sure, they didn't do it. And I'm sure that Capers is not going to let them hear the end of it this week. I'll bet they'll be lined up on the goal line in practice this week until they're sick of it.

Texas_Heat
08-14-2005, 12:25 AM
The 1st teams looked good, but there is no reason for this teams backups to look so bad.
As long as they have no major injuries they may go 9-7 but more likely 8-8.

Itís time for Dom Capers to show he can take this team to the next level ,and it he canít itís time for him to go.

Marcus
08-14-2005, 12:28 AM
I thought Morrencey did really well, actually, but he did dance a little too much. The one fumble was kind of pathetic too, the way it happened. Maybe it won't be a habit.

Yeah well, it became a habit with DD in his rookie year. What makes Morency so special? He'll eventually be a good one . . . but right now, he's too much of an impatient east/west runner that's a fumble waiting to happen.

utahmark
08-14-2005, 12:31 AM
everyone stop questioning the play calling in the first preseason game of the year. unless your on the coaching staff you cant know why they were running a particular play in a particular situation. its a preseason game they are trying to put players in situations and see how they perform. while at the same time trying not to show buffalo any more of our playbook than necessary. now buffalo doesnt know what the **** we will do in a first and goal from the one because we havent shown them anything.

good job palmer!!!!

PapaL
08-14-2005, 01:16 AM
People need to stop fixating pn the goal line stand and the final score. Its preseason, starters barely played, got some good reps in, and best of all - no one lost. Thats right the score may not have had the Texans, but no one got seriously hurt (as of yet - still watching the game). So they went for a goal line dive 4 times, big deal. The play works, everyone runs it. If properly executed, it will result in a score. Thats probably why it was run 4 times, it wasnt executed. Look for improvement next weekend.....

F-minus67
08-14-2005, 01:19 AM
If you could chose one player to be the MVP on the texans side of the game, who would it be?

beerlover
08-14-2005, 01:31 AM
If you could chose one player to be the MVP on the texans side of the game, who would it be?

its between Matt Murphy :fight: & Shantee Orr

and the winner is Matt Murphy Houston we have a TE :texans:

F-minus67
08-14-2005, 01:36 AM
you can tell by this game?

ledzeppelin229
08-14-2005, 01:46 AM
I'll just post this here since this is where the most traffic is right now - Good old Lefty was 3/7 and sacked 4 times in 11 pass attempts. It will be interesting to see how long their 'vertical offense' lasts in real games.

texanfan
08-14-2005, 11:31 AM
Murph did a good job out there. He had some really nice blocks and a awesome touch down pass. Good fumble recovery too.

rmartin65
08-14-2005, 12:26 PM
how where the rookies?

ATX
08-14-2005, 12:59 PM
how where the rookies?

TJ- seemed to be around the ball alot. didn't make any big plays, but it was hard at times watching the game because channel 13 didn't have the clearest picture, kinda hard to read alot of the numbers at times.

Morency-had some good runs, but also had a few runs we're he tried to run around the defense and got stuffed. also fumbled the ball once, luckily we recovered. i still think wells and hollings played better games.

Mathis-played, but i didn't see him catch anything. really hard to tell how he played considering this. i really wanted to see him return a kick, but that never happened either.

Hogdon-played like a rookie. had two false start calls on him, which is bad for a center.

Pettway-played a little later in the game. didn't really see too much of him myself, but i really wasn't looking.

Pitts and Dunbar-two rookie undrafted free agents here. saw a couple nice catches from both late in the game on a ragone drive. the dunbar catch in the endzone was pretty good. he bobbled it, then came down with his feet in bounds.

mckenzie-rookie undrafted free agent CB. hard to tell. i think he got burned bad on the 92 yard pass play. but i may be wrong.

Vinny
08-14-2005, 01:03 PM
I don't know why you want to call tricky plays in the preseason. This is where you line up and grade your players. The time to get deceptive is during real games. RoSmith was blowing people away at FB but we don't know if he was blowing up the right guy.

Morency looks shot out of a cannon when he gets the ball. He is going to be very explosive when he gets the feel for this scheme and learns to make one cut and go north and south.

Most of the QB pressure was coming from the inside again. I saw the reserve Guards getting lit up all night.

The overall team speed looks improved and our first team O-line was moving players off the LOS. I'm very upbeat about yesterday....got me very excited about our potential.

PapaL
08-14-2005, 01:15 PM
FYI - For eveyone that did not get to see the game, NFL Network is airing the whole game on Monday @ 1pm EST.

ATX
08-14-2005, 01:18 PM
FYI - For eveyone that did not get to see the game, NFL Network is airing the whole game on Monday @ 1pm EST.


maybe the quality will be better coming from the nfl network than abc 13. i don't know if it was just me, but the view wasn't very sharp. i couldn't even make out most of the numbers watching the game unless it was a close up shot.

BradK10
08-14-2005, 01:25 PM
it's gonna be the ABC feed

ATX
08-14-2005, 01:27 PM
it's gonna be the ABC feed

you'll see what i mean when you see the game.

rmartin65
08-14-2005, 03:11 PM
how was mathis looking, with his injury?

3960AD
08-14-2005, 09:50 PM
TJ- seemed to be around the ball alot. didn't make any big plays, but it was hard at times watching the game because channel 13 didn't have the clearest picture, kinda hard to read alot of the numbers at times.

Morency-had some good runs, but also had a few runs we're he tried to run around the defense and got stuffed. also fumbled the ball once, luckily we recovered. i still think wells and hollings played better games.

Mathis-played, but i didn't see him catch anything. really hard to tell how he played considering this. i really wanted to see him return a kick, but that never happened either.

Hogdon-played like a rookie. had two false start calls on him, which is bad for a center.

Pettway-played a little later in the game. didn't really see too much of him myself, but i really wasn't looking.

Pitts and Dunbar-two rookie undrafted free agents here. saw a couple nice catches from both late in the game on a ragone drive. the dunbar catch in the endzone was pretty good. he bobbled it, then came down with his feet in bounds.

mckenzie-rookie undrafted free agent CB. hard to tell. i think he got burned bad on the 92 yard pass play. but i may be wrong.

It was Cedrick Williams that was burnt. Jamaal Lord tried to catch up to the receiver but wasn't happening. McKenzie was flying from across the field and hamstring pulled.....

RTP2110
08-14-2005, 10:15 PM
It was Cedrick Williams that was burnt. Jamaal Lord tried to catch up to the receiver but wasn't happening. McKenzie was flying from across the field and hamstring pulled.....

Lord took a horrible pursuit angle on that play.

RTP2110
08-14-2005, 10:32 PM
maybe the quality will be better coming from the nfl network than abc 13. i don't know if it was just me, but the view wasn't very sharp. i couldn't even make out most of the numbers watching the game unless it was a close up shot.

I noticed it too. I couldn't make out the jersey numbers to see who was in the game.

michaelm
08-15-2005, 01:27 PM
unless your on the coaching staff you cant know why they were running a particular play in a particular situation.
good job palmer!!!!


Unless you heard interviews by both Carr and Casserly stating that they only had two goal line plays in the playbook for this first preseason game. . They were obviously not expecting four shots from the one yd line and decided to test what they had with an obviously new personell grouping.
Needs a little more work...
As they practice more goal line plays, more will be installed in the playbook and be available on game day.