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IBleedTexans
06-17-2014, 01:02 PM
Texans Coach Bill O'Brien Names A Starting Quarterback http://vbs.cm/r0VG3X

PapaL
06-17-2014, 01:14 PM
I am shocked at this revelation! I'll be telling my grandkids about this moment in history.

:sarcasm:

Double Barrel
06-17-2014, 01:20 PM
If someone had told me a couple of years ago that Ryan Fitzpatrick would be our starter in 2014, I would have politely reminded this person to quit bogarting and respect the puff puff pass rule.

Houston Texans fan for life...but nobody said it would be easy... :texflag:

Nitrofish
06-17-2014, 01:38 PM
Let the Fitzmagic begin!

Playoffs
06-17-2014, 01:39 PM
Let the Fitzmagic begin!

http://www.nickmendola.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/fitzstarwars-253x300.png

chenjy9
06-17-2014, 01:42 PM
I threw up in my mouth a bit after hearing this. How ****ty are Keenum and Yates that they can't beat out what I consider one of the worst QB's in the league...

Nitrofish
06-17-2014, 01:56 PM
One million Keenum fans just committed suicide.

http://i60.tinypic.com/72zr0x.jpg

HOU-TEX
06-17-2014, 02:04 PM
I threw up in my mouth a bit after hearing this. How ****ty are Keenum and Yates that they can't beat out what I consider one of the worst QB's in the league...

How is this news surprising? I think the writing was on the wall when we signed him and what we had on the roster. Plus, his contract numbers. The Fitz sucks, but Keenum and Yates bring suckage to a new level.

Let's all hope our defense is top 5-7 and we can run the ball. Otherwise, we can count on a top 10 pick next year too.

chenjy9
06-17-2014, 02:07 PM
How is this news surprising? I think the writing was on the wall when we signed him and what we had on the roster. Plus, his contract numbers. The Fitz sucks, but Keenum and Yates bring suckage to a new level.

Let's all hope our defense is top 5-7 and we can run the ball. Otherwise, we can count on a top 10 pick next year too.

It's not unexpected, but I was still hoping for an early Xmas miracle. Oh well... new season motto; If we can't have a QB, you can't either! Hopefully we take out opposing QB's with huge sacks and win that way.

playa465
06-17-2014, 02:08 PM
Maybe these two:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v290/playa759/fitz-270x300_zps320a7c39.jpg

Can be our equivalent to:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v290/playa759/820f8a78-8ec2-4ecf-9011-3ffb9e3be558_zpsa390cc22.jpg

:spin:

Vance87
06-17-2014, 02:21 PM
So uh. 4-12?

htownfan32
06-17-2014, 02:22 PM
So uh. 4-12?

IMPROVEMENT!!!!

:trophy:

Double Barrel
06-17-2014, 02:29 PM
How is this news surprising? I think the writing was on the wall when we signed him and what we had on the roster. Plus, his contract numbers. The Fitz sucks, but Keenum and Yates bring suckage to a new level.

I figure Fitz getting named starter is like the proctologist appointment you make months ahead of time.

You know what's up in the back of your mind, but you don't really think about it.

Until, that is, you're sitting in the waiting room of the doctor's office...

Right now, I'm in that waiting room.


Let's all hope our defense is top 5-7 and we can run the ball. Otherwise, we can count on a top 10 pick next year too.

tbh, the defense is the only thing I'm really looking forward to with any expectation.

So uh. 4-12?

Some would spin that as 'progress'!! :bender:

Nawzer
06-17-2014, 02:44 PM
Duh! As if there was any doubt. Now on to the 3 or 4 win season we'll probably have. At least my Sundays will be more productive now.

Nitrofish
06-17-2014, 02:51 PM
To be fair, unless Keenum or Yates is cut soon, this really does not mean much. After camp, and pre season things could change. Because of injury, or getting out played. Who knows what could happen come opening day.

Malloy
06-17-2014, 02:53 PM
You've all been Fitzzled!! :)

As expected, and I have no problem with this. I actually like Fitz and I think he'll be a very good QB in the right environment. Let's hope this is the right environment :)

HOU-TEX
06-17-2014, 02:53 PM
I figure Fitz getting named starter is like the proctologist appointment you make months ahead of time.

You know what's up in the back of your mind, but you don't really think about it.

Until, that is, you're sitting in the waiting room of the doctor's office...

Right now, I'm in that waiting room.



tbh, the defense is the only thing I'm really looking forward to with any expectation.


Agreed! And props on the analogy. MSR

I'm looking forward to watching the defense too. I threw the running game in there too because it relies on the oline. I enjoy watching the play in the trenches and expect improvement from last season.

kiwitexansfan
06-17-2014, 02:57 PM
Pickspatrick!!!

I always expected this.

Fitzpatrick is the seat warmer till Savage displaces him.

Would not be surprised to see Keenum and Yates missing the 53.

maddogmrb
06-17-2014, 03:05 PM
Congrats to Ryan ... now let's hope one of the other guys (Keenum preferably) can beat him out in training camp.

FirstTexansFan
06-17-2014, 03:12 PM
I believe and have believed since we didn't take a QB in the 1st round that he'd be our starter. Where we were once Denver South, we're now New England South. I'd prefer to be Seattle or San Francisco South personally, and honestly believe the offenses those teams run are the future of the NFL. This is not what we'll see from O'Brien. I may be FirstFormerTexansFan soon :roast:

Hervoyel
06-17-2014, 03:17 PM
Did the man say that the job came with any kind of guaranteed duration?

Then I'm not worried about this.

xtruroyaltyx
06-17-2014, 03:18 PM
I'm not worried about fitz starting...

If he starts...

gwallaia
06-17-2014, 03:42 PM
This is like waking up Christmas morning and getting a pair of pajamas instead of that cool new Tyco race track.

kingtexan
06-17-2014, 03:44 PM
championship ...

Vance87
06-17-2014, 03:50 PM
This is like waking up Christmas morning and getting a pair of pajamas instead of that cool new Tyco race track.

Yeah but the race track would break after 2 uses and you'd end up hating it more than the pajamas.

Troy Chapman
06-17-2014, 03:52 PM
All this announcement does is give structure for the team for training camp. Things could change during camp once the pads go on.

chenjy9
06-17-2014, 04:13 PM
All this announcement does is give structure for the team for training camp. Things could change during camp once the pads go on.

It's still 3 words that I would never want to see in the same sentence. :overreact:

GNTLEWOLF
06-17-2014, 04:17 PM
So.....The Texans STILL don't have a starting QB. ( woulda said that no matter who was named):headhurts:

QuantumMortis
06-17-2014, 04:30 PM
We knew after the draft that outside of some miracle we’d be trudging through the Bad QB Wasteland, and now we are in it. We don’t know where this dusty road will lead, but we are in the Wasteland and hope we don’t become lost like so many teams before us.

eriadoc
06-17-2014, 04:42 PM
Hey, maybe he's good enough to help the team to 7 or 8 wins, then they miss out on the top couple QBs in the 2015 draft too. :)

False Start
06-17-2014, 04:44 PM
I figured as much. I never really doubted it.

EllisUnit
06-17-2014, 04:58 PM
Damn and to think i was having a good day, should of never logged on :kitten:

dalemurphy
06-17-2014, 05:16 PM
What is with the negative reaction? This was a foregone conclusion. What am I missing?

kingtexan
06-17-2014, 05:19 PM
What is with the negative reaction? This was a foregone conclusion. What am I missing?

^this

EllisUnit
06-17-2014, 05:20 PM
What is with the negative reaction? This was a foregone conclusion. What am I missing?

Even though i have seen a good movie with a crappy ending a million times, i always still hold on for hope of a different ending every time, its dumb but thats why !

Uncle Rico
06-17-2014, 05:35 PM
The March for Mariota begins!! I'm stoked.

Texn4life
06-17-2014, 05:40 PM
Well I'm excited!!!!! How about you guys?

:fans:

Double Barrel
06-17-2014, 05:48 PM
What is with the negative reaction? This was a foregone conclusion. What am I missing?

Did you really expect a positive reaction to Ryan Fitzpatrick being named starting QB of the Houston Texans? :um:

It is what it is, but certainly nothing to get excited about.

EllisUnit
06-17-2014, 05:51 PM
Did you really expect a positive reaction to Ryan Fitzpatrick being named starting QB of the Houston Texans? :um:

It is what it is, but certainly nothing to get excited about.

WORD, i was excited when he was with the titans and we played them because i knew it was a W. Now titans fans get to do it to us, damn the Karma :kitten:

Double Barrel
06-17-2014, 05:52 PM
WORD, i was excited when he was with the titans and we played them because i knew it was a W. Now titans fans get to do it to us, damn the Karma :kitten:

lol! you know, that thought crossed my mind, as well. :overreact:

MistaRed
06-17-2014, 05:59 PM
Mariota is overrated.

houstonspartan
06-17-2014, 06:00 PM
What is with the negative reaction? This was a foregone conclusion. What am I missing?


No s--t. This was expected. I don't get why everybody is ready to jump off the top of Chase Tower.

Texian
06-17-2014, 06:01 PM
Did you really expect a positive reaction to Ryan Fitzpatrick being named starting QB of the Houston Texans? :um:

It is what it is, but certainly nothing to get excited about.

It's about as exciting as Newton being named starter at RT.

dalemurphy
06-17-2014, 06:09 PM
Did you really expect a positive reaction to Ryan Fitzpatrick being named starting QB of the Houston Texans? :um:

It is what it is, but certainly nothing to get excited about.

The choices were made public... Yates, Keenum, Fitz, and Savage. Anyone other than Fitz at this point in the season and I would strongly question the wisdom of the coaching staff.

Double Barrel
06-17-2014, 06:14 PM
No s--t. This was expected. I don't get why everybody is ready to jump off the top of Chase Tower.

lol! Nobody is jumping from the cliff about it, and while expected, let's not act like it is anything but a mere formality on the part of the coaching staff.

Most of us are just having fun with it. Desperate times and all.

It's about as exciting as Newton being named starter at RT.

yeah, I bet we are both getting goose bumps all over just thinking about it.

6-10, here we come! :texflag:

Tolar's Ghost
06-17-2014, 06:37 PM
We'll see how long into the season Fitzpatrick remains the starter.

I give it four to five games.

Wolf
06-17-2014, 07:29 PM
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRJnXKIePt6rEACTjZWpCYCNeJQPwa3W ByrG83pJXWviRt9NyX46w

Wolf
06-17-2014, 07:37 PM
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y179/Blazeland/ryan-fitzpatrick_628.jpg




Thought this was funny

dc_txtech
06-17-2014, 07:42 PM
WORD, i was excited when he was with the titans and we played them because i knew it was a W. Now titans fans get to do it to us, damn the Karma :kitten:

I was thinking the same thing right up until we lost that stupid game to Fitz and the Tits.

steelbtexan
06-17-2014, 08:08 PM
I figure Fitz getting named starter is like the proctologist appointment you make months ahead of time.

You know what's up in the back of your mind, but you don't really think about it.

Until, that is, you're sitting in the waiting room of the doctor's office...

Right now, I'm in that waiting room.



tbh, the defense is the only thing I'm really looking forward to with any expectation.



Some would spin that as 'progress'!! :bender:

Good analogy,

Agreed about the defense

It would be progress if Savage was found to be the QB of the future. Or a QB (Mariotta/Winston) was drafted in next yrs draft.

Thorn
06-17-2014, 08:26 PM
Big deal. We all knew one of the four of them would get picked. So now we got Fitzbeard, Doc Savage, and ???? as QBs for next season. Not like half or more of this board didn't predict that.

ObsiWan
06-17-2014, 08:35 PM
http://i2.wp.com/sfbay.ca/home/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/2014-05-27-Raiders-OTA-52.jpg?resize=323%2C216
Press: Matt the Texans selected Ryan Fitzpatrick as your "successor".
Schaub: They picked WHO??
Seriously??
Well, on Sept 14th we'll see if they upgraded or not.
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I'm kinda waiting to see that game myself.

kiwitexansfan
06-17-2014, 08:50 PM
http://i2.wp.com/sfbay.ca/home/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/2014-05-27-Raiders-OTA-52.jpg?resize=323%2C216


Schaub has beard envy.

leebigeztx
06-17-2014, 08:50 PM
When Pete Carroll has competition wednesdays and says its open,he means it. O'Brien said it,but didn't mean it. At least in Minny they're saying its open comp too. Think about 2 non drafted qbs and a rookie 4th rd pick in the qb room.

leebigeztx
06-17-2014, 08:58 PM
What is with the negative reaction? This was a foregone conclusion. What am I missing?

Matt Flynn didn't get any guarantees to be the starter even though he was the highest paid qb on roster. Camp rolled around and wilson took the job.

dalemurphy
06-17-2014, 09:04 PM
When Pete Carroll has competition wednesdays and says its open,he means it. O'Brien said it,but didn't mean it. At least in Minny they're saying its open comp too. Think about 2 non drafted qbs and a rookie 4th rd pick in the qb room.

or.. how about 2 undrafted QBs and a 6th round pick... Wouldn't this QB room be a waste of time:

Kurt Warner
Jeff Garcia
Tom Brady


... just pointing out that where they were drafted has little to do with their potential and certainly it has very little to do with their ability to understand and break down information on film and participate in developing a game plan.

Texan_Bill
06-17-2014, 09:10 PM
Fitzanity!!


:gun:

dalemurphy
06-17-2014, 09:13 PM
Matt Flynn didn't get any guarantees to be the starter even though he was the highest paid qb on roster. Camp rolled around and wilson took the job.

