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Texas Torture
07-31-2005, 04:55 PM
"No. 10 -- Daunte Culpepper: It hurts to put the UCF legend on this list, especially when he's playing for the most inept head coach in the league. But if you can't get to the Super Bowl out of the NFC, something's wrong."

the joke goes that a big gurilla plays a gm of golf and drives 400 yds, landing right on the green. but when he goes up to putt the ball inches from the cup, he sends it another 400 yds. images of daunte come to mind.

it will be very interesting to see what culpepper does now that he's minus both chris carter, and now moss. moss is a spoiled brat, no doubt about that, but he can pull the ball down- over and over. carter was crafty and had a knack for the short endzone. and still, culpepper never got them to the big dance- in a conference that sent juggernauts like the falcons, giants, panthers, etc.. the nfc has been limping for yrs, and now the window of opportunity for the vikings has slammed shut. dido for the eagles.

greene is just another writer, who spends too much time readin his own stuff. but i think he might of accidently got hold of something when he said some qbs r overrated. :confused:

gcolby
07-31-2005, 05:33 PM
culpepper overrated?


Yes. Yes. Yes.

Fiddy
07-31-2005, 07:07 PM
Remember to put a link next time:
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/orl-sptgreene25072505jul25,0,5095695.column?coll=orl-sports-headlines

TopTexanFan16
07-31-2005, 09:19 PM
"No. 10 -- Daunte Culpepper: It hurts to put the UCF legend on this list, especially when he's playing for the most inept head coach in the league. But if you can't get to the Super Bowl out of the NFC, something's wrong."

the joke goes that a big gurilla plays a gm of golf and drives 400 yds, landing right on the green. but when he goes up to putt the ball inches from the cup, he sends it another 400 yds. images of daunte come to mind.

it will be very interesting to see what culpepper does now that he's minus both chris carter, and now moss. moss is a spoiled brat, no doubt about that, but he can pull the ball down- over and over. carter was crafty and had a knack for the short endzone. and still, culpepper never got them to the big dance- in a conference that sent juggernauts like the falcons, giants, panthers, etc.. the nfc has been limping for yrs, and now the window of opportunity for the vikings has slammed shut. dido for the eagles.

greene is just another writer, who spends too much time readin his own stuff. but i think he might of accidently got hold of something when he said some qbs r overrated. :confused:


wow i always thought he was number 11.....isnt he?

Fiddy
07-31-2005, 09:28 PM
wow i always thought he was number 11.....isnt he? lol, number 10 is Culpepper's ranking in the list.

Rosusu
07-31-2005, 10:00 PM
I think he is very overrated, but I want to see how he does this year without Moss. If he doesnt do good then I think he is mostly a product of the best reciever in the league. If he does well then I am willing to eat my words. I for one had him in fantasy last year and he was great, but without Moss I am not trying to get him this year.

We will see.

Grid
07-31-2005, 10:28 PM
Personally I like Culpepper and think hes about as talented a QB as there is in this league.

I think with Randy gone.. Culpepper is actually going to shine.. and hes gonna make the rookie Troy Williamson look good in the process.

WWJD
07-31-2005, 10:28 PM
I've always thought he was good..not great but definitely somebody that can win games for a team. Other than his really stupid dance after he does something well he's fun to watch. :rolleyes:

Ihategeeks
08-01-2005, 04:05 AM
Get your roll on, egh, so glad Randy is gone
I expect to see that stupid dance 50% less this year.

GoPats
08-01-2005, 09:34 AM
This may have been the dumbest article I've ever read, if it wasn't supposed to just be a farce. I can't tell, that's the scary part...

GoPats
08-01-2005, 09:35 AM
This guy lists all these good QB's as overrated but doesn't tell us who he thinks is better....weak...anyone can just pop out a list of guys and dog them.

Yeah, what Vinny said... me too.

Huge
08-01-2005, 09:53 AM
No. 3 -- Peyton Manning: He's the fantasy football king, but in the real world his Colts have a 3-5 playoff record in his seven seasons.

No. 1 -- Tom Brady: This does not mean he's a bad quarterback. He's a very good quarterback, in a perfect situation for his skills. But quarterbacks always get too much credit for team success, which is the story here. Let's see how he does this season without a great offensive coordinator.

