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throwANDREtheBALL
07-23-2005, 01:57 PM
The other post was the most UNDERRATED (sorry I got the title screwed up)


Which Houston Texan deserves all the heat that they take?


My vote is for Mckinney.

I'd even feel better seeing Mark Bruener snapping the ball.

TEXANS84
07-23-2005, 03:41 PM
A poll bashing our own players?

No thank you.

Bayern
07-23-2005, 06:15 PM
Bad taste, half of the guys on this list do not deserve any criticism at all, much less your somewhat insulting taglines. Support your team man. :brickwall

Wolf
07-23-2005, 07:42 PM
I actually believe you have to take the bad from the good.. I was going to pick Mckinney or walker because of the returns on the am't of money they make. thinking about it, Walker was coming off an injury last season and has actually made the probowl.. McKinney to me is the weakest link of the line..yet he is actually a guard playing center. I like Billy Miller,but I think as fans we lost sight on how good he is.. 1st year with us, Billy was everything,yet we had no AJ or the OL was actually worse than it is now, so Billy was the bright spot.. Actual, starting NFL talent around the offense (no offense to the guys that started back then ,but they were considered lower tier talent around the NFL, and yes they busted their butts as much as the next guy) and then we see why other teams didn't want Billy.
Thanks to the salary cap era.
If I had to chose overall who the Texans might cut next year based on salary/return value (I don't like to use the overrated term)...We will be looking for a center and/or DL ..if we find one of better value..we will upgrade speed and youth. IMO

is that PC correct? :confused:

TexansTrueFan
07-23-2005, 09:16 PM
well were getting youthful on all sides.

Porky
07-23-2005, 11:34 PM
I would consider taking Payne off the list. Other than that, everyone on there is open to critism. My vote went to the Bull Fighter, Mckinney. He is WAY overrated. He would be my starter at Waterboy and Lion Killer.

Big78
07-24-2005, 12:14 AM
I would consider taking Payne off the list. Other than that, everyone on there is open to critism. My vote went to the Bull Fighter, Mckinney. He is WAY overrated. He would be my starter at Waterboy and Lion Killer.
how can u say that someone is overrated when almost everybody in this entire forum agrees that he sucks.

Porky
07-24-2005, 06:22 PM
how can u say that someone is overrated when almost everybody in this entire forum agrees that he sucks.

Believe it or not, neither most of the media nor the vast majority of Texans fans are not members of this forum. :dangit:

DocBar
07-24-2005, 07:30 PM
I see a lot of votes for McKinney on here, but I don't remember anyone EVER saying he is or was one of the better centers(or O-linemen for that matter) in the league. McKinney is average at best and has been reported as such. I voted for G-Skunk because he IS highly regarded as an impact player but his production has fallen off for various reasons. I think he'll pick it up some this year with TJ pushing him. I think the other 2 most overrated are already gone (Foreman and Sharper).

ATX
07-24-2005, 10:32 PM
i see you didn't put antwan peek's name on there. as much as i like the guy, i think he's a bit overrated as far as his accomplishment's as of yet.

HJam72
07-24-2005, 11:09 PM
I think Peek's production is low because he's not been given much opportunity yet--maybe he didn't deserve it, or maybe he did. I think he did, but it doesn't matter now because he's gonna get it. One thing about Peek is that he's going to get to the QB. Even if nobody else on this team can, HE WILL. As far as Foreman and Sharper, I'd say Foreman was pretty overrated, yeah. I'm not going to miss him, I don't think. Sharper, on the other hand, was both an excellent run stopper and, unlike Foreman, adequate at pass coverage when he had to do it. Maybe he was overrated a little, because of maybe losing a step or something, but not very much. I'm not upset that Sharper's gone, but I will miss him.

El Tejano
07-25-2005, 02:12 PM
A poll bashing our own players?

No thank you.
Amen! Some of you ought to be ashamed of yourself. You can call me a :homer: but this is the team we have and I am standing by them.

Youngstown Colt
07-25-2005, 02:18 PM
Since only one of the guys on this list has ever been hyped to the point of being overrated even a small bit, Carr has to be the vote.

Jwwillis
07-25-2005, 08:04 PM
Since only one of the guys on this list has ever been hyped to the point of being overrated even a small bit, Carr has to be the vote.

Walker hasnt been hyped?? And he is my vote.

Youngstown Colt
07-26-2005, 08:52 PM
Walker hasnt been hyped?? And he is my vote.IDK, maybe in the Houston media, but many people probably don't even know he plays for the Texans.

Yankee_In_TX
07-27-2005, 11:33 AM
The other post was the most UNDERRATED (sorry I got the title screwed up)


Which Houston Texan deserves all the heat that they take?


My vote is for Mckinney.

I'd even feel better seeing Mark Bruener snapping the ball.