I wasn't referring to the salaries. It seemed clear to me that Savage (and I'm very high on him) is a project... Fitzpatrick and Savage are the only two QBs on the roster that O'Brien brought in...

I think it is an overreaction to assume the competition wasn't "real". It is quite possible that Fitzpatrick was clearly the best option at this point. Also, I don't think the announcement means that Fitz will definitely start week one, but it is intended to align reps and bring some early definition to the team as they head into camp.

Number19
06-17-2014, 09:14 PM
We've made it through all but two days of OTA's. A week or so ago OB said he'd be going into TC with only 3 QB's. He said he'd be releasing a QB sometime between (then) and TC. He also said Fitz would be starting game 1. TJ had a fair shot to win the 2nd position. Case beat him out. Case closed, for now. All you have to do is pay attention.

dc_txtech
06-17-2014, 09:16 PM
When Pete Carroll has competition wednesdays and says its open,he means it. O'Brien said it,but didn't mean it. At least in Minny they're saying its open comp too. Think about 2 non drafted qbs and a rookie 4th rd pick in the qb room.

You think O'Brien didn't start the best player, I think he just flushed the biggest turd. Either way they're all turds.

Texan_Bill
06-17-2014, 09:19 PM
http://i2.wp.com/sfbay.ca/home/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/2014-05-27-Raiders-OTA-52.jpg?resize=323%2C216
Press: Matt the Texans selected Ryan Fitzpatrick as your "successor".
Schaub: They picked WHO??
Seriously??
Well, on Sept 14th we'll see if they upgraded or not.
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I'm kinda waiting to see that game myself.

Well Matt, they "picked" someone that throws less "Six Picks" than you so there's an upgrade.. Good luck being Derrick Carr's back-up!


In all seriousness, I liked Schaub. He was a professional and he went by way of the golfer that gets the yips... I'm sure he'll do fine in Oakland........... (as long as he gets home before dark) That was a joke.

Texan_Bill
06-17-2014, 09:20 PM
PS....... Matt, at your age, you should have more hair on your head than your face...

badboy
06-17-2014, 09:24 PM
Golllly, Shazaam. Surprise, surprise, surprise! signed Gomer the Pyle.

Now if Keenum just beats out Fitz in TC. One QB (yates) down two to go.

Big Lou
06-17-2014, 09:35 PM
I thought the title of the thread was "Bills name Fitz starter....", thought I clicked on the wrong forum.

TheFantasyGreek
06-17-2014, 09:41 PM
This is the latest breaking news: "Texans QB Ryan Fitzpatrick Named Starter" http://thefantasygreek.com/texans-qb-ryan-fitzpatrick-named-starter/ He's got upside with Foster and Andre there...

Texanmike02
06-17-2014, 09:43 PM
Please merge with the please delete thread.

Mike

drs23
06-17-2014, 09:50 PM
In before the merge or Mr. Many Reddots and the thread that this should be/will be in. :D

drs23
06-17-2014, 09:54 PM
PS....... Matt, at your age, you should have more hair on your head than your face...

Says who? :bat:

EllisUnit
06-17-2014, 10:05 PM
Damn i havent seen that much red since......ME once upon a time :kitten:

DBCooper
06-17-2014, 10:25 PM
I want to start a FitzMagic thread too.

DBCooper
06-17-2014, 10:28 PM
Says who? :bat:

Lord Bills

kiwitexansfan
06-17-2014, 10:33 PM
Anybody else desperate for hits on their website?

Feel free to start a thread.

C Madd
06-17-2014, 10:48 PM
PS....... Matt, at your age, you should have more hair on your head than your face...

Some of us can't help that we're starting to look like Jeff Van Gundy. :(

http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/ac1394dbdcca6a36cbf486633b129cd813095ac3/r=x404&c=534x401/local/-/media/USATODAY/USATODAY/2012/12/29/van-gundy-12-29-12-4_3.jpg

kiwitexansfan
06-17-2014, 10:54 PM
I thought the title of the thread was "Bills name Fitz starter....", thought I clicked on the wrong forum.

You weren't the only one

False Start
06-17-2014, 10:59 PM
http://i2.wp.com/sfbay.ca/home/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/2014-05-27-Raiders-OTA-52.jpg?resize=323%2C216
Press: Matt the Texans selected Ryan Fitzpatrick as your "successor".
Schaub: They picked WHO??
Seriously??
Well, on Sept 14th we'll see if they upgraded or not.
--------------
I'm kinda waiting to see that game myself.

Did he really say that?

Vance87
06-17-2014, 11:16 PM
http://www.reactiongifs.us/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/boo_this_man_half_baked.gif

KEO
06-18-2014, 12:28 AM
If "The Amish Rifle" scores a touchdown, can he do the "Electric Slide"?

leebigeztx
06-18-2014, 02:07 AM
or.. how about 2 undrafted QBs and a 6th round pick... Wouldn't this QB room be a waste of time:

Kurt Warner
Jeff Garcia
Tom Brady


... just pointing out that where they were drafted has little to do with their potential and certainly it has very little to do with their ability to understand and break down information on film and participate in developing a game plan.

What about when you have all those guys in the same room? You pointed out the exceptions. Brady had the former #1 pick in front of him. Warner had Brett Favre. Garcia came from canada,but I will give you that. None of those guys sucked in 2 other places for years,gets cut by a team that sorely needed a qb,then named the starter. So what he's the most prepared? His smarts don't translate. If they did,he wouldn't throw so many ints and mis read coverage. Point is,its not neccessary to name him the starter. He peobably looks like a hof in warmups vs air,but we know fitz is a bum.

dalemurphy
06-18-2014, 03:24 AM
What about when you have all those guys in the same room? You pointed out the exceptions. Brady had the former #1 pick in front of him. Warner had Brett Favre. Garcia came from canada,but I will give you that. None of those guys sucked in 2 other places for years,gets cut by a team that sorely needed a qb,then named the starter. So what he's the most prepared? His smarts don't translate. If they did,he wouldn't throw so many ints and mis read coverage. Point is,its not neccessary to name him the starter. He peobably looks like a hof in warmups vs air,but we know fitz is a bum.

I am a little more optimistic. Also, I believe circumstances play a large role in determining the success or failure of a QB. I have seen Fitz perform well and am hopeful that the system, coaching, talent around him this year will produce his best and most consistent season... If not, I seriously doubt OBrien will be slow to make a change.

GNTLEWOLF
06-18-2014, 07:31 AM
I am a little more optimistic. Also, I believe circumstances play a large role in determining the success or failure of a QB. I have seen Fitz perform well and am hopeful that the system, coaching, talent around him this year will produce his best and most consistent season... If not, I seriously doubt OBrien will be slow to make a change.

Yeah, but a change to what? From here, it kinda looks like Rick Smith has Obrien painted into a corner.

Marshall
06-18-2014, 07:42 AM
We knew after the draft that outside of some miracle we’d be trudging through the Bad QB Wasteland, and now we are in it. We don’t know where this dusty road will lead, but we are in the Wasteland and hope we don’t become lost like so many teams before us.

And what is worse. Not having a QB of the future and knowing it or Not having a QB of the future and NOT knowing it after wasting first round money on a backup.

Dread-Head
06-18-2014, 08:25 AM
Damn it Bill!

PapaL
06-18-2014, 08:27 AM
I thought the title of the thread was "Bills name Fitz starter....", thought I clicked on the wrong forum.

Whoa...I read the same thing. Thought it was odd as hell.

Playoffs
06-18-2014, 08:49 AM
I thought the title of the thread was "Bills name Fitz starter....", thought I clicked on the wrong forum.

Damn it Bill!

Whoa...I read the same thing. Thought it was odd as hell.

No, no..... was Belichick. :truck:

The Pencil Neck
06-18-2014, 10:30 AM
Whoa...I read the same thing. Thought it was odd as hell.

I thought someone had dredged up an old post.

:foottap:

dalemurphy
06-18-2014, 10:42 AM
Yeah, but a change to what? From here, it kinda looks like Rick Smith has Obrien painted into a corner.

This thread is about Fitz being named the starter. Why start complaining about the draft and FA? Those threads started in March, April, and May.

Texian
06-18-2014, 11:33 AM
Matt don't care, he has more money than all members on this board combined.

drs23
06-18-2014, 12:47 PM
Lord Bills

Oh yeah, what the hell was I thinking? :fingergun:

CloakNNNdagger
06-18-2014, 01:21 PM
I expect to see a good deal of batted passes from Fitz.........he still has not changed his low delivery point as noted in this new mandatory minicamp VIDEO (http://www.houstontexans.com/tv-media/videos/1st-Look-Wednesday-highlights/96e78954-1d45-4da6-adc2-c12c46d2c5b2) also. This is in contrast to Keenum's high delivery noted in this same video.

Norg
06-18-2014, 03:10 PM
dis going to be a Loooooooooonnnnnnnnnnggggg year LOL

76Texan
06-18-2014, 03:43 PM
And what is worse. Not having a QB of the future and knowing it or Not having a QB of the future and NOT knowing it after wasting first round money on a backup.

Ya ought to be used to it by now. :smiliepalm:

Playoffs
06-18-2014, 07:33 PM
Quote of the Day: (http://www.csnhouston.com/football-houston-texans/talk/minicamp-day-2-notes-posey-jackson-briles) “When I say that, I’m just saying he’s a tough guy. He plays and that’s just the way he plays. He’s the kind of guy that’s gonna get hit and get up. And as a receiver, offensive lineman, running back, anybody in the group, you feed off of that toughness. And it sort of creates your identity when that’s your leader.” – DeVier Posey explaining what he meant by saying Ryan Fitzpatrick has a “cowboy mentality”

76Texan
06-18-2014, 08:18 PM
Quote of the Day: (http://www.csnhouston.com/football-houston-texans/talk/minicamp-day-2-notes-posey-jackson-briles) “When I say that, I’m just saying he’s a tough guy. He plays and that’s just the way he plays. He’s the kind of guy that’s gonna get hit and get up. And as a receiver, offensive lineman, running back, anybody in the group, you feed off of that toughness. And it sort of creates your identity when that’s your leader.” – DeVier Posey explaining what he meant by saying Ryan Fitzpatrick has a “cowboy mentality”

I saw a clip of Fitz a little while ago, supposedly expressing himself during a game, screaming. I wasn't sure I want to post a link.
Maybe somebody was playing an April fool trick and dube the audio?
I'm guessing some wicked mind was having fun.
But with the Cowboy comment, I figure I'd provide the link for a laugh.


Buffalo Bills QB Ryan Fitzpatrick screams like a …: http://youtu.be/KO4Z4NHk4Lk


Buffalo Bills QB Ryan Fitzpatrick screams like a …: http://youtu.be/KO4Z4NHk4Lk

Dishman
06-18-2014, 08:23 PM
Matt don't care, he has more money than all members on this board combined.

And just what relevance does this have?

CloakNNNdagger
06-18-2014, 09:34 PM
Quote of the Day: (http://www.csnhouston.com/football-houston-texans/talk/minicamp-day-2-notes-posey-jackson-briles) “When I say that, I’m just saying he’s a tough guy. He plays and that’s just the way he plays. He’s the kind of guy that’s gonna get hit and get up. And as a receiver, offensive lineman, running back, anybody in the group, you feed off of that toughness. And it sort of creates your identity when that’s your leader.” – DeVier Posey explaining what he meant by saying Ryan Fitzpatrick has a “cowboy mentality”

I see......Fitzpatrick makes for a durable pinata!

Texan_Bill
06-18-2014, 09:46 PM
Damn it Bill!

Damn it Jesse!! What the hell did I have to did with it????


As an aside, YOU and I need to get together for a drink. It's been way too long my brother!

Texan_Bill
06-18-2014, 09:48 PM
I expect to see a good deal of batted passes from Fitz.........he still has not changed his low delivery point as noted in this new mandatory minicamp VIDEO (http://www.houstontexans.com/tv-media/videos/1st-Look-Wednesday-highlights/96e78954-1d45-4da6-adc2-c12c46d2c5b2) also. This is in contrast to Keenum's high delivery noted in this same video.

An over the top delivery is way better than a 3/4 or less delivery. That said, a great QB can make throws from ALL arm slots, no?

*just thinking out loud*

houstonspartan
06-18-2014, 09:48 PM
And just what relevance does this have?


Lol! None.

Playoffs
06-18-2014, 10:14 PM
An over the top delivery is way better than a 3/4 or less delivery. That said, a great QB can make throws from ALL arm slots, no?

*just thinking out loud*

Careful. Getting between Doc & Case is akin to standing between Dread and large-breasted Asian women... :ahhaha: :fingergun:

Uncle Rico
06-18-2014, 10:22 PM
Mariota is overrated.

:crazy:

michaelm
06-18-2014, 10:22 PM
Careful. Getting between Doc & Case is akin to standing between Dread and large-breasted Asian women... :ahhaha: :fingergun:

I dunno. Based on some of the comments between the two of them, Bill might actually want to be between Dread and a large-breasted Asian woman. Literally.
:kitten:

Texan4Ever
06-19-2014, 12:35 PM
WHAT IN THE HELL IS THIS????????

:kubepalm::wadepalm::vincepalm:

Did i miss the whole fair quarterback competition thing??????

Did i miss training camp????

Did i miss preseason?

How can you name fitzpatrick starter when training camp hasnt even started yet?????

That's what you call a fair quarterback competition??????????

WTF??????