Apparently they get too much blame for the lack of success as well.

This would be a good example to point to when others say "Well what do you know? You're just a poster on the internet. It's not like you're a sportswriter or anything.".

beerlover
08-01-2005, 12:04 PM
Culpepper to me at least follows closely on Vic's heels as one of the two most entertaining QB's in the NFL. how he ranks is immaterial, how he responds to this years changes will give us all a clearer view of his value to his team, the league and his placement within NFL's QB hierarchy.

are you ready for some football :headbang:

TopTexanFan16
08-01-2005, 03:13 PM
lol, number 10 is Culpepper's ranking in the list.

hahaha thax

Buzz
08-01-2005, 06:40 PM
I just don't think being without Moss is a big deal. Culpepper would still be top 5 in yards and top 10 in td's without his numbers.

Double Barrel
08-02-2005, 11:54 AM
Good topic for forum discussion, but a very weak article.

His top five "overrated" QB's are whack. Who is better than them? Give me something, Jerrrrrry! :wacko:

I mean, Tom Brady has THREE NFL Championship rings - THREE!!! How can he possibly be overrated? What other criteria do we use other than championships?! Who does he think would be "better" in all three of those seasons?!

This doofus would have been one to dog Joe Montana back in the day. :loser

Who is this moron anyway? I'll tell ya'....he's number 1 on Double Barrel's Top 10 Most Overrated Sports Writers list! :heh:

keyfro
08-02-2005, 08:41 PM
this guy sucks on giving reasons and examples as to why these guys are "overrated"...you want overrated i'll take michael vick...yes the guy is the most amazing athlete at the QB position today...but does that mean he is the best QB or even a good QB...if you look at his passing stats it's obvious that he isn't...and in the playoffs he's been two-sided...one great game up in green bay and a horrible one in phili...now why was the GB game good and Phili one bad...because the eagles contained him not rushed him...you saw the inept ability of mike vick as a passer in that game...only looking for one guy then wanting to run...in order to be a good or great QB in the league he's gonna have to learn to go through his check list of recievers then run

now i'm sure a lot of guys out there will argue that he's not overrated for his ability to make big plays and that's great...i'll agree he's ability to make huge plays is awesome...but it will be that ability to create something out of nothing that will shorten and eventually end his career

as far as culpepper is concerned...i think he's silly little dance is overrated...don't know why but it just rubs off on me the wrong way...i hate it...but as a QB is he overrated...maybe when it comes down to the playoffs but in the regular season no...he's as good as there is in the league

Ihategeeks
08-02-2005, 10:31 PM
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The consensus is he did fine without Randy Moss.
That may be true depending on if you want to look at how he did WITH Randy Moss.



Here is his statline without moss in 2004

10/24 Tennessee 1 TD - WIN

10/31 New York 1 TD - 2 INTS - Loss

11/08 @Indianapolis 1 TD Loss

11/14 @Green Bay 4 TD Loss

11/21 Detroit 2TD 1 INT WIN

2 and 3 Record
9 touchdowns 3 Ints 5 Games

And these were the 5 worst passing defenses in football

the first 5 games with Moss

18 TD's 3 INTs
4 wins 1 Loss

Against Philly, Chicago, Dallas, Houston, New Orleans


Is Culpepper Good? Hell yeah he is. Turnover prone, but he is still a Good QB for a verticle offense.
He was great with a healthy Moss, he was Legendary, so was Moss, they were both on a pace to break every record in the NFL. Randy would have likely scored more TD's than Jerry Rice, and Pepper would have made the race with Peyton come down to the last moment.


Without Moss? 28 might be the most you can ask from Pep this year, with a few more picks since there will be no Moss type WR that leaves his checkdowns wide open with 5 yards of space to run, or every other WR in single coverage.

Now the question is, did that defense (that was REALLY REALLY REALLY BAD) in 2004, improve enough in 2005 to account for a dramatic drop in production from the offense?