IMO, 'who deserves the heat they take' and being over rated are two different things?

over rated = everyone says you're great but you stink
deserves heat = everyone says you suck and you do

*thinking out loud*

throwANDREtheBALL
07-27-2005, 05:56 PM
OK tell me both then...........I didn't want to say tell me who you think sucks the most..........since it would offend quite a few members.

Go ahead, tell us who you love to hate the most then

throwANDREtheBALL
07-27-2005, 06:07 PM
"Why put Carr, Seth and Billy up there?" Quote from Hulk 75


I put those guys on because they seemed to take a lot of heat from people on the MB.

I like Carr and think he just needs a good offensive co-ordinator who knows how to fix the protection.

Billy seems to get bashed quite a bit, for his non-blocking and non-getting open ability........maybe its just cuz he hasn't had the playing time ?

Seth is on their cuz I've seen him called overrated since he's injured every season..........he's a great player when he's on the field.

I didn't vote for any of these guys, I just wanted to put the guys up who I'd seen get bashed the most on this board, and figure out who the consensus is.

I'm glad that Mckinney and Palmer are ahead in the voting..........I think most TRUE Texans Fans would agree that we need upgrades over both of those guys.

TRUE FANS - tell it how it really is
TRUE FANS - know who the REAL weak links are

Overalls
07-27-2005, 08:07 PM
I was going to go Sheila Jackson Lee, but she wasn't on the list.

outofhnd
07-27-2005, 11:13 PM
I voted but for who I feel deserves the heat/criticism and to me its chris palmer and the sudden change to a zone blocking scheme last year. Not only that the personnel switch to put Wand at LT after 0 starts the year before and switching his blocking assignments. Not to mention rotating tight ends in running and passing situations. But we still came away with a better record than the year before.

But if you want the Most overrated texan it is Tony Boselli hands down. He was the cornerstone of our O line and he didnt even play a single down. All he did was retire. Where is his name? or How about jermaine Ill retire for a year then return and play for the jags next year lewis? or Matt I cant even wrap up a christmas present so ill dive at the guy Stevens?

stephen1
07-27-2005, 11:19 PM
none of these players were ever considered to be great, so how can they be overrated?

Jwwillis
07-27-2005, 11:20 PM
I voted but for who I feel deserves the heat/criticism and to me its chris palmer and the sudden change to a zone blocking scheme last year. Not only that the personnel switch to put Wand at LT after 0 starts the year before and switching his blocking assignments. Not to mention rotating tight ends in running and passing situations. But we still came away with a better record than the year before.

But if you want the Most overrated texan it is Tony Boselli hands down. He was the cornerstone of our O line and he didnt even play a single down. All he did was retire. Where is his name? or How about jermaine Ill retire for a year then return and play for the jags next year lewis? or Matt I cant even wrap up a christmas present so ill dive at the guy Stevens?

Sudden change to zone blocking? Were they suppose to ease into it somehow? Im pretty sure most are considering CURRENT players and this is why you dont see any of your favorites.

geofb
07-28-2005, 07:34 AM
none of these players were ever considered to be great, so how can they be overrated?

If you are starting for an NFL team, this is pretty highly rated all by itself. If the player is not playing up to the level required of players starting in the NFL, then they are overrated.

Yankee_In_TX
07-28-2005, 12:42 PM
OK tell me both then...........I didn't want to say tell me who you think sucks the most..........since it would offend quite a few members.

Go ahead, tell us who you love to hate the most then

I don't think we have anyone who deserves heat. I don't think we have any super stars who aren't performing, or any people whose antics/off the field conduct deserve it.

Hmmm, players who are praised but don't deserve it.... (ie over rated).

Sure, I guess, AJ and DD.

AJ isn't consistant enough, but, how often do we try to toss him the short ball?

DD was hurt too much last year. But, hey, when he did play, he made up for his missed games.

IMO your question applies to people like TO, Ricky Williams, Ken Griffie, JR., Deion Sanders, Eli Manning, etc, etc...

Youngstown Colt
07-28-2005, 12:43 PM
none of these players were ever considered to be great, so how can they be overrated?thank you.

You are not overrrated just because you start, you become overrated when everyone talks about you, and like I've said before, the only one on this list that is held in high regard is Carr.

geofb
07-28-2005, 12:53 PM
You are not overrrated just because you start

Are you the authority on English language semantics? You interpret "overrated" the way you want and others can interpret "overrated" how they want. Seems fair.

Bubbajwp
07-28-2005, 02:41 PM
You dont have to be considered a great player to be overated. You can be an overated backup or coach. :confused:

Youngstown Colt
07-28-2005, 03:13 PM
But someone has to rate you highly. Who is rating McKinney or really anyone on this list highly?

Say "who's not that good" but overrated doesn't apply to 90% of the people on this list.