:toropalm: = FOREVER.


that's what starting ryan fitzpatrick means. What's the point of even watching?


If I remember correctly BoB wanted to name a starter before going into training camp so that there may be a clear leader. I don't think Fitz will be the starter if another QB were to outperform during camp and become the clear #1.

tl;dr Just because Fritz is the starter doesn't mean he will start Day 1 of the regular season.

DBCooper
06-19-2014, 12:58 PM
WHAT IN THE HELL IS THIS????????

:kubepalm::wadepalm::vincepalm:

Did i miss the whole fair quarterback competition thing??????

Did i miss training camp????

Did i miss preseason?

How can you name fitzpatrick starter when training camp hasnt even started yet?????

That's what you call a fair quarterback competition??????????

WTF??????

:toropalm: = FOREVER.


that's what starting ryan fitzpatrick means. What's the point of even watching?

go shake your frikin head........

HOU-TEX
06-19-2014, 01:25 PM
Every time I read this Lord Bill dude's comments I think of this guy, because they're as asinine as humping a tree.

http://gifs.gifbin.com/1238512613_guy-humping-a-tree.gif

False Start
06-19-2014, 01:54 PM
Every time I read this Lord Bill dude's comments I think of this guy, because they're as asinine as humping a tree.

HA! :littlelol:

I just noticed your sig, hilarious. :bravo:

Playoffs
06-19-2014, 02:49 PM
http://gifs.gifbin.com/1238512613_guy-humping-a-tree.gif

Pretty sure that actually is him.

DBCooper
06-19-2014, 03:02 PM
Pretty sure that actually is him.

That is definitely not a 12 year old girl.

xtruroyaltyx
06-19-2014, 03:49 PM
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-N9mCHCfu_KQ/UoWN2Ev-ayI/AAAAAAAADhU/9JgTPxIj0tk/s400/fitzfloplol.gif

heymak
06-19-2014, 04:04 PM
If one QB out performs the others, pretty sure coach wont feel too bad about making a change. Plenty more time to sort it out.


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Texian
06-19-2014, 05:45 PM
Fitz being named the starter should not come as a surprise. That's BOB's guy, the one he hand picked. What I find frustrating is there were about 5-6 band aid QBs in a box to start 2014 year. Fitz was the last band aid in the box.

DBCooper
06-19-2014, 10:40 PM
how about you name a starter after you've seen them play in training camp and preseason?

whatever happened to earning it?

naming your starter before there ever was a competition is not it.

Ever heard of reps?

Interesting concept.....

badboy
06-19-2014, 10:52 PM
I expect to see a good deal of batted passes from Fitz.........he still has not changed his low delivery point as noted in this new mandatory minicamp VIDEO (http://www.houstontexans.com/tv-media/videos/1st-Look-Wednesday-highlights/96e78954-1d45-4da6-adc2-c12c46d2c5b2) also. This is in contrast to Keenum's high delivery noted in this same video.To build up Fitz' ego my sources tell me JJ is not allowed to raise his hands in practice.

steelbtexan
06-19-2014, 10:53 PM
Matt don't care, he has more money than all members on this board combined.

Wrong

I believe McNair/Rootes visit the MB occasionally.

drs23
06-20-2014, 09:11 AM
Wrong

I believe McNair/Rootes visit the MB occasionally.

Should we have a "Hello, Welcome Bob & Jamie" sticky? :kitten: :D

kingtexan
06-20-2014, 09:13 AM
Prediction ...

Fitz = second coming of Trent Dilfer.

That is all.

DBCooper
06-20-2014, 11:28 AM
training camp/preseason games > voluntary OTAs.

why name a starter?

why not wait until the actual competition then decide who has earned it.

unless of course obrien is a liar and he just wants HIS guy to get the job.

deciding who your starting quarterback is based on voluntary off season work out reps is just dumb.

He's the coach, HIS guy will always win.

The Pencil Neck
06-20-2014, 11:34 AM
training camp/preseason games > voluntary OTAs.

why name a starter?

why not wait until the actual competition then decide who has earned it.

unless of course obrien is a liar and he just wants HIS guy to get the job.

deciding who your starting quarterback is based on voluntary off season work out reps is just dumb.

1. You name the starter because it defines who's going to be getting which snaps when training camp comes.

2. You name a starter as an incentive to the guys who weren't named the starter.

3. You name a starter to reward the guy who, at this point, knows the offense the best especially if he's head and shoulders above the other guys.

There are a lot of other reasons he may have named the starter going into camp.

But the main thing is that OB has been working with this group of guys for a while now and if he feels it's time to name the starter, then that's what he should do. Just because the starter has been named that doesn't mean that the competition is over.

Mr teX
06-20-2014, 11:41 AM
training camp/preseason games > voluntary OTAs.

why name a starter?

why not wait until the actual competition then decide who has earned it.

unless of course obrien is a liar and he just wants HIS guy to get the job.

deciding who your starting quarterback is based on voluntary off season work out reps is just dumb.

something tells me you'd still be bitchin' if Fitz was still named the starter over Keenum after training camp and preseason.

This is now 2 different coaching regimes thus far who have labeled him back up material. How about this novel idea....maybe.........just maybe Keenum aint as good as you think he is.

Obviously, B'OB...and Kubiak before him don't think Keenum has shown enough to warrant being considered as a potential long time starter in this league. Maybe things change after TC and PS....Maybe this was a ploy to get Keenum to raise his game...maybe Keenum beats Fitz out after TC & PS..Regardless of what happens, you need to stop acting like Keenum is Rodney Dangerfield. He's getting a fair shot to show what he's got...He ain't delivering to the level he needs to.

TheRealJoker
06-20-2014, 11:46 AM
something tells me you'd still be bitchin' if Fitz was still named the starter over Keenum after training camp and preseason.

This is now 2 different coaching regimes thus far who have labeled him back up material. How about this novel idea....maybe.........just maybe Keenum aint as good as you think he is.

Obviously, B'OB...and Kubiak before him don't think Keenum has shown enough to warrant being considered as a potential long time starter in this league. Maybe things change after TC and PS....Maybe this was a ploy to get Keenum to raise his game...maybe Keenum beats Fitz out after TC & PS..Regardless of what happens, you need to stop acting like Keenum is Rodney Dangerfield. He's getting a fair shot to show what he's got...He ain't delivering to the level he needs to.


This. For an undrafted quarterback Keenum has had ample opportunity to show he can be the answer at QB.

The Pencil Neck
06-20-2014, 11:56 AM
1. that's not what obrien sounded like when he first was talking about it. when he first started talking about this, he was all fair competition, having to earn it, everybody will get a fair and equal shot. With him naming a starter before training camp even starts, he sounds just like gary kubiak.

FULL OF SH*T.

2. Wouldnt it be better incentive if the job hasnt been given already and it was up in the air? Your explanation sounds good at first glance but in essence its the COMPLETE OPPOSITE.

The fact that you named a starter BEFORE any real competition shows you are playing favorites and basically kills actual competition and motivation to win the starting job since the other two qbs know you are favoring fitzpatrick.

What do you think is greater incentive? That your coach hasnt decided who the starter is and that anybody of the 3 can win it?

or naming one starter before any real competition started and saying to those those other guys hey beat this guy i named started and you'll have to do it with less reps, less reps with the first team. less everything since obrien named fitzpatrick a starter already.


3. You reward the guy who has earned the job through actual competition. NOt because of seniority which is what this move basically signifies. This is a typical gary kubiak move.

Naming fitzpatrick as your starter meanss the other two guys competing for that spot are fighting an uphill battle. Its basically a rigged competition from here on out.

Everything you're saying is based on the idea that there has been no competition up to this point and that now there will be no serious competition from this point on.

Both of those points are wrong.

As to incentive, lots of people respond really well to being challenged. By naming Fitzpatrick the starter going into training camp, he's challenging Case Keenum and Tom Savage. Do they have to do more with less? Yes. That's their challenge. If they're any good, they will.

Mr teX
06-20-2014, 12:17 PM
1. that's not what obrien sounded like when he first was talking about it. when he first started talking about this, he was all fair competition, having to earn it, everybody will get a fair and equal shot. With him naming a starter before training camp even starts, he sounds just like gary kubiak.

FULL OF SH*T.

2. Wouldnt it be better incentive if the job hasnt been given already and it was up in the air? Your explanation sounds good at first glance but in essence its the COMPLETE OPPOSITE.

The fact that you named a starter BEFORE any real competition shows you are playing favorites and basically kills actual competition and motivation to win the starting job since the other two qbs know you are favoring fitzpatrick.

What do you think is greater incentive? That your coach hasnt decided who the starter is and that anybody of the 3 can win it?

or naming one starter before any real competition started and saying to those those other guys hey beat this guy i named started and you'll have to do it with less reps, less reps with the first team. less everything since obrien named fitzpatrick a starter already.


3. You reward the guy who has earned the job through actual competition. NOt because of seniority which is what this move basically signifies. This is a typical gary kubiak move.

Naming fitzpatrick as your starter meanss the other two guys competing for that spot are fighting an uphill battle. Its basically a rigged competition from here on out.

If you're a competitor......which i'm sure Case is, none of what you're saying here matters. You think Case has just shut it down since B'OB has named Fitz the starter? Seriously doubt it. Tom Brady has carved out a HOF career due to a ginormous chip on his shoulder...A chip that was created on his draft day and 1 that systematically grew everyday he wasn't named the starter in NE. So while you're in here whining about what's the greater incentive for Case, Fitz being named the starter could be the best thing that ever happens to him and his career if he is to ultimately be successful.

Nitrofish
06-20-2014, 12:35 PM
not enough to name a starter. reps vs nobody comapared to reps vs actual competition where people are going after you is totally different.

being from harvard and book smart doesnt necessarily equate to being smart on the field. fitzpatrick's entire career is evidence of that.

as for the incentive part, naming fitzpatrick as starter is not challenging keenum or savage. obrien is basically undercutting them and rigging the competition for fitzpatrick.

i cant believe you people cant see that.

With all due respect, I think there is tape on Keenum and Fitz to see what happens under pressure, and you can pretend all you want that Keenum is good under pressure, but we all know he is not. At least Fitzpatrick has demonstrated he can either get rid of it, or take a sack without losing 20 yards.

Why is it you think Keenum deserves anything more than he has gotten? Why is it you continue to make excuses just because Keenum connected on some nice deep throws? Do you think the team can go deep every play?

Sometimes the little extra push (not being named starter) is all you need to drive you to work harder, study longer, and get better. If Keenum cannot handle the adversity of not being named the starter, he has no business as the starting QB.

I highly doubt Keenum views the opportunity to win the starting job is as dire as you do. There is a LONG way to go before opening day, and anything could happen between now and then.

Personally I do not think Keenum's problems are related to physical limitations, but rather the limitation is between his ears. That is something that cannot be coached out of you IMO.

DX-TEX
06-20-2014, 12:42 PM
If you're a competitor......which i'm sure Case is, none of what you're saying here matters. You think Case has just shut it down since B'OB has named Fitz the starter? Seriously doubt it. Tom Brady has carved out a HOF career due to a ginormous chip on his shoulder...A chip that was created on his draft day and 1 that systematically grew everyday he wasn't named the starter in NE. So while you're in here whining about what's the greater incentive for Case, Fitz being named the starter could be the best thing that ever happens to him and his career if he is to ultimately be successful.

http://necessaryandpropergovt.files.wordpress.com/2013/07/nail-on-the-head.png?w=500

chenjy9
06-20-2014, 01:48 PM
I wish people would stop quoting Lord Bills. It makes the ignore function useless. :(

Marshall
06-20-2014, 01:50 PM
Ya ought to be used to it by now. :smiliepalm:

I'd rather have the best defense than a great QB with no way to stop the other guy.

Marshall
06-20-2014, 01:56 PM
WHAT IN THE HELL IS THIS????????

:kubepalm::wadepalm::vincepalm:

Did i miss the whole fair quarterback competition thing??????

Did i miss training camp????

Did i miss preseason?

How can you name fitzpatrick starter when training camp hasnt even started yet?????

That's what you call a fair quarterback competition??????????

WTF??????

:toropalm: = FOREVER.


that's what starting ryan fitzpatrick means. What's the point of even watching?

The Starter FOR NOW means he gets the majority of reps in TC, not during the season. But he has the inside track to BEGIN THIS SEASON! But if you watch the NFL for any length of time you know that this week's starter is as secure as your money under a Demoncrat.

Marshall
06-20-2014, 02:02 PM
not enough to name a starter. reps vs nobody comapared to reps vs actual competition where people are going after you is totally different.

being from harvard and book smart doesnt necessarily equate to being smart on the field. fitzpatrick's entire career is evidence of that.

as for the incentive part, naming fitzpatrick as starter is not challenging keenum or savage. obrien is basically undercutting them and rigging the competition for fitzpatrick.

i cant believe you people cant see that.

Perhaps we've been watching football a bit longer.

Enjoy being the smartest guy in every room while you can. When you get a little experience under your belt you will understand how much you don't know and how much of what you think you know is dead wrong.

Marshall
06-20-2014, 02:05 PM
I wish people would stop quoting Lord Bills. It makes the ignore function useless. :(

Oops! Too late.

Marshall
06-20-2014, 02:32 PM
No s--t. This was expected. I don't get why everybody is ready to jump off the top of Chase Tower.

Excuse me for being in a time warp, but is this Chase Tower just a new name for the old Transco Tower? Every building I knew has been renamed.

Oh! It's the old Texas Commerce Bank Building.

