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gtexan02
08-04-2005, 07:42 PM
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/8702112

Im really glad we face buffalo in the opening game. I think Loseman will be a great QB. Luckily, I think he'll be nervous as hell and make some rookieish mistakes the first couple weeks. Plus, given our DBs, a few INTs will totally unnerve him. Just my opinion.

jmantexfan
08-04-2005, 08:26 PM
I would be willing to bet the bills have considered that. To prevent a plethora of those rooky boo-boos from happening, the will really heavily on the run for the first few games like he steelers last year until his comfort level grows to where he can handle the full responability of running his offense. Our first game will be a tough one. We will win, but dont expect the Bills coaches to allow young jp too many opportunities to screw up, and i would not expect a blow-out against their D.

Vinny
08-04-2005, 08:29 PM
He has been thru 2 NFL training camps so he isn't exactly a rookie. He is more like Carson Palmer starting in his second year than a guy fresh out of College.

texansfan88
08-04-2005, 08:38 PM
I'm up here in Green Bay and saw JP and Holcomb tear the packer secondary apart... beware

Vinny
08-04-2005, 08:41 PM
I read Losman had a 80 yard TD run in a scrimmage.

BornOrange
08-04-2005, 08:44 PM
The Texans defense in general and secondary in particular will pose more of a challenge than Green Bay.

The Packer secondary will be torn apart by most quarterbacks they face this year.

Vinny
08-04-2005, 08:46 PM
I'm sure they will test Peek on the edge with play action and misdirection.

tsip
08-04-2005, 08:57 PM
"As long as we, as coaches, are smart about how we scheme it with him, he doesn't have to be the guy to win it"...quote from Head Coach. Sam Wyche
(former NFL QB/Bengals Head Coach) is no slouch and has been around
the league a long time and is the Bill's QB Coach. IMO, this game will come
down to coaching, whoever puts their players in the best posistion to win.

Vinny
08-04-2005, 09:03 PM
Great talent is more important than great coaching. You can ask the Bronco fans that. Shanahan was brilliant with Elway - he's not so smart now. Coaching is part of the equation though...but I see you say this all the time. I think the better teams are the more talented teams for the most part.

tsip
08-04-2005, 09:10 PM
Great talent is more important than great coaching. You can ask the Bronco fans that. Shanahan was brilliant with Elway - he's not so smart now. Coaching is part of the equation though...but I see you say this all the time. I think the better teams are the more talented teams for the most part.

Eagles or Patriots--which team has more player talent?

thegr8fan
08-04-2005, 09:12 PM
I think the better teams are the more talented teams for the most part. that theory will be tested by the Patriots this year. Having lost both their Offensive AND Defensive Co-ordinators this offseason to other teams, Belichick is even going to have to call his own plays.

It is going to be interesting whether it was the coaching or the players that have won.

utahmark
08-04-2005, 09:16 PM
i think football is more about the coaches than any other sport. you still have to have the talent though.

Vinny
08-04-2005, 09:16 PM
Eagles or Patriots--which team has more player talent?Those are both two of the most talented teams in the NFL. Last time I checked at least. I'd rather have the Patriots cast of players if that is what you are asking. They have a better QB, back, and cast of WR's as a whole. They also have a better front 7.

Vinny
08-04-2005, 09:17 PM
that theory will be tested by the Patriots this year. Having lost both their starting Offensive AND Defensive Co-ordinators this offseason to other teams, Belichick is even going to have to call his own plays.

It is going to be interesting whether it was the coaching or the players that have won.Belichick also lost both his inside linebackers without having the time to replace them. They have a lot to overcome this year.

jmantexfan
08-04-2005, 10:25 PM
This theory of coaching or talent cant really be figured by the Pats' scenario because they also have lost some of their talented players. if they do not succeed this year in their goals, a case can be made that it is due to the loss of coaching staff or the loss of players. however, if they win it all anyways, you could say that neither coaching or talent wins championships, but rather that every team has its time and the time of the patiots( same as the cowboys of the 90's and the niners of the 80's) lasted alittle longer than many other teams.

really not much can be clearly stated of why or how, whatever happens to the Pats this season happens because they have gone through so many changes this year. you never know, although it is very unlikely, but the Pats could be last years 49ers.

Vinny
08-04-2005, 10:28 PM
If it was just great coaching why can't Shanahan win without Elway? He was considered the brightest mind then, but since the talent's gone, so is his Einstein label. Winning teams need a strong foundation of talent from top to bottom. That's why thin teams don't win much. If you have a strong foundation then you can seed that with a few skill guys who can dominate and you have a winning formula. The Pats have not been the same since Brady replaced Bledsoe....they have dominated in the Brady era.

gtexan02
08-04-2005, 10:29 PM
In response to the Carson palmer comparison, he still acted very much the rookie during his first couple of nfl weeks.