Yankee_In_TX
07-28-2005, 03:17 PM
You dont have to be considered a great player to be overated. You can be an overated backup or coach. :confused:
LOL, wouldn't 'overrated back up' be an oxy moron?

beerlover
07-28-2005, 03:35 PM
leadership is the most important factor hence the franchise David Carr deserving or not will have to step up to the plate this year & hit a home run. The offensive line, his biggest excuse to date, should be improved (how much we'll have to wait and see). Palmer has, alledgedly, adjusted his playcalling book with shorter developing routes, while Casserly was unwilling to gamble with the 1st pick & take Barron or trade for Pace he has improved the teams overall talent level. you can't criticize someone who is injured or plays hurt (Payne & Walker). Seth Wand did a decent job his first year & McKinney and Miller are jouneymen types at best.

the big three in this scenario have to be Carr, Capers & Palmer. one of these Texans will shake out this year or all three will rise to the challenge of what is expected and what they are capable of doing.

BullPenAndy
07-28-2005, 04:09 PM
JoeTexan

throwANDREtheBALL
07-31-2005, 04:34 PM
"But someone has to rate you highly. Who is rating McKinney or really anyone on this list highly?

Say "who's not that good" but overrated doesn't apply to 90% of the people on this list."

Quote from Youngstown Colt

OK buddy, if you want to get technical lets do it. Here's the definition of overrated.

Overrated - To rate too highly; overestimate the merits of.

So when I read magazines that say Steve Mckinney is a good pass blocking Center, or he's successfully made the transition from guard to center, or he's a strong player that never gets pushed around......well, all of those statements would be wrong, therefore overrating the aforementioned player.

The definition of overrated never said the player has to be expected to be a pro bowl player every year. Come on just think about it. Even the Underrated label can go to Pro Bowl players and obviously backups......So to with the overrated label. It can be put on any player that is rated too highly by any person or persons. You don't have to be a first round pick to get the overrated label. It helps, but in no way does the player have to be known by every person on the planet in order to get the overrated label.

Its like if you still don't understand the meaning of overrated after I make this long explanation then I guess I overestimated the merits of your intelligence. Or you could say that when I started this thread, I overrated your ability to understand English Terms.

Bubbajwp
07-31-2005, 04:50 PM
I couldnt agree more :highfive:

throwANDREtheBALL
07-31-2005, 04:55 PM
That was you ----> :highfive: <-------That was me

WE AGREE!

:dance:

Youngstown Colt
07-31-2005, 08:06 PM
"But someone has to rate you highly. Who is rating McKinney or really anyone on this list highly?

Say "who's not that good" but overrated doesn't apply to 90% of the people on this list."

Quote from Youngstown Colt

OK buddy, if you want to get technical lets do it. Here's the definition of overrated.

Overrated - To rate too highly; overestimate the merits of.

So when I read magazines that say Steve Mckinney is a good pass blocking Center, or he's successfully made the transition from guard to center, or he's a strong player that never gets pushed around......well, all of those statements would be wrong, therefore overrating the aforementioned player.

The definition of overrated never said the player has to be expected to be a pro bowl player every year. Come on just think about it. Even the Underrated label can go to Pro Bowl players and obviously backups......So to with the overrated label. It can be put on any player that is rated too highly by any person or persons. You don't have to be a first round pick to get the overrated label. It helps, but in no way does the player have to be known by every person on the planet in order to get the overrated label.

Its like if you still don't understand the meaning of overrated after I make this long explanation then I guess I overestimated the merits of your intelligence. Or you could say that when I started this thread, I overrated your ability to understand English Terms.Haha, so if you saw something in one magazine once, he's overrated? Alright, I'm done.

throwANDREtheBALL
07-31-2005, 10:18 PM
No, that would be three different remarks from 3 different magazines......I've been reading rave reviews of a lot of guys from many teams for many years, of players that seem to be the weak links of their teams, but, the media just keeps on singing their praises.

Mckinney for one was given a B+ grade in one mag. And in another was praised as being one of two good players on a weak line. Another said that his pass-blocking was solid, but his run blocking was only adequate. I could keep going.........as well as magazines in years past......ratings on video games......but, I won't since I realize that proving my point is a lost cause on some.

And before you reply to this, think about it for awhile, make a rough copy if you have to, and try to actually prove your point this time.

:fight:

Vinny
07-31-2005, 10:31 PM
pop in the Browns game or watch him get crushed against the Bears, or any number of teams. Thats all you need to do. No need to debate 3rd party opinions...just watch the games.

WWJD
07-31-2005, 10:34 PM
Easy question! Gary Walker.

Bubbajwp
07-31-2005, 10:47 PM
The new madden has Steve Mckinney ranked an 87 which is the highest rank out of all of our offensive lineman and only one point lower than Dunta robinson and Domanick Davis. sorry colt but it doesnt seem anybody is on your side.
:deadhorse

HardCoreTxn
08-01-2005, 12:40 AM
Billy Miller