And the old Transco Tower is now Williams Tower.

Who can keep up?

dalemurphy
06-20-2014, 04:21 PM
not enough to name a starter. reps vs nobody comapared to reps vs actual competition where people are going after you is totally different.

being from harvard and book smart doesnt necessarily equate to being smart on the field. fitzpatrick's entire career is evidence of that.

as for the incentive part, naming fitzpatrick as starter is not challenging keenum or savage. obrien is basically undercutting them and rigging the competition for fitzpatrick.

i cant believe you people cant see that.

Based on whose criteria? yours?... How can you possibly say that the coaching staff did not gather enough information the past few weeks to have some clarity heading into training camp? What possible motivation would O'Brien have to cheat the better QB out of playing time? He's trying to put together the best roster and put them in the best situation to succeed... He's not tied to any of these guys.

Playoffs
06-21-2014, 11:14 AM
Brian T. Smith ‏@ChronBrianSmith
Recurring criticism of Fitzpatrick by analysts: Too much of a gunslinger with not enough of an arm.

#Titans radio analyst/ex-Oilers safety Blaine Bishop on Ryan Fitzpatrick: "I called him ‘Pickpatrick,' because he was really inconsistent."

Since #Texans' Ryan Fitzpatrick entered #NFL in 2005, 32 quarterbacks have started at least 50 games. Fitzpatrick's rankings among 32 QBs:

Yards per attempt (31 out of 32), passer rating (28), losses (tied for 28), wins (26), yards per game played (24), interceptions (22).


Definition of insanity...? :truck:

CloakNNNdagger
06-21-2014, 04:06 PM
Brian T. Smith ‏@ChronBrianSmith



Definition of insanity...? :truck:

Bears out my opinion that, after 10 years Fitzpatrick is who he is.....a hard-working book smart Harvard graduate, whose college brain never quite developed a close attachment to his arm. :tiphat:

Vance87
06-21-2014, 04:47 PM
I wish people would stop quoting Lord Bills. It makes the ignore function useless. :(

Don't teach people to quote LB's posts, teach LB not to post.

dalemurphy
06-21-2014, 05:02 PM
Bears out my opinion that, after 10 years Fitzpatrick is who he is.....a hard-working book smart Harvard graduate, whose college brain never quite developed a close attachment to his arm. :tiphat:

The hope isn't in Fitzpatrick becoming a different person. The hope is in the coaching staff, knowing who he is, creating a game plan and making small adjustments in his game, which afford him greater success and most important- team success.

I think fans underestimate the impact circumstances have on a QBs success (or lack of)... Remember also, Fitzpatrick played at a level for long enough to convince the Bills to sign him to a very large deal. The question is this: can O'Brien and company create an environment that allows him to sustain that level of performance over the course of 16 games or was that 6 game span simply an aberration? If you look at his 2010 season, Fitzpatrick played darn good football most of that season with a pretty poor surrounding cast. Simply eliminating his final game of the season (vs. NE), Fitzpatrick TD/Int ration = 23/12.

Mr teX
06-21-2014, 05:05 PM
Brian T. Smith ‏@ChronBrianSmith

Definition of insanity...? :truck:

I just think he was in situations where they asked him to do too much is all....Basically he's a more mobile Schaub. Serviceable as long as you don't put the game on his shoulders. You think back on those Bills teams, those Cincy teams that Titan team, not much to work with at any of those stops. I think if we get enough help around him, we'll be fine with him as a stop gap guy...I could even see a scenario where we could make it to the playoffs with him. Are we winning the SB with him at qb though? of course not, but I don't think he's as bad as his numbers might indicate.

bayoudreamn
06-21-2014, 07:26 PM
Brian T. Smith ‏@ChronBrianSmith



Definition of insanity...? :truck:

What that tells me is that he's a career backup with significant playing time who has out performed a number of starters in some key areas.....

....in other words, if you need a stop gap until you get a young player ready, here's an option. Furthermore, watch some tape and consider the teams he was on. He's no hall of famer......but he's a decent ex-flamer.:kitten:

Playoffs
06-21-2014, 07:46 PM
Bears out my opinion that, after 10 years Fitzpatrick is who he is.....a hard-working book smart Harvard graduate, whose college brain never quite developed a close attachment to his arm. :tiphat:

What if OB can coach him into top-half, 12th-16th out of 32, QB for 2014?

Now that would be something.

CloakNNNdagger
06-21-2014, 08:29 PM
What if OB can coach him into top-half, 12th-16th out of 32, QB for 2014?

Now that would be something.

That would be great. But you could ask the same re. Keenum.....and, if so, Keenum would definitely win the potential "upside" part of the battle.

DBCooper
06-21-2014, 08:55 PM
That would be great. But you could ask the same re. Keenum.....and, if so, Keenum would definitely win the potential "upside" part of the battle.

Why does this conversation remind me of the classic junior high banter of who's farts smell better, lol

CloakNNNdagger
06-21-2014, 09:16 PM
Why does this conversation remind me of the classic junior high banter of who's farts smell better, lol

Of course, there are those that never fart......they'll tell you that they only toot....a gentler aroma, you know.:)

badboy
06-21-2014, 09:46 PM
The biggest concern I have is INTs and that should be correctable especially with Foster and AJ and Fiedo.

ObsiWan
06-21-2014, 10:42 PM
What if OB can coach him into top-half, 12th-16th out of 32, QB for 2014?

Now that would be something.
THAT is what we're banking on??
:smiliepalm:
Romeo better whip up one hellified defense.

banned1976
06-21-2014, 10:49 PM
THAT is what we're banking on??
:smiliepalm:
Romeo better whip up one hellified defense.

That was Schaub at his best. Maybe just outside the top 10.

ObsiWan
06-22-2014, 01:09 AM
That was Schaub at his best. Maybe just outside the top 10.
And has Fitzpatrick EVER come close to that level?
What makes anyone think he will now?
:shades:

The Pencil Neck
06-22-2014, 01:17 AM
And has Fitzpatrick EVER come close to that level?
What makes anyone think he will now?
:shades:

No, he has never come close to that level.

But.

By the power of OB, he shall have a Rich Gannon-like renaissance. Granted, he hasn't been in the league as long as Rich Gannon was when he turned it around so we might be a little premature and granted, Rich Gannon only had one outstanding season and 3 moderately OK seasons... but all we need is for Fitzpatrick to be Rich Gannon during that good period for a year. Maybe two.

Will it happen?

Probably not.

But that's what the damned kool-aid is for.

:koolaid:

ObsiWan
06-22-2014, 01:48 AM
No, he has never come close to that level.

But.

By the power of OB, he shall have a Rich Gannon-like renaissance. Granted, he hasn't been in the league as long as Rich Gannon was when he turned it around so we might be a little premature and granted, Rich Gannon only had one outstanding season and 3 moderately OK seasons... but all we need is for Fitzpatrick to be Rich Gannon during that good period for a year. Maybe two.

Will it happen?

Probably not.

But that's what the damned kool-aid is for.

:koolaid:
Wait, wait...

Hit me with this...

http://thepunkeffect.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/neuralizer-men-in-black.jpg

Then repeat all that stuff you just said.

Maybe that'll work.
Kool aid alone is not enough.

CloakNNNdagger
06-22-2014, 09:14 AM
The biggest concern I have is INTs and that should be correctable especially with Foster and AJ and Fiedo.

Loosing the ball before thrown (fumble turnover [59 fumbles of which more than 1/2 were lost]), and having the ball loosely coming out of his hand as he throws his pass (interception) have been a hallmark of his career. Those type of stats can account single-handedly for a team losing a boatload of games. I'm afraid Foster, AJ and Fiedo will have no bearing on those killer factors.

Playoffs
06-22-2014, 09:26 AM
What if OB can coach him into top-half, 12th-16th out of 32, QB for 2014? Now that would be something.

That would be great. But you could ask the same re. Keenum...

FitzMagic has a 10 year record of poor QB'ing -- a turnaround of that magnitude would be the equivalent of re-floating the Titanic. And Keenum needs to wrest the starting job from TexBeard. :shades:

CloakNNNdagger
06-22-2014, 09:56 AM
FitzMagic has a 10 year record of poor QB'ing -- a turnaround of that magnitude would be the equivalent of re-floating the Titanic. And Keenum needs to wrest the starting job from TexBeard. :shades:


If I didn't make it clear by the wording of my post, that's exactly how I feel about it.....and I believe there is a very good chance of that happening.

Playoffs
06-22-2014, 10:25 AM
"They can win games with him," said Charley Casserly, an NFL Network analyst and former Texans general manager. "The question is, can he discipline himself? … Could Fitzpatrick get them to 8-8? Sure. Could he get them better than that? Well, he has to play better than he's played in his career."

"He's a gunslinger," Casserly said. "He'll put it in some tough spots. And sometimes it'll get there and sometimes it won't."

"He believed more in the strength of his arm than what he really had," said Bishop, a Titans radio analyst. "You were like, 'Well, he should just throw that out of bounds.' He had no shot and he'd jump and throw the ball and try to squeeze a pass in there, like a deep out or a comeback."

"If he's in the right system, he can be pretty effective," Bishop said. "But there's some part of me that thinks he thinks more of his ability, and he always will go back to that at some point. That's what hurt him in Buffalo and that's what hurt him with the Titans."

"Bill is one of the best in the business at handling quarterbacks and play-calling," said Greg Cosell, NFL Films senior producer.

"I don't think in a perfect world this is where they want to be," Casserly said. "You'd like to have a more sure thing at quarterback, with the concept that, if we've got everybody here we can be pretty good and this division is takeable. But it didn't work out that way, because the quarterback just didn't surface."
http://www.houstonchronicle.com/sports/texans/article/Fitzpatrick-fits-Texans-brains-and-brawn-identity-5570308.php?cmpid=twitter-premium&t=95ab5deb5dd8ff4dd2

CloakNNNdagger
06-22-2014, 11:25 AM
http://www.houstonchronicle.com/sports/texans/article/Fitzpatrick-fits-Texans-brains-and-brawn-identity-5570308.php?cmpid=twitter-premium&t=95ab5deb5dd8ff4dd2

there's some part of me that thinks he thinks more of his ability, and he always will go back to that at some point.

Many coaches have tried to knock this flaw out of Fitzpatrick. None have succeeded. O'brien is not taking a college QB, as he has done successfully in the past, or a rookie QB or 1 or 2 year QB and trying to mold him. He is taking a 10-year veteran QB whose innate patterns have been solidly cemented into who he is, and now trying to teach him to always pee while sitting down. It is extremely unlikely to happen.

Thorn
06-22-2014, 12:13 PM
Many coaches have tried to knock this flaw out of Fitzpatrick. None have succeeded. O'brien is not taking a college QB, as he has done successfully in the past, or a rookie QB or 1 or 2 year QB and trying to mold him. He is taking a 10-year veteran QB whose innate patterns have been solidly cemented into who he is, and now trying to teach him to always pee while sitting down. It is extremely unlikely to happen.

I agree, and I can't wait for Fitzy to lose the starting job, which he will during this season or next year's training camp at the latest. He's just a stop gap until Keenum or Savage or someone else takes his place, and that's exactly why they brought him in. The sooner he gets beat out of his job the better.

LikeMike
06-22-2014, 01:37 PM
The worst thing about naming Fitz the starter is, it kills excitement. I don't hate Fitz, I think he's solid. Not top 15 QB solid, but a guy that can get you a win. I believe with him we might win 8 games. We will be run heavy, he will have some good games and some bad games. But he promises nothing for our future.

He may give us the best chance to win now and that is what coaches want to do because their job is on the line. But it would be a major long shot to believe he gives us the chance to win big now or in the future (with him at QB). Basically everybody knows he won't be the answer (go out and prove me wrong Fitz).

I really hoped for an open camp battle. And maybe there is one. Keenum could be exciting because he still has some promise - and Savage would be exciting, though he probably isn't ready yet. But I'd be more ready to lose with Keenum or Savage than to win a little with Fitz. Maybe that makes me a bad fan...

Vance87
06-22-2014, 01:43 PM
You guys are acting like Fitz is our franchise QB. He's a stop gap and that's all.

DBCooper
06-22-2014, 01:48 PM
I am waiting for the day when no one on this board ever says the name Keenum again.

LikeMike
06-22-2014, 01:48 PM
You guys are acting like Fitz is our franchise QB. He's a stop gap and that's all.

Yeah, and there is no question about that. But he is the boring stop gap. And just having a stop gap is kinda annoying. I'd much prefer to have someone that is still developing and that you could at least have some hope in becoming a franchise QB. What use is a stop gap? Either way you look at it, he will either win not enough games (to make the playoffs or even advance in the playoffs) or too many (to get a draft spot to get your potential franchise QB).

Like I said, I could get excited about watching Keenum - finding out if he has it or not. Even if he loses, that would be exciting. I could get excited about Savage, seeing stuff that could make him a franchise QB - even if he has a really bad first year like Peyton Manning had. That would be exciting. And if neither works out, well we should have a pretty good draft pick then to go after a QB...

DX-TEX
06-22-2014, 02:02 PM
Fitz doesn't make it 6 games and then gets replaced by Savage.

Book it.

The Pencil Neck
06-22-2014, 03:00 PM
Fitz doesn't make it 6 games and then gets replaced by Savage.

Book it.

I'd even take the under on that.

Every single thing that's going on with the QBs this off-season, every word OB says and every move OB makes, every single action is performed with the intention of putting Savage on that field as soon as possible but not so soon that he's being "given" the job and not so soon that his psyche or body will be damaged.