QB Rating 1st half: 66.8
QB Rating 2nd half: 96.66

Record 1st half: 2-5
Record 2nd half: 4-2

TDs/Int 1st half: 5/10
TDs/Int 2nd half: 13/8

If Losman has a start like that, expect good things from the Texans 1st game.

(PS: Palmers first start was a pretty solid one, 105 rate, 2/1 td/int, still a loss though)

Seņor Stan
08-04-2005, 10:29 PM
Great talent is more important than great coaching. You can ask the Bronco fans that. Shanahan was brilliant with Elway - he's not so smart now. Coaching is part of the equation though...but I see you say this all the time. I think the better teams are the more talented teams for the most part.

See Holmgren, Mike.

texasguy346
08-04-2005, 11:45 PM
If it was just great coaching why can't Shanahan win without Elway? He was considered the brightest mind then, but since the talent's gone, so is his Einstein label. Winning teams need a strong foundation of talent from top to bottom. That's why thin teams don't win much. If you have a strong foundation then you can seed that with a few skill guys who can dominate and you have a winning formula. The Pats have not been the same since Brady replaced Bledsoe....they have dominated in the Brady era.

I agree with you on this one. The list of genius coaches that lose their thinking cap after losing a talented player is a long one.

TexasAggie
08-05-2005, 01:29 AM
JIMMY JOHNSON IN DALLAS VS MIAMI ????? :homer:

rittenhouserobz
08-05-2005, 07:00 AM
I think the steelers QB last year had a shaky first start. Losman will no doubt have jitters. It will be his home crows. I am just glad we are not playing the Bills in late Dec up there.

tsip
08-05-2005, 07:06 AM
If it was just great coaching why can't Shanahan win without Elway? He was considered the brightest mind then, but since the talent's gone, so is his Einstein label. Winning teams need a strong foundation of talent from top to bottom. That's why thin teams don't win much. If you have a strong foundation then you can seed that with a few skill guys who can dominate and you have a winning formula. The Pats have not been the same since Brady replaced Bledsoe....they have dominated in the Brady era.

I'm not a Shanahan fan but were'nt the Broncos 10-6 last year? Playoffs?

Diehardtexan
08-05-2005, 07:32 AM
JIMMY JOHNSON IN DALLAS VS MIAMI ????? :homer:
Jon Gruden in Tampa...Chucky isn't that smart any more...

tsip
08-05-2005, 07:38 AM
Jon Gruden in Tampa...Chucky isn't that smart any more...

...same goes for great players--remember Aikman and Smith's last years
together?

TheOgre
08-05-2005, 08:46 AM
I'm up here in Green Bay and saw JP and Holcomb tear the packer secondary apart... beware

I think Ryan Leaf could tear apart the Packers secondary.

TheOgre
08-05-2005, 08:49 AM
JIMMY JOHNSON IN DALLAS VS MIAMI ????? :homer:

Part of his problem was that he had never dealt with the salary cap. I think that played into his failure in Miami. It is a different NFL world from 1993.

Vambo, the Marble Eye
08-05-2005, 10:11 AM
Football is no different than any other venture where human talent is joined together to achieve an objective or task.

You guys, it is just too simplist to apply a "one or the other" formula... so the debate of great coach, great players, owner involvement in game related decisions, luck, etc... continues because THAT IS WHY THEY PLAY THE GAME AND KEEP SCORE. (I like football more than most other sports because it is rare to see a game end up as a draw... I hate that!)

Nobody debates that without above average talent you can not win in the NFL... and obviously some talent combined with a poor game strategy doom a team to playing like the Saints have for 30+ years.

Damn, the season needs to start... NOW! It is official- I LIVE for SUNDAY... or whatever day they are playing.

TEXANS84
08-05-2005, 10:21 AM
I'm up here in Green Bay and saw JP and Holcomb tear the packer secondary apart... beware

Per Casserly on 610am this morning that two Texans scouts were in attendance for that scrimmage.
Due to the fact that they were charging for that event, NFL rules allows other teams scouts to attend.

JDizzle
08-05-2005, 10:26 AM
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/8702112

Im really glad we face buffalo in the opening game. I think Loseman will be a great QB. Luckily, I think he'll be nervous as hell and make some rookieish mistakes the first couple weeks. Plus, given our DBs, a few INTs will totally unnerve him. Just my opinion.

I'm sure Steelers opponents were licking their chops when Big Ben took over. "Oh, a rookie QB! *drool*" ..... look what happened. Don't expect the Bills to be so silly and put the entire game on Losman's shoulders right out of the gate, after all, they do have one of the best D's in the league and a running back capable of ripping our D apart. I think it will be a great test for our trench crew.

tsip
08-05-2005, 12:42 PM
I think Ryan Leaf could tear apart the Packers secondary.

...be careful, not every team tore apart the Packs secondary last year!!

DFAN
08-05-2005, 01:35 PM
For the most part I think it takes talent and good coaching to win. However, I never seen a great coach win with a team with hardly any talent but I have seen a numb nut coach win with a great team. See the 94 and 95 Cowboys.

TheOgre
08-05-2005, 02:01 PM
...be careful, not every team tore apart the Packs secondary last year!!

True and we should be ashamed of ourselves for NOT doing that.

Porky
08-05-2005, 02:31 PM
I think this whole discussion is pretty interesting, and everyone has some valid points. I always have felt there are three primary factors that will determine a teams record and success, with a few lesser components. It's like a pie sliced into four equal parts. One slice is personell decisions, including the draft, FA, who to resign or release, etc., this gives you the talent. Another slice is coaching, and coaching decisions such as big tent issues like what type of defense to run down to the in game descions, and being able to get the best from each athlete. The third slice is injuries and general luck. Injuries are a part of the game, but can really devastate a team if it hits the wrong person or position. Luck is that bounce of the ball thing. Or maybe a bad call goes against your team. Some days lady luck might be shining on you, and some days not! The last piece are the complimentary components all put together - this would include the ownership, the fan base, the history of the team, and a whole host of other minor things.

I think in NE's case, coaching played a huge part. I think they maximed every piece, and every person to their fullest, and put them into the best position to win. The other three components also played a heavy role, with excellent drafts and personell decisions, a great ownership group, and lady luck smiling on them as well.

Blake
08-05-2005, 03:32 PM
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/8702112

Im really glad we face buffalo in the opening game. I think Loseman will be a great QB. Luckily, I think he'll be nervous as hell and make some rookieish mistakes the first couple weeks. Plus, given our DBs, a few INTs will totally unnerve him. Just my opinion.

Carr took down the Cowboys his 1st time on the field ever. Im sure JP (2nd year rookie) has just as much a chance as Carr did.

John from Hemet
08-05-2005, 03:47 PM
First...let me say that I think the Texans have a great team....I have always been impressed by Carr, Davis, and your WR's

I think that the game plan we will bring will be pretty much the same as it was with Drew Bledsoe.......

A lot of people dont seem to realize it....but Drew Bledsoe was just an absolute shell of his former self......the offense had to be simplified and not much could be asked of the QB position or something bad would happen.....so we relied on field position, our number 2 defense, and Willis Magehee

We will probably start out the gates much the same way.....with the difference being production in the red zone because Losman...even though he is a rookie.....has very good running ability and can throw on the run. We had the 3rd most red zone attempts last year and were close to last in the league in converting to touch downs.......

Just to give a little info on the other side of the fence.....

tsip
08-05-2005, 03:57 PM
I think this whole discussion is pretty interesting, and everyone has some valid points. I always have felt there are three primary factors that will determine a teams record and success, with a few lesser components. It's like a pie sliced into four equal parts. One slice is personell decisions, including the draft, FA, who to resign or release, etc., this gives you the talent. Another slice is coaching, and coaching decisions such as big tent issues like what type of defense to run down to the in game descions, and being able to get the best from each athlete. The third slice is injuries and general luck. Injuries are a part of the game, but can really devastate a team if it hits the wrong person or position. Luck is that bounce of the ball thing. Or maybe a bad call goes against your team. Some days lady luck might be shining on you, and some days not! The last piece are the complimentary components all put together - this would include the ownership, the fan base, the history of the team, and a whole host of other minor things.

I think in NE's case, coaching played a huge part. I think they maximed every piece, and every person to their fullest, and put them into the best position to win. The other three components also played a heavy role, with excellent drafts and personell decisions, a great ownership group, and lady luck smiling on them as well.

....very well said, especially (1)"able to get the best from each athlete," and
(2)"put them into the best position to win." :highfive:

Blake
08-05-2005, 03:58 PM
Good insight John. I think the Texans game plan will be to smother the run, and force JP to beat us with his arm. So I see more than a couple of one on one matches with our CB's and your WR's. Sould be alot of fun to watch.

I see the Texans doing roughly the same things on offense as last year. Run alot, which im sure will be tough against the bills D. Dom is going to want to keep this close, so we are in the game come 4th quarter. After that, its anyones guess, as one play could be the deciding factor in this game. Its kind of a shame that the Bills, or Texans have to start out 0-1.

Jwwillis
08-05-2005, 04:22 PM
Remember Bums quote about good coaches (when he said it to the press he was refering to Don Shula)

"He can take hisuns and beat youruns and take youruns and beat hisuns."

texansfan88
08-06-2005, 12:15 AM
Just got home from the Bills/Packers 70,000 person sold out scrimmage.

