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TexansFanatic
08-12-2005, 05:56 PM
Seems like every season we lose players early to injury. Is a Dom Capers training camp harder on a player than another NFL training camp? Are we losing players to injury because the training sessions are too extreme, too rigorous?

clandestin
08-12-2005, 06:02 PM
nope, every team in the nfl is going through the same thing. With 90 guys out on the field playing a physical game there are going to be some twisted ankles, pulled hamstrings, etc, etc.

I wouldn't be concerned about any of the reported injuries so far. Most of those injuries wouldn't even be reported if this was the regular season, as guys would play through them. In training camp they take an especially conservative approach.

TommyS
08-12-2005, 06:07 PM
Seems like every season we lose players early to injury.

like who? (bennie doesnt count) niggling little hamstring strains happen all the time.

Ibar_Harry
08-12-2005, 06:13 PM
I have posted similar things in the past and you certainly have to wonder. I've often wondered whether it's a function of the weight room and what we are doing there. I think that's more likely a problem than what Capers is doing on the field. Are we trying to get too strong? Do we stretch enough? They are putting a very heavy emphasis on the lower body and legs and we are certainly getting a lot of what are stress and pull related injuries. Its one of those things where small pulls and tears go unnoticed or are ignored and then a turn or twist results in unexpected disaster. For example, when you look at BJ who seems to be somewhat fragile anyway, you have to wonder if they tried to over due the strengthing after rehab. A lot of the guys that were injured in year 2 are just now getting back to their old selves, but even they are showing signs of injury problems again. Another example of this was Glenn. I haven't heard of him having injury problems with Dallas after two years of groin problems with us.

clandestin
08-12-2005, 06:17 PM
From the Dallas practice report:

Injury Update:
Missed Practice:
DT J ason Ferguson, ankle (8/9) - day-to-day.
FB Darian Barnes, sprained ankle (8/3) - day-to-day.
DE Marcus Spears, mid-grade MCL sprain, high-ankle sprain, strained calf muscle (8/5) - out nearly four weeks.
TE Sean Ryan, fractured fifth metatarsal in left foot; underwent successful surgery in Dallas on Sunday (7/31) - out four-to-five weeks.
FB Erik Bickerstaff, strained neck (8/6) - has only practiced on a limited basis, and will not play in Saturday's preseason game.
Returned to Practice:
S Justin Beriault, knee.
RT Jacob Rogers, shoulder.

Runner
08-12-2005, 07:11 PM
I've heard that the Texans do more practices in full pads with heavy contact throughout the season than some other teams. Denver for instance does a lot more work in shells where the Texans choose to be in full gear.

This might have something to do with the team wearing down as the season progresses.

Rest and lower levels of contact isn't useful because the players are weak as some seem to think; it's because they aren't machines.

ArlingtonTexan
08-12-2005, 07:18 PM
The Texans, 2003, I believe have only had one year where their injuries were anything significantly past the normal amount for an NFL team.

Many of the strains, tweaks, twists that are "news" now because a guy is not practicing. Once the season starts half of these are even noted.

ArlingtonTexan
08-12-2005, 07:23 PM
I have posted similar things in the past and you certainly have to wonder. I've often wondered whether it's a function of the weight room and what we are doing there. I think that's more likely a problem than what Capers is doing on the field. Are we trying to get too strong? Do we stretch enough? They are putting a very heavy emphasis on the lower body and legs and we are certainly getting a lot of what are stress and pull related injuries. Its one of those things where small pulls and tears go unnoticed or are ignored and then a turn or twist results in unexpected disaster. For example, when you look at BJ who seems to be somewhat fragile anyway, you have to wonder if they tried to over due the strengthing after rehab. A lot of the guys that were injured in year 2 are just now getting back to their old selves, but even they are showing signs of injury problems again. Another example of this was Glenn. I haven't heard of him having injury problems with Dallas after two years of groin problems with us.

Parcells is one of the worst in theleague about making his players play hurt/injuried. The Julius Jones shoulder injury last year may not have happenn with another coach because Jones had already injuried his ribs and was having trouble breathing. Another player, Peterman, had and leg injury was sent back out and wound up being out for the year.