I don't think so, but alot of people do. It's not going to be just the drop in production either. It will be a new change in gameplan, more demands put on players in the offense than have never seen these demands before. Culpepper has always had a Hall of Fame WR to throw too, sometimes two. He has never had to worry about a running game because the passing game was so good. Now he needs help from the RB's , but they are not #1 RB's, they can't run on stacked defenses. None of them can be a horse. Moss Culpepper was not just the identity on offense, it was the identity of the team. Imagine if the Patroits got rid of Brady, Or Peyton didn't have Marvin. Or the Rams Lost both Holt and Bruce, The Chargers didn't have Tomlinson. This is the level of drastic change Minnesota is dealing with here. But they don't have much to fall back on except for Culpepper. Few QB's can do it on their own with nothing around them.
Brett Favre can, And the overrated Michael Vick can, Brady could to an extent on offense as long as has support on defense.

Culpeper? No one knows if he can. And his record in games without Randy Moss, makes me think he can't.


Cowart and Sharper are not as good as their name recognition on defense. The only player makers added on D are Smoot and Williams (Harris is terrible)
And they too have to bear the burdern of improving a team that couldn't stop the run or the pass.

They made some questionable decision on draft day, they picked a Raw WR who isn't a good route runner, poor out if his breaks, and doesn't catch the ball very well. He is just a burner . And Erasmus James, who can't stay on the field. But has upside if he can. 2 boom or bust reaches in the first round when better players were there to choose from.

Then, you have Mike Tice.
Some coaches might be able to overcome all this change, this guy isn't one of them

Texas Torture
08-03-2005, 06:21 PM
i just copied part of the list, someone wanted to read the entire article, so here's his top 10 [or bottom 10] :

Jerry Greene
Sports Commentary

July 25, 2005

Hey! Keep your eyes up here, mister. (And how many times have you heard that at a singles bar?)

Seriously, don't cheat and look down to see who we're naming the most overrated quarterback in the NFL today. Tease yourself, because we're talking football. So just rejoice in the idea that our lives have some meaning again. It's like we've been living in an old black-and-white sitcom, and suddenly we're in color and high definition.

Best of all, we can argue again. And let's argue about the quarterbacks, because we all love the quarterbacks. They get the biggest salaries, the best-looking girls and the sweetest endorsement deals.

Which brings us to today's topic: Most NFL quarterbacks are overrated. That's because there is something wrong with all of them, but you rarely hear the criticism as long as they are either (1) playing on winning teams or (2) racking up fantasy football points.

Our guest expert today is Sentinel NFL writer Chris Harry. His top two most overrated quarterbacks are: (1) Drew Bledsoe, because he's "a human statue;" and (2) Aaron Brooks, because of his "exasperating mistakes."

Neither is on my list. Oh, they're bums, but neither gets that much respect. I'm shooting for bigger game.

So as Michael Buffer will say at the drop of a hat: "Let's get ready to rumble!"

Cheap Seats Top 10 Most Overrated QBs

No. 10 A -- J. Feeley: Ha-ha-ha. Just kidding. Let's start over.

No. 10 -- Daunte Culpepper: It hurts to put the UCF legend on this list, especially when he's playing for the most inept head coach in the league. But if you can't get to the Super Bowl out of the NFC, something's wrong.

No. 9 -- Brian Griese: People talk about his solid season in 2004. What universe are they from?

No. 8 -- Byron Leftwich: I'm a fan, but we shouldn't still be talking about "potential" and "upside."

No. 7 -- Drew Brees: Read my lips: "One-Hit Wonder."

No. 6 -- Brett Favre: Oh, this feels sacrilegious, but Harry has him at No. 3. His 17 interceptions last season were only one less than Carson Palmer's total.

No. 5 -- Ben Roethlisberger: Harry has him at No. 4, saying "let's wait a year or two before anointing him the second coming of Terry Bradshaw." (Of course, Bradshaw was overrated, too.)

No. 4 -- Donovan McNabb: This puts me in the photo with Rush Limbaugh and Terrell Owens, but, well, he was the one who got sick in the Super Bowl. Good soup, however.

No. 3 -- Peyton Manning: He's the fantasy football king, but in the real world his Colts have a 3-5 playoff record in his seven seasons.

No. 2 -- Michael Vick: Fun to watch as long as you have no interest in getting to the Super Bowl. Come on, people, he ranked 21st in passing rating (78.1) and 26th in passing yardage (2,313) last year. That's not a great quarterback.