NOTE TO SELF: Find a way to stop JP Losman, contain Willis McGahee, shut down Lee Evans and Eric Moulds, and beat the secondary on deep routes.

After watching the Bills the past two days, I can tell you that they are a team that is VERY DANGEROUS and has the ability to not only kill us, but kill everyone in this league

stephen1
08-06-2005, 12:23 AM
Just got home from the Bills/Packers 70,000 person sold out scrimmage.

NOTE TO SELF: Find a way to stop JP Losman, contain Willis McGahee, shut down Lee Evans and Eric Moulds, and beat the secondary on deep routes.

After watching the Bills the past two days, I can tell you that they are a team that is VERY DANGEROUS and has the ability to not only kill us, but kill everyone in this league
mcgahee will be the hardest to stop. im not worried about losman or the receivers. the biggest influence to the outcome is our offense, not theirs.

Vinny
08-06-2005, 12:27 AM
Just got home from the Bills/Packers 70,000 person sold out scrimmage.

NOTE TO SELF: Find a way to stop JP Losman, contain Willis McGahee, shut down Lee Evans and Eric Moulds, and beat the secondary on deep routes.

After watching the Bills the past two days, I can tell you that they are a team that is VERY DANGEROUS and has the ability to not only kill us, but kill everyone in this leagueI think you are very right 88. This is going to be a tough opener for us. Very tough.

stephen1
08-06-2005, 12:29 AM
preparation and execution of the offensive game plan will be the key.

edo783
08-06-2005, 12:47 AM
We had better work on our blitz pick up, because it seemed they blitzed on nearly every down. It was kind of hard to tell whether the Bills were that good or that GB is really not very good these days. JP was just "Fair" IMO, Willis looked good. GB's Oline looked like ours in the 1st year, maybe even worse. The Bills looked like they MIGHT be vulnerable to a corner blitz from Dunta's side. This early in the seson it's too hard to tell though.

buddyroe
08-07-2005, 01:29 PM
While Buffalo is getting a lot of recognition for what
they did well,and that may be justifyed,no one seems
to remember all the problems on offense.With a rookie
QB those problems won't be resolved immediatly.The
3-4 defense is difficult for QB's to read and with our
improved speed at linebacker running will be uphill
for McGahee when he becomes their only weapon.
Our offense poses many problems for even the best
defenses and should rank in the top 10 in the league.
This game may be close halfway into the 2cd quarter
but then Houston will pull away on their way to making
a statement.The Steelers will be the real test the following
week.

texasguy346
08-07-2005, 03:37 PM
The 3-4 defense is difficult for QB's to read and with our
improved speed at linebacker running will be uphill
for McGahee when he becomes their only weapon.


Keep in mind that as a member of the AFC East Buffalo faces the New England Patriots' D twice every year. Add to that the fact that their HC, Mularkey, was the OC for the Steelers a couple of years ago, and I'd imagine Buffalo has an abundance of experience in facing a 3-4 defense. I'm sure they've prepared Losman accordingly.

buddyroe
08-07-2005, 05:57 PM
That's a good point but Buffalo failed to win either game
and with JP being a rookie i wouldn't expect them to do much
better this year.While their offense improved as the year
went on last year,in the off season they failed to get
another reciever to help Moulds and let Travis Henry and
Bledsoe leave.Expect the Bills "O" to shine at times but to
mostly struggle while Losman learns the ropes early on.
If McGahee reinjures a surgically repaired knee the loss of
Henry will be huge as they don't have much experience
at tailback.

texasguy346
08-07-2005, 07:42 PM
The Bills didn't have much choice when it came to Henry. They could've kept him as a disgruntled 2nd string RB until his contract ran out, or they could trade him to a team in need of a RB get something for him and be rid of any type of lockerroom disturbance he might have been this season. I think Donahoe made the right move here by trading him while he could. He gets a first day draft pick out of the deal. While Losman is essientially a rookie his situation is very similar to Carson Palmer. Palmer performed pretty well as a first year starter, and it can be argued that JP might have better weapons around him on offense and of course he's got the benefit of a very good defense. Something Palmer didn't have. As far as the Bills addressing a need at the other WR position I think they did so in last years draft by picking up Lee Evans. He played very well last year as a rookie, and I'd expect him to only get better with time. They picked up Parrish in this past draft. He's got plenty of speed, and might be a viable option in the slot over the mediocre Reed. Much has been made about Buffalo's LT situation, and rightly so. If Gandy can protect Losman then it will lessen his growing pains this season. If he can't provide adequate protection it will be a tough year for JP. I think Peek should be able to bring enough pressure to JP to make him make a few mistakes, but Gandy might surprise. All in all Mularkey doesn't want the game to be riding on the performance of his young QB this early on in the season. He'll want to rely heavily on Willis, and its up to the Texans defense to stop him and force JP to beat them. If that happens I like our odds very much.