JustBonee
08-12-2005, 07:23 PM
Their weight training and workout schedule is extreme to the normal non-athlete person, but very necessary. A year round routine of keeping their bodies in shape is key for the job and to help keep the injuries in check. Since on average, their careers are short anyway, they shouldn't take a vacation from this routine for very long. I don't think too many of them do.

Runner
08-12-2005, 08:01 PM
Their weight training and workout schedule is extreme to the normal non-athlete person, but very necessary. A year round routine of keeping their bodies in shape is key for the job and to help keep the injuries in check. Since on average, their careers are short anyway, they shouldn't take a vacation from this routine for very long. I don't think too many of them do.

If this is a reply to my post, let me clarify. I meant rest by having lighter days mixed in with the heavy hitting ones. I didn't mean months off at a time.

There is a wide variance in the amount of practice hitting the teams do across the league; it depends on the coach. It'd be interesting to see some numbers trying to correlate the number of high intensity work-outs with team success.

tsip
08-12-2005, 09:49 PM
I agree, let's put dresses on them, and pillows tied to their
butts.

...Comedy Central, right?

Ibar_Harry
08-12-2005, 09:52 PM
From the Dallas practice report:

Injury Update:
Missed Practice:
DT J ason Ferguson, ankle (8/9) - day-to-day.
FB Darian Barnes, sprained ankle (8/3) - day-to-day.
DE Marcus Spears, mid-grade MCL sprain, high-ankle sprain, strained calf muscle (8/5) - out nearly four weeks.
TE Sean Ryan, fractured fifth metatarsal in left foot; underwent successful surgery in Dallas on Sunday (7/31) - out four-to-five weeks.
FB Erik Bickerstaff, strained neck (8/6) - has only practiced on a limited basis, and will not play in Saturday's preseason game.
Returned to Practice:
S Justin Beriault, knee.
RT Jacob Rogers, shoulder.

You don't see groin problems in this report. Ankles we all understand, but you don't see a lot of ham string and groin problems. We have had a lot of them over the last three years. Year 2 and 3 in particular were big problems. May be BJ's problems are not so accidental in one respect.

ledzeppelin229
08-12-2005, 10:31 PM
Groin injuries can happen in any sport. I played tennis all through high school and that's about as non-contact as you can get, but I still got minor groin things every now and then, usually the night after a lot of drills/after a playing in a tournament. Football puts a lot of stress on your lower body so it shouldn't surprise anyone.

dtran04
08-12-2005, 10:56 PM
I don't see how there's a difference between ankles and groins. If anything, ankles are taped up pretty well. Either way, an injury is an injury. It happens. No need to nitpick. Glad the offseason is coming to an end.

F-minus67
08-12-2005, 10:58 PM
So who got hurt? Raising the urinals seems like it will help some of the taller players on the team.

ledzeppelin229
08-12-2005, 11:21 PM
Offtopic, but on the topic of raising urinals - I never realized how low urinals were in an elementary school until I went back to one sometime in HS. They need atleast one for people over 4'6".

DoCt3rJ
08-12-2005, 11:34 PM
Hamstring and Groin injuries, you see those all throughout the NFL. Specially with the speedier guys, they just aint getting enough fluid running through their legs, and stretching, eating and training right.

ledzeppelin229
08-13-2005, 02:13 AM
I wonder how much of a correlation the hotter climate has to do with it. Hotter/more humid, get dehydrated faster and little things like this start appearing.

Diehardtexan
08-13-2005, 09:20 AM
Look around the NFL camps and you will find that we have the least amount of injuries. It has nothing to do with the coaching staff. I wish you people quit trying to think that you know more than the trainers and the doctors who are there watching every thing the players do through camps.

SA Fan
08-13-2005, 10:05 AM
I wouldn't be concerned about any of the reported injuries so far. Most of those injuries wouldn't even be reported if this was the regular season, as guys would play through them. In training camp they take an especially conservative approach.


The answer to the question is nicely summed up right here.

Of the plethora of injuries, how many are for more than a week?
Zeke Moreno. Who else?

If this was the regular season, all of the other guys would be listed as probable.
But what is the sense of risking injury in the PRESEASON?
So they hold these guys out.