Fitzpatrick was signed to have a book-smart guy who could learn the system and then help train Savage, even though he himself might not be able to execute it properly because he doesn't make good decisions when the bullets are flying. Fitzpatrick was named the starter for a variety of reasons: motivation, lack of pressure, bar setting.

Fitzpatrick will probably be the starter of the first pre-season game, maybe the second.

I personally expect the story in Training Camp to be how great Savage is picking things up and I expect Savage to end up taking the job sooner rather than later. Possibly even by Game 1.

:koolaid:

CloakNNNdagger
06-22-2014, 03:24 PM
I'd even take the under on that.

Every single thing that's going on with the QBs this off-season, every word OB says and every move OB makes, every single action is performed with the intention of putting Savage on that field as soon as possible but not so soon that he's being "given" the job and not so soon that his psyche or body will be damaged.

Fitzpatrick was signed to have a book-smart guy who could learn the system and then help train Savage, even though he himself might not be able to execute it properly because he doesn't make good decisions when the bullets are flying. Fitzpatrick was named the starter for a variety of reasons: motivation, lack of pressure, bar setting.

Fitzpatrick will probably be the starter of the first pre-season game, maybe the second.

I personally expect the story in Training Camp to be how great Savage is picking things up and I expect Savage to end up taking the job sooner rather than later. Possibly even by Game 1.

:koolaid:

I would doubt seriously that Savage will be starting any games before game 9 if at all this year (unless Keenum fails first). He has not come out of college as anywhere close to a polished college QB. From everything I've read, OB recognizes this and is highly unlikely to throw Savage in there, except out of "necessity."

dalemurphy
06-22-2014, 03:31 PM
1. bill obrien is in his first year. he's not gonna get fired on his first year considering how much rope kubiak got. he can totally get away with PURPOSELY TANKING this season to get another high draft pick next year. Find out what you have in keenum and savage. stop wasting everybody's time with fitzpatrick.

2. open camp battle. how many times have we heard this? Yet the coach names Fitzpatrick starter before training camp even starts.

How in the world is that even a open camp battle? You literally closed the battle by naming fitzpatrick starter before any actual battle took place.



then he's the worst stop gap they could have ever chosen.

nfl front offices are soooooooooooooooooooooo behind on the concept of tanking.

why use a stop gap that can cost you draft position by being mediocre?

You either go for it all or you plan for the future.

Playing fitzpatrick not only kills the present, it kills the future.

If you are gonna go the stop gap route, go with keenum and savage. throw both into the fire.

start keenum 8. he either steps up or stepds down and then you go with savage.

Why prolong the situation?

We are basically in the same situation that were we in with schaub last year with fitzpatrick playing schaub's role.

ITS A FREAKING WASTE OF TIME.


WOW! Have you ever played organized, competitive team sports? Tanking... really? What you are suggesting would set the organization back 10 years... to embrace a culture of losing and tell your roster that you don't believe in them. ... and for what? To end up with the 1st pick again and hope that a once in the lifetime QB is sitting there for them.

Perhaps you should stick to watching Professional Wrestling and the NBA.

Honoring Earl 34
06-22-2014, 03:39 PM
WOW! Have you ever played organized, competitive team sports? Tanking... really? What you are suggesting would set the organization back 10 years... to embrace a culture of losing and tell your roster that you don't believe in them. ... and for what? To end up with the 1st pick again and hope that a once in the lifetime QB is sitting there for them.

Perhaps you should stick to watching Professional Wrestling and the NBA.

Does Madden count after a day of Dragon Ball Z ?

Vance87
06-22-2014, 03:40 PM
lots of words

Okay, who was a better free agent QB on the market at a decent price and with his experience? Name a few.

Also, we threw Keenum into the fire last year, and we saw how that turned out. You don't just throw rookie QBs into the fray like that unless they are round 1 pick 1 can't miss amazing prospects.

Wolf
06-22-2014, 03:49 PM
and fans hearing about the team saying they are "Tanking" but still paying full price for an NFL ticket would not go over well..

Honoring Earl 34
06-22-2014, 03:53 PM
lmfaaaooo at setting back 10 years.

talk about hyperbole.

that has NEVER HAPPENED BEFORE. EVER.

did it set the colts back?

no, they got a franchise quarterback out of it.

did it set the lions back ten years going 0-16?

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL at ten years.

because the nfl is never known for quick turn arounds.

stop it.

just stop it.

you need to familiarize yourself with the concept of tanking. its not ordering your players and coaches to lose games on purpose.

i follow sports. including the nfl.

Do you?

He asked if you played anything besides PE . The Colts had Andrew Luck fall in their lap after having Manning both no brainers . Stafford hasn't exactly caught the league on fire in Detroit .

Uncle Rico
06-22-2014, 04:13 PM
Playing Fitzy is tanking, that guy is horrible!! Then a rookie gets his shot? I like that! Icing is Keenum comes in and, well does his keenum thing, exciting plays that equal losses.

March For Mariota 2015!

Honoring Earl 34
06-22-2014, 04:20 PM
tanking has always been part of sports.

again,

tanking does not equal ordering your players and coaches to lose games on purpose.

if mariota is the real deal or if there is some other qbs that OB and company like in this upcoming draft, then you "indirectly set up" your season to be able to draft said qb.


and lol at "have you played sports" question as if i say yes or no has any bearing with my post or anybody's post in here.

more like i cant argue with the subject topic so lets try to discredit his posts by asking silly questions like "have you played anything other than PE" retort.

So I'll put that down as a no .

DBCooper
06-22-2014, 04:24 PM
So I'll put that down as a no .

What sport do trolls play?

Honoring Earl 34
06-22-2014, 04:29 PM
What sport do trolls play?

http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/ZZWyW8Zr9a8/hqdefault.jpg

CloakNNNdagger
06-22-2014, 05:21 PM
A brand new regime and I'm sure that from the beginning their plan was to tank the first year. Because this approach will be so successful, I am sure that next year the rest of the NFL organizations will be clamoring to emulate the Texans, who will claim credit for the wiley strategy that has never quite been perfected by the Browns.:chef:

Playoffs
06-22-2014, 05:26 PM
http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/ZZWyW8Zr9a8/hqdefault.jpg

WTF is that...?

Video game? Cartoon?

badboy
06-22-2014, 06:37 PM
Loosing the ball before thrown (fumble turnover [59 fumbles of which more than 1/2 were lost]), and having the ball loosely coming out of his hand as he throws his pass (interception) have been a hallmark of his career. Those type of stats can account single-handedly for a team losing a boatload of games. I'm afraid Foster, AJ and Fiedo will have no bearing on those killer factors.

Yep that is what I was talking about being correctable then the other three give him short yardage targets or hand offs to keep ball safe(r). Come to think on it, Martin or someone may offer some end arounds to get ball out of Fitz' hands into a play maker's. I am just going to be optimistic, dang me.

Honoring Earl 34
06-22-2014, 07:06 PM
WTF is that...?

Video game? Cartoon?

The purple thing is Lord Bills from Dragon Ball Z .

chenjy9
06-23-2014, 02:41 AM
Can you guys PLEASE stop quoting idiots? It's making my head hurt seeing posts of someone I blocked for their stupidity.

Thorn
06-23-2014, 07:23 AM
I can't believe some of yall think the team is tanking because they've named Fitzbeard the starting QB. Get a grip folks. The Bearded One is not our future and everyone knows it. And our new coach is going to desperately try to win as many games as he can, he's not going to tank anything his first year.

As long as Fitzy hairy face doesn't swoosh away the flies in his beard while calling signals, thus sending the receivers running wrong routes, we should be a glorious middle of the road ball team. Maybe.

DX-TEX
06-23-2014, 10:18 PM
http://www.stateofthetexans.com/blog/2014/06/23/what-we-learned-about-the-texans-heading-into-the-summer/

Rolling With Fitzpatrick* (Note the asterisk)

It should be no surprise that Ryan Fitzpatrick was named the starter but that does not mean he cannot get beat out. Despite being named the starter, Fitzpatrick has to keep his job and prove he is the man for week one. The move was made to put the noise to rest over this break and move forward with a clear picture for the team.

Developing a pecking order for the offense so the team could move on was a good move for O’Brien, but Tom Savage could be a factor to watch. If Savage can put together things in a hurry, he could easily unseat Fitzpatrick for the starting job.

I feel this has been the plan all along. Add some gas to that Savage fire and get him going

CloakNNNdagger
06-23-2014, 11:09 PM
http://www.stateofthetexans.com/blog/2014/06/23/what-we-learned-about-the-texans-heading-into-the-summer/



I feel this has been the plan all along. Add some gas to that Savage fire and get him going

Although I am anxious to see how Savage develops, it's hard for me at this point to believe much about anything I read about him, especially as pertain to quickly climbing the ladder. No live bullets=weak straw man image.

EllisUnit
06-23-2014, 11:25 PM
Although I am anxious to see how Savage develops, it's hard for me at this point to believe much about anything I read about him, especially as pertain to quickly climbing the ladder. No live bullets=weak straw man image.

Yeah but i like everything i have seen from Savage, he has a strong arm, looking at college tape the kid is tough as nails. And as crazy as it sounds there is just something in his body language that screams a successful NFL QB to me.

badboy
06-23-2014, 11:26 PM
Although I am anxious to see how Savage develops, it's hard for me at this point to believe much about anything I read about him, especially as pertain to quickly climbing the ladder. No live bullets=weak straw man image.What excites me about Savage and Keenum for that matter is I have watched both play and think O'Brien can improve both enough to start. Then add improvements to OLine with X and hopefully a healthy Newton. Then throw in healthy Foster and FIedo and my heart is whomping.

The Pencil Neck
06-23-2014, 11:29 PM
Although I am anxious to see how Savage develops, it's hard for me at this point to believe much about anything I read about him, especially as pertain to quickly climbing the ladder. No live bullets=weak straw man image.

I know you disagree but it's like I said earlier in the thread, I believe the plan is to develop Savage as our QB of the Future as quickly as possible and I'm expecting to see him on the field a lot earlier than you are.

Things may not go according to plan and Savage may fall flat on his face. In which case, OB can easily wash his hands of a 4th round pick and try to solve the QB issue next year.

But I'm expecting OB to push Savage forward and roll with him.

Texecutioner
06-23-2014, 11:52 PM
Not really sure why is this is even news right now to people. Fitz has the most experience by far and training camp hasn't even started yet. There is plenty of time for someone else to unseat him. Surely he isn't that far ahead and if so then he must be playing well. People whining about the QB situation is such a waste of time because our entire roster is trash at QB. The Keenum dreams need to go away. They've ran their course. It's just silliness at this point. We aren't going to compete this season as a team that is a high scoring passing team. They're going to play with defense, intelligence, running the ball, and TO's. They don't have any other choice until the find a franchise QB.

76Texan
06-24-2014, 03:41 AM
Not really sure why is this is even news right now to people. Fitz has the most experience by far and training camp hasn't even started yet. There is plenty of time for someone else to unseat him. Surely he isn't that far ahead and if so then he must be playing well. People whining about the QB situation is such a waste of time because our entire roster is trash at QB. The Keenum dreams need to go away. They've ran their course. It's just silliness at this point. We aren't going to compete this season as a team that is a high scoring passing team. They're going to play with defense, intelligence, running the ball, and TO's. They don't have any other choice until the find a franchise QB.

I hate to remind you something Tex; hell, let me just leave it at that, 'cause I always think that you're a good guy.

maddogmrb
06-24-2014, 07:14 AM
I will be pleasantly surprised if Fitz is any more than a stop gap at QB for this team. His 10 year history suggests that is what he is, a capable backup.

I understand the excitement about Savage because he has a big arm. But, his ONLY real accomplishment as a QB to date is his ability to overthrow receivers by 10 yards. Thru the years there have been thousands of big arm QBs who never amounted to anything ... every team has had them ... just like fast WRs. It takes a lot more than a big arm to be a successful QB. Perhaps he will develop into a good QB ... I hope he does but I think it will take time. He is too raw at this point.

To me, the real hope for good QB play this year is Keenum. Of the 3, he seems to have the most upside and showed flashes of really good things last year in the midst of a pathetic season with a bad oline, no running game, poor coaching, and lousy defense and special teams. Of course, the key is that he has to learn from the many poor decisions he made and elevate his game overall. I believe he can do that but, we will see. If Keenum does elevate his game this year we can be a team that goes anywhere from 7-9 to 9-7 with significant upside for the future years. If he doesn't elevate his game and the team goes with Fitz all year then I believe we will be a 5-11 to 7-9 team with no upside for the future with him. If the team ends with Savage as #1 for any significant part of the season, then both Fitz and Keenum couldn't do the job and we will see bad QB play all year and end up anywhere from 2-14 to 4-12.

Marshall
06-24-2014, 07:25 AM
Not really sure why is this is even news right now to people. Fitz has the most experience by far and training camp hasn't even started yet. There is plenty of time for someone else to unseat him. Surely he isn't that far ahead and if so then he must be playing well. People whining about the QB situation is such a waste of time because our entire roster is trash at QB. The Keenum dreams need to go away. They've ran their course. It's just silliness at this point. We aren't going to compete this season as a team that is a high scoring passing team. They're going to play with defense, intelligence, running the ball, and TO's. They don't have any other choice until the find a franchise QB.

If your kid fell off his bike the first time he tried it out, would you have said he'll never get it and dispose of the bike? That's sort of what you're doing with Keenum.

I think we have three QB which can do an adequate job and possibly we will find one that will do a good job. But great QBs are rare, not common and they don't come around every year.

LikeMike
06-24-2014, 07:33 AM
I will be pleasantly surprised if Fitz is any more than a stop gap at QB for this team. His 10 year history suggests that is what he is, a capable backup.

I understand the excitement about Savage because he has a big arm. But, his ONLY real accomplishment as a QB to date is his ability to overthrow receivers by 10 yards. Thru the years there have been thousands of big arm QBs who never amounted to anything ... every team has had them ... just like fast WRs. It takes a lot more than a big arm to be a successful QB. Perhaps he will develop into a good QB ... I hope he does but I think it will take time. He is too raw at this point.


I don't know if you have watched Savage. In college he wasn't known for overthrowing his receivers. Actually he doesn't only have a strong arm, he also has a very accurate arm. Very few balls really got away from him.

Savages problems have nothing to do with his arm strength, accuracy or footwork (although all can and should of course improve). His problems are going through his reads fast enough and dissecting a defense.

That is what is exciting about Savage. He has the size, the strength, the accuracy, the body that can take a beating and the pocket presence of a franchise QB. He looks the part and the only thing holding him back is the mental aspect. He was out of football a long time and never played in a system longer than a year in college, so that is to be expected. Still, a lot of QBs that have it all have failed the mental aspect and thus failed in the NFL.

I am pretty sure Bill wants to know before the end of the season, if Savage can drastically improve in the mental aspect of the game. If that means Savage needs to start some games, he will start some games (if Fitz isn't really Fitzmagic), but I don't think Bill needs to see that. He can gather enough information in practice. But Bill wants to know: can Savage be our guy of the future or do I need to draft a QB in the first round?

Honoring Earl 34
06-24-2014, 07:49 AM
I don't know if you have watched Savage. In college he wasn't known for overthrowing his receivers. Actually he doesn't only have a strong arm, he also has a very accurate arm. Very few balls really got away from him.

Savages problems have nothing to do with his arm strength, accuracy or footwork (although all can and should of course improve). His problems are going through his reads fast enough and dissecting a defense.

That is what is exciting about Savage. He has the size, the strength, the accuracy, the body that can take a beating and the pocket presence of a franchise QB. He looks the part and the only thing holding him back is the mental aspect. He was out of football a long time and never played in a system longer than a year in college, so that is to be expected. Still, a lot of QBs that have it all have failed the mental aspect and thus failed in the NFL.

I am pretty sure Bill wants to know before the end of the season, if Savage can drastically improve in the mental aspect of the game. If that means Savage needs to start some games, he will start some games (if Fitz isn't really Fitzmagic), but I don't think Bill needs to see that. He can gather enough information in practice. But Bill wants to know: can Savage be our guy of the future or do I need to draft a QB in the first round?

Someone on the radio said Savage was a professional thrower of the football . That he had the touch , accuracy , and the arm strength needed to be a professional QB . It remains to be seen if he has the mental part .

Texecutioner
06-24-2014, 08:00 AM
If your kid fell off his bike the first time he tried it out, would you have said he'll never get it and dispose of the bike? That's sort of what you're doing with Keenum.

I think we have three QB which can do an adequate job and possibly we will find one that will do a good job. But great QBs are rare, not common and they don't come around every year.

What a silly analogy. Keenum had practically a half a season. I was big on his band wagon to see what he had myself but I saw it. I'm seriously starting to think that this board is the worst group of fans I've ever seen in my life at analyzing QBs. For years I heard that Yates was going to be some special player one day and that he just needed time and he had all if this potential. Some of the craziest stuff I've seen anywhere and Yates never looked good at any time. And here we are with Keenum now since he went to Houston you guys just can't let it go. I'm embarrassed for some of you at this point. Constantly clamoring for Tyler Thigpen 2.0 is about as sad as it can get especially when we just had a 2-14 team where Thigpen Jr. Couldn't squeak out one win to save his life. He is never going to be a full time starter here. I'd love to be proven wrong on that, but a meteor hitting the earth is a lot more likely at this point.Kubiak was the only chance he ever had and he got it and then eventually showed why he went undrafted. You think some of you would rather have the Texans stink as long as your hometown boys are playing here or your Sunday church coach is here. Hell, half this forum didn't give a damn how bad the Texans were as long as they had Kubiak here. They loved the coach more than they loved potential success for the team. I'm seeing the same thing with Keenum.

EllisUnit
06-24-2014, 09:56 AM
What a silly analogy. Keenum had practically a half a season. I was big on his band wagon to see what he had myself but I saw it. I'm seriously starting to think that this board is the worst group of fans I've ever seen in my life at analyzing QBs. For years I heard that Yates was going to be some special player one day and that he just needed time and he had all if this potential. Some of the craziest stuff I've seen anywhere and Yates never looked good at any time. And here we are with Keenum now since he went to Houston you guys just can't let it go. I'm embarrassed for some of you at this point. Constantly clamoring for Tyler Thigpen 2.0 is about as sad as it can get especially when we just had a 2-14 team where Thigpen Jr. Couldn't squeak out one win to save his life. He is never going to be a full time starter here. I'd love to be proven wrong on that, but a meteor hitting the earth is a lot more likely at this point.Kubiak was the only chance he ever had and he got it and then eventually showed why he went undrafted. You think some of you would rather have the Texans stink as long as your hometown boys are playing here or your Sunday church coach is here. Hell, half this forum didn't give a damn how bad the Texans were as long as they had Kubiak here. They loved the coach more than they loved potential success for the team. I'm seeing the same thing with Keenum.

To be fair though the defense was shattered when Keenum took over, he had no Foster no O.D a horrible O-Line. Let's don't pretend he was in the best of situations. He did manage to keep the games close, had the defense been worth a damn we might had one a few games. I personally think Keenum looked good considering the situation.

Hervoyel
06-24-2014, 10:06 AM
As a Keenum fan let me say that if Case can't beat Fitzpatrick out of the starting job in four preseason games and a month of training camp practices then he's not the guy. I'm not sure that Ryan Fitzpatrick has ever held anyone down on the depth chart in his entire NFL career. No one who ever amounted to anything.

There's no story until training camp happens and even then there's no new news on that non-existent story until preseason games start happening.

santo
06-24-2014, 10:22 AM
I'm still holding hope for Keenum. Things have always been tough for him, but like Hervoyel said, if Keenum can't beat Fitzpatrick, then it's time to move on and I'm ok with it.

But something tells me that he won't back down and somehow try to fight his way to win the starting job.

TheDrifter
06-24-2014, 11:29 AM
I am petitioning we rename the thread to "Just got some distrubing news about Fitzpatrick."

maddogmrb
06-24-2014, 12:25 PM
I am petitioning we rename the thread to "Just got some distrubing news about Fitzpatrick."

LOL!

thunderkyss
06-24-2014, 08:03 PM
You think back on those Bills teams, those Cincy teams that Titan team, not much to work with at any of those stops.

My memory can't be counted on for crap, but didn't he take over for Carson Palmer when Carson Palmer was a stud & they had a decent play-off team?

CloakNNNdagger
06-24-2014, 09:15 PM
My memory can't be counted on for crap, but didn't he take over for Carson Palmer when Carson Palmer was a stud & they had a decent play-off team?

That was the year that Palmer injured his throwing elbow during one of the first games of the season. Palmer sat out, then tried to come back the beginning of October but couldn't perform but as a lame-winged duck because of what several specialist finally determined to have had a virtually shredded his ulnar collateral ligament of his elbow. They ALL strongly recommended Tommy John surgery. In all the absences of Palmer that season, Fitzpatrick won the starting duties by default. In 13 games, he logged 8 TDs with 9 INTs and 38 sacks with 11 fumbles of which he lost 1/2.......ending up with a 70 QB rating leading the Bengals to a pretty pitifull 4-11-1 season.........sniffing nowhere close to a playoff birth.

steelbtexan
06-24-2014, 09:43 PM
That was the year that Palmer injured his throwing elbow during one of the first games of the season. Palmer sat out, then tried to come back the beginning of October but couldn't perform but as a lame-winged duck because of what several specialist finally determined to have had a virtually shredded his ulnar collateral ligament of his elbow. They ALL strongly recommended Tommy John surgery. In all the absences of Palmer that season, Fitzpatrick won the starting duties by default. In 13 games, he logged 8 TDs with 9 INTs and 38 sacks with 11 fumbles of which he lost 1/2.......ending up with a 70 QB rating leading the Bengals to a pretty pitifull 4-11-1 season.........sniffing nowhere close to a playoff birth.

Man,

That's some uplifting stuff there.

The Pencil Neck
06-24-2014, 11:11 PM
My memory can't be counted on for crap, but didn't he take over for Carson Palmer when Carson Palmer was a stud & they had a decent play-off team?

He went 4-7-1 that year. They didn't make the play-offs and ended up 4-11-1.

EDIT: Damn. Beat me to it.

TheDrifter
06-25-2014, 10:15 AM
He went 4-7-1 that year. They didn't make the play-offs and ended up 4-11-1.

EDIT: Damn. Beat me to it.

....so he was more successful than Palmer. :hurrah:

CloakNNNdagger
06-25-2014, 10:30 AM
....so he was more successful than Palmer. :hurrah:

That comparison may as well been drawn with Palmer playing with his throwing arm tied behind his back. :foottap:

drs23
06-25-2014, 10:47 AM
Man,

That's some uplifting stuff there.

STOKED! :crying:

beerlover
06-25-2014, 11:16 AM
I would not rule out Ryan Mallett sometime before or during TC. Two big boys playing a waiting game, trying to out wit one another, not sure who is more stubborn Bellichick or O'Brian :thinking:

Playoffs
06-25-2014, 12:00 PM
I would not rule out Ryan Mallett sometime before or during TC...

Mallett with a knee brace, was limited. Jimmy G looking okay.

QuantumMortis
06-25-2014, 12:09 PM
He went 4-7-1 that year.

So we could double our wins this year. Awesome.

EllisUnit
06-25-2014, 12:25 PM
That was the year that Palmer injured his throwing elbow during one of the first games of the season. Palmer sat out, then tried to come back the beginning of October but couldn't perform but as a lame-winged duck because of what several specialist finally determined to have had a virtually shredded his ulnar collateral ligament of his elbow. They ALL strongly recommended Tommy John surgery. In all the absences of Palmer that season, Fitzpatrick won the starting duties by default. In 13 games, he logged 8 TDs with 9 INTs and 38 sacks with 11 fumbles of which he lost 1/2.......ending up with a 70 QB rating leading the Bengals to a pretty pitifull 4-11-1 season.........sniffing nowhere close to a playoff birth.

That's almost like a sky scrapper window cleaner watching the 9/11 tapes everyday before work. Thanks doc :kitten:

CloakNNNdagger
06-25-2014, 06:23 PM
Mallett with a knee brace, was limited. Jimmy G looking okay.

When you look closely at Mallett's injury history, it seems to be somewhat concerning. Mallett transferred from Michigan to Arkansas and sat out '08 per NCAA rules. He missed the final two weeks of spring practice after dislocating his right (throwing) thumb. In early March '09, he suffered a minor left shoulder injury during spring practice. He had surgery in January '10 to tighten his left shoulder. Broke his left foot during February '10 conditioning drills. He then missed time with was believed to be a second concussion of his football career (Auburn) and a right throwing shoulder injury (Ole Miss). Last year he suffered another concussion. Now, he's suffered a mysterious left knee injury (the left knee that this already relatively immobile QB needs to push off of to drop back for a pass :kitten:).

Gives way to some thought.

TheRealJoker
06-25-2014, 06:29 PM
When you look closely at Mallett's injury history, it seems to be somewhat concerning. Mallett transferred from Michigan to Arkansas and sat out '08 per NCAA rules. He missed the final two weeks of spring practice after dislocating his right (throwing) thumb. In early March '09, he suffered a minor left shoulder injury during spring practice. He had surgery in January '10 to tighten his left shoulder. Broke his left foot during February '10 conditioning drills. He then missed time with was believed to be a second concussion of his football career (Auburn) and a right throwing shoulder injury (Ole Miss). Last year he suffered another concussion. Now, he's suffered a mysterious left knee injury (the left knee that this already relatively immobile QB needs to push off of to drop back for a pass :kitten:).

Gives way to some thought.

That is a pretty lengthy injury history for a backup qb!

ObsiWan
06-25-2014, 06:33 PM
When you look closely at Mallett's injury history, it seems to be somewhat concerning. Mallett transferred from Michigan to Arkansas and sat out '08 per NCAA rules. He missed the final two weeks of spring practice after dislocating his right (throwing) thumb. In early March '09, he suffered a minor left shoulder injury during spring practice. He had surgery in January '10 to tighten his left shoulder. Broke his left foot during February '10 conditioning drills. He then missed time with was believed to be a second concussion of his football career (Auburn) and a right throwing shoulder injury (Ole Miss). Last year he suffered another concussion. Now, he's suffered a mysterious left knee injury (the left knee that this already relatively immobile QB needs to push off of to drop back for a pass :kitten:).

Gives way to some thought.

Man!!
Your medical spy network rivals the NSA.
:spy:

beerlover
06-25-2014, 07:53 PM
Mallett with a knee brace, was limited. Jimmy G looking okay.

Edge to O'Brian.

JPPT1974
06-25-2014, 08:47 PM
You know that all could change. But for now, Ryan seems to be betting on Bill's good side.

Texan_Bill
06-25-2014, 09:33 PM
He went 4-7-1 that year. They didn't make the play-offs and ended up 4-11-1.

EDIT: Damn. Beat me to it.

....so he was more successful than Palmer. :hurrah:

YET!! Yet, has a better chance of being more successful than Matt Schaub's last season here???

Not that it would take a lot to be more successful than last season. That said, Fitz has kicked our asses a couple of times.... Maybe he can win a few for us..

After all, isn't that why they play the games???

As an aside, he'll have a future HOF receiver to throw to, aka AJ!

badboy
06-25-2014, 09:41 PM
I don't know if you have watched Savage. In college he wasn't known for overthrowing his receivers. Actually he doesn't only have a strong arm, he also has a very accurate arm. Very few balls really got away from him.

Savages problems have nothing to do with his arm strength, accuracy or footwork (although all can and should of course improve). His problems are going through his reads fast enough and dissecting a defense.

That is what is exciting about Savage. He has the size, the strength, the accuracy, the body that can take a beating and the pocket presence of a franchise QB. He looks the part and the only thing holding him back is the mental aspect. He was out of football a long time and never played in a system longer than a year in college, so that is to be expected. Still, a lot of QBs that have it all have failed the mental aspect and thus failed in the NFL.

I am pretty sure Bill wants to know before the end of the season, if Savage can drastically improve in the mental aspect of the game. If that means Savage needs to start some games, he will start some games (if Fitz isn't really Fitzmagic), but I don't think Bill needs to see that. He can gather enough information in practice. But Bill wants to know: can Savage be our guy of the future or do I need to draft a QB in the first round?Very well said and true. I would like to add that even more impressive is when he did return to football at Pittsburgh he went 13 games 389 attempts 61.2 % 2958 for 7.6 avg with 21 TDs to only 9 INTs with basically a poor Oline.

Hopefully, O'Brien will continue what Coach Chryst began with Savage.

badboy
06-25-2014, 09:49 PM
YET!! Yet, has a better chance of being more successful than Matt Schaub's last season here???

Not that it would take a lot to be more successful than last season. That said, Fitz has kicked our asses a couple of times.... Maybe he can win a few for us..

After all, isn't that why they play the games???

As an aside, he'll have a future HOF receiver to throw to, aka AJ!Yep and my question would be why did Smith and O'Brien select Fitz if he is so bad? I mean it seems like we took the best cow patty but he is still a cow patty. I don't get that.

thunderkyss
06-26-2014, 04:42 AM
You guys are acting like Fitz is our franchise QB. He's a stop gap and that's all.

Actually, I'm talking like he's a bad stop gap. A very bad stop gap.

Tj & Keenum are better stop gaps. jmo

thunderkyss
06-26-2014, 04:46 AM
Okay, who was a better free agent QB on the market at a decent price and with his experience? Name a few.



His experience is part of the problem. He's never been on a team with a winning season. He's been kicked off of three teams looking for a starting QB. I'd find it hard to believe he's won back to back games in more than one season.

Not signing a QB from this FA class would have been a better move.

revan
06-26-2014, 07:30 AM
Actually, I'm talking like he's a bad stop gap. A very bad stop gap.

Tj & Keenum are better stop gaps. jmo

Exactly. And if Keenum really wants it bad, he will work hard study the playbook, learn from his coaches and his mistakes from last year and he can become a franchise qb.

DBCooper
06-26-2014, 08:34 AM
http://hes310spring2012group9.pbworks.com/f/1329594702/Jan%20Brady.jpg

Keenum! Keenum! Keenum!

maddogmrb
06-26-2014, 08:43 AM
Savages problems have nothing to do with his arm strength, accuracy or footwork (although all can and should of course improve). His problems are going through his reads fast enough and dissecting a defense.

That is what is exciting about Savage. He has the size, the strength, the accuracy, the body that can take a beating and the pocket presence of a franchise QB. He looks the part and the only thing holding him back is the mental aspect.

If all that is true, then why in hades wasn't he the first QB taken in the draft. After all you can take the best rookie QB of any draft and say the same thing. So, something doesn't add up ... and with all the research teams do, you can't blame it on his being out of football for a year or moving to different schools. The combine and pro days will overrule that.

EllisUnit
06-26-2014, 08:59 AM
If all that is true, then why in hades wasn't he the first QB taken in the draft. After all you can take the best rookie QB of any draft and say the same thing. So, something doesn't add up ... and with all the research teams do, you can't blame it on his being out of football for a year or moving to different schools. The combine and pro days will overrule that.

Prob because he bounced around from school to school and never really had a chance to settle down. Look at his first season starting, very impressive, then look at his last with Pitt, and he was really impressive even with that horrid o-line.

And are you serious about your pro day over ruling what you have done on the field haha, there are first rounders who do not even have a pro day. So shouldn't those guys go undrafted ? That is horrible logic !

thunderkyss
06-26-2014, 08:59 AM
http://hes310spring2012group9.pbworks.com/f/1329594702/Jan%20Brady.jpg

Keenum! Keenum! Keenum!



Tj would be a better stop gap than Fitzpatrick.

Carr Bombed
06-26-2014, 09:09 AM
If all that is true, then why in hades wasn't he the first QB taken in the draft. After all you can take the best rookie QB of any draft and say the same thing. So, something doesn't add up ... and with all the research teams do, you can't blame it on his being out of football for a year or moving to different schools. The combine and pro days will overrule that.

No they won't, if combines/pro days and scouting were a exact science you wouldn't have players bust in the first and you wouldn't have late round steals. It's still just a gamble at the end of the day and with Savage's limited playing time that makes him a bigger gamble... reason why he was a mid round pick.

Carr Bombed
06-26-2014, 09:09 AM
Prob because he bounced around from school to school and never really had a chance to settle down. Look at his first season starting, very impressive, then look at his last with Pitt, and he was really impressive even with that horrid o-line.

And are you serious about your pro day over ruling what you have done on the field haha, there are first rounders who do not even have a pro day. So shouldn't those guys go undrafted ? That is horrible logic !

Beat me to it

steelbtexan
06-26-2014, 09:19 AM
Tj would be a better stop gap than Fitzpatrick.

Or Keenum

That 4 mil spent on Fitz could've been spent on a CB like Flowers or a RT/LB.

EllisUnit
06-26-2014, 09:25 AM
Or Keenum

That 4 mil spent on Fitz could've been spent on a CB like Flowers or a RT/LB.

True Dat !

maddogmrb
06-26-2014, 10:08 AM
Prob because he bounced around from school to school and never really had a chance to settle down. Look at his first season starting, very impressive, then look at his last with Pitt, and he was really impressive even with that horrid o-line.

And are you serious about your pro day over ruling what you have done on the field haha, there are first rounders who do not even have a pro day. So shouldn't those guys go undrafted ? That is horrible logic !

Yes .. I am serious ... haha .... just look at Clowney vs Jason Ankrah ..... Ankrah comes from a better football program and his on the field stats are better than Clowney's.

Don't get me wrong, I want Savage to succeed but you guys are making him to be something really special when he hasn't shown didly squat yet. I hope he turns out to be a great steal in the 4th round.

EllisUnit
06-26-2014, 10:10 AM
Yes .. I am serious ... haha .... just look at Clowney vs Jason Ankrah ..... Ankrah comes from a better football program and his on the field stats are better than Clowney's.

Don't get me wrong, I want Savage to succeed but you guys are making him to be something really special when he hasn't shown didly squat yet. I hope he turns out to be a great steal in the 4th round.

That is one example, not to mention Clowney was already picked as top 3 before his pro day.

Like i said before many many high first round picks choose not to have a pro day, so those guys should go undrafted or atleast not 1st round picks ?

maddogmrb
06-26-2014, 10:25 AM
Like i said before many many high first round picks choose not to have a pro day, so those guys should go undrafted or atleast not 1st round picks ?

I never said anything about this .... these are your words not mine ... have a nice day ...

EllisUnit
06-26-2014, 10:32 AM
I never said anything about this .... these are your words not mine ... have a nice day ...

Here is what you said

you can't blame it on his being out of football for a year or moving to different schools. The combine and pro days will overrule that.

Pro day has very little impact on where a majority of players are picked. You think he could be projected a 5th rounder, have a good PRO day and then suddenly be projected a first rounder. The lack of play time in college is why he was drafted so low, and from what he showed when he did play, had he played a full career he would of been a 1st or early 2nd rounder.

Not to mention obviously Bill saw enough in him to wait until the 5th round to take a QB

maddogmrb
06-26-2014, 10:40 AM
Here is what you said



Pro day has very little impact on where a majority of players are picked. You think he could be projected a 5th rounder, have a good PRO day and then suddenly be projected a first rounder. The lack of play time in college is why he was drafted so low, and from what he showed when he did play, had he played a full career he would of been a 1st or early 2nd rounder.

Not to mention obviously Bill saw enough in him to wait until the 5th round to take a QB

Ellis, I agree to disagree with you about the pro day ... I believe it has significant impact or they wouldn't go thru the trouble ... and I didn't say that it would make a 5th rounder a first rounder .... WHAT I DID SAY was that what many on these boards are saying about Savage applies to 1st rounders and so THEY are the ones making him sound so good.

EllisUnit
06-26-2014, 10:47 AM
Ellis, I agree to disagree with you about the pro day ... I believe it has significant impact or they wouldn't go thru the trouble ... and I didn't say that it would make a 5th rounder a first rounder .... WHAT I DID SAY was that what many on these boards are saying about Savage applies to 1st rounders and so THEY are the ones making him sound so good.

Yes a lot of us do agree had Savage played a full college career that he would of been 1st round talent, but his Pro day had little to do with where he was picked which is basically what you said.

We had the opportunity to take many QBs before him and we waited, so it is what it is. I will trust Bill knows what he's doing until i see otherwise.

kingtexan
06-26-2014, 12:25 PM
Tj would be a better stop gap than Fitzpatrick.

:wadepalm:

Hervoyel
06-26-2014, 02:08 PM
He went 4-7-1 that year. They didn't make the play-offs and ended up 4-11-1.

EDIT: Damn. Beat me to it.

So you're saying if Palmer hadn't sucked so bad with the hurt elbow Fitz was well on his way to a 8-7-1 season right?

That would have been "winning"

:kitten:

thunderkyss
06-27-2014, 05:30 AM
Don't get me wrong, I want Savage to succeed but you guys are making him to be something really special when he hasn't shown didly squat yet. I hope he turns out to be a great steal in the 4th round.

I think he's shown quite a bit considering his situation.

b0ng
06-27-2014, 02:23 PM
Actually, I'm talking like he's a bad stop gap. A very bad stop gap.

Tj & Keenum are better stop gaps. jmo

I don't like Fitzpatrick at all but to say that TJ is better than him based off of like 7 games seems a bit over the top. There's not really enough of a sample size for TJ, but he wasn't doing anything better than Fitzpatrick has done in his time on the field.

thunderkyss
06-28-2014, 01:15 AM
I don't like Fitzpatrick at all but to say that TJ is better than him based off of like 7 games seems a bit over the top. There's not really enough of a sample size for TJ, but he wasn't doing anything better than Fitzpatrick has done in his time on the field.

My opinion is based more on Fitzpatrick's sample size.

Texecutioner
06-29-2014, 03:09 PM
Honestly I just see most of these arguments in this thread as well as others that were made for Yates as so fraudulent.

All of this bashing on Fitzpatrick who has actually played well enough at one time to get an extension from the BIlls where he put up decent numbers one year on a really bad team with a lack of weapons. Fitzpatrick is no prize and only a stop gap for sure, but to see all of this whining and crying all because he is the current starter over "KEENUM" is a freaking joke that makes the intelligence of this board look bad.

If Keenum played for the Jags or the Titans and wasn't from U of H people would laugh at him as much as they have with Gabbert and other failures on those teams. People over hype this kid beyond all rationale even after he clearly showed why he wasn't drafted last season and couldn't win a game. Even after that, you guys still scream his name out as if he is your forgotten son. And then a ton of you are the same ones that laugh at VY fans from years ago and Manziel fans now. Talk about being completely obtuse to your own hypocricy. Lol!

There isn't one team in the league that wants Keenum on their roster. NOT ONE! There has never been any team in the league that acquired about Keenum. Even Kubiak didn't try to drag him with him to Baltimore. Hell, the owner had to force Kubiak to play him last season just because Schaub and Yates were so pathetic and he got his shot and couldn't squeak out one win even with several comfortable first half leads.

And you guys have the nerve to bash Fitzpatrick? Lol! We're in a stop gap year and won't have strong QB play unless Savage somehow turns into something, but I won't be surprised at all if Fitzpatrick plays serviceable under O'Brien. He is a good QB's coach and I'm pretty sure that he chose him for this roster because he is confident that he can handle a lot of the tasks that Bill has for this offense. If he named him the starter this early, I'm pretty sure that he hasn't seen squat from Baby Keenum who more than likely won't even be in the NFL within two years. I like Keenum and I rooted for him a lot last season, but he already had a lack of size which hurt his potential from the start and his poor abilities to recognize defensive schemes and to adapt to the speed of the game clearly showed why he isn't and likely will never be starter material. I can understand why some people would not want Fitzpatrick and all, but to cry about Fitz and turn around and cry for Keenum is like bad comedy.

Honoring Earl 34
06-29-2014, 03:10 PM
Honestly I just see most of these arguments in this thread as well as others that were made for Yates as so fraudulent.

All of this bashing on Fitzpatrick who has actually played well enough at one time to get an extension from the BIlls where he put up decent numbers one year on a really bad team with a lack of weapons. Fitzpatrick is no prize and only a stop gap for sure, but to see all of this whining and crying all because he is the current starter over "KEENUM" is a freaking joke that makes the intelligence of this board look bad.

If Keenum played for the Jags or the Titans and wasn't from U of H people would laugh at him as much as they have with Gabbert and other failures on those teams. People over hype this kid beyond all rationale even after he clearly showed why he wasn't drafted last season and couldn't win a game. Even after that, you guys still scream his name out as if he is your forgotten son. And then a ton of you are the same ones that laugh at VY fans from years ago and Manziel fans now. Talk about being completely obtuse to your own hypocricy. Lol!

There isn't one team in the league that wants Keenum on their roster. NOT ONE! There has never been any team in the league that asked acquired about Keenum. Hell, the owner had to force Kubiak to play him last season just because Schaub and Yates were so pathetic and he got his shot and couldn't squeak out one win even with several comfortable first half leads.

And you guys have the nerve to bash Fitzpatrick? Lol! We're in a stop gap year and won't have strong QB play unless Savage somehow turns into something, but I won't be surprised at all if Fitzpatrick plays serviceable under O'Brien. He is a good QB's coach and I'm pretty sure that he chose him for this roster because he is confident that he can handle a lot of the tasks that Bill has for this offense. If he named him the starter this early, I'm pretty sure that he hasn't seen squat from Baby Keenum who more than likely won't even be in the NFL within two years.

Tex you sell electricity ?

Texecutioner
06-29-2014, 03:15 PM
Tex you sell electricity ?

I just IM'd you.

Honoring Earl 34
06-29-2014, 03:17 PM
I just IM'd you.

Got it .

Fitz is there to hold the fort until the permanent guy reveals himself or the next one shows up .

Texecutioner
06-29-2014, 03:30 PM
Got it .

Fitz is there to hold the fort until the permanent guy reveals himself or the next one shows up .

Exactly. He isn't going to be great or flashy. We are going to be a run based offense with limited explosive plays and we'll be trying to win the ugly way. Many teams have had successful teams doing that in the past and that looks like what we'll have to do until we find a real QB.

I can understand the lack of excitement for the offense due to the QB position, but it is what it is. I just don't understand this alarming need to see Keenum out there again this season after we watched him for like 8 or 9 games last year and saw what he had. I rooted for him big time and argued on behalf of him before he got his chance and in his first few games. But by the end of the season, he did not improve. He regressed actually and maybe he still has certain potential, but not the kind of potential that would lead him to ever be a full time starter that would be a top 10 type of guy every year. I think that people who are still clawing onto that idea for dear life are suffering really ferociously from homerism for the hometown kid.

76Texan
06-29-2014, 04:28 PM
Tex, you act like there are hundred posters on here that cry and whine about and for Keenum.

From what I read, there seems to be an agreement from a good majority that Keenum has to beat out Fitz if he's ever going to amount to much of anything.

Fitz has experience on his side.
Keenum is an UDFA that was not even brought in by OB.
He faces an uphill battle to win the starting job.

Heck, at this moment, he is still battling for a spot on the roster.

Personally, I've saying that Keenum gets an Incomplete grade from me.

The NFL is a tough business.
Keenum has to show improvement to earn his keep.
I believe that he will; by how much, who knows.

barrett
06-29-2014, 05:04 PM
I want to think that OB is the next great offensive genius / mastermind QB guru guy, just like Kubiak was touted, but it's possible that there isn't that much QB talent available. Fitz could have been the best option available, period. Maybe there isn't another QB on the roster worth a damn, and if so, I expect to see more QB's brought in at least for evaluation. But it's a new regime. OB has the luxury of a rebuild, regardless of the current talent (or lack of) on the roster.

In turn, the Texans offense could be dismal. What I think we need to all be looking at from week to week at the QB position is progress. The brand that comes with OB should involve an offense that looks different from week to week, depending on who we are playing.

What I want to see on Sunday's is a QB under center who is making good adjustments, sound decisions and throwing accurate passes. I want to see schemes that take advantage of the weakness' of the individual opponents on a player by player basis. I want to see mismatches and smart schemes. Something that tells us that the coaching staff is COACHING the players and schemes WELL.

Who that guy is under center, at this stage in the process (it IS June, still) is not as significant as the guys coaching him from Monday to Saturday.

Texecutioner
06-29-2014, 06:56 PM
Tex, you act like there are hundred posters on here that cry and whine about and for Keenum.

From what I read, there seems to be an agreement from a good majority that Keenum has to beat out Fitz if he's ever going to amount to much of anything.

Fitz has experience on his side.
Keenum is an UDFA that was not even brought in by OB.
He faces an uphill battle to win the starting job.

Heck, at this moment, he is still battling for a spot on the roster.

Personally, I've saying that Keenum gets an Incomplete grade from me.

The NFL is a tough business.
Keenum has to show improvement to earn his keep.
I believe that he will; by how much, who knows.


I still see a ton of posters clamoring for Keenum. I'm sorry, but I just don't get it at this point. Not trying to sound off, but it's just crazy at this point when he played a strong role in not winning any games for like 10 straight or whatever it was when he came in. He got pulled once or twice as well. Last season a lot of us were rooting hard for the guy and saw potential. I did. It quickly dwindled though after about 4 games, and the reality is that no one around the league sees what all of these Texan fans see that are so infatuated with him. At some point this fact should ring a bell. Every year there is a market for certain back up QB's to start somewhere else or to be back up somewhere else and Keenum doesn't have any takers that are offering anything for him. Yates actually did which was a surprise and I like Keenum better than Yates. I just don't understand why certain folks can't let go of this, especially when it's pretty obvious that it isn't even going to be up for discussion any way. Keenum's days are very likely limited.

maddogmrb
06-29-2014, 07:17 PM
Texec, you are saying that if it was Tom Savage or Manziel or Borttles or Andrew Luck who went thru what Keenum did last year with no running game, a very pourous oline, bad special teams and defense and incompetent coaching that their days would be limited and they don't deserve another chance to see if they can compete with a competent team around them.

Texecutioner
06-29-2014, 07:55 PM
Texec, you are saying that if it was Tom Savage or Manziel or Borttles or Andrew Luck who went thru what Keenum did last year with no running game, a very pourous oline, bad special teams and defense and incompetent coaching that their days would be limited and they don't deserve another chance to see if they can compete with a competent team around them.

I'm not sure at all at how all of those examples of players are anywhere near comparable to Keenum from last season. Especially with the Luck reference. Luck threw a ton of picks as a rookie, but still managed to win a ton of games and had several come from behind drives to win games as a rookie. Luck was supposed to have a horrible season team wise and made that team a winner right off the bat. Keenum was the exact opposite and was worlds behind Luck from an intelligence standpoint. Luck is probably the most intelligent QB ever coming into the draft as far as the adjustments he was already making in college and the freedom his coaches gave him due to his development he already had.

The excuses for Keenum are crazy honestly. Sure he had a lot of problems on a dysfunctional team, but he also had a guy like Andre freaking Johnson to throw to and a pretty good rookie on top of that. All sorts of young players have come into this league and played well on teams that had a lot of issues. Matt Ryan made his team a winner right away despite having a lack of passing statistics as a rookie. Russel Wilson was a 3rd round pick with a very similar skill set and size to Keenum, but he had good reads on his skill players and could read defenses and continued to improve in his first year of play. Keenum simply didn't and that was the telling tale. He was just like tons of other backup QB's that come in for a small amount of time and immediately play well and then teams watch film on them and play the QB a certain way and the back up QB or the young QB doesn't respond well. That happened to Keenum and he never could figure out creative ways to counter that. Teams around the league saw what made Keenum ineffective, and he failed to adapt to how he was being schemed against. His lack of size didn't help him to overcome things either.

maddogmrb
06-29-2014, 09:27 PM
Teams around the league saw what made Keenum ineffective, and he failed to adapt to how he was being schemed against. His lack of size didn't help him to overcome things either.


Are we sure it was Keenum who didn't adapt or the coaching staff? I believe much of the problem was on the coaching staff who didn't give him what he needed to succeed. Of course, he made many mistakes and admitted so ... but can't we say that is a normal part of the learning curve? What is not a normal part is the inability of the coaching staff to adapt to what the defenses were doing.

As for his lack of size ... if you look at the photos ... his release point is right about where Savage's is. And Fitz has a history of having balls batted down.

All that said ... I just believe he deserves another chance to win the job with the new staff. If he gets a fair shot and doesn't win it ... then it is on him ... and there's nothing wrong with being a backup QB in the NFL.

steelbtexan
06-29-2014, 09:32 PM
Honestly I just see most of these arguments in this thread as well as others that were made for Yates as so fraudulent.

All of this bashing on Fitzpatrick who has actually played well enough at one time to get an extension from the BIlls where he put up decent numbers one year on a really bad team with a lack of weapons. Fitzpatrick is no prize and only a stop gap for sure, but to see all of this whining and crying all because he is the current starter over "KEENUM" is a freaking joke that makes the intelligence of this board look bad.

If Keenum played for the Jags or the Titans and wasn't from U of H people would laugh at him as much as they have with Gabbert and other failures on those teams. People over hype this kid beyond all rationale even after he clearly showed why he wasn't drafted last season and couldn't win a game. Even after that, you guys still scream his name out as if he is your forgotten son. And then a ton of you are the same ones that laugh at VY fans from years ago and Manziel fans now. Talk about being completely obtuse to your own hypocricy. Lol!

There isn't one team in the league that wants Keenum on their roster. NOT ONE! There has never been any team in the league that acquired about Keenum. Even Kubiak didn't try to drag him with him to Baltimore. Hell, the owner had to force Kubiak to play him last season just because Schaub and Yates were so pathetic and he got his shot and couldn't squeak out one win even with several comfortable first half leads.

And you guys have the nerve to bash Fitzpatrick? Lol! We're in a stop gap year and won't have strong QB play unless Savage somehow turns into something, but I won't be surprised at all if Fitzpatrick plays serviceable under O'Brien. He is a good QB's coach and I'm pretty sure that he chose him for this roster because he is confident that he can handle a lot of the tasks that Bill has for this offense. If he named him the starter this early, I'm pretty sure that he hasn't seen squat from Baby Keenum who more than likely won't even be in the NFL within two years. I like Keenum and I rooted for him a lot last season, but he already had a lack of size which hurt his potential from the start and his poor abilities to recognize defensive schemes and to adapt to the speed of the game clearly showed why he isn't and likely will never be starter material. I can understand why some people would not want Fitzpatrick and all, but to cry about Fitz and turn around and cry for Keenum is like bad comedy.

Not that I want Keenum as starting QB, but what standard did you hold Aikman to after his rookie yr?

Number19
06-29-2014, 09:41 PM
I still see a ton of posters clamoring for Keenum. I'm sorry, but I just don't get it at this point. Not trying to sound off, but it's just crazy at this point when he played a strong role in not winning any games for like 10 straight or whatever it was when he came in. He got pulled once or twice as well. Last season a lot of us were rooting hard for the guy and saw potential. I did. It quickly dwindled though after about 4 games, and the reality is that no one around the league sees what all of these Texan fans see that are so infatuated with him. At some point this fact should ring a bell. Every year there is a market for certain back up QB's to start somewhere else or to be back up somewhere else and Keenum doesn't have any takers that are offering anything for him. Yates actually did which was a surprise and I like Keenum better than Yates. I just don't understand why certain folks can't let go of this, especially when it's pretty obvious that it isn't even going to be up for discussion any way. Keenum's days are very likely limited.The thing is, OK you don't see anything in Keenum to keep him on the squad. Others see enough to believe the book is not closed on this player. The other thing is, coach OB obviously is on the side that wants to see more of Keenum and what he can do. Keenum has already passed OB's first test by beating out Yates. Now comes TC and test two. We'll see.

BigBull
06-29-2014, 10:10 PM
I still see a ton of posters clamoring for Keenum. I'm sorry, but I just don't get it at this point. Not trying to sound off, but it's just crazy at this point when he played a strong role in not winning any games for like 10 straight or whatever it was when he came in. He got pulled once or twice as well. Last season a lot of us were rooting hard for the guy and saw potential. I did. It quickly dwindled though after about 4 games, and the reality is that no one around the league sees what all of these Texan fans see that are so infatuated with him. At some point this fact should ring a bell. Every year there is a market for certain back up QB's to start somewhere else or to be back up somewhere else and Keenum doesn't have any takers that are offering anything for him. Yates actually did which was a surprise and I like Keenum better than Yates. I just don't understand why certain folks can't let go of this, especially when it's pretty obvious that it isn't even going to be up for discussion any way. Keenum's days are very likely limited.


Finally someone with sense.


Sent from the future...

badboy
06-29-2014, 10:15 PM
I want to see a QB this season that does not lose a game for us. If he wins for us that is gravy for the chicken.

kiwitexansfan
06-29-2014, 10:34 PM
Just wanted to come by to say I still think this thread is talking about Pickspatrick AKA Fitzmagic AKA the Amish Rifle being named starter for the Buffalo football franchise.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-6imXe3_n75A/Tr8jYkEnxqI/AAAAAAAAAok/xs8Sdu4-fAY/s640/Bills+Amish+Rifle+T-Shirt.jpg

Thorn
06-29-2014, 10:35 PM
We need a good QB, and we don't have one.

Next?

badboy
06-29-2014, 10:51 PM
We need a good QB, and we don't have one.

Next?fortunately we do not know that yet.