And who have we left out? Who is the most overrated of them all?

No. 1 -- Tom Brady: This does not mean he's a bad quarterback. He's a very good quarterback, in a perfect situation for his skills. But quarterbacks always get too much credit for team success, which is the story here. Let's see how he does this season without a great offensive coordinator.


:bomb:

GoPats
08-05-2005, 09:50 AM
This would be a good example to point to when others say "Well what do you know? You're just a poster on the internet. It's not like you're a sportswriter or anything.".

So I take it you agree with him?

I'm interested to know what, exactly, you think Brady could have done better over these past few years. Sure they've lost some games (4 in two seasons, but I'll take that). But what, specifically, is it about his play that you feel is overrated?

He doesn't throw for 300 yards a game because he doesn't have to. The Patriots have a balanced offense, an excellent defense, and are rarely playing catch-up. Yes, Brady gets a lot of credit, but it's always been that way with QBs and it always will be.

So I ask, with all due respect... tell me what it is that you think makes him overrated.

z0rpAn
08-05-2005, 09:53 AM
I agree. Plus, he still has two good widereceivers in Troy Williamson and Nate Burleson.

and Campbell, if hes still with them, is their redzone goto guy.

Ihategeeks
08-05-2005, 10:09 AM
Well, When Troy Williamson stops dropping balls in training camp you go right ahead and tell me about it.

He hasn't done anything to move up past #4 on the depth chart yet.

Huge
08-05-2005, 11:50 AM
So I take it you agree with him?

I'm interested to know what, exactly, you think Brady could have done better over these past few years. Sure they've lost some games (4 in two seasons, but I'll take that). But what, specifically, is it about his play that you feel is overrated?

He doesn't throw for 300 yards a game because he doesn't have to. The Patriots have a balanced offense, an excellent defense, and are rarely playing catch-up. Yes, Brady gets a lot of credit, but it's always been that way with QBs and it always will be.

So I ask, with all due respect... tell me what it is that you think makes him overrated.

Really? Is that how that came across? I've never been great at stating my opinion too clearly.

Basically what I was saying is that just because this guy has a medium to express his opinion to a larger audience than the casual fan, that doesn't mean his opinion holds any more merit than a casual fan.

That any better?

If I thought Brady was overrated (and quite honestly, I do...but not for reasons this guy listed), you'd have seen a much different response from me.

GoPats
08-05-2005, 02:08 PM
Really? Is that how that came across? I've never been great at stating my opinion too clearly.

Basically what I was saying is that just because this guy has a medium to express his opinion to a larger audience than the casual fan, that doesn't mean his opinion holds any more merit than a casual fan.

That any better?

If I thought Brady was overrated (and quite honestly, I do...but not for reasons this guy listed), you'd have seen a much different response from me.

Ahh, OK... I gotcha. I was trying to figure out what you meant... my bad.

I hope you took MY reply the right way too... didn't mean to sound disrespectful at all. If you ever feel like sharing your reasons, please do! I always like hearing "the other side," whether I'm on-board or not.

Cheers...

Huge
08-06-2005, 03:48 PM
My reason for thinking Brady is "overrated": He's not one of the best QBs ever. I have heard far too many people claim him to be just that simply because he has 3 rings. When somebody puts you on a level where you're not, you're "overrated".

Doesn't mean he's not a good QB. I think he's pretty damn good. But it's like saying Nolan Ryan is the greatest pitcher of all time. He has some numbers that support that. But there are way more numbers that don't. So if somebody says he's the greatest ever, then even the great Nolan Ryan is being "overrated".

Huge
08-06-2005, 03:52 PM
There's a thread with a comparison between Manning and Brady somewhere in the archives of this board. The "overrated" belief is broken down there a lot better than what I just did.

Huge
08-06-2005, 05:02 PM
Yeah, that's the one. I really need to get educated on the "Search" function.

Texas Torture
08-08-2005, 10:30 PM
'If I'm a Dallas fan, why am I even looking at this site?'

because i've looked, and this is the better site- more customizable.

Huge
08-09-2005, 07:44 AM
Did I miss something? :confused: